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LAN And TAM Launch Latam Airlines Group S.A.  
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 15366 times:


Photo Courtesy of LAN Airlines S.A.

LAN and TAM have completed their transaction and have officially created LATAM Airlines Group S.A.

Quote:
LAN Airlines S.A. (which has been renamed LATAM Airlines Group S.A.) and TAM S.A. report that they have successfully completed the exchange offer and mergers through which they have combined their businesses and created the LATAM Airlines Group S.A. LATAM Airlines Group S.A. will offer passengers more flights to more destinations than any other affiliated group of airlines in South America, initially reaching about 150 destinations in 22 countries and transporting cargo to 169 destinations in 27 countries.
LAN and TAM complete their transaction and create LATAM Airlines Group


Enrique Cueto, Executive Vice President-CEO of LATAM Airlines Group and Mauricio Rolim Amaro, Vice Chairman of TAM S.A. have released statements:

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"The creation of this group of airlines is an opportunity to take South America to the world and to allow us to position ourselves to operate in an increasingly competitive environment due to the continuing consolidation of the global airline industry," said Enrique Cueto, Executive Vice President-CEO of LATAM Airlines Group.


"The growth LATAM Airlines Group is expected to generate will allow us to offer flights to new destinations for our customers, create more opportunities for our more than 51,000 employees and greater value for shareholders. In addition, we can support the economic, social and cultural development of our region, improving the connectivity of passengers and cargo in South America and the rest of the world," said Mauricio Rolim Amaro, Vice Chairman of TAM S.A.
LAN and TAM complete their transaction and create LATAM Airlines Group

[Edited 2012-06-22 06:56:49]

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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 15332 times:


LATAM board of directors chair Mauricio Rolim Amaro, LAN CEO Ignacio Cueto, TAM board chair Maria Claudia Amaro, LATAM CEO Enrique Cueto. Courtesy, LAN Airlines.


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LAN Airlines and TAM officially completed their merger under LATAM Airlines Group Friday, creating a mega-airline company that is expected to control more than 40% of the Latin American air passenger market.
LAN/TAM complete merger under LATAM Airlines Group

TAM will officially leave the Star Alliance:

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A top executive with a Star member, however, told ATW that it is likely TAM will depart Star, though he noted it could take up to 18 months before the Brazilian carrier officially joins oneworld. He said that TAM will have to pay a $25 million fee to leave the alliance. Oneworld, on the other hand, does not have an exit fee.
TAM absent from Star events as LATAM alliance decision nears

Information for LATAM's customers about the combination:
F.A.Q. about the association


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8515 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 15257 times:
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Now that LATAM has swallowed up most of Latin America they should merge with AA. Hey AA merging with USairways is a worse option in my opinion. LAN does know how to run an airline. Just if Washington would change that pesky 25% foreign limit law.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 15176 times:

1. LATAM's primary goal is to increase connectivity with-in South America by launching new regional routes and increasing frequencies on certain regional and domestic routes; and also to stimulate air travel with-in the region and into the region.
2. LATAM seeks to boost pax LFs and increase its cargo business particularly in Colombia and in Brazil.
3. LATAM seeks to open new international and domestic destinations from its hubs at BOG, BSB, GIG, GRU, LIM, SCL, etc.
4. LATAM seeks to offer seamless connections throughout their vast network offering passengers new options that were not available before the combination.
5. LATAM will increase competition in the region against rival Latin American carriers; as well as foreign carriers that operate into their hubs and focus cities.
6. LATAM seeks to offer their customers new products to enhance the travel experience. For example, LAN will introduce a new Premium Business Class and a new Economy Class on its fleet of wide-body a/c. TAM will introduce new First, Business and Coach class cabins on its fleet of wide-body a/c.
7. LATAM will operate newer and more efficient a/c.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 14810 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
7. LATAM will operate newer and more efficient a/c.

Depends on which airline you are comparing them too. When looking at their largest competitor in South/Central America, no, LATAM is and will not be operating newer or more efficient aircraft. Not now and not in the future.

A388

[Edited 2012-06-22 12:33:23]

User currently offlineogre727 From UK - England, joined Feb 2005, 726 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 14733 times:

So both alliances have very new aircraft... Lets improve the discussion level kids


Sigh
User currently offlinejrosa From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 367 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 14678 times:

Nobody talks about alliances. But (if I'm not wrong) a court from Chile ruled that Lan and Tam would not be allowed to be members of the same alliance of Avianca/Taca (a full Star Alliance member since Jun 21, 2012). Therefore, this ruling puts Tam out of Star Alliance.

Does anyone know if Tam will really leave Star Alliance?

If it will leave Star Alliance, when will it happen?

What's the future of Tam? One World or a non-alliance airline?

[Edited 2012-06-22 13:09:35]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 14633 times:

Quoting jrosa (Reply 9):
Does anyone know if Tam will really leave Star Alliance?

Yes, JJ and PZ are required to leave the Star alliance.

Quoting jrosa (Reply 9):
If it will leave Star Alliance, when will it happen?

LATAM Airlines S.A. will be invited to join the oneworld by a fellow oneworld carrier. LAN cannot invite TAM to join the oneworld alliance.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 14382 times:

Quoting jrosa (Reply 9):
Nobody talks about alliances. But (if I'm not wrong) a court from Chile ruled that Lan and Tam would not be allowed to be members of the same alliance of Avianca/Taca (a full Star Alliance member since Jun 21, 2012). Therefore, this ruling puts Tam out of Star Alliance.

Does anyone know if Tam will really leave Star Alliance?

If it will leave Star Alliance, when will it happen?

What's the future of Tam? One World or a non-alliance airline?

Yes, TAM can no longer legally remain in Star Alliance. The TDLC's ruling on the LAN-TAM merger has given TAM 24 months (starting April 2012) to exit Star and follow the requirements related to alliances. This also includes prohibiting the option of dual alliances (aka LAN cannot remain in OneWorld while TAM joins SkyTeam, etc).

As such, the scenarios will either be LAN remains in OneWorld and TAM remains unaligned, TAM joins LAN in OneWorld, or the combined carrier will exit the alliance realm entirely. Another possibility, although highly unlikely, is that the combined carrier exits and joins SkyTeam. While legal, I don't believe options 3 and 4 will occur in the slightest. #1 and 2 are far more likely.

OneWorld has far more to lose if LAN were to exit than Star will undoubtedly experience when TAM exits. Not only is TAM's membership in Star far newer, but also some of the loss will be recouped by the entrance of AV-TA and CM. Whereas with OneWorld, the relationships with LAN and other OW affiliates are far more entrenched and the connectivity between OneWorld hubs and LAN (SYD, MAD, DFW, MIA, LAX, JFK) are highly lucrative.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 14302 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 16):
OneWorld has far more to lose if LAN were to exit than Star will undoubtedly experience when TAM exits. Not only is TAM's membership in Star far newer, but also some of the loss will be recouped by the entrance of AV-TA and CM.

However, it should be noted that AV-TA-CM can hardly grow at GRU in order to provide feed to other Star carriers since the airport is highly congested. By acquiring TAM, LAN now has a major hub at GRU with a healthy portfolio of slots.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 13456 times:

Some more information about LATAM Airlines Group S.A. LATAM would control 40% of passenger traffic within South America and would be the second largest airline "by passengers" after American Airlines on routes between South America and the U.S.

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Airline consolidation took another step forward Friday with the stock-swap takeover of Brazilian airline TAM SA by Chile's LAN Airlines SA, creating South America's largest carrier by traffic, with an estimated market capitalization of $13 billion, the largest of any airline in the world. The new company, Latam Airlines Group SA, encompasses airlines in six South American nations and has four major hubs—São Paulo, Lima, Santiago and Bogotá. Latam would control 40% of the passenger traffic within South America and be the second-largest airline by passengers after American Airlines on routes to the U.S. and third-largest to Europe.

LATAM's CEO states that the "combined capacity" of LATAM will allow the airline to leverage agreements with U.S. and European airlines:

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Enrique Cueto, Latam's chief executive, said the combined capacity puts the airline in a better position to negotiate network agreements with U.S. and European airlines. "Every airline is trying to fly to Brazil or Latin America," he said, and will need Latam flights to connect to cites across South America. "This is a growth merger," said Mr. Cueto. It gives LAN access to the Brazilian market, the largest in the region. Only 3% of the two airlines's routes overlap, mainly on flights from São Paulo to Santiago and Buenos Aires. It also brings LAN's regional affiliates in Peru, Argentina, Ecuador and Colombia into the combined company's mix, offering opportunities to route their passengers to TAM's flights.

LATAM's CEO reiterates that LATAM needs "strong partners" both in the U.S. and in Europe:

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LAN is a member of Oneworld, a group that includes AMR Corp.'s American Airlines and British Airways and Spain's Iberia. Latam was expected to move TAM into Oneworld. Mr. Cueto said on Friday that a final decision hasn't been make. "We need very strong partners in the U.S. and Europe. We will negotiate to get the best deal. If they are in the same alliance, bingo, easy decision for us." If not, "we have to think about what is best for us." He said it isn't a foregone conclusion that Latam will stay in Oneworld and said there are several options.
Merger Reshapes Latin Air Market


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11941 times:

LAN And TAM Together:

El peso de Latam, tras la fusión

LATAM board of directors chair Mauricio Rolim Amaro and LAN's CEO Ignacio Cueto recently gave some details regarding the immediate future of LATAM Airlines Group:

*Negotiations have been going on for over eight years to create LATAM!

*LATAM is focused on lowering its debt ratio and generating synergies immediately. LATAM will not discuss its current profits. However, both LAN and TAM posted profits during Q1 as separate entities.

*The alliance options are still open, LATAM could join OneWorld, TAM may stay unaligned, or LATAM may consider joining SkyTeam.

*When Brazil increases foreign ownership laws to reach 49% of foreign investment; LAN's CEO states that LAN will increase ownership in TAM up to the maximum cap.

*In the short term, LATAM is not planning on opening a new hub. LATAM is focused on increasing connectivity at existing hubs. LATAM states that there's strong potential in launching new regional routes within South America; as well as the possibility of launching new long-haul routes from its hubs at BOG, BSB, GIG, GRU, LIM, and SCL.

Ignacio Cueto y Mauricio Rolim Amaro detallan los próximos pasos del gigante Latam


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11834 times:

Interesting development. I wonder if we can expect some new routes from LATAM's main hubs in the near future.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11761 times:

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 20):
Interesting development. I wonder if we can expect some new routes from LATAM's main hubs in the near future.

LATAM is increasing frequencies and capacity on routes from BOG, BSB, GIG, GRU, GYE, LIM, SCL, UIO, etc. LAN Colombia recently launched BOG-GRU 2x weekly and will increase frequency to 6x weekly in September and plans to launch BOG-MAD daily. TAM will increase frequencies on the BSB-MIA, CNF-MIA, GIG-JFK, GIG-FRA, and GIG-CDG routes all to daily services. TAM also plans to launch GIG-MCO daily. LAN will increase frequency on the SCL-COR, SCL-GRU, SCL-GIG, SCL-EZE, SCL-MIA, SCL-MVD, SCL-CUN-MIA, SCL-PUJ-MIA, LIM-LAX, LIM-MIA, LIM-JFK, and LIM-UIO routes. With 2K cutting domestic and international flights in Ecuador, LAN Ecuador will increase frequencies on domestic routes within Ecuador dramatically, i.e. the UIO-GYE and UIO-CUE routes. The GYE-JFK route will also increase to 11x weekly as well. LAN has also publicly mentioned that it is interested in opening direct routes between SCL and both BCN and FCO with the B-787s.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10852 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
However, it should be noted that AV-TA-CM can hardly grow at GRU in order to provide feed to other Star carriers since the airport is highly congested. By acquiring TAM, LAN now has a major hub at GRU with a healthy portfolio of slots.

I'd argue that it's a double-edged sword. On one hand, it is a victory for LAN to now have a hub at GRU with a healthy portfolio of slots; however, on the other hand the growth opportunities in SAO are obviously limited. Moreover, as part of the second phase of the AV-TA integration into Star, Avianca-Brasil will be making its way into the alliance, which will obviously provide some leverage for Star into Brasil.

Whereas for AV-TA-CM, the only challenge with slot restrictions will occur at BOG (correct me if I am wrong). While arguably Brazil is the more important market, AV-TA and CM will dominate the Colombian market as well as PTY, a critical link for intra-American traffic. Hopefully, LAN Colombia will continue to grow and be integrated into OneWorld at some point, increasing OW's footprint in the Northern Latin America realm.

Regardless, all the moving parts in Latin America will be VERY interesting to watch over the years. AR joining ST soon, and G3 moving closer to DL. To a smaller degree, the merger between Azul and TRIP, as well as the other integrations of smaller subsidiaries into the larger alliances.



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User currently offlineEI912 From Ireland, joined May 2012, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10615 times:

I may have missed the answer to this somewhere, but are there any plans to streamline the LA/JJ brands into one? I think LATAM in the current LAN branding would definitely be the more appealing option.

User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10542 times:

Quoting EI912 (Reply 15):
are there any plans to streamline the LA/JJ brands into one?

None as far as I know.

.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 14):
AV-TA and CM will dominate the Colombian market as well as PTY, a critical link for intra-American traffic.

Not to mention LIM, which has become a battlefield between Star Alliance (TACA) and Oneworld (LAN).

[Edited 2012-06-23 15:01:23]


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10558 times:

Fitch cuts Latam, upgrades Tam  http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/201...-latam-upgrades-tam/#axzz1yejO6TCE

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 16):

Not to mention LIM, which has become a battlefield between Star Alliance (TACA) and Oneworld (LAN).

LIM has never had better air service. It's a great thing for LIM and Peru to host such a battle.



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User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2749 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10378 times:

Wouldn't it have just been easier to call it "LANTAM", rather than LATAM? Seems to make more sense. Or does LATAM actually stand for something?

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10362 times:

Quoting EI912 (Reply 15):
but are there any plans to streamline the LA/JJ brands into one?

I would hope not. I would(and hopefully the Brazilians also) rather see a distinctly Brazilian brand instead of the generic Chilean one.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10344 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 18):
Or does LATAM actually stand for something?

Latin America. Very logical name in my opinion.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10346 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 18):Or does LATAM actually stand for something?


Latin America. Very logical name in my opinion.

I have to agree that I think it is a much better name than LANTAM for that reason ( and it also rolls off the tongue more easily)



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10307 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 14):
I'd argue that it's a double-edged sword. On one hand, it is a victory for LAN to now have a hub at GRU with a healthy portfolio of slots; however, on the other hand the growth opportunities in SAO are obviously limited.

The benefit of dominating GRU far outweighs the downside of limited growth.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 14):
...AV-TA and CM will dominate the Colombian market.... Hopefully, LAN Colombia will continue to grow and be integrated into OneWorld at some point, increasing OW's footprint in the Northern Latin America realm.

AV's domination of Colombia will only go unchallenged for a limited period of time. 4C should be adding 15 aircraft this year. In addition, LA will continue to leverage their presence from the rest of S. America into Colombia to bolster their visibility since LAN appears as one brand. That said I don't expect much to happen with 4C for the foreseeable future as LAN has to finish integrating JJ.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10216 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 14):
I'd argue that it's a double-edged sword. On one hand, it is a victory for LAN to now have a hub at GRU with a healthy portfolio of slots; however, on the other hand the growth opportunities in SAO are obviously limited.

While GRU is slot restricted and severely congested we might see LAN Cargo transferring cargo flights completely over to VCP. Also, TAM may increase capacity on certain domestic and international flights at GRU, and may decrease frequency on certain domestic flights in order for LATAM to increase international flights. CGH is also dominated by TAM. TAM may focus on increasing international flights from other Brazilian airports, including BSB, CNF, and especially GIG. TAM is increasing frequencies on certain flights from GIG and will launch new international routes from GIG. JJ plans on launching GIG-MCO later this year.

LATAM is spread out throughout the continent and maintains flexibility in growing their businesses. The domestic and international markets are growing significantly in Chile and Perú. Of course LAN is the dominant carrier in these markets and is increasing frequencies on many domestic and international routes out of both LIM and SCL. LAN is also increasing point to point domestic flights in both Chile and Perú bypassing LIM and SCL, and will increase capacity on various routes due to the increase in traffic. LAN is phasing out the A-318s and will receive A-321s starting next year in order to increase capacity in these markets, as well as other markets. Also, LAN is increasingly operating certain regional routes with the B763s and has 12 more B763s on order.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10079 times:

During 2013, LATAM will launch 10 new international routes:
Máximos ejecutivos de LAN y TAM hablan tras la fusión: "En 2013 abriremos 10 nuevas rutas internacionales"


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10148 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 24):
During 2013, LATAM will launch 10 new international routes:
Máximos ejecutivos de LAN y TAM hablan tras la fusión: "En 2013 abriremos 10 nuevas rutas internacionales"

It seems like you need a subscription to El Mercurio to read that news article. Still, that's exciting news. Hopefully, London will be finally launched from LIM and/or SCL.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 26, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10148 times:

It states that LAN and TAM will integrate their respective routes and will increase frequencies on more routes. It also states that some of the new routes will be within South America and some routes will be long-haul routes from GRU, GIG and from other cities in Latin America.

Quote:
"Todo pasa a ser más simple para el cliente. Como decimos en aviación es un one stop shop . El cliente con reserva, va del interior de Brasil a Nueva Zelandia, eso no era posible antes. No podíamos mezclar nuestros acuerdos de vuelo a los destinos internacionales que pertenecían a otras alianzas. Entonces los vuelos TAM y LAN pueden integrarse. A esto se suma la posibilidad de poner más vuelos, lo que no era posible. Tenemos un plan para 2013 que contempla la creación de 10 nuevas rutas internacionales. Son rutas en Sudamérica y de largo alcance a partir de Sao Paulo o Río y otras ciudades de Latinoamérica, que solas LAN o TAM no podían volar".


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2749 posts, RR: 4
Reply 27, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10205 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
Very logical name in my opinion.

But then, so is LANTAM, where LAN+TAM = LANTAM

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 21):
( and it also rolls off the tongue more easily)

I think there's more space for ambiguity - the clipped 'a' or the long 'a'? Where does the emphasis go? The 'La' or the 'Tam'? Or is it 'Lat' vs 'Am', in which case is starts to sound a little French?

I guess the same goes for LANTAM, but I just think its more obvious given familiarity with the existing names, whereas LATAM is effectively a new word.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 28, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10143 times:

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 25):
It seems like you need a subscription to El Mercurio to read that news article. Still, that's exciting news. Hopefully, London will be finally launched from LIM and/or SCL.

LAN has evaluated opening SCL-LHR and LIM-LHR to link up with British Airways at LHR. It would also enhance BA's network between LHR and South America. TAM currently operates GRU-LHR and GIG-LHR, thus LHR is already part of LATAM's network. However, obtaining slots at LHR is not an easy task...

I would not rule out LIM-BCN, SCL-BCN and/or SCL-GRU-BCN; especially if LATAM enters into a code-share agreement with VY. It should be noted that routes to/from South America and BCN also cater to VFR traffic. Rome is also being evaluated by LATAM. Routes such as SCL-FCO and/or SCL-GRU-FCO are viewed as "attractive".

LATAM's current route network to Europe with pertinent connections in South America:


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4620 posts, RR: 4
Reply 29, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9518 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
LATAM's primary goal is to increase connectivity with-in South America by launching new regional routes and increasing frequencies on certain regional and domestic routes; and also to stimulate air travel with-in the region and into the region.

Both LAN and TAM have a good connectivity in South America at this time. What kind of routes would LATAM stimulate there in the future?




.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
AV-TA-CM can hardly grow at GRU in order to provide feed to other Star carriers since the airport is highly congested

GRU is not a base for AV-TA-CM. The possibility would be Avianca Brasil even though they're not forming part of Star Alliance for the meantime.

Regards.



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User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days ago) and read 9363 times:

I wonder if they are able to start a new trip sale for this season.
I think they do not have a flexible capacity for that.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 31, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9276 times:

On a conversation with Valor, Brazilian business newspaper, Enrique Cueto said that it's a possibility for LATAM to go completely independent, having LAN leave Oneworld and TAM leave Star.
On the same conversation, Mauricio Amaro said that LATAM will analyse TAP's sale conditions.

http://www.valor.com.br/empresas/272...tam-tem-interesse-em-edital-da-tap


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 32, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9202 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 29):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
LATAM's primary goal is to increase connectivity with-in South America by launching new regional routes and increasing frequencies on certain regional and domestic routes; and also to stimulate air travel with-in the region and into the region.

Both LAN and TAM have a good connectivity in South America at this time. What kind of routes would LATAM stimulate there in the future?

More regional routes within South America, i.e. BOG-GIG, LIM-CNF, LIM-CWB, LIM-GIG, LIM-POA, perhaps LIM-BSB will resume...

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 29):
GRU is not a base for AV-TA-CM. The possibility would be Avianca Brasil even though they're not forming part of Star Alliance for the meantime.

How many daily departures does O6 currently operate from GRU? Will O6 launch routes such as GRU-AEP, GRU-ASU, GRU-CGR, GRU-CNF, GRU-CWB, GRU-EZE, GRU-IGU, GRU-LDB, GRU-MAO, GRU-MVD, GRU-VIX, etc.?


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 33, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8964 times:

LATAM Airlines Group S.A. has launched a new website with facts and information about the new company: http://www.latamairlinesgroup.net/

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 34, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8787 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 32):
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 29):
GRU is not a base for AV-TA-CM. The possibility would be Avianca Brasil even though they're not forming part of Star Alliance for the meantime.


How many daily departures does O6 currently operate from GRU? Will O6 launch routes such as GRU-AEP, GRU-ASU, GRU-CGR, GRU-CNF, GRU-CWB, GRU-EZE, GRU-IGU, GRU-LDB, GRU-MAO, GRU-MVD, GRU-VIX, etc.?

Time will tell how O6 will expand or not.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 35, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8547 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 34):
Time will tell how O6 will expand or not.

Indeed, it will be very interesting to see how O6 expands their operations at São Paulo-Guarulhos; especially since GOL-Webjet and Azul-Trip have merged leaving O6 in the dust, so to speak.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 36, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8537 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 35):
Indeed, it will be very interesting to see how O6 expands their operations at São Paulo-Guarulhos; especially since GOL-Webjet and Azul-Trip have merged leaving O6 in the dust, so to speak.

Yes, let's see what time brings us.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 37, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8331 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 31):
On a conversation with Valor, Brazilian business newspaper, Enrique Cueto said that it's a possibility for LATAM to go completely independent, having LAN leave Oneworld and TAM leave Star.

Have you noticed that another carrier that planned to significantly boost flights into both GRU and GIG from the U.S. recently pulled those new additional frequencies...


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 38, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8254 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 37):
Have you noticed that another carrier that planned to significantly boost flights into both GRU and GIG from the U.S. recently pulled those new additional frequencies...

What are you talking about?


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 39, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8254 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 38):


Quoting SCL767 (Reply 37):
Have you noticed that another carrier that planned to significantly boost flights into both GRU and GIG from the U.S. recently pulled those new additional frequencies...

What are you talking about?

MIA-GIG 2x daily, JFK-GRU 2x daily, DFW-GRU...


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 40, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8191 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 39):
MIA-GIG 2x daily, JFK-GRU 2x daily, DFW-GRU...

I haven't seen anything in that regard.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 41, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8172 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 40):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 39):
MIA-GIG 2x daily, JFK-GRU 2x daily, DFW-GRU...

I haven't seen anything in that regard.
DFW-GRU is planned to increase to 12x weekly, MIA-GIG is planned to increase to 2x daily, JFK-GRU is planned to increase to 2x daily. Yet some of these frequencies no longer appear in the schedule. Is this a slot issue at GRU?

[Edited 2012-06-25 15:43:32]

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 42, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8062 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 31):
On a conversation with Valor, Brazilian business newspaper, Enrique Cueto said that it's a possibility for LATAM to go completely independent, having LAN leave Oneworld and TAM leave Star.
On the same conversation, Mauricio Amaro said that LATAM will analyse TAP's sale conditions.

Well, TAM is definitively leaving Star - it is no longer legal for them to be in Star Alliance, period.

IMO, it would be stupid for LAN to leave OneWorld, but at the end of the day, OW needs LAN more than LAN needs OW.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 43, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7997 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 42):
it is no longer legal for them to be in Star Alliance, period.

Not, actually. They may stay for another 22 months.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 41):
Is this a slot issue at GRU?

Not really, frequencies have been allocated.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 44, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7961 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 43):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 41):
Is this a slot issue at GRU?

Not really, frequencies have been allocated.

Perhaps AA is "posturing" with LATAM or will reload the new frequencies to increase their dominance on the routes between the U.S. and Brazil. Also, TAM hasn't loaded their new frequencies into the U.S. as yet. LA has loaded their new frequencies already.

Currently, for the NW season LATAM will operate 94 weekly flights into MIA and 49 weekly flights into JFK:

LAN Airlines:
SCL-MIA 2x daily B763
SCL-CUN-MIA 2x weekly B763
SCL-PUJ-MIA 2x weekly B763
SCL-CCS-MIA weekly B763
SCL-GYE-CCS-MIA weekly B763
SCL-JFK daily B763
SCL-LIM-JFK daily B763

LAN Argentina:
EZE-MIA daily B763
EZE-PUJ-MIA weekly B763

LAN Colombia:
BOG-MIA daily A320

LAN Ecuador:
UIO-MIA daily B763
GYE-JFK 11x weekly B763

LAN Perú:
LIM-MIA 17x weekly B763
LIM-JFK 4x weekly B763

TAM Linhas Aéreas:
GIG-MIA daily B763
GRU-MIA 2x daily B77W
BSB-MIA 4x weekly B763
CNF-MIA 3x weekly B763
MAO-MIA daily B763
GRU-JFK 2x daily A332
GIG-JFK 6x weekly A332

Source: amadeus.net

[Edited 2012-06-25 18:27:19]

User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4620 posts, RR: 4
Reply 45, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 7866 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 34):
Time will tell how O6 will expand or not.

The point is that Avianca Brasil is all what Star Alliance would find for their domestic flights.
I'm aware that its domestic coverage is not as extensive to compete with other airlines. Therefore, the growth of Avianca Brasil is necessary, in order to meet the standards of the alliance.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 46, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 7861 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 45):
Therefore, the growth of Avianca Brasil is necessary, in order to meet the standards of the alliance.

Considering that most Star carriers primarily operate into São Paulo-Guarulhos, how will O6 grow their operations at GRU in order to provide adequate connections? Also, when will O6 completely phase out their aging fleet of F-100s?


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4620 posts, RR: 4
Reply 47, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 7806 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 46):
how will O6 grow their operations at GRU in order to provide adequate connections?

Well, it's very complicated to debate it.
Star Alliance will indeed lose a big chunk of the domestic market in Brazil and it could be very hard to replace it.
The departure of TAM from Star Alliance was always predictable given the imminent entrance of AV-TA-CM that was confirmed on June 21st.
Perhaps LAN-TAM was the elector, not Star Alliance. This topic is full of complexity because such group is able to work successfully in other regions of South America. However, the domestic market in Brazil will be one of their new weaknesses.


Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 48, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7764 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 47):
Perhaps LAN-TAM was the elector, not Star Alliance

LAN was not involved in that decision since it is not part of Star. However, TAM would have objected since they are part of the Star Alliance; and is still a full member of the Star Alliance.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 47):
This topic is full of complexity because such group is able to work successfully in other regions of South America. However, the domestic market in Brazil will be one of their new weaknesses.

The AV-TA group will have a lot of work to do in order to gain significant market-share in the Brazilian domestic and international markets due to the recent mergers of GOL-Webjet and Azul-Trip, plus the continuing increase of foreign carriers entering and increasing flights into Brazil. It would also be interesting to see LATAM and AviancaTaca bidding for TAP. The group also faces significant challenges in the Peruvian domestic and international markets and is very weak in the growing Chilean market. Also, LATAM does have a size-able presence in the Argentine domestic and international markets and LAN is beginning to increase flights in the Ecuadorian domestic and international markets.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 49, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7746 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 43):
Not, actually. They may stay for another 22 months.

Yes, I realize this. But not long term. The days are numbered, period. Are we going to really get into semantics on this one?

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 47):
Star Alliance will indeed lose a big chunk of the domestic market in Brazil and it could be very hard to replace it.

Star will basically see its share of the Brazilian domestic market drop from 35% to 5%, and its international share of the Brazilian market slide from 40% to 23% as a result of TAM's exit from the alliance, which indeed is huge.

I still maintain, however, that this does create an opportunity for Avianca Brasil to step up their game. Beforehand, TAM had precluded them from joining Star, not wanting two Brazilian carriers in the alliance, but now that barrier has been lifted. Avianca Brasil also already has access to GRU, which is huge, and is present on the core domestic trunk routes in Brasil.

Additionally, Avianca Brazil may be a potential buyer for TAP, which would be a huge boon for Star to maintain critical access/presence on the Brazil-Portugal corridor. Avianca Brazil indeed is eager to join Star and strategically speaking, remains a viable alternative for Star to hold onto Brazil.



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 50, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7721 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 48):
The group also faces significant challenges in the Peruvian domestic and international markets and is very weak in the growing Chilean market. Also, LATAM does have a size-able presence in the Argentine domestic and international markets and LAN is beginning to increase flights in the Ecuadorian domestic and international markets.

Similarly, LATAM faces a huge challenge in the domestic Colombian market; they inherited a money-losing operation from Aires, and despite efforts they have not gained market share from Avianca, and LAN's overall load-factors in the Colombian market remains below 70% on almost every major route, very hard to think they are making any profit on those LFs even if they carry cargo. On the other hand, Avianca keeps expanding its route network, keeps a healthy 80% LF on domestic routes, and keeps adding perks like an additional VIP lounge for premiums in their domestic terminal.

Additionally, LATAM also has a very weak presence in Central America and the Caribbean overall.

So, plenty of work to do for both alliances, that's for sure.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 51, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7712 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 50):
Similarly, LATAM faces a huge challenge in the domestic Colombian market; they inherited a money-losing operation from Aires, and despite efforts they have not gained market share from Avianca, and LAN's overall load-factors in the Colombian market remains below 70% on almost every major route, very hard to think they are making any profit on those LFs even if they carry cargo. On the other hand, Avianca keeps expanding its route network, keeps a healthy 80% LF on domestic routes, and keeps adding perks like an additional VIP lounge for premiums in their domestic terminal.

Additionally, LATAM also has a very weak presence in Central America and the Caribbean overall.

IMO, it will even out between both groups. LATAM will dominate the Southern Cone, (including Brazil) and the Peruvian markets, while AV-TA has Colombia and Central America "bottled up". LAN Colombia will increase capacity on domestic routes within Colombia with more A320s replacing B737-700s and will increase international operations in the Colombian market in order to increase feed on domestic flights. AV's code-share with IB will most likely end very soon; which will benefit LAN Colombia's domestic and international operations. Should LAN Colombia code-share with AA on the BOG-MIA route, launch BOG-MAD and code-share with IB, Oneworld would dominate these important routes. Also, have you noticed that LAN Colombia's LFs on the BOG-MIA route are over 82%? Plus, AV is facing increasing competition from the U.S. LCCs and can't even manage to operate BOG-MCO daily thanks to B6. NK is about to increase flights into BOG as well, plus Viva Colombia will also expand operations within Colombia. So AV will have to deal with increasing competition both in the domestic and international markets.

[Edited 2012-06-25 21:18:49]

User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 52, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7756 times:
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Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 49):
I still maintain, however, that this does create an opportunity for Avianca Brasil to step up their game. Beforehand, TAM had precluded them from joining Star, not wanting two Brazilian carriers in the alliance, but now that barrier has been lifted. Avianca Brasil also already has access to GRU, which is huge, and is present on the core domestic trunk routes in Brasil.

They have limited access to GRU, and given the congestion at that airport it is hard to see how they could obtain significant additional access, unless I have missed something.



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 53, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7721 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 51):
LAN Colombia will increase capacity on domestic routes within Colombia with more A320s replacing B737-700s and will increase international operations in the Colombian market in order to increase feed on domestic flights.

There is no certainty when and if this will actually happen. It's going to be 6 months now since LAN took over Aires and the only thing that has actually MATERIALIZED in their international operations is that they DOWNGRADED BOG-MIA from 4x weekly A320 + 3x weekly 763 to 7x weekly A320 with clearly inferior onboard product.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 51):
Should LAN Colombia code-share with AA on the BOG-MIA route, launch BOG-MAD and code-share with IB, Oneworld would dominate these important routes.

Obviously BOG-MIA is a key route, but Colombia is pretty unique in that Florida bound traffic is particularly scattered althroughout the country. Are there any concrete plans for LAN to enter these "secondary" routes such as MDE-MIA, CLO-MIA? Please refrain from using figures as "perhaps" or "most likely" if you don't actually have certain information.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 51):
Also, have you noticed that LAN Colombia's LFs on the BOG-MIA route are over 82%?

Yes, same as Avianca, who's entire North American operation has a 82% LF, obviously using bigger airfract deploying the A330-200 on BOG-MIA and BOG-JFK.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 54, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7696 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 53):
There is no certainty when and if this will actually happen. It's going to be 6 months now since LAN took over Aires and the only thing that has actually MATERIALIZED in their international operations is that they DOWNGRADED BOG-MIA from 4x weekly A320 + 3x weekly 763 to 7x weekly A320 with clearly inferior onboard product.


LAN Colombia's MIA-BOG route still has high LFs with an "inferior product". It's funny how on this an other threads the trend is to bash LAN's product. Also, by dropping the tag-on on the SCL-BOG-MIA route, LAN is actually INCREASING capacity on the SCL-BOG route. Also, LAN Colombia recently launched BOG-GRU 2x weekly, which increases to 6x weekly in September. Thus, LATAM will offer 13 weekly non-stop flights between BOG and GRU.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 53):
Are there any concrete plans for LAN to enter these "secondary" routes such as MDE-MIA, CLO-MIA? Please refrain from using figures as "perhaps" or "most likely" if you don't actually have certain information.

Has LAN Colombia applied for these routes with Aerocivil? However, LAN does sell AA operated flights on these routes. Similarly, AA sells all LAN Colombia operated flights on their website.



Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 53):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 51):
Also, have you noticed that LAN Colombia's LFs on the BOG-MIA route are over 82%?

Yes, same as Avianca, who's entire North American operation has a 82% LF, obviously using bigger airfract deploying the A330-200 on BOG-MIA and BOG-JFK.

LAN will obviously deploy brand new B-767-316ERs to its Colombian subsidiary this year. Where will they be deployed besides MAD...


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 55, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 54):
LAN Colombia's MIA-BOG route still has high LFs with an "inferior product". It's funny how on this an other threads the trend is to bash LAN's product.

Does LAN offer Business Class with lie-flat seats on its BOG-MIA route? Does LAN offer personal PTVs in every seat onboard its aircraft in BOG-MIA?

The answers are pretty clear. When and if LAN upgrades this route to 763 then we can reconsider things, for now we can move on.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 56, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7671 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 55):
Does LAN offer Business Class with lie-flat seats on its BOG-MIA route? Does LAN offer personal PTVs in every seat onboard its aircraft in BOG-MIA?

It's called Premium Economy Class. Visit LAN.com for more information. Does AviancaTaca offer a Premium Business Class product with lie-flat seats on its LIM-CCS, LIM-EZE, LIM-GRU, LIM-GYE, LIM-MEX, LIM-MIA, LIM-SCL routes?

[Edited 2012-06-25 22:43:33]

User currently offlineCamiloA380 From Sweden, joined Feb 2008, 486 posts, RR: 25
Reply 57, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7584 times:

Things will certainly get interesting now with LATAM going online!

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
7. LATAM will operate newer and more efficient a/c.



Dream on, but wake up one day please.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 51):
LAN Colombia will increase capacity on domestic routes within Colombia with more A320s replacing B737-700s and will increase international operations in the Colombian market in order to increase feed on domestic flights.



You always say these kind of things, and it feels like I'm reading a bad article with an excessive use of the words "increase"... "dominate"... "planning". You never explain the whole picture, more like, you tell us LAN is heaven.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 53):
with clearly inferior onboard product



Finally, thank you. No one can deny that AV has a better product than LAN on short haul planes. AV and AeroGal has better IFE onboard the A32X family planes, fact.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 54):
LAN Colombia's MIA-BOG route still has high LFs



And that's the only route...

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 54):
with an "inferior product".



Just like Ryanair against its legacy competitors. 
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 54):
It's funny how on this an other threads the trend is to bash LAN's product



It's called realism, the only thing you do is tell us how LAN is such an angel and how the other airlines (especially in South America) doesn't come close to it. So therefore we want to explain the whole picture so that at least its interesting for the many people reading the forums.
You always start topics such as "AeroGal losing ground", "Pluna about to explode" because obviously, those are good news for you, so excuse me, who's bashing?

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 54):
LAN Colombia recently launched BOG-GRU 2x weekly, which increases to 6x weekly in September



With A320/73G so, say with me...bye bye premium traffic.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 55):
When and if LAN upgrades this route to 763 then we can reconsider things, for now we can move on.



Exactly.



Flying4Ever!
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 58, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7543 times:

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 57):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
7. LATAM will operate newer and more efficient a/c.



Dream on, but wake up one day please.

LATAM is incorporating newer and more efficient a/c for their respective routes. For example, the B-787-8 will operate the SCL-MAD-FRA route replacing the A-343s on that route. TAM will deploy the A332s on various routes to MIA; along with the new B77Ws on the GRU-MIA route.

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 57):
You never explain the whole picture, more like, you tell us LAN is heaven.

LAN Colombia currently has a jet fleet of 6 A-320s and 6 B-737-700s. The A-320s are deployed on various routes such as BOG-ADZ, BOG-BAQ, BOG-BGA, BOG-CLO, BOG-CTG, BOG-LET, BOG-MDE, etc. The A-320s seat more passengers than the B-737-700s; which represents an increase in capacity on various routes within Colombia. Routes such as BOG-ADZ, BOG-BGA, BOG-CLO, BOG-CTG, BOG-MDE, etc. have increased in frequency.

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 57):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 54):
LAN Colombia's MIA-BOG route still has high LFs



And that's the only route...

Nope! Many flights are heavily booked, remember that this Summer season in Colombia.

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 57):

It's called realism, the only thing you do is tell us how LAN is such an angel and how the other airlines (especially in South America) doesn't come close to it. So therefore we want to explain the whole picture so that at least its interesting for the many people reading the forums.
You always start topics such as "AeroGal losing ground", "Pluna about to explode" because obviously, those are good news for you, so excuse me, who's bashing?

These are facts. LAN Ecuador will increase frequency on the UIO-GYE and UIO-CUE routes offering more daily departures than 2K, since 2K recently cut flights within Ecuador and dropped the GYE-JFK route. LAN Ecuador will increase frequency on the GYE-JFK route from 7x weekly to 11x weekly this year. Pluna is in a huge mess right now. Hopefully the government will continue to bail them out so that they are still operating in the future.

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 57):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 54):
LAN Colombia recently launched BOG-GRU 2x weekly, which increases to 6x weekly in September



With A320/73G so, say with me...bye bye premium traffic.

Both LAN and TAM will operate BOG-GRU 13x weekly with the A-320s starting in September. JJ has a full J class and LAN offers the same Premium Economy Class that is already operating on many routes within South America, i.e. SCL-GRU, SCL-EZE, SCL-GIG, SCL-LIM, SCL-MVD, SCL-AEP, LIM-BOG, LIM-UIO-CLO, LIM-UIO-MDE, etc.

Saludos,

[Edited 2012-06-26 01:28:25]

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 59, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7350 times:

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 57):
You always say these kind of things, and it feels like I'm reading a bad article with an excessive use of the words "increase"... "dominate"... "planning". You never explain the whole picture, more like, you tell us LAN is heaven.
Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 57):
It's called realism, the only thing you do is tell us how LAN is such an angel and how the other airlines (especially in South America) doesn't come close to it. So therefore we want to explain the whole picture so that at least its interesting for the many people reading the forums.
You always start topics such as "AeroGal losing ground", "Pluna about to explode" because obviously, those are good news for you, so excuse me, who's bashing?

Excellent post CamiloA380. Well said. SCL767 defends LAN through thick and thin which is okay until it starts overblowing everything. Clearly a dream world.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 58):

LATAM is incorporating newer and more efficient a/c for their respective routes. For example, the B-787-8 will operate the SCL-MAD-FRA route replacing the A-343s on that route. TAM will deploy the A332s on various routes to MIA; along with the new B77Ws on the GRU-MIA route.

And AV will get the 787-8 as well for their route network...

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 58):

LAN Colombia currently has a jet fleet of 6 A-320s and 6 B-737-700s. The A-320s are deployed on various routes such as BOG-ADZ, BOG-BAQ, BOG-BGA, BOG-CLO, BOG-CTG, BOG-LET, BOG-MDE, etc. The A-320s seat more passengers than the B-737-700s; which represents an increase in capacity on various routes within Colombia. Routes such as BOG-ADZ, BOG-BGA, BOG-CLO, BOG-CTG, BOG-MDE, etc. have increased in frequency.

And you're saying what?

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 58):

Nope! Many flights are heavily booked, remember that this Summer season in Colombia.

Are you sure about this?

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 58):

These are facts. LAN Ecuador will increase frequency on the UIO-GYE and UIO-CUE routes offering more daily departures than 2K, since 2K recently cut flights within Ecuador and dropped the GYE-JFK route. LAN Ecuador will increase frequency on the GYE-JFK route from 7x weekly to 11x weekly this year. Pluna is in a huge mess right now. Hopefully the government will continue to bail them out so that they are still operating in the future.

And the praising into the heavens continues...

A388


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 60, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7307 times:

SCL767, it is probably better you don't loose your time answering to certain posts. There are some members in this forum ( a very little number, but there are some ) who have a very sensitive skin regarding the success of LAN, basically because they mix their emotions and national pride with the objective facts in the aviation business sector in this part of the world. The disastrous shape of their "flag carriers" like AR and PU while LAN is becoming an example of success and keeps growing is a pill really hard to swallow for them, and there is zero chance that you can change their minds, not even with kind words of facts. Just move on, save time and talk about the interesting things ahead.

Rgds.

G.



80 Knots...V1...Rotate...Gear Up...DC-3 / EMB-110 / Fairchild-227 / Ab318-19-20 / B732 / B763
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 61, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7315 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 59):


A388, this thread is focused on LATAM Airlines Group S.A. and the new options that many passengers finally have to connect not only within Latin America, but to new destinations throughout the world. It's also exciting for many customers since this combination will serve as a vehicle for LATAM to open new destinations throughout the world that were not possible before LAN and TAM combined into LATAM Airlines.

Quoting A388 (Reply 59):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 58):

Nope! Many flights are heavily booked, remember that this Summer season in Colombia.

Are you sure about this?

Why would LAN Colombia increase capacity and frequencies on various routes if there wasn't demand? Also, LAN Colombia is promoting travel to Colombia in various South American countries, and around the world. A great thing about the combination is that more Chileans, Peruvians, Brazilians, and other nationals will travel to Colombia in increasing numbers. Yes, the restructuring at LAN Ecuador is complete and LAN is promoting travel to Ecuador. For example, passengers from distant destinations such as Germany and Australia are increasingly visiting Ecuador to visit destinations such as the Galapagos.

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 60):
LAN is becoming an example of success and keeps growing is a pill really hard to swallow for them, and there is zero chance that you can change their minds, not even with kind words of facts. Just move on, save time and talk about the interesting things ahead.

I have no issues if members ask sensible questions; but one thing is a certain FACT, LATAM is the ONLY true South American Airline Group with affiliates in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Paraguay, and Perú.

[Edited 2012-06-26 05:22:47]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 62, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7291 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 60):

Just stating facts that others would like to ignore.

Anyways, here are the destinations that LAN operates into in 5 different countries in South America, (now only if I had a TAM route map to show how vast LATAM's South American network has become):




Courtesy of LAN Airlines


User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7253 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 54):
LAN Colombia's MIA-BOG route still has high LFs with an "inferior product". It's funny how on this an other threads the trend is to bash LAN's product.

I don't see this as bashing though. It is just true facts. AV have a "superior product" in their narrowbody fleet - J class seats and PTVs in J and Y, including for the domestic market. LAN and LAN Colombia have none of this in their narrowbody fleet. So of course, on international routes, I will prefer AV's narrowbody than LAN's.

Regards


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 64, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7246 times:

Quoting troest (Reply 66):
I don't see this as bashing though. It is just true facts. AV have a "superior product" in their narrowbody fleet - J class seats and PTVs in J and Y, including for the domestic market. LAN and LAN Colombia have none of this in their narrowbody fleet. So of course, on international routes, I will prefer AV's narrowbody than LAN's.

Competition is a great thing and you will be happy to know that LAN Colombia will be operating new B-767-316ERs on international routes, including the MIA and the GRU routes soon.


User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7210 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 67):
Competition is a great thing and you will be happy to know that LAN Colombia will be operating new B-767-316ERs on international routes, including the MIA and the GRU routes soon.

We all know that LAN only offers a premium product in widebodies. Just making clear, there is a huge difference in AV's and LAN's narrowbody product. AV also offers brand new A332 and A320/319 and soon B787, all equipped with J seats and PTVs in J and Y to MIA and GRU

Regards.

[Edited 2012-06-26 06:10:32]

[Edited 2012-06-26 06:17:18]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 66, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

LATAM currently has a fleet of 310 aircraft with 240 aircraft on order. Thus, LATAM will eventually operate a younger and more efficient fleet of aircraft; which will benefit the company and passengers who travel on LATAM's various affiliates. More information about LATAM's fleet is available here:
http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_...l/81/81136/fact/Fact_sheet_eng.pdf


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 67, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6741 times:
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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 68, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 66):
LATAM currently has a fleet of 310 aircraft with 240 aircraft on order. Thus, LATAM will eventually operate a younger and more efficient fleet of aircraft; which will benefit the company and passengers who travel on LATAM's various affiliates. More information about LATAM's fleet is available here:

Currently LATAM's fleet age is even older compared to AV/TA. With the orders both LATAM and AV have placed they will in the future also have similar aircraft fleet ages so LATAM isn't any younger, not now and not in the future. Please bare in mind that I'm only talking about the fleet age, not the fleet size.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 69, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6553 times:

TAM expected to leave Star by the end of this year. LAN and TAM will maintain their own brands and their respective domestic operations will remain independent.

On June 27, LANPASS members can earn and redeem kilometers on all TAM operated flights. TAM Fidelidade members can earn and redeem miles on all LAN operated flights.

In the next few weeks, it will be possible to purchase LAN and TAM tickets on each other's websites.

São Paulo-Guarulhos will be LATAM's main international hub.

Quote:
Each company will maintain its own brand and the domestic operations will be independent, said Enrique Cueto, president of Latam. It is up to Latam executives to consolidate finances, think up strategies for buying planes, and plan the integration of international networks and cargo operations. São Paulo will be the main international hub. LAN and its subsidiaries (Peru, Argentina, Colombia and Ecuador) "will feed" the international flights of TAM. This network will allow the launch of ten new flights by 2013. "These are flights that are not justified without the feeder network of LAN," says Amaro.
TAM joins LAN and says it will leave the Star Alliance


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 70, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6313 times:

Thanks for the link SCL767, other key sentences in this article ( although nothing official, shows very well the "feeling" in the sector about the moves of LATAM ) :

*As the exit of TAM was expected, the Star Alliance closed a deal with Avianca, an operation formalized on Thursday.

*After the Star Alliance is formally informed of the exit of TAM, which has not yet occurred, the actual withdrawal will occur in six months.

*The holding company was born as the second largest group in the sector by market value.

*Although treated as a merger by the Amaro (TAM) and Cueto (LAN) families, the operation is interpreted by the market as an acquisition of TAM by LAN.

*The shares will be traded on Chile's Santiago exchange, host city of the group.

*Each company will maintain its own brand and the domestic operations will be independent, said Enrique Cueto, president of Latam.


Rgds.

G.



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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 71, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

I'm not sure if this thread is looking LA vs AV or not, which of course will lead nowhere.
Fact: Lan is a great airline for sure... but so great that now we have almost no competition, and to spend a weekend in Buenos Aires is far more expensive than ever.

Premium economy is nothing more than an empty middle seat with hot meals while the rest of the aircraft receive a horrible cookie box or a sandwich. Lan did reduce fares, yes, LASER model has moved more pasengers than ever, but again, it's almost unexistant for weekends when you pay as much (actually even more) as before, with half the service.

As national of Chile of course I feel certain pride looking chilean companies succeed, but as consumer I'm not that enthusiastic, specially when I realize competition is there only for public relations, specially in domestic Chilean market, because moving 80% of domestic market is just outrageus...

As posted before, when I think of Avianca I recall my thoughts many years ago when I believed that AV was lost and broke. Now I only admire them for that they've done and the great product they're making. But again, please let's not follow the path of comparing AV, TA, JJ and LA, it has as much sense as comparing KL with Swiss.. pointless.

I only hope, as selfish consumer, that LATAM will bring us Chileans (the few inhabitants of the end of the world we are) better chances to explore the world, directly from SCL. All the rest is nothing but corporation pride, which I don't live of nor fly of.

I do dream of having Avianca Chile one day.

Regards )( Arcano



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 72, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6129 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 41):
DFW-GRU is planned to increase to 12x weekly, MIA-GIG is planned to increase to 2x daily, JFK-GRU is planned to increase to 2x daily.

DFW-GRU 12x weekly only during summer peak season. Will be back to Daily off-season and plans to go 10x weekly B772 for the Winter 2012/2013

MIA-GIG is daily up to the end of the year when it is planned to be 2x daily. Doubt will remain 2x daily year-round.

JFK-GRU is also going 2x daily but i doubt will remain like that year-round.

Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
LAN and TAM have completed their transaction and have officially created LATAM Airlines Group S.A.

Lets see what they will bring as benefit for their customers. I only see corporate advantages so far. The code-share was already in place before (between LA and JJ)



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 73, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 72):

Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
LAN and TAM have completed their transaction and have officially created LATAM Airlines Group S.A.

Lets see what they will bring as benefit for their customers. I only see corporate advantages so far. The code-share was already in place before (between LA and JJ)

Only on certain routes, i.e. SCL-GRU, SCL-GIG, LIM-GRU, EZE-GRU, ASU-SCL, GRU-AEP, GIG-EZE, and certain domestic destinations within Brazil, Chile, and Perú. The domestic code-shares will expand throughout the network. LAN and TAM have not implemented the code-shares on routes between Brazil and Europe such as GRU-CDG, GIG-CDG, GRU-FRA, GIG-FRA, GRU-LHR, GIG-LHR, GRU-MAD, and GRU-MXP. By themselves, LAN and TAM can't compete with the foreign carriers increasing flights into the region. LATAM plans on launching 10 new international routes during 2013. LAN has shown an interest in launching services to BCN and FCO; which could complement TAM's network to Europe. Also, LATAM plans on launching new regional routes within South America. For example, routes such as BOG-GIG, BOG-CNF, BOG-SSA, BOG-CCS, BOG-MAR, BOG-GYE, BOG-UIO, LIM-ASU, LIM-CBB, LIM-GIG, LIM-CNF, LIM-CWB, LIM-POA, resuming LIM-BSB and LIM-MVD, etc. will enable LATAM to launch new routes to North America and Central America from both the LIM and BOG hubs.


User currently offlinelh526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2381 posts, RR: 14
Reply 74, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5967 times:
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So FRA-SCL will be FRA-BOG-SCL soon? No Star Alliance routing FRA-GRU/EZE-SCL anymore?

We finally came to this  



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User currently offlineogre727 From UK - England, joined Feb 2005, 726 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5944 times:

Will they have a joint website? If not, will you be able to book on either airline a-la air france-klm?


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 76, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5903 times:

Quoting ogre727 (Reply 75):
Will they have a joint website? If not, will you be able to book on either airline a-la air france-klm?

LAN and TAM will continue to maintain their own websites. However, within the next few weeks passengers will be able to purchase all TAM operated flights on LAN's website and all LAN operated flights on TAM's website.

On LAN's website; there is a feature that will automatically direct you to TAM's website:
http://www.lan.com/en_un/sitio_personas/index.html

On TAM's website, there is a feature that will automatically direct you to LAN's website:
http://www.tam.com.br/b2c/vgn/v/inde...d526b72210VgnVCM1000003752070aRCRD


Starting today, all LANPASS members can earn and redeem kilometers on all TAM operated flights. All TAM Fidelidade–Multiplus members can earn and redeem points on all LAN operated flights. Also, LANPASS Comodoro and Premium Silver members, as well as TAM Fidelidade Cartão Vermelho and Cartão Branco members now have access to all LAN and TAM VIP lounges.


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 77, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5811 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 71):
Fact: Lan is a great airline for sure... but so great that now we have almost no competition, and to spend a weekend in Buenos Aires is far more expensive than ever.

Hi Arcano, I don't want to look like the devil's advocate here, or like the biggest fan of LA , but come on.... the price tag for a trip to Bs. As. is not LA fault. You can go in AR if you want, and there is not much difference in the fare. LAN has super low fare promotions very often, one week ago I received the e-mail with all the fares to South America's destinations between 60 USD and 300 USD.... I don't see any other airline doing that very often like LA does, and that allows many people fly to see relatives, or visit some place long time postponed. I can tell you that I don't care at all what they give me on board ( hot meal, cookie or whatever ) if they give me the chance to see my loved ones who lives in MVD more often, and I'm sure there are a lot of people thinking like me.



Quoting Arcano (Reply 71):
moving 80% of domestic market is just outrageus...

Again, not fair with LA. The second big player ( Sky Airline ) is growing fast, and if they don't grow faster is just because they don't offer a product that can compete with LA. They have an AWFUL website compared with LAN.com, and in the 100% of occasions that I have to book a flight with them, ALWAYS were more expensive than LAN. They give you a "hot meal" instead of the famous snack of LA, but they charge for it in the fare.... what is the point?
And they belong to one of the richest families in Chile, if they are really worried about growing, buy new planes ( phase out that poor 732 for the love of GOD !! ) and improve the product. All I can see "new" in the last months is a Ab319, a very old A320 and..... no... nothing more.

Rgds.

G.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 78, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 70):
The holding company was born as the second largest group in the sector by market value.

So who is the largest group in the sector by market value?

A388


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 79, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 78):
So who is the largest group in the sector by market value?

AFAIK is DL , with a market value of 17,7 billion dollars.
LATAM will be second with a MV of 14,5 billion dollars.

I hope someone can correct ( or confirm ) this numbers with fresh information, but that is what I know for now.

Rgds.

G.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 80, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5711 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 79):
AFAIK is DL , with a market value of 17,7 billion dollars.
LATAM will be second with a MV of 14,5 billion dollars.

I hope someone can correct ( or confirm ) this numbers with fresh information, but that is what I know for now.

Rgds.

G.

Okay I see, let's see how this will remain or change in the coming years. I can imagine that the market value of a company can change quickly as the markets worldwide determine this value on a constant basis.

A388


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 81, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

I believe the largest airline company in terms of market capitalization is Air China, not Delta. Of course I could be wrong.


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 82, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5567 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 81):
I believe the largest airline company in terms of market capitalization is Air China, not Delta. Of course I could be wrong.

The ranking based on market value in my opinion is more based on who analyses this ranking. If Air China indeed is the largest by market value, it would mean that Delta is second largest and so on and so on. Market value in my opinion is difficult to determine as many factors can influence this from the short term to the long term. It's all about what happens and when it happens in the market.

A388


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 83, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5543 times:

I am in complete agreement with you. Foreign exchange fluctuations are also a factor that intervenes here. One thing is for sure. LATAM, S.A. is among the largest aviation companies in terms of market capitalization. The exact number in the ranking does not matter as much as the fact that it is neither Asian, nor U.S., nor European.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 84, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5526 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 83):
One thing is for sure. LATAM, S.A. is among the largest aviation companies in terms of market capitalization. The exact number in the ranking does not matter as much as the fact that it is neither Asian, nor U.S., nor European.

I totally agree with you here as well.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 85, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5344 times:

Will the newly formed LATAM spur even more consolidation in Latin America? Is LATAM looking at "participating in the privatisation" of TAP Portugal? Interesting analysis from CAPA:

Quote:
Latam could potentially further grow its share of the Latin American market by acquiring or launching a passenger airline in Central America or Mexico. Latam already has a Mexican cargo airline affiliate in MAS Air (it also has cargo airline subsidiaries or affiliates in Brazil, Colombia and the US)...Latam is expected to look at potentially participating in the privatisation process at Portugal’s TAP, which will take place later this year. As the largest carrier in the Brazil-Europe market, TAP is an attractive target as it would allow Latam to significantly expand its share of the South Atlantic market, where it is now the fourth largest player behind behind Iberia/British Airways parent IAG, Air France-KLM and TAP...With a market capitalisation of about USD13 billion, Latam clearly controls its own destiny...
New LAN-TAM parent Latam emerges as a leader globally and a powerful force across South America


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4318 posts, RR: 11
Reply 86, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4845 times:



Just a small observation, but when did Bahia Blanca become one of the great hubs of South America??

I'm sorry but that is just a pathetic mistake. Shows how much they know about Argentina, which is not much.

As for "LATAM", the name makes me yawn, I'm sorry. It is so boring. There is a fine line between seriousness and just utter ennui... Can't they rename it "Cono Sur", "Condor", "Trans Sudamericana" or something like that??

Not impressed, though from a practical point of view I'm sure they'll do OK, though I have my doubts if Brazilian and Chilean interests can coexist.



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User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 882 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 86):

Clearly the map highlights Buenos Aires in bold as a Hub.



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4318 posts, RR: 11
Reply 88, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4796 times:

I'm Argentine, I know my geography eastern. My comment stands.  


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User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 89, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4633 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 86):
Just a small observation

Funny how you started with this "innocent" sentence , and immediately after you shot with all your artillery :

Quoting Derico (Reply 86):
that is just a pathetic mistake. Shows how much they know about Argentina, which is not much.

As for "LATAM", the name makes me yawn, I'm sorry. It is so boring. There is a fine line between seriousness and just utter ennui... Can't they rename it "Cono Sur", "Condor", "Trans Sudamericana" or something like that??

Not impressed, though from a practical point of view I'm sure they'll do OK, though I have my doubts if Brazilian and Chilean interests can coexist.

Thanks for your point of view. But here in Chile we love a good airline who make " pathetic mistakes" in a map but is one of the best, rather than a "jewel" like AR, I'm sure they have very good maps, ....but oh wait ....!!!


Rgds.
G.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 90, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 86):
As for "LATAM", the name makes me yawn, I'm sorry. It is so boring.

Well, it is just the name of the corporate entity that owns the operating companies, so the name is quite irrelevant to be honest. For now, the name of the carriers remain the same.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4318 posts, RR: 11
Reply 91, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4341 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 89):

Thanks for your point of view. But here in Chile we love a good airline who make " pathetic mistakes" in a map but is one of the best, rather than a "jewel" like AR, I'm sure they have very good maps, ....but oh wait ....!!!

I hate AR (the employes), and wish they would all be fired.

You were saying?  

I'm not blinded by hatred of my geographic neighbors, some of us are well past that now.



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