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AA To Upgrade LAX-LHR To 777-300 Jun 2013  
User currently offlinemiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 506 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15798 times:

As per 24JUN12 GDS timetable and inventory display, American Airlines is to operate Boeing 777-300ER service on Los Angeles – London Heathrow route, starting 01JUN13. The 777-300ER will replace -200ER currently in operation.

AA136 LAX1950 – 1415+1LHR 77W D
AA137 LHR1105 – 1420LAX 77W D

As the 777-300's arrive this will free up some of the 777-200's. Hopefully we will see some new destinations annnounced soon.

[Edited 2012-06-25 08:36:45]

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User currently offlineflyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15715 times:

2 of the JFK flights will be operated with the 777-300, as well.


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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2074 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15639 times:

Quoting miaami (Thread starter):

I think some people here would disagree with this being an upgrade, with the new 3-4-3 seat being used on the 77Ws vs the 2-5-2 on the 200ERs. Honestly I dont see anything bad with it but, ive never experienced a 3-4-3 config yet. O well good to see it being used on more routes.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15614 times:

Good to see a United States based carrier getting its hands on some 'big' new long-haul equipment !

Thumbs up from me.



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15475 times:

If you have been in the middle of the 5 seats, you will see this as an upgrade

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15421 times:

Next summer the 77W schedule is as follows:

AA 50 DFWLHR 445P 750A+ 77W
AA 136 LAXLHR 750P 215P+ 77W
AA 100 JFKLHR 610P 620A+ 77W
AA 138 JFKLHR 725P 740A+ 77W



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User currently onlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 975 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15388 times:

Great choice. My partner flies this route quite often and the premium cabins are always oversubscribed.

(Now, I know where I am going next summer.)


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15366 times:

This should help to lower the per seat costs and it seems like a route they can sell the extra seats

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15205 times:

For reference the term is "upgauge" when it comes to capacity.

Upgrade is what is done to a passenger, or flight frequency.



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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15190 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 2):
I think some people here would disagree with this being an upgrade, with the new 3-4-3 seat being used on the 77Ws vs the 2-5-2 on the 200ERs.

It is certainly an upgrade in the premium cabins. The full flat business product is likely to be well received. With AA going up against 4 other airlines on LAX-LHR who all have flat products in business, I’d assume it is a desperately needed upgrade. As for economy, it depends on the airline as to who has the best product. If you don’t want 3-4-3 on a 777, take UA.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15128 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):
Next summer the 77W schedule is as follows:

AA 50 DFWLHR 445P 750A+ 77W
AA 136 LAXLHR 750P 215P+ 77W
AA 100 JFKLHR 610P 620A+ 77W
AA 138 JFKLHR 725P 740A+ 77W

Don't forget the second daily GRU flight from JFK


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2074 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15040 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 9):

It is certainly an upgrade in the premium cabins. The full flat business product is likely to be well received. With AA going up against 4 other airlines on LAX-LHR who all have flat products in business, I’d assume it is a desperately needed upgrade. As for economy, it depends on the airline as to who has the best product. If you don’t want 3-4-3 on a 777, take UA.

Well im just saying what others have said regards to the 3-4-3 configuration. And like I said in my previous post I dont see why and dont think it would be that bad, even though ive never flown one before, I never said I didnt want to fly one, not sure where you got that from.



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 14810 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 2):
I think some people here would disagree with this being an upgrade, with the new 3-4-3 seat being used on the 77Ws vs the 2-5-2 on the 200ERs. Honestly I dont see anything bad with it but, ive never experienced a 3-4-3 config yet. O well good to see it being used on more routes.

It's worth pointing out that the 772s are going 3-4-3 as well, although it will probably take some time for them to all be converted.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12040 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14558 times:
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Quoting miaami (Thread starter):
AA136 LAX1950 – 1415+1LHR 77W D
AA137 LHR1105 – 1420LAX 77W D

Wait, am I reading this correctly? AA136 arrives at 14:15 then AA137 departs at 11:05 the next day? Using different equipment presumably? I can't believe AA would leave a 77W sitting at LHR for nearly 21 hours.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2074 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14546 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 13):
Wait, am I reading this correctly? AA136 arrives at 14:15 then AA137 departs at 11:05 the next day? Using different equipment presumably? I can't believe AA would leave a 77W sitting at LHR for nearly 21 hours.

I doubt they would have it sitting at LHR for that long. It would probably do the return to JFK after.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2882 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14534 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 12):
It's worth pointing out that the 772s are going 3-4-3 as well, although it will probably take some time for them to all be converted.

Yeah, from now on I'll be looking for 767 flights when I fly AA internationally in coach. The 777 used to be a treat; now I think it will be miserable in coach.


User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 892 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14463 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 13):
Wait, am I reading this correctly? AA136 arrives at 14:15 then AA137 departs at 11:05 the next day? Using different equipment presumably? I can't believe AA would leave a 77W sitting at LHR for nearly 21 hours.

An inbound from JFK or DFW will operate the outbound to LAX. The inbound from LAX will operate out to JFK most likely.



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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8430 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14428 times:
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The new JCL product looks good, though if travelling to/from LAX in YCL I'd be taking a BA flight for sure, 3-4-3 down back is just too right for my particular taste.


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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14210 times:

I'm shocked that ORD has not been announced yet! I thought the ORD-LHR route was huge for AA. I wonder if this is a sign of things to come for AA at ORD.

User currently offlineflyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14210 times:

A few years back, AA flew LAX-LHR, 2x per day. This will help makeup for that lost capacity.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14122 times:

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 18):
I'm shocked that ORD has not been announced yet! I thought the ORD-LHR route was huge for AA. I wonder if this is a sign of things to come for AA at ORD.

Why would it be? They havent put the 77W at MIA either and there is no doubt whatsoever that MIA is huge for AA.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12835 times:
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Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 2):
I think some people here would disagree with this being an upgrade, with the new 3-4-3 seat being used on the 77Ws vs the 2-5-2 on the 200ERs. Honestly I dont see anything bad with it but, ive never experienced a 3-4-3 config yet. O well good to see it being used on more routes.


People have issue with the 10 abreast because the space is a lot tighter, especially when you take into consideration, the US has a very large population who are morbidly obese compared to the rest of the world.


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12837 times:
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Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 9):

It is certainly an upgrade in the premium cabins. The full flat business product is likely to be well received. With AA going up against 4 other airlines on LAX-LHR who all have flat products in business, I’d assume it is a desperately needed upgrade. As for economy, it depends on the airline as to who has the best product. If you don’t want 3-4-3 on a 777, take UA.

I feel NZ has the best product across the board in the LAX-LHR-LAX market (And, yes, I know they don't have a P cabin.). They really do a nice job with their catering as well compared to the rest, in particular, their Star partner, UA, which has some of the nastiest, cheapest food across the board. Even AA does a better job in catering.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2074 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12583 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 21):
People have issue with the 10 abreast because the space is a lot tighter, especially when you take into consideration, the US has a very large population who are morbidly obese compared to the rest of the world.

Exactly and im aware of this, which is why I said some wouldnt think of it as much of an upgrade. I think the correct term would be upgauge but still an upgrade in my opinion. As for my opinion on the configuration, like ive said before ive never flown on a 3-4-3 on a 777, ive only flown on the 2-5-2 (AA) and the 3-3-3 (BA). Also im not a very large person so my opinion of it might differ to others.



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User currently offlinevincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11959 times:

If you can only fly in Y, the "upgrade" is a sarcasm. Give me the middle of the 5 seats any day over the 3-4-3 seating, in fact, I'll choose 767, 757, or 737 with multi-stops. I don't think most people realize how cramped this seating is (especially first time a US carrier is trying it). Especially among JFK-LHR sector where BA will be flying with A380 and 777 with 3-3-3 seating.

25 mop357 : I think its a bad idea even if your not a large person. I took a Frontier flight and sat next to a large person. She had the arm bar up on both sides
26 B747forever : What was the schedule/ flight number for that second flight?
27 sonomaflyer : For folks who don't like 3-4-3 seating in AA go with the competition. Air New Zealand, British and Virgin all have good service (Air NZ great service)
28 at : true- I've flown the dreaded 3-4-3 configuration on many a 777, including on very long-haul flights and find that what makes the difference here is t
29 skipness1E : NZ have nine abreast on the B777-200ER yet cram them in on the -300ER ten across. Not quite the treat in economy is used to be, especially on such a
30 Post contains images sonomaflyer : While I get the gist of your statement, AA and BA have a joint venture so AA doesn't have to go all out on frequencies etc on that route. Having flow
31 DTWLAX : AA is not going up against BA. AA & BA have a JV and the profits are shared. It really does not matter who operates the route. Th eplane will lik
32 windowflyer : Congrats to AA on the new metal. However at 10 abreast I will not be going anywhere near it. Not if I'm flying economy anyway. For domestic flights I
33 olddominion727 : I agree. But I love AA. I guess for my OW miles I will start flying BA. 2-5-2 is tight but tolerable. I am 6'4" and 295lbs. I really don't have an is
34 skipness1E : It most certainly does if you are flying down the back with the option of choosing nine or ten abreast. Indeed the BA product in all cabins is, in my
35 vincewy : AK/KL and NZ already did, and I thought BA tried and backed out. SQ's Scoot is also using 3-4-3, VS and EI do not have 777. Let's sum up who are putt
36 olddominion727 : I know VS, US, & EI don't fly 777's for now, but never say never!
37 LHRXXXLHR : I've informed AA, in writing even, that their decision to choose 3-4-3 will force me to investigate other options. The response was an expected "we do
38 NYCAAer : Does anyone know which return flights from LHR to JFK be on the 77W?
39 AA767400 : Correction - AA has 5 flights on JFK-LHR, along with BA's 7. And BA is not competition since it's ATI/JV. To be honest, I don't care for their 2x5x2
40 ripcordd : Either USAIR will change when they merge with AA or they will figure out they are making $$$ and in return DL/UA will start 10 across as well.
41 Flighty : Do what feels right, but honestly, AA cares more about the tens of thousands of passengers in the cabin today, right this minute. If they can fit 10-
42 gemuser : That is a gross assumption! I'll grant you it is a very personal reaction, but I would describe 3-4-3 on a B777 as a MAJOR reduction in comfort compa
43 vincewy : EK gives you 34-inch seat pitch so if you're as skinny as Mahatmad Gandhi, sure, it's very comfortable. Try 31-inch pitch on AF and you'll have diffe
44 mikey72 : and..... Have no business being in the same paragraph. Lol Hats off to you though !
45 Post contains images AirbusA6 : If BA are flying most of the metal across the pond, with greater levels of comfort, isn't this a rather unequal partnership? Having flown with AF 3-4-
46 Post contains images mikey72 : Well let's face it the partnership across the Atlantic is more about added convenience for the 'business' class passenger in terms of the joint ventu
47 AirAfreak : It's always better late than never so great for AA to capture premium traffic... Personally, I would rather fly via ICN on OZ or KE to LHR than to sit
48 mikey72 : I would trade DL, UA, US and AA for a well run PAN AM as the sole American 'national carrier' anyday. The LCC's and foreign carriers would have been
49 skipness1E : Ooops, we have the addition of the new AA138 this summer and I missed the recent return of AA100, indeed BA are up to EIGHT flights a day giving a to
50 lhrnue : I know all the discussion of frequency vs. capacity, but the A380 or 747-8i must real cash cows out of LHR to the main North America routes. I bet BA
51 cedarjet : Your lovely legacy carriers are pretty awful. Delta seem to be pretty good these days but poor old United, they used to be something really special a
52 mikey72 : Have we forgotten why we get on a plane ? To get from A to B. My armchair at home is more comfortable than any airline seat and my 50inch flat screen
53 Viscount724 : But not as good as 9-abreast. Why subject yourself to that kind of discomfort when there are so many better options, especially 7-abreast 767s. I wou
54 Sydscott : I would have thought a true Premium Economy product, ala BA, QF, NZ style etc, was made for someone of that stature to upgrade into. Personally thoug
55 skipness1E : And the other 98%?
56 817Dreamliiner : First come, first serve
57 Sydscott : Exactly!
58 skipness1E : So screw the majority? In all honesty, that is not the foundations of a succesful business. As someone once said, "We never forget you have a choice"
59 Sydscott : Exactly right. And time and again people have proven that at the back of the bus it's all about price. People have the choice and they choose to pay
60 mikey72 : I've flown BA quite a few times across the pond in economy this year Skipness. At 6'2 I paid extra for the seats with more legroom so to be fair if s
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