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Emirates Announces Third Iraqi Destination - Erbil  
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19199 posts, RR: 52
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6386 times:

Starting on the 12th Aug, the 4-weekly service will be operated by the 343. An additional 3x weekly frequencies will be added from 3rd Sep for a daily service. The 332 will replace the 343 from the 28th Oct.

Timings:

DXB-EBL: 0430-0630
EBL-DXB: 0800-1140

Source: http://www.theeksource.com/emirates-launch-erbil-service/

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Good to see another Iraqi destination enter EK's network after BGW and BSR.

[Edited 2012-06-22 00:55:25]


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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4756 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5839 times:

They will get a lot of traffic from Western Europe and UK on this route. Key markets will be Germany and UK mainly followed by GCC/Australia and BKK.

I guess now with Iraq and Tehran nicely settled into EK's route network, we should expect to see frequency increases to Copenhagen + Stockholm added by Summer 2013 or maybe even earlier.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5749 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):
They will get a lot of traffic from Western Europe and UK on this route. Key markets will be Germany and UK mainly followed by GCC/Australia and BKK.

I know this might be coming from just an aviation enthusiast, but I think that unless EK is going after VFR traffic from Iraqi immigrants to Western Europe (which is more price sensitive and less interested in flight times), such a detour is unacceptable. Especially for a businessman flying FRA-EBL or LHR-EBL via DXB, this is 85-100% longer, plus connection times. In fact, they will be flying straight above their destination en route to DXB. But of course, for someone flying PEK-EBL or SIN-EBL, this becomes negligible.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6306 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5621 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):
They will get a lot of traffic from Western Europe and UK on this route.

Not sure about that. Erbil already has quite a bit of European service, and from major carriers - Lufthansa, Turkish, Austrian, Air Berlin. They also have plenty of competition regionally too - Etihad, flyDubai, Qatar, Royal Jordanian.

Curious to see if they succeed...I'm almost wondering if they're too late to the party, with too big of an aircraft.


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4756 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5620 times:

The main traffic is European based Iraqi immigrants as that would constitute a bulk of the target market segments. Same case is with QR/TK. The detour example you say does not hold forth as Europeans in their 1000s fly from EU via DXB on EK to South Africa, NBO, DAR etc and also from LAX/SFO/IAH via DXB to Africa which is an even bigger detour!

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24914 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 4):
The detour example you say does not hold forth as Europeans in their 1000s fly from EU via DXB on EK to South Africa, NBO, DAR etc and also from LAX/SFO/IAH via DXB to Africa which is an even bigger detour!

In relation to the nonstop or most direct route, I think the deviation to Erbil is much longer on a percentage basis.

Example:
LHR-IST-EBL 2125 nm
LHR-DXB-EBL 3855 nm

That's 82% further. I don't think any of the other routes you mention have anywhere close to that much deviation. Two examples:

LHR-JNB 4884 nm
LHR-DXB-JNB 6422 nm (31% further)

LAX-ATL-JNB (probably the shortest route) 9025 nm
LAX-DXB-JNB 10,696 nm (18% further)

If EK wants to fly someone almost twice as far for the same fare, I guess they're free to do so, but it doesn't sound very economic. Obviously, nobody is going to choose a routing like that unless the fare is very attractive, which when combined to the distance travelled, means low yields.


User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

Hi!

My ancestry is from the North of Iraq and I still have some people I talk to there. I don't really know much about it but I was talking online to a woman from there a while ago who was trying to come to the UK for a break and she said she has to go to Jordan first to get a visa to fly from there. Maybe with more airlines flying there they will get more embassies in the North. I wonder if Emirates and the other airlines make a good profit flying there. Like I said I don't really know much about it though.

Many thanks,

Pierre


User currently offlinetayaramecanici From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2213 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
If EK wants to fly someone almost twice as far for the same fare, I guess they're free to do so, but it doesn't sound very economic. Obviously, nobody is going to choose a routing like that unless the fare is very attractive, which when combined to the distance travelled, means low yields.

Absolutely, tie this up with a hugely diverse fleet that needs rationalising, its a perfect caricature of an airline that has got its undies in a suffocating TWIST.



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User currently offlineEKGOLD From Australia, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

As a new frequent flyer to Erbil from Dubai, I can attest to this route being quite popular with Flydubai flights regularly full. Dubai has a lot of O&D traffic to Erbil and I have sometimes used Etihad as a stop gap depending on the availability of Flydubai seats.

Erbil is positively exploding out of the ground with the amount of exploration companies now moving in and the relative safety of Erbil. A lot of companies using Erbil as a staging point for work south of the Arab/Kurdish border not too mention the requirement for workers in Kurdistan, further strengthening the demand for flights. Freight would be a key driver for EK starting additional services into Erbil to i am guessing to supplement the already regular freighters flying in.

The timings of flights are a little odd as they dont seem to connect to any major waves of traffic in/out of Dubai


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