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UA To Get Their First B-787 In September  
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16917 times:

Well, according to the local news in Seattle, UA might get their first B-787-8 in September 2012. However UA won't put her into airline service right away. They are planning up to 100 hours of training flying time, proving runs, and maintenance training. It looks like they will seat about 219 pax, 36 United BusinessFirst flat-bed seats, 63 Economy Plus seats and 120 seats in Economy.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/airlinerep...e&utm_campaign=PIMail:%20Aerospace

I have searched and couldn't find this posted anywhere.

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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5160 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16468 times:

Well, those proving runs etc. should be the typical sCO intro 2-step in and out of IAH to EWR/MCO/DEN/LAX and what not. When will Sept schedules be uploaded? They should begin to be reflected. Right now DEN-NRT is the only route on the web.


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16384 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
It looks like they will seat about 219 pax, 36 United BusinessFirst flat-bed seats, 63 Economy Plus seats and 120 seats in Economy.

Only 120 economy seats?!?! Even a319s hold more than that! I mean, I knew they were using them for long-and-thin routes, but I didn't think they meant THAT thin!


User currently offlinesonomaflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16325 times:
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Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
Only 120 economy seats?!?! Even a319s hold more than that! I mean, I knew they were using them for long-and-thin routes, but I didn't think they meant THAT thin!

You might be misunderstanding the size of the plane. It can seat more than a 762 and close to that of a 763. ANA does not have nearly as many seats packed into their long haul 788's.


User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16249 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
Only 120 economy seats

Thats just Y -. There is 63 Y+ as well dont forget and dont forget this is not like a separate cabin for UA, so total Y is 183 a good size cabin


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16118 times:

Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 3):
You might be misunderstanding the size of the plane.

So true, the 788 is by no means a big airplane.....but I sure want to see it in the schedule soon!!  



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User currently offlinedank From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 881 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16116 times:

Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 3):

I'm pretty sure that's wrong. As i recall, A 788 cabin is longer than a 763, and the plane is wider (either 8 or 9 abreast vs 7 or rarely 8). You'll see many 767s, including ANAs seating more than 788s because they are more likely to be configured for domestic or regional flights so have smaller business class seats, etc.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30559 posts, RR: 84
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15939 times:
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And here is the seat map - http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...ight/aircraft/787/800/default.aspx

I believe CO was originally planning 2+4+2 for their 787-8s, but this will now be 3+3+3.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15892 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 5):
So true, the 788 is by no means a big airplane

I guess your right, but it still seems like a small amount of seats. Though I do also realize that 36 lie-flats and 63 economy plus seats do take up some room.


User currently offlinebsmalls From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15569 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
And here is the seat map - http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont....aspx

Am I reading their seat map correct because it appears there will only be in seat power for business and economy plus, not for economy


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15499 times:
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Mgt at EWR said they'll run EWR-LAX/SFO from day 1. Looking forward to using this product at UA.   

User currently offlineBoeing12345 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15456 times:

Quoting bsmalls (Reply 9):
Am I reading their seat map correct because it appears there will only be in seat power for business and economy plus, not for economy

No it shows the whole plane as having in seat power.


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15385 times:

Quoting Boeing12345 (Reply 11):
No it shows the whole plane as having in seat power.

The seat-map does not but the info box above says "All Seats".???



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15156 times:

I know the UA B-788 will not be visiting DFW, So, I guess I'll have to fly down to IAH to get a ride on her. Do the UA B-787s have GEnx engines or Trent-1000s?

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15114 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 13):
Do the UA B-787s have GEnx engines or Trent-1000s?

GEnx



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User currently offline_AA_777_MAN From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13091 times:

Where will the first aircraft be delivered to?

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13074 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):
GEnx

Thanks.

Any chance of UA flying the B-787 IAH-JFK or BOS? I know EWR is their big NE hub and of that's as far as i go, I suppose I could take a continuing flight to BOS from EWR.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5160 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12321 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 16):
Any chance of UA flying the B-787 IAH-JFK or BOS? I know EWR is their big NE hub and of that's as far as i go, I suppose I could take a continuing flight to BOS from EWR.

Little to no chance...honestly, you have better odds playing the lotto. Honestly, I'd be a bit surprised if IAD or ORD...or even SFO for that matter get to see the 787 early on...at least with that there is a chance.



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User currently offline_AA_777_MAN From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11649 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 17):
Honestly, I'd be a bit surprised if IAD or ORD...or even SFO for that matter get to see the 787 early on...at least with that there is a chance.

Why is that? Isn't ORD the HQ of United? Isn't this the first 787 for UA not CO which is now gone. I know that this is the one that was originally ordered by CO, but isn't this a differen't airline now? And where will it be delivered? Why not ORD?


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11565 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 17):
Little to no chance...honestly, you have better odds playing the lotto. Honestly, I'd be a bit surprised if IAD or ORD...or even SFO for that matter get to see the 787 early on...at least with that there is a chance.

Why not? If the context is...

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
100 hours of training flying time, proving runs, and maintenance training.

Then I'd expect any UA base to have a chance. Isn't SFO UA's primary maintenace hub? Isn't BOS still a UA maintenance base? I'd say just about every major UA station has an equal chance of seeing a 787 visit during these proving flights.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5160 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11418 times:

Quoting _AA_777_MAN (Reply 18):
Why is that? Isn't ORD the HQ of United? Isn't this the first 787 for UA not CO which is now gone. I know that this is the one that was originally ordered by CO, but isn't this a differen't airline now? And where will it be delivered? Why not ORD?

No...the first 787 was a CO ordered machine and right now there are still 2 different labor groups, so the bird will probably be delivered via MCO/LAX or IAH to sCO pilots. As of now, the only planned 787 pilot base is IAH, I stress 'as of now'. Up until this point the first routes that I have been hearing are the ones that I've stated...every time one of these threads pops up lol.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 19):
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 17):
Little to no chance...honestly, you have better odds playing the lotto. Honestly, I'd be a bit surprised if IAD or ORD...or even SFO for that matter get to see the 787 early on...at least with that there is a chance.

Why not? If the context is...

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
100 hours of training flying time, proving runs, and maintenance training.

Then I'd expect any UA base to have a chance. Isn't SFO UA's primary maintenace hub? Isn't BOS still a UA maintenance base? I'd say just about every major UA station has an equal chance of seeing a 787 visit during these proving flights.

Very true...that's why I said 'early on'. There are only going to be 5 or 6 by the end of the year. I expect them to make their way to other stations, just not the first couple. I could very well be wrong though.



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10412 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 17):
Little to no chance...honestly, you have better odds playing the lotto. Honestly, I'd be a bit surprised if IAD or ORD...or even SFO for that matter get to see the 787 early on...at least with that there is a chance.

When the 777 went into service with UA, I think the first two aircraft were working DEN-ORD-IAD-LHR, if memory serves me correctly. I remember specifically going out to ORD and watching a 777 push back on a departure for IAD.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5160 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10322 times:

I think we are forgetting that the birds are sco and not sua, until the pilots group are unified...these are sCO birds. Now nothing precludes UA from opening or moving the current/planned 787 base


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10218 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 5):
So true, the 788 is by no means a big airplane

I'd say it's by any means absolutely a big airplane, just like a 763 or A300 is, but it's certainly not huge. If you're standing 3,000 feet away watching one land, the size likely won't impress you, but if you stand next to her on the ramp you'll wonder how something that big can fly.

Funny how much the human perspective and what's deemed "impressive" can change so much in just a few quick decades.



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User currently offlineKGRB From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 702 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10120 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 23):
Funny how much the human perspective and what's deemed "impressive" can change so much in just a few quick decades.

Exactly. In the 1960s, the 707 and DC-8 were the "big" airplanes. To the generation that grew up flying on DC-6s, DC-7s, Constellations, and even DC-3s, these planes were huge.



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25 Roseflyer : Even when UA was only UA, airplanes were not delivered to ORD. New build airplanes typically went to SFO which is their maintenance headquarters and
26 Max Q : I think the reason it doesn't look that big is because it sits quite low to the ground.
27 adam42185 : Interesting that the seats on the right side of the aircraft are J-K-L, is this new? I always remember H-J-K for those seats on long range aircraft. I
28 KC135TopBoom : Well "L" is the 12th letter of the alphabit, they never use the letter "I", so not they won't be using the "H" either?
29 Post contains images IAHFLYR : I have "L" seats on a B762 and B764 in the next week so they do exist. Is this comment implying the B788 is NOT a long range aircraft? No, you really
30 Post contains images KC135TopBoom : I don't think adam42185 is saying that. The actual size of an airplane is relitive, as is its range. Today there are lots of big airplanes with an 8,
31 cat3dual : My guess would be MCO maintenance.
32 adam42185 : woooaaah. I don't know how you possibly surmised that I didn't think the 788 was a long range aircraft. My post was merely stating that I personally
33 Post contains images IAHFLYR : LMAO.....A little sensitive are ya? Sorry to have opened a wound, sir. It was surmised from the way you worded the sentence only. Regardless, the "L"
34 RDH3E : I've been told by very reliable sources that the 788's will do their proving runs on Hub to hub markets almost exclusively. When you get a shiny new
35 CHRISBA777ER : When does LHR get the UA 788?
36 VC10er : One week ago I was in FRA on one of those wonderful buses they have for tired long-haul arriving passengers. We were right under a 747-4 and I stood
37 ghifty : Exactly! Even the itty bitty A319 is impressive when you board it from the rear air-stair.
38 sweair : I think the engines are huge on the 787, compared to the 767, just massive!
39 727LOVER : I live in TPA where PEMCO does UA work. Will any come here before rev service?
40 Sulley : No, since this is an sCO bird.
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