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Iberia The Largest Carrier Into South America  
User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1404 times:



We all know about the great frequency and coverage that Spanish airline, Iberia, has into the Latin American market, but are they the largest carrier into South America. By the way, I have heard that all the aircraft that IB has based in their MIA hub are MD-87's and A-319's, so are the DC-9's out? Thanks


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User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

I think that the largest carrier "into" South America is American Airlines. From their Miami & Dallas/Ft. Worth hubs they fly to the following sities on the South American continent:

Buenos Aires, La Paz, Santa Cruz, Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Santiago de Chile, Barranquilla, Bogata, Cali, Guayaquil, Quito, Asuncion, Lima, Montevideo, Caracas, and Maracaibo.

If you include destinations in Central America:

Belize City, San Jose, San Salvador, Guatemala City, Managua, San Pedro Sula, Tegulcigalpa, and Panama

Iberia serves the following:

Buenos aires, Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Santiago de Chile, Bogata, Guayaquil, Quito, Asuncion, Lima, Montevideo, and Caracas.

If you include Central America:

San Jose, San Salvador, Guatamala, San Pedro Sula, Managua, and Panama

American: 24 Iberia: 17

American used to also serve Cuzco in Peru but discontinued the serviceyears back. I also beleive that AA is looking to serve Belo Horizonte and Porto Alegre , both in Brazil.


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

In that case, could we say, that IB is the biggest European airline operating into the South American market?

Gerardo



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User currently offlineAirafriqueDKR From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1313 times:

Iberia doesn't serve Montevideo and Asuncion anymore.

Also American already flies to Belo Horizonte from Miami. They've been in Belo Horizonte for many years.


User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

AirafriqueDKR is right. AA flies to Belo Horizonte from New York JFK via Rio de Janeiro.

The Iberia website indicates that IB serves both Asuncion and Montevideo (non code share).



User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

Iberia is thinking to add a second daily frequency to Lima, because Lufthansa will leave the route FRA-LIM-FRA on September '01.
Iberia will use in the second frequency an Airbus A340-300.

RJ_Delta.


User currently offlineAirafriqueDKR From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1283 times:

I'm not sure why the Iberia website says they operate their own aircraft into Asuncion and Montevideo. They are codeshare flights. The flights to Asuncion are operated by PZ (transportes aereos del Mercosur) from EZE and GRU, and the flights to Montevideo are operated by AR from EZE.

User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1272 times:


Well then I suppose we can come to the conclusion that the largest carriers in the world to serve the Latin American market are members of One World alliance.



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User currently offlineRepublic From Canada, joined Dec 2012, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

If you look at Latin America, Continental should be close to American in number of destinations served, at 41.

South America: (9)

Caracas, Bogata, Quito, Guayaquil, Lima, Santiago, Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Belo Horizonte

Central America: (7)

Panama City, San Jose, Managua, San Pedro Sula, Tegucigalpa, San Salvador, Guatemala City

Caribbean: (4)

Santo Domingo, Puerto Plata, San Juan, Aguadilla


Mexico: (21)

Tampico, Mazatlan, San Luis Potosi, Saltillo, Monterrey, Torreon, Chihuahua, Los Cabos, Cancun, Cozumel, Merida, Veracruz, Puebla, Acapulco, Mexico City, Ixtapa, Leon, Guadalajara, Puerto Vallarta, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes


It is interesting to note that 34 of these destinations are served nonstop fron Houston IAH.

Joe


User currently offlineAirafriqueDKR From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

Continental doesn't serve Santiago anymore. Also I think they're dropping Belo Horizonte next month.

User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32611 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1224 times:

AA has a daily flight from Miami to Belo Horizonte. A 767-300 via Rio. They plan to add service from Miami to Medellin, Columbia sometime in 2002. As for other expansion possibilities, there are many. Iquitos, Peru and Cordoba, Argentina come to mind. There are no non-stops between the US and Iquitos (and Grupo TACA dropped thier direct service from MIA), and the only non-stop between the US and Cordoba starts in December (Southern Winds on MIA-COR).

Planetnutz, AA does not serve Belo Horizonte via JFK, though the MIA-GIG and JFK-GIG flights arrive roughly 20 minutes apart, and the MIA-GIG flight's continuation to Belo Horizonte does get feed from the JFK flight (and the DFW flight too, I think).



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User currently offlineAcklins From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1211 times:

Iberia used to have DC-9's based in MIA, but they replaced them for MD87's for a while. This year they
made an aircraft change again for A319's. There are
no more MD87's.

Acklins.


User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1196 times:

From aa.com:

American Airlines #973
From: New York City, NY - John F. Kennedy (JFK) To: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (GIG)
Departs: 10:20 pm Arrives: 9:26 am
Miles: 4786
First Class Meal: Dinner, Breakfast
Business Class Meal: Dinner, Breakfast
Coach Class Meal: Dinner, Breakfast
Aircraft Type: Boeing 767 Wide Body

Same flight continues:
From: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (GIG) To: Belo Horizonte, Brazil (CNF)
Departs: 11:00 am Arrives: 11:58 am
Miles: 209
No meal served
Aircraft Type: Boeing 767 Wide Body




User currently offlineAirafriqueDKR From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1191 times:

AA's flight to Belo Horizonte is from Miami until Sept. 4 (AA 905 MIA/GIG/CNF). From Sept. 5 to Sept. 30 the flight is from JFK (AA 973 JFK/GIG/CNF) as Planenutz mentioned. And on Oct. 1 the flight switches back to AA 905 MIA/GIG/CNF.

AA tends to switch the origin city of the CNF flight a lot between JFK and MIA.


User currently offlinePurdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1192 times:

Republic - If you are going to count the Carribean, as you have in your post, I think you will find that CO comes no where near the number of destinations served by AA in the south-of-the-us region...

South America:
CO (9):

Caracas, Bogata, Quito, Guayaquil, Lima, Santiago, Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Belo Horizonte


AA (17):

Buenos Aires, La Paz, Santa Cruz, Belo Horizonte, Rio de Janiero, Sao Paulo, Santiago, Baranquilla, Bogata, Cali, Guayaquil, Quito, Asuncion, Lima, Montevideo, Caracas, Maracaibo


Central America:
CO (7):

Panama City, San Jose, Managua, San Pedro Sula, Tegucigalpa, San Salvador, Guatemala City


AA (8):

Belize City, Panama City, San Jose, Managua, San Pedro Sula, Tegucigalpa, San Salvador, Guatemala City


Caribbean:

CO (4):

Santo Domingo, Puerto Plata, San Juan, Aguadilla


AA (31): See aa.com - I don't have time before class to type them all


Mexico:

CO (21):

Tampico, Mazatlan, San Luis Potosi, Saltillo, Monterrey, Torreon, Chihuahua, Los Cabos, Cancun, Cozumel, Merida, Veracruz, Puebla, Acapulco, Mexico City, Ixtapa, Leon, Guadalajara, Puerto Vallarta, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes


AA (10):

Acapulco, Aguascalientes, Cancun, Guadalajara, Leon, Mexico City, Monterrey, Puerto Vallarta, Saltillo, San Jose Cabo


Total:
AA: 66
CO: 41


User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1167 times:

Does anyone know if Iberia and AA codeshare with each other on the MIA- South America routes? If they do, why won't Iberia let AA operate all of the flights?
rgds,
blink182



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User currently offlineJuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1168 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1162 times:

Remember also how many frequencies does AA have, at least at Guatemala City 21 a week, Iberia 10 a week.

Juanchito



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User currently offlineRepublic From Canada, joined Dec 2012, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

Purdue Arrow:

Fair enough. But I counted only Latin America. IMHO, Bahamas, Turks, Cayman, Jamaica, Barbados, etc are not part of Latin America.

Joe


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1152 times:

Then. Would Québec be?

User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32611 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1156 times:

Thanks for the correction DKR. I find it odd that AA switches the flight between JFK and MIA. As for the Caribbean, it is not Latin America. The Dominican Republic and Cuba, however, are. AA serves Santo Domingo, Puerto Plata, and La Romana at least all daily from MIA (SDQ is 3x or 4x I think, the others are 2x daily). AA also serves Havana daily from MIA (and I think JFK too), as well as Santiago de Cuba, Camaguay, and one other Cuban city (Tierra Fuegos?) from MIA on at least a weekly basis. These flights to Cuba are "scheduled", but they are charter flights (UA, CO (as in Continental Connection/Gulfstream), MX also fly MIA-HAV route; UA uses their 777-200 on MIA-HAV every day!). Most of the AA flights to Cuba are operated by 757-200s.

Blink182, IB and AA codeshare on the MIA-MAD route (daily AA, twice daily IB), but nothing else. IB's Miami hub, which will be expanding soon when some Open Skies agreements between the US and Spain end (Monterey and Barcelona are rumoured destinations), is very profitable and succsesful for them. It's been around for a good while (mid-80s?), and serves it's purpose very well. AA also does not seem to mind. There are plenty of people to support both AA and IB flights. All it does, really, is help AA. They have only so many planes. Another AA partner, LanChile, also flies from MIA to cities outside thier home country (Bogota, Caracas, Qutio, Lima, Guayquil, and Punta Cana).



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