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New Zealand Aviation Thread #116  
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14846 times:

Right everyone lets kick start number -116 - 'cleared for take off runway 23R.....'

In number 115 we looked at many topics including;

* 787 updates and seating ideas
* Snow in CHC and how it effects flights
* NZ and ANA to increase code-share
* Bali flight starts
* NZ looking at Extra flights to the US
* ATR 72-600 updates
* Extra planes (77W's) to be ordered for NZ?
* JQ to take over the SIN route from Jetstar Asia.
* UA cancel IAH - AKL before they even start

and the breaking news

Also welcome back ''NZ1''

NEW CEO of ANZ from JAN 2013 is Christopher Luxon

[Edited 2012-06-19 17:28:46]

[Edited 2012-06-19 17:31:59]

[Edited 2012-06-19 17:33:35]


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14856 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
Extra planes (77W's) to be ordered for NZ?

While I hope they do, this doesn't look likely. NZ seems to be more focused on the 787 line.


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3128 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14703 times:

Two of the above bullet points:

Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
* NZ looking at Extra flights to the US

And…

Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
* UA cancel IAH - AKL before they even start

Are very closely related. As I see it, the latter is mostly what's caused the former and NZ want to make sure AA or DL dont get any ideas, particularly with QF out of the picture. But they need to watch the back door for EZ too.



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14680 times:

Are the 744s not being used on trans tasman anymore? Was looking at a flight in DEC to BNE and wanted to try get on a 744

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6405 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14590 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 3):

Not as I'm aware of.. Only when they're short/something goes tech. 77W usually goes to MEL and 772 usually goes to BNE.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinebyronicle6 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14519 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 3):

It does still seem to be operating, but very rarely. I'm also looking at flights to BNE in April and looks like its operating the morning flight on Thursdays and Saturdays during parts of April, but lots of other months looks like its not operating at all, and instead the BNE flights a mixture of 77W, 772 & A320


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5293 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14388 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 3):
Are the 744s not being used on trans tasman anymore? Was looking at a flight in DEC to BNE and wanted to try get on a 744

There is a 744 most Saturdays started last week on NZ135/136 AKL-BNE-AKL runs into September, remember there are only 2 in the fleet and they can't be everywhere although Tuesday through Friday both are usually parked at AKL. There is a few some weeks to SYD and MEL loaded through the summer schedule in between the daily SFO run making utilization quite high.

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 5):
I'm also looking at flights to BNE in April and looks like its operating the morning flight on Thursdays and Saturdays during parts of April

Thats a defualt schedule, its always says that, it may or may not actually happen.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 2):
As I see it, the latter is mostly what's caused the former and NZ want to make sure AA or DL dont get any ideas, particularly with QF out of the picture.

AKL is said to be chasing another US carrier, AA from DFW or LAX or DL from ATL or LAX??


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14102 times:

New Safety video on youtube, what do you guys think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmcFKtzcKbQ


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13989 times:

Think AA have said they won't fly to either SYD or AKL so that would only leave a bid from Delta now that could be nice? a 744 would look sexy in AKL! which is becoming a major 'SKYTEAM zone.

And WHAT is with the new safety video, ! OMG, a very big turn off! NZ are going backwards and it's starting so soon 



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13990 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 7):
New Safety video on youtube, what do you guys think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmcFKtzcKbQ

I prefer it to the current one which is a mix of the last 4 .



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6405 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13956 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 8):
a 744 would look sexy in AKL! which is becoming a major 'SKYTEAM zone.

772 would be more likely though I'd prefer a 764 myself  



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13887 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 7):
New Safety video on youtube, what do you guys think?

I don't like the last scene where a NZ 77W disappeared into the ocean off Australia.


User currently offlineA330NZ From New Zealand, joined Dec 2010, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13847 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 7):
what do you guys think?

I think it's awful. What happened to videos where they simply show you what to do in an emergency?? They did one video a little crazy - the body paint - which was still very instructional, but I think they've gotten worse and worse. I personally have to say that the nothing to hide video was the best


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13835 times:

''Passenger numbers up for Air NZ''

Air New Zealand's long-haul passenger numbers rose 4.8% in May, led by increases in the number of Kiwis departing for Asia and Australia.

The airline carried 910,000 passengers in May, up 2% from a year earlier, it said in a statement.

Christopher Luxon had this to say;

"America's performance is strong - our business across the Atlantic has increased dramatically," he said. "We are constantly looking at where best we can maximise our return for the company and how we can strengthen our existing routes."

http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/passenger-numbers-up-air-nz-4938071

is the US market really that good or is just because they have the route to themselves??!

I can only see them taking aircraft from current routes i.e PVG go to 763's ? and using it to increase the US services, or order some 77W's if the numbers are that good to read then take a risk take up the 2 options they all ready had and order one more, would make the market really good.

don't hang on and wait for the 787 which is another 2 years away!



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13805 times:

I have just seen on the Virgin America site that they are showing AirNZ as an airline partner. They show a lot of airlines as partners - Qantas, Air Pacific, Cathay, Singapore Airlines. I must have missed an announcement about AirNZ joining with them. This may just be baggage interlining, so not much of a deal, but there are some cities, like Fort Lauderdale and Dallas, where using Virgin America would be quicker than using United if United requires connections. Virgin America would be a nice alternative for flights to New York, Washington etc. I wonder if AirNZ will offer Virgin America to NZ based passengers, or is the partnership more aimed at US residents?

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7145 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13785 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 14):
I must have missed an announcement about AirNZ joining with them.

It was announced only a few days before I left New Zealand in April.

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 14):
This may just be baggage interlining

Yes to my knowledge is all it is so far


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3128 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13642 times:

So what's Rob Fyfe up to next? R&R right now but… Virgin global airline brands alignment and international BFF and smiling assasin for SRB… does anyone know?


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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4801 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 13606 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 8):
so that would only leave a bid from Delta now that could be nice? a 744 would look sexy in AKL! which is becoming a major 'SKYTEAM zone.

77L is more likely. Also would think it would be from ATL rather than LAX. But I very much doubt it, I think they are happy with SYD.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 13566 times:
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Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 15):
Quoting alangirvan (Reply 14):I must have missed an announcement about AirNZ joining with them.
It was announced only a few days before I left New Zealand in April.

Looks like I also missed it! Pity its only for baggage but since UA and NZ are close in the USA its not really surprising!

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 17):
Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 8):so that would only leave a bid from Delta now that could be nice? a 744 would look sexy in AKL! which is becoming a major 'SKYTEAM zone.
77L is more likely. Also would think it would be from ATL rather than LAX. But I very much doubt it, I think they are happy with SYD.

HA to HNL with an early morning arrival (roughly 8-10am as the new BNE service will have) with excellent connections to mainland USA?


User currently offlineBlackLabel From New Zealand, joined Jan 2008, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 13473 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 18):
Looks like I also missed it! Pity its only for baggage but since UA and NZ are close in the USA its not really surprising!

A number of NZ fares to/from the US permit travel on VX (and DL, AA, US, UA, HA ,depending on the routes). E.g. FLL-SFO-AKL with VX/NZ is shown as valid routing.


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 13295 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 13):
"America's performance is strong - our business across the Atlantic has increased dramatically," he said. "We are constantly looking at where best we can maximise our return for the company and how we can strengthen our existing routes."

http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/passenger-numbers-up-air-nz-4938071

is the US market really that good or is just because they have the route to themselves??!

The way I read it, they're talking about their Atlantic business, ie LAX-LHR



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 13260 times:

Again, these figures raise questions as to how a 763 can be more profitable on AKL-DPS than a 20% longer LAX-MAN or SFO-LHR sector.

The standard refrain seems to be that only NZ-market long-hauls are core business. But I find that naive and simplistic, just as I believe that making Pacific island online stopovers impossible on most ex-EU tickets served as a superb incentive for European and British leisure travellers to fly Emirates.

Unfortunately, the fingerprints of the outgoing CEO appear to be all over the new CEO's appointment, and I doubt that there will be any significant review of the contentious changes of the last few years.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 13177 times:

DPS only runs through to Oct, so you never know they might try another silly route after that?! but I still wonder how it's going make any money, it's aimed at outbound from New Zealand - take out all the operating cost of the flight and wonder what you will be left with !

in regards to flights across the Atlantic from LHR-LAX

at the moment you have ; 8 flights a day to fight with; (might have missed a couple) how does NZ001 compete with all off them? as we know from the LHR-HKG route that is under a lot of pressure!

AA 137
UA 935
UA 925
VS 007
VS 023
BA 279
BA 283
BA 269

And finally

NZ 001



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlineA330NZ From New Zealand, joined Dec 2010, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 13161 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 22):
how does NZ001 compete with all off them

NZ provides a quality business class product. Also, they are one of only 2 airlines on the route (please correct me if I'm wrong) with premium economy (despite the fact the leg room only suits to hobbits) and as for economy class AKA Sardine can class, I'm not too sure how that does well...


User currently offlineRichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 13155 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 22):
in regards to flights across the Atlantic from LHR-LAX

at the moment you have ; 8 flights a day to fight with; (might have missed a couple) how does NZ001 compete with all off them? as we know from the LHR-HKG route that is under a lot of pressure!

Hi

I might be a bit out of date as its a few years since I worked in the industry.

However NZ 1 as just a LHR-LAX flight was fairly easy to sell. Non-stop service to LAX, daily, with a good product. It was easier to sell sometimes than the north american carriers on the same route. Also as NZ 1 LHR-AKL this was seen as a premium way of getting to NZ. People would pay more to fly NZ to New Zealand as it was (ok incorrectly) thought of as being direct (or more direct)


LHR-HKG is a bit of a different story. Not being a daily service puts them at a disadvantage, plus the other carriers on the route offer at least what is seen to be a very good product.

Alex


25 Richcandy : VS have premium economy BA have World Traveller Plus as well and NZ. UA also used to have a sort of premium economy that at one point could only be s
26 ZK-NBT : More likely a 777 I would think. MEL and BNE has been mentioned in the past with the VA deal, DL replacing VA on MEL-LAX is plausible IMO. I'd say so
27 alangirvan : FLL-SFO-AKL would be useful for NZ residents who are taking a cruise in the Caribbean. Would be nice if VX give points in AirNZ FF.
28 koruman : The thing about TransAtlantic flights from the west coast of the USA is that so many time zones are crossed that one daily frequency is plenty. Tradit
29 A330NZ : My mistake, I was unaware that VS had a premium economy product. Thank you for the correction
30 ZKOJH : NZ goes 744 daily on the SFO route from the 28 Oct 2012 NZ008 AKL1930 – 1030SFO 744 D NZ007 SFO1930 – 0530+2AKL 744 D 28OCT12 – 09DEC12 Service
31 aerorobnz : I would argue this was the case across the longhaul network. YVR/SFO/LAX/HKG/LHR/PVG all involve long periods of downtime. Many airlines have a maxim
32 Post contains links LondonCity : It's still very much on offer. UA's version of Y+ will also feature on the 787. See details: http://www.ausbt.com.au/united-s-boe...eamliners-includi
33 777ER : NZ8/7 becoming AKL-SFO-ORD/JFK/ORD/IAH?
34 Zkpilot : Well the 744s basically don't cost NZ jack all to have sitting around anymore so its not a biggie...better to have the preferred timings. Also gives
35 aerorobnz : preferred for who, the airline or passengers?
36 Zkpilot : both. Sure there are some pax who would prefer to arrive into SFO earlier in the morning to allow earlier connections to the East Coast, but for most
37 GARUDAROD : I know this is slightly off the general topic, but there has been an ANZ B777 sitting in Las Vegas since June 17th. Any ideas why its here so long? I
38 aerorobnz : You were correct, an Air New Zealand organised package charter, I thought the packages sold were for 5 nights - but I didn't pay much attention. The
39 ZKSUJ : That probably would'nt work well as NZ doesnt have the 5th freedom rights to make it ork. I doubt they could fill a 744 (or even a 777 or 763 for tha
40 ZK-NBT : Thats 7th or 8th freedom carrying domestic PAX which they simply wouldn't ever be allowed to do. From LAX they could have extended NZ6 to somewhere b
41 ZKSUJ : Oh my bad. Point is though, If QF struggled to fill a 332 (with feed from AKL, MEL, SYD & BNE) , a 744 would be an overkill for NZ from AKL
42 ZK-NBT : QF run a 744 again now though, go figure really. They seem to do ok up front and in the hold to JFK. The 332 was just J and Y and the 744 no longer h
43 aerokiwi : What would be great would be if NZ offered a reasonable option of AKL-West Coast-East Coast-Europe (and vice versa) in combination with partner airlin
44 alangirvan : The Qantas service to New York has been a hard one for Qantas. They started it with 747s, and then switched to A330s, which may have been the right si
45 brad330 : Hi All, Does anybody know where I can find information on the amount of passengers carried on each air route for domestic NZ operations? Cheers, Brad
46 Post contains images sunrisevalley : My view is that NYC is a market as good or better than LAX. About all LAX has is Disney and Universal Studios.The population within 100 mile radius o
47 Post contains links macilree : Brad, there is nothing publicly available on pax numbers by route. When we deregulated the domestic air transport market in the 1980s the Ministry of
48 macilree : In the example given it would require eight freedom rights to be exchanged for Air New Zealand to carry domestic passengers within the USA. The USA h
49 MillwallSean : I just wonder why we see so much speculation on two stop routes? Wasnt this just what NZ said they wouldn't start more of in the future. Or did I miss
50 Post contains links byronicle6 : Wikipedia also has a page on the busiest NZ airports by passengers numbers for the 2011 calendar year but im not entirely sure how reliable the data
51 Post contains links ZKOJH : Good signs from the China market, one area is working right! ''Chinese visitors rocketing at Auckland airport'' Auckland International Airport, which
52 Post contains links ZKOJH : Also whilst were getting some really rubbish weather here in Beijing, in New Zealand this happens '''Loud bang' as plane struck by lightning - passeng
53 NZ107 : I'd say it's more related to the fact that CZ started operations here than the strength of NZ's own China services.
54 777ER : While heading to the runway at WLG around 4.30pm today I noticed the Star Alliance A320 being towed to the NZ MX hanger. It was originally parked at a
55 Mr AirNZ : The Wellington airport company recently introduced a policy where they charge airlines a fee if they remain parked at a gate beyond a specific time.
56 NZ107 : No wonder why WLG looks so dead half the time, especially the international side!
57 Zkpilot : Well that is just silly if the gates are not needed. It doesn't cost anything to have an aircraft parked up at a gate.
58 aerorobnz : yes true - in downtime it seems silly, I understand why they have started it now though. It encourages airlines to turn their aircraft around quicker
59 Zkpilot : I'm not saying don't do that if its busy, all I'm saying is that if it is quiet and isn't affecting anyone whatsoever then there is no point in movin
60 motorhussy : Just a thought, is AKL-CPT possible with the 789, once NZ has ETOPS 360 clearance, or is this not possible directly over Antarctica? And if it is, how
61 NZ107 : I thought Australia (and CASA rules) was more of an issue because it'd probably be flying through Australian airspace at some point.. Or is it only a
62 gemuser : Looking at the GC mapper I don't think Australian airspace is the problem. I don't know about NZL but AUS requires special approval for operations be
63 cchan : Why CPT and not JNB? Captonians are used to changing planes at JNB, whereas residents from Jo'burg rarely go to CPT to catch an international flight.
64 texan : Even under 330 EDTO this couldn't be done directly. You would need a more northerly routing toward Kerguelen Island. This should also keep you away f
65 777ER : I fully agree during the quiet times that its crazy to move an aircraft if the gate isnt required for another aircraft. It seems NZ, DJ and QF have t
66 texan : Even then, as long as the operator has ANZA privileges, it shouldn't be an issue. Texan
67 aerorobnz : looks to have been ZK-NCL according to flightradar.
68 byronicle6 : was ZK-NCL Good to hear loads are good on DPS flights, especially in J where people on here thought they were in a lot of trouble selling those seats
69 NZ107 : Can you explain what these privileges are? And I take it that NZ would be exempt from CASA's ETOPS/equivalent restrictions, even though it goes close
70 koruman : Of course Business loads to Bali are good: it's only 25% dearer than Economy, and 1/3 of what is charged on the same aircraft on the 300 km longer fli
71 aerorobnz : and there are lots of people who have enough airpoints from their credit cards from their groceries and fuel bills to pay for such a minor increase a
72 Post contains links ZKOJH : 2 new stories today for our followers ; ''Queenstown Airport drops international departure fee'' In an effort to improve the passenger experience, Que
73 ZK-NBT : I always thought QF135 which currently leaves MEL at 0600 was to early just for mainly O/D traffic since MEL doesn't have International connections t
74 Post contains links NZ107 : http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/20...boeing-737-200-exits-nz-skies.html A great little article on the last 737-200 serving New Zealand skies; which
75 ZKOJH : ''Jetstream back on Air NZ Link services'' VH-OTH is destined to become ZK-VAH. The Air New Zealand website indicates that the aircraft is going to be
76 TheCommodore : Your correct, but it does give the airport operators, another avenue to raise revenue, so why not !
77 NZ107 : Because it's completely unnecessary and potentially creates more inefficiencies/costs in the moving of aircraft when they could just as easily stay p
78 sqb7e : Hey Sorry if this has been mentioned previously but have always been curious as to how CI are doing out of AKL?
79 motorhussy : Wellington Airport is so revenue focused they're putting up barrier arms to stop pick-ups in the drop-off area.
80 Post contains images NZ107 : Oh well, glad I don't live there Even worse how the buses and ticketing systems are also owned by the same parent.
81 777ER : Apparantly you get 10mins free in the pick up parking area? Could never understand why the road beside the car park is two lanes heading south till t
82 cchan : It used to be that way, not sure if it still is. From memory, the price lists at the car park entrances don't show that. I will make sure I utilise t
83 TheCommodore : I agree that's its unnecessary. But the days of Government ownership are well and truly over. And its a sad fact that airports becoming privatized, m
84 NZ107 : I'm sure having some planes parked in the area which is seen most by people driving in from the airport is better than none; by which they seem to se
85 TheCommodore : Do you honestly think, that the average Joe Blow driving past wellington airport, seeing that the gates are empty, thinks about long haul routs, or f
86 777ER : Wellington getting long haul flights one day is frequently talked about in the media.
87 sunrisevalley : Rather it is monopolies both public and private where market forces cannot exercise any control.
88 kiwiandrew : Lots of things get talked about in the media, including UFO's , EK flying to WLG, NZ starting longhaul ex WLG and the world peace, but I wouldn't hol
89 aerokiwi : Yeah I've done this in the past when I've had the time adn been based in Welly. Leaving the car there over the weekend isn't a problem, though I gues
90 ZKOJH : if long haul did come to WLG and I use the word 'IF' ! the likes of fly-scoot/ Air Asia X etc could have a go, but NZ would only go for flights out of
91 kiwiandrew : I also have fond memories of the -200s. They have been such an important part of New Zealand's aviation history. I wonder how many of us had our firs
92 xiaotung : NZ would only go for AKL not even CHC. CHC-LAX was axed shortly after Rob Fyfe became CEO. The only long haul flights to CHC from NRT/KIX are driven
93 aerorobnz : My flight last saturday certainly didn't stop in CHC, but I see that it is in the schedules. Mon,Tue,Sat 6:30p Narita Intl, Tokyo (NRT) 1 10:00a+1 Ch
94 nzrich : Well if Air Asia X can not make CHC work then WLG has no chance
95 ZK-NBT : Hmm, stink I never flew an NZ 732 or any 732 for that matter. Only 3 weekly NRT flights in the NZ summer only.
96 cchan : My impression has always been that it is for the convenience for Japanese package tours that they start their journey in the South Island and return
97 NZ107 : Give it a stop in SYD/MEL and you could have a chance... Push the prices down so more people can afford it. And voila, WLG has a widebody service con
98 xiaotung : Correct but I always think it's strange. I wonder how many people going to AKL avoid these flights that stop in CHC. Or if NZ force them to change pl
99 cchan : Next to none probably. NZ has a monopoly on Japan-AKL, and if one needs to travel on a certain day, be it stopping at CHC or not, one has to get on t
100 PA515 : Mid 1969 for me. The early morning HLZ-WLG F27 was cancelled as fog prevented arrival of the positioning flight from AKL. Bus to AKL and 737-219 to W
101 PA515 : The CHC-AKL sector of NRT-CHC-AKL has also been used for CHC-PER pax, avoiding the AKL domestic terminal. Not sure if it still is. PA515
102 777ER : What I was replying to was comment #85 about the average Joe Bloggs not thinking about empty gates and long haul flights. Wellington residents DO tal
103 Post contains images HLZCPH : We stopped in CHC on our way back from NRT a few years back. Was not a big deal for us and good to have a walk about the new (then) terminal area aft
104 NZ107 : I'd even be happy to see an Air NZ retrojet..
105 ZKSUJ : I'm pretty sure that WLG can't support a widebody for a long haul flight with any sort of useful economical load. Runway is too short. I remember min
106 Post contains links PA515 : The Dec 76 / Jan 77 NAC Timetable had a daily 732 WLG-HLZ 1010/1100, HLZ-WLG 1135/1225. Not sure when the early morning HLZ-WLG 732 flight commenced,
107 Post contains images kiwiandrew : I did that once, it was amazing
108 zkojq : Is the CHC-AKL sector bookable for domestic passengers? Nothing against 737s, but I'd rather fly the leg on a 772 than a 733.
109 NZ107 : I rang up and tried a couple of years back.. And was denied..
110 cchan : I went on the 772 flight as a domestic passenger, but that was more than 5 years ago.
111 aerohottie : I believe this is a common myth that has been discredited multiple times, but seems to be constantly repeated (particularly by folks from AKL) as if
112 Mr AirNZ : If Air Asia couldn't make London work, even without the earthquakes there really wasn't a s**t show in hell of making Christchurch work. Long haul lo
113 Post contains links motorhussy : Wellington Airport is trying to convince airlines and the flying public that while that may be the case now, with the advent of next-gen aircraft (pa
114 cchan : I seriously doubt if any airline would put WLG in their priority list for their 787 or 350 utilisation. If WLG ever gets long hual flights, it would
115 aerokiwi : I think I remember seeing that inthe old NZ timetable booklets. Akin to DUD-IVC I guess. An NAC 737 or a red/orange liveried NZ 737 would be fantasti
116 MillwallSean : Been discredited by whom? Wellington interest groups? Id say that as long as Wellington airport cant convince an airline (and by all means they are t
117 Mortyman : An Air New Zealand All Black B777 300 is on it's way to Rarotonga, Cook Islands, according to Cook islands facebookpage. Is the demand really that big
118 Richcandy : Just really agreeing with you. Air Asia had many problems with their London route. 1. They never really got their marketing right. Many people in the
119 cchan : Probably a once off thing, but from experience traveling to RAR around this time of the year in previous years, I wouldn't be surprised they could fi
120 NZ107 : School holidays down here. This is peak season for the Islands when the weather is cold in New Zealand and people want to get away. The 77W may other
121 TheCommodore : Would it possibly be going on to LAX ??
122 aerorobnz : No, likely just the standard AKL-RAR-AKL NZ46/45 rotation, potentially it could be used AKL-LAX-LHR NZ2 later on tonight, but not being used as the w
123 ZKSUJ : Would be interesting to see the figures when you can get them. I know the WLG Runway is approx 2000m, and not all of it can be used when calculating
124 Mortyman : Yes the Cook islands seem to become more and more populare and unerstandably so, - I was there both in 2006 and 2010 and what a wonderful and friendl
125 sunrisevalley : . This doesn't answer your question but a A332 would be limited to about a 200t TOW for 6300ft runway length. If this length is useable with passenger
126 cchan : Judging from the large increase in the presence of Australian tourists on RAR since the route has started, and that NZ now runs the SYD-RAR all year
127 ZKSUJ : If that is the case then that is my point (as I said a guess-timation). Im not questioning if there is demand for a long haul service out of welly, b
128 ZK-NBT : The 772 is scheduled to RAR 2-3 weekly year round.
129 NZ107 : Emirates seem to do ok out of CHC though, yet their service is a one stop to BKK. I wouldn't be surprised if they did start some flight to WLG if the
130 A330NZ : My family all avoid the EK flight from Christchurch, but I've had friends that have flown it, and apparently it's awful because it stops twice just t
131 byronicle6 : Is it not possible to connect to the A380 AKL originating flight (EK413) non-stop to DXB later in the evening
132 aerorobnz : There are possibly only a few ways that New Zealand will gain more airlines. - If the AIAL continues to subsidise airlines to use their airport as the
133 gemuser : EK 417/418 DXB-BKK-SYD-CHC-SYD-BKK-DXB, usually B77W including the dreaded 3-4-3 Y class. It's hell from SYD, god help you from CHC. Yes, but the far
134 Post contains images Andrensn : Yes you can do that although the emirates website only allows you to book that sometimes I've seen it as a option before although have never done it.
135 NZ107 : Depends on who you are and where you're going.. You also have SQ direct to SIN so I suppose that remains a big option when heading to Europe or even
136 ZKSUJ : I'm not doubting trans tasman stuff, but rather non-stop long hauls
137 aerokiwi : Such hyperbole. I've done this from AKL in the past and it was fine. I slept right through the BKK layover where we didn't even get off the plane.
138 Post contains links and images NZ107 : And yesterday was the last day of scheduled Aerolineas Argentinas flights to Auckland (for however long). And it was delayed as usual! Aerolineas Arge
139 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Such a shame after so many years, love the new livery. But I have to agree that it was fitting that the flight was delayed, it would have been a sham
140 gemuser : Your opinion, fine but don't try and pass it off as objective! Except for price, sometimes, EK417/418 is just dumb from CHC to beyond DXB and how man
141 aerorobnz : It is a real backpacker flight - judging by my observations of that flight arriving a while back in CHC, They get to stop in Bangkok on the way, and
142 aerokiwi : Evidently, a more profitable (or less loss making) way than leaving the plane on the ground. and I suspect EK has a slightly more sophisticated measu
143 gemuser : Sorry, the total seat width AND the space between the arm rests on EK is between 1 & 2 cm smaller than normal B777 3-3-3 (DL) widths. I personall
144 taieridrome : Last year flying to CDG had the option of either EK or SQ out of CHC. The main reason for choosing SQ was that it was just one stop and when you are t
145 Post contains links ZKOJH : Japan Airlines fined in NZ cartel case Japan Airlines, the carrier that emerged from bankruptcy last year, has been fined $2.3 million for breaches of
146 nzrich : Ever consider that with no connections to Europe at all after they pulled out of Europe that this helped with Air Asia X pulling out . With WLG havin
147 aerokiwi : I don't envy that job. But 27 teenagers sounds fairly backpacker-esque, no? Regardless, in your circumstances, SQ provided. As it will for me in a fe
148 gemuser : Not me, I've NEVER said a bad word about the B744/743 seat width, never had a problem. Pitch on DL was between 31 & 32, could be more accurate as
149 taieridrome : Agree with you nzrich. In my opinion the Christchurch earthquakes had very little to do with Air Asia X pulling out of CHC. Very very difficult for a
150 aerokiwi : Which is my point. The 3-4-3 77W and the 744s have the same seat width. So what's the problem?
151 gemuser : No they don't. Specifically when comparing the Y seat width between QF, BA & JL B744s and EKs B77W 3-4-3 the EK seat is narrower! End of argument
152 777ER : Asia in itself is a favourite holiday destination and Asians also enjoy coming here for holidays. No connections to Europe certainly wouldn't have he
153 deconz : Incorrect. The 744 cabin is wider than the 77W so how can the seats possibly be the same width?
154 ZKSUJ : I was under the impression that the 77W seats were slightly slimmer than the 744 seats in the NZ fleet, vaguely remember it being discssed on here wh
155 Richcandy : Hi Does it not all come down to money? I have been told by a friend who's a travel agent in CHC that SQ are making a loss currently on the CHC-SIN se
156 nzrich : Sorry was supposed to of replied to another poster on WLG Unfortunately other asian airlines have tried CHC and left ie Korean . Yes the earthquake w
157 aerorobnz : Especially given that SQ is undergoing a major cost cutting exercise globally right now - more so than usual. They are chopping and fine-tuning in an
158 nzrich : May I ask how does a travel agent is making money . Yes they may know some loads but that is not if a route is profitable . For SQ they have slowly b
159 777ER : As I said SQ to Europe and Asia is by far the easiest option compared to via AKL with NZ. As a result SQ will always have the demand, even if they ra
160 777ER : Looks like NZs new DPS route is causing NZ problems! On the flight to DPS, Indonesia didn't provide enough Customs forms (two arrival cards are needed
161 aerohottie : Air NZ and other 10 abreast 777 operators have been quite 'tricky" with their published seat widths. Although the 'seat cushion' width may be similar
162 nzrich : Totally agree
163 Post contains images ZKOJH : R.E Bali, sounds if NZ did not do the research into a new flight very well, it's not just about flying a plane, you have all the back area work to sor
164 ZK-NBT : History and customers are 1 thing, making money and covering the costs in the current enviroment are another. If they have to reduce or route via AKL
165 NZ107 : Makes you wonder if they'd Scootify CHC before starting AKL or not..
166 Richcandy : Depends what sort of travel agent. A retail travel agent selling a few tickets per month would not know all that much about an airline and how well t
167 777ER : Maybe an A330 is better suited to an A340 Bali/Indonesia is a fantastic destination and I really enjoyed myself in Bali. Its an amazing cultural expe
168 ZK-NBT : There are markets that airlines drop where they will always have customers who then have to connect or they lose those customers to other airlines. Y
169 777ER : Wonder if the B787 or A350 would be better suited to SQs CHC ops?
170 aerorobnz : Yeah it has been talked about at Scoot, but let us see if TZ actually makes it where other LCC longhauls have failed first. Something in the 788 rang
171 Post contains images zkojq : I noticed on flightradar24 that ZK-OJK is back in service again. First time since 2005ish I believe. On June 7th the SQ flight to Christchurch was flo
172 NZ107 : Seeing that they flew non-ER 773s to AKL last year, why would they have problems with them flying to CHC?
173 aerorobnz : A6-ECE diverting to CHC. Flight EK406 from MEL. 2 on the ground at once for CHC..
174 ZK-NBT : They go there from time to time, SYE was on SQ281/282 a while back oneday. They would struggle taking a full load of freight outbound i'd have though
175 Post contains links zkojq : I didn't think the non-ER 773 had the range to reach either. Looking at the range chart from Boeing, it turns out the 777 non-ERs have plenty of rang
176 Post contains images NZ107 : That didn't stop SQ from flying it here now, did it?
177 aerorobnz : given that the 772/773 is on the way out of the SQ fleet I'm sure it will all be academic to AKL relatively soon whether or not they can fly here or n
178 planesarecool : Any idea why two NZ 733s were in Hamilton on Tuesday afternoon? WX diversions from AKL?
179 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ to DEN? http://business-news.thestreet.com/d...ew-zealand-may-add-flights-dia-1/1
180 DavidByrne : The article quotes Fyfe as saying that DEN, IAH and DFW are all possibilities. However, I'd be very surprised if NZ served DFW - what would be the po
181 aerorobnz : I would be surprised if DEN/DFW were genuine options, rather than a route planning analysis as a comparison to justify another route or not. Or, like
182 sunrisevalley : Has Fyfe had a change of heart or is he a lame duck putting forth the change of direction that Luzon intends to pursue. There has been a real flurry
183 Post contains links UNITED91 : Except according to the Denver Post, Denver city and airport officials had no idea NZ was even considering them or even on their list. Which isn't a
184 sunrisevalley : On the routes that I list in reply 182 , the 788 will do them with about 3 to 5t less payload . On the AKL-KIX route the 763 is good for ~27t with a
185 RAGAZZO777 : Any fresh news on any future routes to South America ? . I've always thought that the 789 is more like a 772 replacement. Regards,
186 sunrisevalley : True. At 280 seats it is like a 77E operating with high load factor. But NZ have not elected to use it that way.
187 777ER : B789s were ordered as a B763 replacement. Speaking of B772 replacement, don't the leases on some of them expire in the next few years? What will NZ d
188 sunrisevalley : I believe four are leased. But these leases were extended beyond the original ~2013 date. To when I don't know. I would expect that the 10 789's on o
189 Post contains images ZKOJH : RAGAZZO777 - Any fresh news on any future routes to South America ? Following the axing of UA's IAH-AKL route, before it even started NZ have responde
190 ZKOJH : AKL-HKG-LHR flight number changes from NZ39 to NZ35 from next year? the booking engine also shows that from April 2013 the flight becomes daily! and i
191 ZK-NBT : That started in April 2012. I'd more likely say 5 763s and 2 744s with 3 additional aircraft for expansion. Not sure I'd think the 772s would stay fo
192 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Visitors to New Zealand up, slightly'' International visitor arrivals into New Zealand increased by less than one percent this May compared to May 2
193 ZK-NBT : Whats worrying? I think some of the Japanese people would have more to worry about than holidaying in NZ after the Tsunami last year. But yes hopeful
194 sunrisevalley : From the news it appears that fog did not create problems for the CATiii equipped aircraft at AKL. So I assume the system problems have been resolved.
195 Post contains links cchan : Thank you for your contributions in this thread, please continue the discussion in New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117 (by cchan Jul 7 2012 in Civil
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