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Where Are AA's 772s Going?  
User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10931 times:

As has been covered in numerous other threads, AA will soon begin taking delivery of new 777-300s.

The following routes have been announced:

JFK-LHR 2x
DFW-LHR
DFW-GRU(takes 2 ac)
JFK-GRU(takes 2 ac)
LAX-LHR

This frees up 8 772s to perform other duties. Not to mention the cancellation of ORD-DEL.

So...what is AA going to do with these spare airplanes? Thoughts?

My perspective is that the 77Ws directly replace 772s which will directly replace 763s.

I believe that these 763s will then have an FC reinstalled and will replace thee 762s on transcons. There are currently 15 762s in service, with 9x JFk-lax and 4x JFK-SFO, along with a few other tags. I believe that only 10 763s will be needed - they can cut a frequency on LAX, and presumably lower need for spares due to the newer airframes. I would expect that as a result, the 15 762s and perhaps 5 or so oldest 763s will be retired.

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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10891 times:

Quoting FlyAA757 (Thread starter):
My perspective is that the 77Ws directly replace 772s which will directly replace 763s.

Probably. Though this then brings up the possibility of two-class 777s in some markets. Thus an additional 777 subfleet which complicates seheduling.

Quoting FlyAA757 (Thread starter):
There are currently 15 762s in service, with 9x JFk-lax and 4x JFK-SFO, along with a few other tags. I believe that only 10 763s will be needed -

hmmmmm...the 763 would only be an improvement over the 762 pigs if one of two conditions was met.
1. They could sell the additional seats
2. Could meet additional cargo demand

I dont know what the LF is for AA on JFK-LAX/SFO, but if current demand is being met by the 762, the 763 would make things worse. Remember while the 763 has a lower CASM, it has a higher block hour costs. The 763 doesnt make sense if at least some of those additional seats can be filled. If they cant, the 762, bad as it is, is better. It is like a CRJ has much higher CASM than a 737,but if there is only demand for 45 pax, the CRJ is better cuz its block hour costs are lower.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7615 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10729 times:

DFW-EZE has been upgraded starting in the fall to 772.


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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2191 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10612 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
DFW-EZE has been upgraded starting in the fall to 772.

Yeah, but isn't that just part of the seasonal upgrades for Northern Winter? DFWMAD is a 772 this summer but will revert back to a 763 the week that DFWEZE is upgraded.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7615 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10490 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 3):
Yeah, but isn't that just part of the seasonal upgrades for Northern Winter? DFWMAD is a 772 this summer but will revert back to a 763 the week that DFWEZE is upgraded.

It typically didnt upgrade until late November, this year it starts in August.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8375 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10296 times:
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Maybe Miami to Santiago will be a 777-200ER. Miami to RIO would also be a good route for the 777 upgrade.

User currently offlinenomorerjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10191 times:

Probably not ORD, the red-headed, step-child of the AA network.

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2191 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9732 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
It typically didnt upgrade until late November, this year it starts in August.

You're right; interesting that they are moving forth with this during shoulder season for EZE. Last I had checked, the changes were supposed to take place in October.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):
Maybe Miami to Santiago will be a 777-200ER. Miami to RIO would also be a good route for the 777 upgrade.

Maybe, but I am not counting on it. AA has been saying for years that they would switch MIASCL to a 777 and it never happened. Their experiment with DFWSCL going 10x weekly as opposed to just daily was also very short-lived. I'm convinced that AA is just content with the cargo performances on their SCL flights and not really all that concerned with chasing after premium traffic or going on the offense with increased market share by offering additional ASMs on either of those flights. Wouldn't surprise me given that their primary competitor (LAN) offers a superior premium product and quite frankly, traffic volumes to Chile from the US simply don't compare to those of Argentina and Brazil, so there is really no urgent need to dedicate two 777 airframes on their routes to Santiago.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9272 times:

AA needs urgent replacement for its old 767s, as they have 30 or so which are older than 1990, very old by the standards of a reputable airline and more what you would expect in the third world. I know maintenance is key and not age per se, but still, those planes surely must feature in a shortterm phase-out plan.

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9255 times:

AA needs to send their 777s to CDG. The 763s they send are awful


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9016 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):
Maybe Miami to Santiago will be a 777-200ER.

Once AA reconfigures their B777-200ERs into a 2 class configuration, I would not be surprised to see them operating MIA-BOG and MIA-SCL.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 7):
Their experiment with DFWSCL going 10x weekly as opposed to just daily was also very short-lived.

IMO, AA added additional frequencies for a specific reason, to deter UA from launching IAH-SCL.


User currently offlineJonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8912 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 10):

Right, with 2 class 772's destinations such as GIG, SCL, LIM and CDG would all be logical places for up gauges in equipment without too many F class seats.


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8790 times:

I think we'll definitely see more 777 action at MIA on flights to S America. Also some of the 767 flights to Paris (from ORD etc) will become 777.

Such a shame AA are going 3-4-3. Have had many nice flights on AA 777s including in Y. Will miss having them as an option, cos 3-4-3 is really to be avoided (AF, EK, NZ, EY) unless there's no other way of getting there.



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User currently offlinedirtyfrankd From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8255 times:

Any speculation on what new routes may be added as a result of taking delivery of new planes? Are we expecting any new international destinations in the near future (i.e., HKG, ICN, KIX, etc.?)

User currently offlinehOMSAr From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8155 times:

Quoting na (Reply 8):
AA needs urgent replacement for its old 767s, as they have 30 or so which are older than 1990

I thought part of AA's Aribus/Boeing narrowbody order was to replace the older 767s...or am I thinking of Delta?



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7609 times:

Would love to see an AA 777 on JFK-LAX!


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User currently offlineflyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7570 times:

The second daily JFK-GRU, will take up two of them.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7615 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7265 times:

Quoting dirtyfrankd (Reply 13):
Any speculation on what new routes may be added as a result of taking delivery of new planes? Are we expecting any new international destinations in the near future (i.e., HKG, ICN, KIX, etc.?)



Probably not. Its AA were talking about. More than likely we will see the freed up 777s on routes like MIA-GIG, DFW-FRA, and a few other routes that exist between the size of the 763 and 777. AA isnt adventurous and I cant see that being any different going forward.



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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1725 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7175 times:

Engineering has begun for a AA 772 fleet reconfig.


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User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7138 times:

Quoting Jonathanxxxx (Reply 11):
Right, with 2 class 772's destinations such as GIG, SCL, LIM and CDG would all be logical places for up gauges in equipment without too many F class seats.

I agree SCL was a 772 station in the past on and off for the MIA-SCL fllight. I believe the pax and especially the cargo loads are there. I hope they upgrade the route, either that or UA needs to make the move in. I know if UA was to open SCL would be logically from IAH, but I feel like IAD would be a good seller for all of us Mid Atlantic pax.



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User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6023 times:

Rumored might see DFW-China with the 772. I think the 763 will be around for a while, the 772 is too much plane for some of their 763 routes. Would be nice to see ORD-S. America, but neither AA or UA has been expanding international ops from ORD.

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3647 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5834 times:

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 20):
I think the 763 will be around for a while, the 772 is too much plane for some of their 763 routes.

I agree. The 772 might be able to replace the 763 on some of the more popular routes, but there's quite a jump in capacity between a two class 763 and a two class 772, especially when you consider that the 772s will also be going to 3-4-3 in Y. A 772 certainly can't replace the 763 across the board.

I'm rather curious to see if HNL will see a two class 772 at some point, perhaps seasonally.



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User currently offlinecat3dual From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5618 times:

Quoting FlyAA757 (Thread starter):
So...what is AA going to do with these spare airplanes? Thoughts?

Return them to the lessors?


User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1577 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5437 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 21):
I agree. The 772 might be able to replace the 763 on some of the more popular routes, but there's quite a jump in capacity between a two class 763 and a two class 772, especially when you consider that the 772s will also be going to 3-4-3 in Y. A 772 certainly can't replace the 763 across the board.

I'm rather curious to see if HNL will see a two class 772 at some point, perhaps seasonally.

See what DL and UA have done with 764s and two-class 777s. There are various routes where the range, cargo, and/or pax demand is larger than a 763, but which have less premium demand than would normally justify a 777. Those will vary some between carriers and alliances, but will be good candidates for refitted 2-class 772s at AA. There may also be some current 767 routes where AA is using that in lieu of a 777 because they can't spare a triple due to lower premium demand, but where a 2-class one might work fine.


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5372 times:

Quoting FlyAA757 (Thread starter):
So...what is AA going to do with these spare airplanes? Thoughts?

Selling or returning to lessor? These old 777 types must be getting to the point that maintenance cost and fuel are getting to high.


25 IrishAyes : AA is not going to re-start/re-launch ORD-S. America flights anytime soon. I feel like this keeps being brought up every 3 weeks, but the risks and c
26 AF086 : Two 772 could (finally) go to one of MIA-GIG's services. One of the freed up 763s could be used to boost DFW-GIG to 5x weekly perhaps.[Edited 2012-06
27 lightsaber : Does AA have 772s parked? It seems odd they wouldn't fully utilize the fleet, even in this economy. The RR powered 77Es are still competitive. The onl
28 American 767 : They did at one time, back in the early 2000s. AA 44/45 JFK-CDG-JFK used to be a 777. They are not awful at all, I've flown on those numerous times.
29 LAXdude1023 : DFW-CDG operated on a 777 for a summer a couple of years ago.
30 eastern023 : I think he/she meant if you fly Y on the the 763. The last one I flew had broken ceiling paneling. Seats were broken and some of the overhead TV (no
31 OB1504 : The experience might also depend on whether you get one of the original 763s delivered from 1988 to 1995, or one from the never 1998/1998 or 2003 bat
32 LipeGIG : No, they will use 2 frames that would be parked during the day. How many 772's stay on ground at JFK during the day ? I know that EZE and GRU arrives
33 flyguy1 : As of this summer, 3 777 come into JFK early am. One goes on to LHR, but that still leaves 3 parked up (including a late LHR arrival from the night b
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