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ATC Facility Fire In Atlantic City  
User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 437 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

According to news sources (no links sorry) a fire damaged an air traffic control tech facility in Atlantic City. This facility handles flights in and out of the Northeast US. Numerous flights have been badly delayed....some canceled (I believe JetBlue and Delta at first glance). Anyone else with more details on delays and damage?

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User currently offlinefoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 746 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5877 times:

Found a link:

http://www.gadling.com/2012/06/22/fi...her-snarl-new-england-air-traffic/



..uh, we'll need that to live......
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7174 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5866 times:

Pretty bad delays up and down the east coast. There are pretty bad storms there too, so that may have something to do with the delays.

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KBOS
http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KJFK
http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KPHL



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User currently offlinerduddji From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1453 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5838 times:

I wonder if this is why the OIS web site has been down for hours...

Disregard, answered my own question: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...usa-faa-fire-idUSL2E8HN02K20120623

[Edited 2012-06-22 19:24:39]


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User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5799 times:

Sitting here in PBI....have a 45-minute flight to TPA delayed about 6 hours. And yes, the weather hasn't helped.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7174 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5768 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 4):
Sitting here in PBI....have a 45-minute flight to TPA delayed about 6 hours. And yes, the weather hasn't helped.

Couldn't you just drive there for half the time?   



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User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5712 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Couldn't you just drive there for half the time?

Yup.

Anyone know where they moved the ATC operations to? Will this have a long term effect on flights (tomorrow....etc)?


User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5552 times:

It appears the incident has also effected flight information provided to websites like flightaware and flightview. I tried to track several flights recently and they post "no info" or "call airline." Is this because their information comes directly from ATC?

User currently onlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1257 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5536 times:

Spent four hours in DTW today. MANT flights delayed.

User currently onlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1464 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5517 times:

This FAA website has been down all day:

fly.faa.gov


User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5494 times:

We (B6) had a ton of flights cancelled today. Today was the worst IROP day for me since the snowstorm back in the beginning of 2011.

User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5442 times:

Any diversions caused by this? I think we (WN) had at least one. A PBI-ISP diverted to CHS.

User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5436 times:

1048 NAS-HPN diverted to BWI because of the outage, we had quite a few divert because of weather though (and i'm sure the outage just compounded the issue.)

User currently offlineAvi8r747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

I was traveling through IAD yesterday and almost all UAX ops were cancelled. Then the thunderstorms rolled in and took care of the rest. It was pretty messy.


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2871 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 11):
Any diversions caused by this? I think we (WN) had at least one. A PBI-ISP diverted to CHS.

Was that because of the ATC or because of the WX? We had some nasty little storms roll through yesterday. They were small, but they packed a punch, and came in 2 waves (first one in the early afternoon like 3pm, then another later like 7 or 8pm). Power outages, localized road flooding, downed trees, LIRR service suspended on certain branches, it was a mess last night. Here's my car after the first storm, that was fun to get out:




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User currently offlinel101fan From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4504 times:
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This is not an air traffic control facility. The Tech Center is a complex located next to the ACY airport but there are no actual ATC operational duties there at this time. Most of their work is to develop and test air traffic control equipment. The runway that passes next to the complex was closed for a couple of hours but there were no big delays in the system due to this fire.

It will be interesting to see what modernization projects for the FAA are delayed due to this event.

L101fan



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User currently offlinedurangomac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

From the information I got, the facilty processes most if not all the ASDi messages. Hence why sites like flightaware.com weren't getting updated information.

After they moved to another site they were having problems getting all the systems and connections up and running.


User currently offlineflightopsguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

Quoting l101fan (Reply 15):
This is not an air traffic control facility. The Tech Center is a complex located next to the ACY airport but there are no actual ATC operational duties there at this time. Most of their work is to develop and test air traffic control equipment. The runway that passes next to the complex was closed for a couple of hours but there were no big delays in the system due to this fire.

Not true. ACY is home to the TPC- the TFMS (Traffic Flow Management System) Production Center. TFMS sits on top of HOST/ERAM and is responsible for system wide management of the NAS.



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User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2961 times:

Quoting flightopsguy (Reply 17):
Not true. ACY is home to the TPC- the TFMS (Traffic Flow Management System) Production Center. TFMS sits on top of HOST/ERAM and is responsible for system wide management of the NAS.

This sounds like it makes more sense to me. If it didn't effect flights, why would we have received a flight information message about it detailing the likely ground and air delay programs caused by the facility shutdown? If it were just a fire at a non-ATC facility my airline (WN) doesn't even fly into, we would have no interest in it at all.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5475 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

In addition to the lousy weather due to the mini heatwave (thunderstorms) and being a summertime Friday, the ATC fire was the perfect storm for delays for almost all airlines. We had pushes as late as 0100. Add to all this your regular players for bad weather and massive delays BOS and SFO! SFO seems to be making a run at airports from hell for delays along with the nasty New York axis of evil three, BOS and CLT. Regarding the fire it seems latley, there have been fires, breakdowns and other incidences dealing with air traffic control centers. As they say our tax dollars hard at work. WTF?
   And in our delay announcements and updates we reiterated this fact. Most passengers rolled with the flow but you had your 10% who made it miserable for the 90% of us who also had to fly or work yesterday. Let us hope there is never an Amtrak (government airline) choosing between it or a carrier like Ghana Air would be a hard pill to swallow and a lethal choice. Rant finished.



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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 weeks ago) and read 2798 times:

Here was the local NBC affiliate coverage....

Luckily, everybody got out ok..

http://www.nbc40.net/news/22908/



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User currently offlineNKOPS From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

http://www.nbc40.net/news/22894/video

video that captured one of the explosions.... most likely from propane tank that roofers were using



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