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LAN And TAM Launch Latam Airlines Group S.A.  
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15066 times:
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Photo Courtesy of LAN Airlines S.A.

LAN and TAM have completed their transaction and have officially created LATAM Airlines Group S.A.

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LAN Airlines S.A. (which has been renamed LATAM Airlines Group S.A.) and TAM S.A. report that they have successfully completed the exchange offer and mergers through which they have combined their businesses and created the LATAM Airlines Group S.A. LATAM Airlines Group S.A. will offer passengers more flights to more destinations than any other affiliated group of airlines in South America, initially reaching about 150 destinations in 22 countries and transporting cargo to 169 destinations in 27 countries.
LAN and TAM complete their transaction and create LATAM Airlines Group


Enrique Cueto, Executive Vice President-CEO of LATAM Airlines Group and Mauricio Rolim Amaro, Vice Chairman of TAM S.A. have released statements:

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"The creation of this group of airlines is an opportunity to take South America to the world and to allow us to position ourselves to operate in an increasingly competitive environment due to the continuing consolidation of the global airline industry," said Enrique Cueto, Executive Vice President-CEO of LATAM Airlines Group.


"The growth LATAM Airlines Group is expected to generate will allow us to offer flights to new destinations for our customers, create more opportunities for our more than 51,000 employees and greater value for shareholders. In addition, we can support the economic, social and cultural development of our region, improving the connectivity of passengers and cargo in South America and the rest of the world," said Mauricio Rolim Amaro, Vice Chairman of TAM S.A.
LAN and TAM complete their transaction and create LATAM Airlines Group

[Edited 2012-06-22 06:56:49]

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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15032 times:
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LATAM board of directors chair Mauricio Rolim Amaro, LAN CEO Ignacio Cueto, TAM board chair Maria Claudia Amaro, LATAM CEO Enrique Cueto. Courtesy, LAN Airlines.


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LAN Airlines and TAM officially completed their merger under LATAM Airlines Group Friday, creating a mega-airline company that is expected to control more than 40% of the Latin American air passenger market.
LAN/TAM complete merger under LATAM Airlines Group

TAM will officially leave the Star Alliance:

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A top executive with a Star member, however, told ATW that it is likely TAM will depart Star, though he noted it could take up to 18 months before the Brazilian carrier officially joins oneworld. He said that TAM will have to pay a $25 million fee to leave the alliance. Oneworld, on the other hand, does not have an exit fee.
TAM absent from Star events as LATAM alliance decision nears

Information for LATAM's customers about the combination:
F.A.Q. about the association


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 8326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14957 times:
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Now that LATAM has swallowed up most of Latin America they should merge with AA. Hey AA merging with USairways is a worse option in my opinion. LAN does know how to run an airline. Just if Washington would change that pesky 25% foreign limit law.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14876 times:
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1. LATAM's primary goal is to increase connectivity with-in South America by launching new regional routes and increasing frequencies on certain regional and domestic routes; and also to stimulate air travel with-in the region and into the region.
2. LATAM seeks to boost pax LFs and increase its cargo business particularly in Colombia and in Brazil.
3. LATAM seeks to open new international and domestic destinations from its hubs at BOG, BSB, GIG, GRU, LIM, SCL, etc.
4. LATAM seeks to offer seamless connections throughout their vast network offering passengers new options that were not available before the combination.
5. LATAM will increase competition in the region against rival Latin American carriers; as well as foreign carriers that operate into their hubs and focus cities.
6. LATAM seeks to offer their customers new products to enhance the travel experience. For example, LAN will introduce a new Premium Business Class and a new Economy Class on its fleet of wide-body a/c. TAM will introduce new First, Business and Coach class cabins on its fleet of wide-body a/c.
7. LATAM will operate newer and more efficient a/c.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9772 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14510 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
7. LATAM will operate newer and more efficient a/c.

Depends on which airline you are comparing them too. When looking at their largest competitor in South/Central America, no, LATAM is and will not be operating newer or more efficient aircraft. Not now and not in the future.

A388

[Edited 2012-06-22 12:33:23]

User currently offlineogre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14433 times:

So both alliances have very new aircraft... Lets improve the discussion level kids


Sigh
User currently offlinejrosa From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 367 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14378 times:

Nobody talks about alliances. But (if I'm not wrong) a court from Chile ruled that Lan and Tam would not be allowed to be members of the same alliance of Avianca/Taca (a full Star Alliance member since Jun 21, 2012). Therefore, this ruling puts Tam out of Star Alliance.

Does anyone know if Tam will really leave Star Alliance?

If it will leave Star Alliance, when will it happen?

What's the future of Tam? One World or a non-alliance airline?

[Edited 2012-06-22 13:09:35]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14333 times:
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Quoting jrosa (Reply 9):
Does anyone know if Tam will really leave Star Alliance?

Yes, JJ and PZ are required to leave the Star alliance.

Quoting jrosa (Reply 9):
If it will leave Star Alliance, when will it happen?

LATAM Airlines S.A. will be invited to join the oneworld by a fellow oneworld carrier. LAN cannot invite TAM to join the oneworld alliance.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2182 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14082 times:

Quoting jrosa (Reply 9):
Nobody talks about alliances. But (if I'm not wrong) a court from Chile ruled that Lan and Tam would not be allowed to be members of the same alliance of Avianca/Taca (a full Star Alliance member since Jun 21, 2012). Therefore, this ruling puts Tam out of Star Alliance.

Does anyone know if Tam will really leave Star Alliance?

If it will leave Star Alliance, when will it happen?

What's the future of Tam? One World or a non-alliance airline?

Yes, TAM can no longer legally remain in Star Alliance. The TDLC's ruling on the LAN-TAM merger has given TAM 24 months (starting April 2012) to exit Star and follow the requirements related to alliances. This also includes prohibiting the option of dual alliances (aka LAN cannot remain in OneWorld while TAM joins SkyTeam, etc).

As such, the scenarios will either be LAN remains in OneWorld and TAM remains unaligned, TAM joins LAN in OneWorld, or the combined carrier will exit the alliance realm entirely. Another possibility, although highly unlikely, is that the combined carrier exits and joins SkyTeam. While legal, I don't believe options 3 and 4 will occur in the slightest. #1 and 2 are far more likely.

OneWorld has far more to lose if LAN were to exit than Star will undoubtedly experience when TAM exits. Not only is TAM's membership in Star far newer, but also some of the loss will be recouped by the entrance of AV-TA and CM. Whereas with OneWorld, the relationships with LAN and other OW affiliates are far more entrenched and the connectivity between OneWorld hubs and LAN (SYD, MAD, DFW, MIA, LAX, JFK) are highly lucrative.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14002 times:
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Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 16):
OneWorld has far more to lose if LAN were to exit than Star will undoubtedly experience when TAM exits. Not only is TAM's membership in Star far newer, but also some of the loss will be recouped by the entrance of AV-TA and CM.

However, it should be noted that AV-TA-CM can hardly grow at GRU in order to provide feed to other Star carriers since the airport is highly congested. By acquiring TAM, LAN now has a major hub at GRU with a healthy portfolio of slots.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13156 times:
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Some more information about LATAM Airlines Group S.A. LATAM would control 40% of passenger traffic within South America and would be the second largest airline "by passengers" after American Airlines on routes between South America and the U.S.

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Airline consolidation took another step forward Friday with the stock-swap takeover of Brazilian airline TAM SA by Chile's LAN Airlines SA, creating South America's largest carrier by traffic, with an estimated market capitalization of $13 billion, the largest of any airline in the world. The new company, Latam Airlines Group SA, encompasses airlines in six South American nations and has four major hubs—São Paulo, Lima, Santiago and Bogotá. Latam would control 40% of the passenger traffic within South America and be the second-largest airline by passengers after American Airlines on routes to the U.S. and third-largest to Europe.

LATAM's CEO states that the "combined capacity" of LATAM will allow the airline to leverage agreements with U.S. and European airlines:

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Enrique Cueto, Latam's chief executive, said the combined capacity puts the airline in a better position to negotiate network agreements with U.S. and European airlines. "Every airline is trying to fly to Brazil or Latin America," he said, and will need Latam flights to connect to cites across South America. "This is a growth merger," said Mr. Cueto. It gives LAN access to the Brazilian market, the largest in the region. Only 3% of the two airlines's routes overlap, mainly on flights from São Paulo to Santiago and Buenos Aires. It also brings LAN's regional affiliates in Peru, Argentina, Ecuador and Colombia into the combined company's mix, offering opportunities to route their passengers to TAM's flights.

LATAM's CEO reiterates that LATAM needs "strong partners" both in the U.S. and in Europe:

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LAN is a member of Oneworld, a group that includes AMR Corp.'s American Airlines and British Airways and Spain's Iberia. Latam was expected to move TAM into Oneworld. Mr. Cueto said on Friday that a final decision hasn't been make. "We need very strong partners in the U.S. and Europe. We will negotiate to get the best deal. If they are in the same alliance, bingo, easy decision for us." If not, "we have to think about what is best for us." He said it isn't a foregone conclusion that Latam will stay in Oneworld and said there are several options.
Merger Reshapes Latin Air Market


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 11641 times:
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LAN And TAM Together:

El peso de Latam, tras la fusión

LATAM board of directors chair Mauricio Rolim Amaro and LAN's CEO Ignacio Cueto recently gave some details regarding the immediate future of LATAM Airlines Group:

*Negotiations have been going on for over eight years to create LATAM!

*LATAM is focused on lowering its debt ratio and generating synergies immediately. LATAM will not discuss its current profits. However, both LAN and TAM posted profits during Q1 as separate entities.

*The alliance options are still open, LATAM could join OneWorld, TAM may stay unaligned, or LATAM may consider joining SkyTeam.

*When Brazil increases foreign ownership laws to reach 49% of foreign investment; LAN's CEO states that LAN will increase ownership in TAM up to the maximum cap.

*In the short term, LATAM is not planning on opening a new hub. LATAM is focused on increasing connectivity at existing hubs. LATAM states that there's strong potential in launching new regional routes within South America; as well as the possibility of launching new long-haul routes from its hubs at BOG, BSB, GIG, GRU, LIM, and SCL.

Ignacio Cueto y Mauricio Rolim Amaro detallan los próximos pasos del gigante Latam


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 11534 times:

Interesting development. I wonder if we can expect some new routes from LATAM's main hubs in the near future.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 11461 times:
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Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 20):
Interesting development. I wonder if we can expect some new routes from LATAM's main hubs in the near future.

LATAM is increasing frequencies and capacity on routes from BOG, BSB, GIG, GRU, GYE, LIM, SCL, UIO, etc. LAN Colombia recently launched BOG-GRU 2x weekly and will increase frequency to 6x weekly in September and plans to launch BOG-MAD daily. TAM will increase frequencies on the BSB-MIA, CNF-MIA, GIG-JFK, GIG-FRA, and GIG-CDG routes all to daily services. TAM also plans to launch GIG-MCO daily. LAN will increase frequency on the SCL-COR, SCL-GRU, SCL-GIG, SCL-EZE, SCL-MIA, SCL-MVD, SCL-CUN-MIA, SCL-PUJ-MIA, LIM-LAX, LIM-MIA, LIM-JFK, and LIM-UIO routes. With 2K cutting domestic and international flights in Ecuador, LAN Ecuador will increase frequencies on domestic routes within Ecuador dramatically, i.e. the UIO-GYE and UIO-CUE routes. The GYE-JFK route will also increase to 11x weekly as well. LAN has also publicly mentioned that it is interested in opening direct routes between SCL and both BCN and FCO with the B-787s.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2182 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 10552 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
However, it should be noted that AV-TA-CM can hardly grow at GRU in order to provide feed to other Star carriers since the airport is highly congested. By acquiring TAM, LAN now has a major hub at GRU with a healthy portfolio of slots.

I'd argue that it's a double-edged sword. On one hand, it is a victory for LAN to now have a hub at GRU with a healthy portfolio of slots; however, on the other hand the growth opportunities in SAO are obviously limited. Moreover, as part of the second phase of the AV-TA integration into Star, Avianca-Brasil will be making its way into the alliance, which will obviously provide some leverage for Star into Brasil.

Whereas for AV-TA-CM, the only challenge with slot restrictions will occur at BOG (correct me if I am wrong). While arguably Brazil is the more important market, AV-TA and CM will dominate the Colombian market as well as PTY, a critical link for intra-American traffic. Hopefully, LAN Colombia will continue to grow and be integrated into OneWorld at some point, increasing OW's footprint in the Northern Latin America realm.

Regardless, all the moving parts in Latin America will be VERY interesting to watch over the years. AR joining ST soon, and G3 moving closer to DL. To a smaller degree, the merger between Azul and TRIP, as well as the other integrations of smaller subsidiaries into the larger alliances.



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User currently offlineEI912 From Ireland, joined May 2012, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 10315 times:

I may have missed the answer to this somewhere, but are there any plans to streamline the LA/JJ brands into one? I think LATAM in the current LAN branding would definitely be the more appealing option.

User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 10242 times:

Quoting EI912 (Reply 15):
are there any plans to streamline the LA/JJ brands into one?

None as far as I know.

.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 14):
AV-TA and CM will dominate the Colombian market as well as PTY, a critical link for intra-American traffic.

Not to mention LIM, which has become a battlefield between Star Alliance (TACA) and Oneworld (LAN).

[Edited 2012-06-23 15:01:23]


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 10258 times:

Fitch cuts Latam, upgrades Tam  http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/201...-latam-upgrades-tam/#axzz1yejO6TCE

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 16):

Not to mention LIM, which has become a battlefield between Star Alliance (TACA) and Oneworld (LAN).

LIM has never had better air service. It's a great thing for LIM and Peru to host such a battle.



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User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 10078 times:

Wouldn't it have just been easier to call it "LANTAM", rather than LATAM? Seems to make more sense. Or does LATAM actually stand for something?

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 10062 times:

Quoting EI912 (Reply 15):
but are there any plans to streamline the LA/JJ brands into one?

I would hope not. I would(and hopefully the Brazilians also) rather see a distinctly Brazilian brand instead of the generic Chilean one.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25125 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 10044 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 18):
Or does LATAM actually stand for something?

Latin America. Very logical name in my opinion.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8549 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 10046 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 18):Or does LATAM actually stand for something?


Latin America. Very logical name in my opinion.

I have to agree that I think it is a much better name than LANTAM for that reason ( and it also rolls off the tongue more easily)



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 10007 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 14):
I'd argue that it's a double-edged sword. On one hand, it is a victory for LAN to now have a hub at GRU with a healthy portfolio of slots; however, on the other hand the growth opportunities in SAO are obviously limited.

The benefit of dominating GRU far outweighs the downside of limited growth.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 14):
...AV-TA and CM will dominate the Colombian market.... Hopefully, LAN Colombia will continue to grow and be integrated into OneWorld at some point, increasing OW's footprint in the Northern Latin America realm.

AV's domination of Colombia will only go unchallenged for a limited period of time. 4C should be adding 15 aircraft this year. In addition, LA will continue to leverage their presence from the rest of S. America into Colombia to bolster their visibility since LAN appears as one brand. That said I don't expect much to happen with 4C for the foreseeable future as LAN has to finish integrating JJ.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 9916 times:
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Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 14):
I'd argue that it's a double-edged sword. On one hand, it is a victory for LAN to now have a hub at GRU with a healthy portfolio of slots; however, on the other hand the growth opportunities in SAO are obviously limited.

While GRU is slot restricted and severely congested we might see LAN Cargo transferring cargo flights completely over to VCP. Also, TAM may increase capacity on certain domestic and international flights at GRU, and may decrease frequency on certain domestic flights in order for LATAM to increase international flights. CGH is also dominated by TAM. TAM may focus on increasing international flights from other Brazilian airports, including BSB, CNF, and especially GIG. TAM is increasing frequencies on certain flights from GIG and will launch new international routes from GIG. JJ plans on launching GIG-MCO later this year.

LATAM is spread out throughout the continent and maintains flexibility in growing their businesses. The domestic and international markets are growing significantly in Chile and Perú. Of course LAN is the dominant carrier in these markets and is increasing frequencies on many domestic and international routes out of both LIM and SCL. LAN is also increasing point to point domestic flights in both Chile and Perú bypassing LIM and SCL, and will increase capacity on various routes due to the increase in traffic. LAN is phasing out the A-318s and will receive A-321s starting next year in order to increase capacity in these markets, as well as other markets. Also, LAN is increasingly operating certain regional routes with the B763s and has 12 more B763s on order.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months ago) and read 9779 times:
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During 2013, LATAM will launch 10 new international routes:
Máximos ejecutivos de LAN y TAM hablan tras la fusión: "En 2013 abriremos 10 nuevas rutas internacionales"


25 RAGAZZO777 : It seems like you need a subscription to El Mercurio to read that news article. Still, that's exciting news. Hopefully, London will be finally launch
26 SCL767 : It states that LAN and TAM will integrate their respective routes and will increase frequencies on more routes. It also states that some of the new ro
27 aerokiwi : But then, so is LANTAM, where LAN+TAM = LANTAM I think there's more space for ambiguity - the clipped 'a' or the long 'a'? Where does the emphasis go
28 Post contains images SCL767 : LAN has evaluated opening SCL-LHR and LIM-LHR to link up with British Airways at LHR. It would also enhance BA's network between LHR and South Americ
29 SJOtoLIR : Both LAN and TAM have a good connectivity in South America at this time. What kind of routes would LATAM stimulate there in the future? . GRU is not
30 AwysBSB : I wonder if they are able to start a new trip sale for this season. I think they do not have a flexible capacity for that.
31 Post contains links C010T3 : On a conversation with Valor, Brazilian business newspaper, Enrique Cueto said that it's a possibility for LATAM to go completely independent, having
32 SCL767 : More regional routes within South America, i.e. BOG-GIG, LIM-CNF, LIM-CWB, LIM-GIG, LIM-POA, perhaps LIM-BSB will resume... How many daily departures
33 Post contains links SCL767 : LATAM Airlines Group S.A. has launched a new website with facts and information about the new company: http://www.latamairlinesgroup.net/
34 A388 : Time will tell how O6 will expand or not. A388
35 SCL767 : Indeed, it will be very interesting to see how O6 expands their operations at São Paulo-Guarulhos; especially since GOL-Webjet and Azul-Trip have me
36 A388 : Yes, let's see what time brings us. A388
37 SCL767 : Have you noticed that another carrier that planned to significantly boost flights into both GRU and GIG from the U.S. recently pulled those new addit
38 C010T3 : What are you talking about?
39 SCL767 : MIA-GIG 2x daily, JFK-GRU 2x daily, DFW-GRU...
40 C010T3 : I haven't seen anything in that regard.
41 SCL767 : DFW-GRU is planned to increase to 12x weekly, MIA-GIG is planned to increase to 2x daily, JFK-GRU is planned to increase to 2x daily. Yet some of thes
42 IrishAyes : Well, TAM is definitively leaving Star - it is no longer legal for them to be in Star Alliance, period. IMO, it would be stupid for LAN to leave OneW
43 C010T3 : Not, actually. They may stay for another 22 months. Not really, frequencies have been allocated.
44 SCL767 : Perhaps AA is "posturing" with LATAM or will reload the new frequencies to increase their dominance on the routes between the U.S. and Brazil. Also,
45 SJOtoLIR : The point is that Avianca Brasil is all what Star Alliance would find for their domestic flights. I'm aware that its domestic coverage is not as exte
46 SCL767 : Considering that most Star carriers primarily operate into São Paulo-Guarulhos, how will O6 grow their operations at GRU in order to provide adequat
47 SJOtoLIR : Well, it's very complicated to debate it. Star Alliance will indeed lose a big chunk of the domestic market in Brazil and it could be very hard to re
48 SCL767 : LAN was not involved in that decision since it is not part of Star. However, TAM would have objected since they are part of the Star Alliance; and is
49 IrishAyes : Yes, I realize this. But not long term. The days are numbered, period. Are we going to really get into semantics on this one? Star will basically see
50 SOUTHAMERICA : Similarly, LATAM faces a huge challenge in the domestic Colombian market; they inherited a money-losing operation from Aires, and despite efforts the
51 SCL767 : IMO, it will even out between both groups. LATAM will dominate the Southern Cone, (including Brazil) and the Peruvian markets, while AV-TA has Colomb
52 kiwiandrew : They have limited access to GRU, and given the congestion at that airport it is hard to see how they could obtain significant additional access, unle
53 SOUTHAMERICA : There is no certainty when and if this will actually happen. It's going to be 6 months now since LAN took over Aires and the only thing that has actu
54 SCL767 : LAN Colombia's MIA-BOG route still has high LFs with an "inferior product". It's funny how on this an other threads the trend is to bash LAN's produc
55 SOUTHAMERICA : Does LAN offer Business Class with lie-flat seats on its BOG-MIA route? Does LAN offer personal PTVs in every seat onboard its aircraft in BOG-MIA? T
56 SCL767 : It's called Premium Economy Class. Visit LAN.com for more information. Does AviancaTaca offer a Premium Business Class product with lie-flat seats on
57 Post contains images CamiloA380 : Things will certainly get interesting now with LATAM going online! Dream on, but wake up one day please. You always say these kind of things, and it f
58 SCL767 : LATAM is incorporating newer and more efficient a/c for their respective routes. For example, the B-787-8 will operate the SCL-MAD-FRA route replacin
59 A388 : Excellent post CamiloA380. Well said. SCL767 defends LAN through thick and thin which is okay until it starts overblowing everything. Clearly a dream
60 Gonzalo : SCL767, it is probably better you don't loose your time answering to certain posts. There are some members in this forum ( a very little number, but t
61 SCL767 : A388, this thread is focused on LATAM Airlines Group S.A. and the new options that many passengers finally have to connect not only within Latin Amer
62 Post contains images SCL767 : Just stating facts that others would like to ignore. Anyways, here are the destinations that LAN operates into in 5 different countries in South Amer
63 troest : I don't see this as bashing though. It is just true facts. AV have a "superior product" in their narrowbody fleet - J class seats and PTVs in J and Y
64 SCL767 : Competition is a great thing and you will be happy to know that LAN Colombia will be operating new B-767-316ERs on international routes, including th
65 troest : We all know that LAN only offers a premium product in widebodies. Just making clear, there is a huge difference in AV's and LAN's narrowbody product.
66 Post contains links SCL767 : LATAM currently has a fleet of 310 aircraft with 240 aircraft on order. Thus, LATAM will eventually operate a younger and more efficient fleet of airc
67 SA7700 : This thread is constantly being dragged into an off-topic childish debate by a select few members, which will no longer be tolerated. Continue in this
68 A388 : Currently LATAM's fleet age is even older compared to AV/TA. With the orders both LATAM and AV have placed they will in the future also have similar
69 Post contains links SCL767 : TAM expected to leave Star by the end of this year. LAN and TAM will maintain their own brands and their respective domestic operations will remain in
70 Gonzalo : Thanks for the link SCL767, other key sentences in this article ( although nothing official, shows very well the "feeling" in the sector about the mov
71 Arcano : I'm not sure if this thread is looking LA vs AV or not, which of course will lead nowhere. Fact: Lan is a great airline for sure... but so great that
72 LipeGIG : DFW-GRU 12x weekly only during summer peak season. Will be back to Daily off-season and plans to go 10x weekly B772 for the Winter 2012/2013 MIA-GIG
73 SCL767 : Only on certain routes, i.e. SCL-GRU, SCL-GIG, LIM-GRU, EZE-GRU, ASU-SCL, GRU-AEP, GIG-EZE, and certain domestic destinations within Brazil, Chile, a
74 Post contains images lh526 : So FRA-SCL will be FRA-BOG-SCL soon? No Star Alliance routing FRA-GRU/EZE-SCL anymore? We finally came to this
75 ogre727 : Will they have a joint website? If not, will you be able to book on either airline a-la air france-klm?
76 Post contains links SCL767 : LAN and TAM will continue to maintain their own websites. However, within the next few weeks passengers will be able to purchase all TAM operated fli
77 Gonzalo : Hi Arcano, I don't want to look like the devil's advocate here, or like the biggest fan of LA , but come on.... the price tag for a trip to Bs. As. i
78 A388 : So who is the largest group in the sector by market value? A388
79 Gonzalo : AFAIK is DL , with a market value of 17,7 billion dollars. LATAM will be second with a MV of 14,5 billion dollars. I hope someone can correct ( or co
80 A388 : Okay I see, let's see how this will remain or change in the coming years. I can imagine that the market value of a company can change quickly as the
81 EddieDude : I believe the largest airline company in terms of market capitalization is Air China, not Delta. Of course I could be wrong.
82 A388 : The ranking based on market value in my opinion is more based on who analyses this ranking. If Air China indeed is the largest by market value, it wo
83 EddieDude : I am in complete agreement with you. Foreign exchange fluctuations are also a factor that intervenes here. One thing is for sure. LATAM, S.A. is among
84 A388 : I totally agree with you here as well. A388
85 Post contains links SCL767 : Will the newly formed LATAM spur even more consolidation in Latin America? Is LATAM looking at "participating in the privatisation" of TAP Portugal? I
86 Post contains images Derico : Just a small observation, but when did Bahia Blanca become one of the great hubs of South America?? I'm sorry but that is just a pathetic mistake. Sh
87 eastern023 : Clearly the map highlights Buenos Aires in bold as a Hub.
88 Post contains images Derico : I'm Argentine, I know my geography eastern. My comment stands.
89 Gonzalo : Funny how you started with this "innocent" sentence , and immediately after you shot with all your artillery : Thanks for your point of view. But her
90 EddieDude : Well, it is just the name of the corporate entity that owns the operating companies, so the name is quite irrelevant to be honest. For now, the name
91 Post contains images Derico : I hate AR (the employes), and wish they would all be fired. You were saying? I'm not blinded by hatred of my geographic neighbors, some of us are wel
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