Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19413 posts, RR: 52 Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6996 times:
Starting on the 12th Aug, the 4-weekly service will be operated by the 343. An additional 3x weekly frequencies will be added from 3rd Sep for a daily service. The 332 will replace the 343 from the 28th Oct.
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6359 times:
Quoting behramjee (Reply 1): They will get a lot of traffic from Western Europe and UK on this route. Key markets will be Germany and UK mainly followed by GCC/Australia and BKK.
I know this might be coming from just an aviation enthusiast, but I think that unless EK is going after VFR traffic from Iraqi immigrants to Western Europe (which is more price sensitive and less interested in flight times), such a detour is unacceptable. Especially for a businessman flying FRA-EBL or LHR-EBL via DXB, this is 85-100% longer, plus connection times. In fact, they will be flying straight above their destination en route to DXB. But of course, for someone flying PEK-EBL or SIN-EBL, this becomes negligible.
SW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6231 times:
Quoting behramjee (Reply 1): They will get a lot of traffic from Western Europe and UK on this route.
Not sure about that. Erbil already has quite a bit of European service, and from major carriers - Lufthansa, Turkish, Austrian, Air Berlin. They also have plenty of competition regionally too - Etihad, flyDubai, Qatar, Royal Jordanian.
Curious to see if they succeed...I'm almost wondering if they're too late to the party, with too big of an aircraft.
behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 5065 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6230 times:
The main traffic is European based Iraqi immigrants as that would constitute a bulk of the target market segments. Same case is with QR/TK. The detour example you say does not hold forth as Europeans in their 1000s fly from EU via DXB on EK to South Africa, NBO, DAR etc and also from LAX/SFO/IAH via DXB to Africa which is an even bigger detour!
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 27350 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4277 times:
Quoting behramjee (Reply 4): The detour example you say does not hold forth as Europeans in their 1000s fly from EU via DXB on EK to South Africa, NBO, DAR etc and also from LAX/SFO/IAH via DXB to Africa which is an even bigger detour!
In relation to the nonstop or most direct route, I think the deviation to Erbil is much longer on a percentage basis.
LHR-IST-EBL 2125 nm
LHR-DXB-EBL 3855 nm
That's 82% further. I don't think any of the other routes you mention have anywhere close to that much deviation. Two examples:
If EK wants to fly someone almost twice as far for the same fare, I guess they're free to do so, but it doesn't sound very economic. Obviously, nobody is going to choose a routing like that unless the fare is very attractive, which when combined to the distance travelled, means low yields.
Ps76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4145 times:
My ancestry is from the North of Iraq and I still have some people I talk to there. I don't really know much about it but I was talking online to a woman from there a while ago who was trying to come to the UK for a break and she said she has to go to Jordan first to get a visa to fly from there. Maybe with more airlines flying there they will get more embassies in the North. I wonder if Emirates and the other airlines make a good profit flying there. Like I said I don't really know much about it though.
tayaramecanici From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2823 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5): If EK wants to fly someone almost twice as far for the same fare, I guess they're free to do so, but it doesn't sound very economic. Obviously, nobody is going to choose a routing like that unless the fare is very attractive, which when combined to the distance travelled, means low yields.
Absolutely, tie this up with a hugely diverse fleet that needs rationalising, its a perfect caricature of an airline that has got its undies in a suffocating TWIST.
''You are as good as your nearest competitor'' Bob Crandall.
EKGOLD From Australia, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2659 times:
As a new frequent flyer to Erbil from Dubai, I can attest to this route being quite popular with Flydubai flights regularly full. Dubai has a lot of O&D traffic to Erbil and I have sometimes used Etihad as a stop gap depending on the availability of Flydubai seats.
Erbil is positively exploding out of the ground with the amount of exploration companies now moving in and the relative safety of Erbil. A lot of companies using Erbil as a staging point for work south of the Arab/Kurdish border not too mention the requirement for workers in Kurdistan, further strengthening the demand for flights. Freight would be a key driver for EK starting additional services into Erbil to i am guessing to supplement the already regular freighters flying in.
The timings of flights are a little odd as they dont seem to connect to any major waves of traffic in/out of Dubai