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LH Dropping IAD-MUC For Winter/reduce YUL  
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4983 posts, RR: 51
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9219 times:

Can't seem to find IADMUC for winter. Also of note that YULMUC operation ranges from 3 weekly to 5 weekly depending on the month.

LAXMUC is 5 weekly and CLTMUC 6 weekly

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9191 times:

IAD-MUC is operated by United.

Remember LH has a Atlantic JV with UA and AC under which it makes no difference who the operator is.



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4983 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9147 times:

The actual LH operation is not operating this winter - so it has become a seasonal operation?

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9126 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):

IAD-MUC is operated by United.

Remember LH has a Atlantic JV with UA and AC under which it makes no difference who the operator is.

No, LH operates a daily IADMUC flight alongside UA (414/415, I believe).

FLYYUL, when are you seeing it zeroed out? I was able to find it all the way up to 02DEC12.



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4983 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9071 times:

I don't see IAD-MUC operating in Jan/Feb. During the same period LH is reducing YUL to 3 weekly until March.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8938 times:

As I said, ultimately does not matter who the equipment is as the JV is blind to it.

UA will operate IAD-MUC by itself for a period as the market will drop from double daily, to only a single flight.



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4983 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8867 times:

Ok the point is - LH is not flying this sector with its own physical metal which is newsworthy and out of the ordinary

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8534 times:

LH should let UA handle IAD and instead LH could use their resources to launch IAH-MUC.


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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8320 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
and instead LH could use their resources to launch IAH-MUC.

My vote goes to DEN-MUC. This flight did well once before for a very short time that it flown..... then the downturn around 2008 hit, and there went the flight. DEN-MUC went out fairly well packed, however, from what seemed to be said between the lines by LH officials for the discontinuation is that the MUC flight cannibalization the premium off FRA-DEN, so there went the flight. Maybe there are a few more premium butts this time around.

However, I know that there are a lot of premium butts out of IAH, so if not DEN, then that would probably be good as any destination.

  

At any rate, IAD has some sort of n/s to MUC (UA) during the off-season, correct?


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8256 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):

As I said, ultimately does not matter who the equipment is as the JV is blind to it.

UA will operate IAD-MUC by itself for a period as the market will drop from double daily, to only a single flight.

Well, in that case we're arguing semantics here, but the purpose of the discussion is to evaluate what is happening to the LUFTHANSA operated flight to MUC. Metal neutrality is not a relevant topic here because people are curious to know why Lufthansa is not flying IADMUC for the winter, if indeed that is the case, as there are still stark differences between UA and LH when it comes to the TATL in-flight experience. And, as you yourself pointed out, regardless of who is flying the route, it represents a decline in capacity by half.

Moreover, people would like to know where LH will be sending the A333 bird for that period. Metal neutrality doesn't contribute to that explanation.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8196 times:

Its simply a winter capacity adjustment. FRA-IAD goes from 5x daily to 3x, FRA-LAX from 2 to 1 etc. Nothing special.

Now with JVs airlines can schedule as one, and need not worry about maintaining physical metal presence in all markets.



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User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8171 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 9):
as there are still stark differences between UA and LH when it comes to the TATL in-flight experience.

Your right - for the customer experience but as mentioned before , its a seasonal adjustment and it doesn't matter what metal its on. Maybe UA has the better equipment size for the route than LH.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3263 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8011 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Now with JVs airlines can schedule as one, and need not worry about maintaining physical metal presence in all markets.

That's in theory, if I book LHR-JFK on ba.com, I am VERY careful that I don't end up flying on AA metal. Let's not pretend there's no difference to the paying customer, a JV is not seamless service between partners.


User currently offlinebavair From Germany, joined Jul 2011, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7189 times:

From what I see LH will continue to operate MUC-IAD as 5/7 which is the same as last winter I believe. Operations are 4/7 A333 and 1/7 A343.

User currently offlinedalca From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5943 times:
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I see the same thing loaded in the LH system, 5 times a week ex MUC but maybe things will still change and LH wants to feed more VBavarian PAX onto the VIE-IAD flight.


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User currently offlinemachnumber From Greenland, joined Jul 2011, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

They had never dropped Charlotte or LAX before to non-daily service. Those both I wouldn't have expected.

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4983 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

MUCJFK
MUCPEK
MUCNRT
MUCICN
MUCYUL all dropping to 5 weekly

MUCIAD suspended Jan to Mar 28

As per airlineroute.net


User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2512 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 16):
MUCJFK
MUCPEK
MUCNRT
MUCICN
MUCYUL all dropping to 5 weekly

MUCIAD suspended Jan to Mar 28

As per airlineroute.net

Who says MUC needs a third runway !  

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

Quoting machnumber (Reply 15):
They had never dropped Charlotte or LAX before to non-daily service. Those both

CLT is usually at 5x service over the winter..interesting.

Surprised to see JFK-MUC drop down to 5x during the winter.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

Quoting machnumber (Reply 15):
They had never dropped Charlotte or LAX before to non-daily service.

MUC-LAX for a couple years now has been less than daily in the winter. In W11/12 it was down to 4x weekly.

Other markets in W11/12 such as MUC-YUL were 5x weekly (4x weekly Jan/Feb), MUC-JFK 6x weekly, MUC-EWR 6x weekly, etc.

Seasonal trims are quite the norm.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17544 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Its simply a winter capacity adjustment. FRA-IAD goes from 5x daily to 3x, FRA-LAX from 2 to 1 etc. Nothing special.
Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 17):
Who says MUC needs a third runway !
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 18):
Surprised to see JFK-MUC drop down to 5x during the winter.

Europe is going through the same creative destruction the US went through about 10 years ago, and several hubs will likely not last. I'm not saying MUC is necessarily one of them, but there are two more LH* hubs within 230 miles of MUC, and not many would have guessed at the time that great facilities like PIT would have been dehubbed altogether.



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User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2512 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Seems like FRA will see its fair share of LH service reductions during January and February.

All of the following flights dropping from daily to 5 or 6 weekly for most of January and early february.

FRA-AUH-MCT
FRA-BOS
FRA-BLR
FRA-MAA
FRA-DFW
FRA-DEN
FRA-DOH-BAH
FRA-HKG
FRA-JNB
FRA-KRT-ADD
FRA-LOS-PHC
FRA-JFK (LH404/405)
FRA-NGO
FRA-KIX
FRA-GIG
FRA-SEA
FRA-YYZ
FRA-YVR

What will LH do will a the sitting metal in FRA ? Regular maintenance? Cabin refurbishments?

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8412 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 8):
My vote goes to DEN-MUC. This flight did well once before for a very short time that it flown.....

I said on the UA 787 thread that my vote for second route following DEN-NRT is DEN-MUC because the 787 is a better aircraft for this route than the A340.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 12):
That's in theory, if I book LHR-JFK on ba.com, I am VERY careful that I don't end up flying on AA metal. Let's not pretend there's no difference to the paying customer, a JV is not seamless service between partners.

But there's a far greater product chasm between BA and AA, than there is between LH and UA.


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