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#10 In The Colombian Aviation Series  
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15794 times:

To start off thread #10, here's an article from La República stating many facts about the entry into operation of the new terminal in BOG, which is the biggest deal right now in colombian aviation, now that Viva is finally flying:

http://www.larepublica.com.co/node/13485

AV and AA will have lounges at the new terminal, much bigger ones also! CM and LA are also interested but haven't sent a formal applicaiton to OPAÍN.

To a good discussion, now that we've made it to the double digits!.

[Edited 2012-06-26 04:47:44]


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User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 819 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16055 times:

Formal applications can not be sent yet, OPAIN is only dealing with office space and lounges according to what already exists. Basically to be fair and square the existing operators of lounges have been assigned lounges, the existing operators of office space have been assigned office space. Once that is finalized they will open a bid process for new operators of office and lounge area in the international concourse. LAN has been acquiring extra office space in the existing building and will probably operate the AA lounge for its domestic operations once the existing international terminal becomes domestic, that way they can ensure also a lounge at the new domestic terminal, just as Avianca and Copa will have as they operate a lounge for their domestic flights also.

I have also heard that LAN Colombia will operate 3 B767 quite soon, two brand new ones and one inherited from LAN Chile. These will operate to LAX, GRU and MAD. The MIA flight will be operated by a SCL based 767 but with BOG based crew on the MIA sector, basically doing SCL-BOG-MIA-BOG-SCL. I have also heard SFO as a possible flight together with GIG, so basically BOG, up to what I am understanding, is beginning to plan its international hub as Brazil-US connecting center. GRU and LAX will also be operated in the same plane as I understand: GRU-BOG-LAX.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16023 times:
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Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
I have also heard that LAN Colombia will operate 3 B767 quite soon, two brand new ones and one inherited from LAN Chile. These will operate to LAX, GRU and MAD. The MIA flight will be operated by a SCL based 767 but with BOG based crew on the MIA sector, basically doing SCL-BOG-MIA-BOG-SCL.

Fantastic news Bogota! The BOG based crews have been training here in Santiago for a while now. I've never seen the training facilities so busy. Also, I often fly on the SCL-BOG-MIA route and enjoy that flight! Passengers will enjoy the new products and the new Premium Business and Economy Classes that LAN has introduced on the brand new B-767-316ERs!

Saludos,


User currently offlinefalkerker From Seychelles, joined Apr 2012, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16033 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
have also heard SFO as a possible flight together with GIG

Thank god they´re starting non-stop BOG-West coast routes again. It´s a pain having to go through central america to get there via AV TA. Although, to SCL767´s sadness I prefer AV TA to LAN any day of the week (unless I can get there non-stop)


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 15994 times:
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Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
I have also heard SFO as a possible flight together with GIG

This route would complement the GRU-LIM-SFO route. However, are you sure that LAN will operate it instead of TAM?

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
GRU and LAX will also be operated in the same plane as I understand: GRU-BOG-LAX.

This routing will complement the existing SCL-LIM-LAX and EZE-LIM-LAX routes.


User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 819 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15987 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 4):
This route would complement the GRU-LIM-SFO route. However, are you sure that LAN will operate it instead of TAM?

SFO as a destination is flight crew gossip so we can take it with a grain of salt. But what they said it would be a GIG-BOG-SFO which could compliment the GRU-LIM-SFO very nicely. The GRU-BOG-LAX is confirmed not sure if late 2012 or early 2013. The MIA is also confirmed, as said with a SCL based 767, SCL crew would operate the SCL-BOG-SCL sectors, BOG crew would operate the BOG-MIA-BOG sectors. MAD would come next, so would JFK. For those of you that love thinking about rotations, how many frequencies could those 767 do on these routes? Condorx?


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15966 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
Basically to be fair and square the existing operators of lounges have been assigned lounges, the existing operators of office space have been assigned office space. Once that is finalized they will open a bid process for new operators of office and lounge area in the international concourse.

Thanks for the info. The new Avianca lounge will have 2000 sq meters, how big is the current facility, around 500-600? AA's lounge will be 700 sq m and the current facility has no more than 300 sq m. It will be a very big improvement.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
LAN has been acquiring extra office space in the existing building and will probably operate the AA lounge for its domestic operations once the existing international terminal becomes domestic, that way they can ensure also a lounge at the new domestic terminal, just as Avianca and Copa will have as they operate a lounge for their domestic flights also.

Interesting and intelligent use of the current AA lounge.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
These will operate to LAX, GRU and MAD.
LAX is badly needed! It's ridiculous to have to go through damn SJO and SAL! There is demand! Also, even if it's old news, MAD will be a welcome addition too.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
The MIA flight will be operated by a SCL based 767 but with BOG based crew on the MIA sector, basically doing SCL-BOG-MIA-BOG-SCL.

Finally, so they can offer a decent product! More capacity on the BOG- South Florida sector is also welcome.

BOG - MIA now has

AA 1x 763, 1x 757, 1x 738
AV 1x 332, 1x 320
LA 1x 320

BOG-FLL now has

AV 1x 320
B6 1x 320
NK 1x 320

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
I have also heard SFO as a possible flight together with GIG,

Those seem a bit far fetched.

[Edited 2012-06-26 07:03:18]


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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15977 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 2):
I've never seen the training facilities so busy

You have access to those facilities?? Are you a LAN employee?? Please, I will hear to elaborate from you about you seeing these facilities....

Quoting Bogota (Reply 5):
However, are you sure that LAN will operate it instead of TAM?

You tell us, you're the one who seems to have access to very specific LAN information/facilities.



About AV exercising 3 options on the 787s.....good for them, good for the LIM widebody base (despite whatever type they end up getting, either 330s or 787s) but I feel compensation by Boeing is behind all this. I'm not saying is the only driver, and that they got them for free, but probably they gave AV a good on these frames as part of the delay compensation. I know they were really talking about it last year, and numbers were over usd100m, but nothing was a definetively, one might think by this time a deal has been struck.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15939 times:
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Quoting Bogota (Reply 5):
The GRU-BOG-LAX is confirmed not sure if late 2012 or early 2013. The MIA is also confirmed, as said with a SCL based 767, SCL crew would operate the SCL-BOG-SCL sectors, BOG crew would operate the BOG-MIA-BOG sectors. MAD would come next, so would JFK. For those of you that love thinking about rotations, how many frequencies could those 767 do on these routes? Condorx?

LAN has adopted a new method where certain a/c operate will operate a certain route into a U.S. destination, then operate a completely different route on the return. For example. LAN Ecuador will operate GYE-JFK daily, but the a/c would turn around and operate JFK-LIM-SCL, LA operates SCL-MIA but the a/c could turn around and operate MIA-BOG-SCL, like the current service. It increases the utilization of the a/c. This could occur at JFK, LAX and MAD, considering that LAN operates other B-767-316ERs services from those airports.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15925 times:
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Quoting 777jaah (Reply 7):
You have access to those facilities?? Are you a LAN employee?? Please, I will hear to elaborate from you about you seeing these facilities....

I've seen AV's pilots training on the F-100s at AA's Flight School at DFW.   My employment is irrelevant to this forum, as is yours. I posted a thread last year about LAN's training facilities:
LAN To Receive Its First B-787 During Q4 2012 (by SCL767 Nov 10 2011 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15926 times:

Rumors of LAN opening up BOG-West coast routes sound interesting, though one can't help but to think how severely weight-restricted would a 767-300ER on the BOG-LAX sector, let alone BOG-SFO. I remember back when AV operated BOG-LAX somebody told me that when a 767-300ER had to operate the route as last minue replacement when a 767-200ER went tech or something, the payload was so restricted that it wasn't even enough to break even the flight,though I must admit it was an isolated source. Curious about this.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15906 times:
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Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 10):
Rumors of LAN opening up BOG-West coast routes sound interesting, though one can't help but to think how severely weight-restricted would a 767-300ER on the BOG-LAX sector, let alone BOG-SFO.

LAN would not operate older versions of the B763s on a BOG-LAX route. LAN will operate brand new B-767-316ERs with blended winglets on the BOG-LAX, BOG-JFK, and BOG-MAD routes. Currently LAN Cargo's affiliate MasAir operates BOG-LAX 3x weekly with the B763F without issues.

[Edited 2012-06-26 07:25:23]

User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15861 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 6):
2000 sq meters

Holy #$@%! 2,000 sq mts? That is massive! Are you sure that is correct? I know the guy said it in the video interview, but 2,000 sq mts is huge! I can tell you it certainly would be way bigger than the SQ lounge in SIN (which I am most familiar with). You could easily fit 3-4 houses with a yard in that kind of space.

Cheers
Coal



Nxt Flts: VA SYD-CBR-SYD | QF SYD-DFW | AA DFW-TLH-MIA-DFW | QF DFW-SYD
User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15841 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 12):
Holy #$@%! 2,000 sq mts? That is massive! Are you sure that is correct? I know the guy said it in the video interview, but 2,000 sq mts is huge! I can tell you it certainly would be way bigger than the SQ lounge in SIN (which I am most familiar with). You could easily fit 3-4 houses with a yard in that kind of space.

It will be huge! AV will probably host to all Star Alliance members flying into BOG. Let's wait and see what AV's lounge will offer.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15771 times:
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 6):
Finally, so they can offer a decent product! More capacity on the BOG- South Florida sector is also welcome.

BOG - MIA now has

AA 1x 763, 1x 757, 1x 738
AV 1x 332, 1x 320
LA 1x 320

LAN still offers Premium Business on the BOG-MIA and MIA-BOG sectors 3x weekly:
LA570 will continue to operate SCL-BOG-MIA 3x weekly B763 until the end of August
LA571 will continue to operate MIA-BOG-SCL 3x weekly B763 until the end of August

LAN Colombia will increase frequency on the BOG-MIA route to a daily service on 1JULY2012. Thus LAN will offer 10x weekly non-stop flights between BOG and MIA. LAN will also increase frequency on the SCL-BOG route to 9x weekly soon utilizing the B763.

[Edited 2012-06-26 10:59:18]

User currently offlinefalkerker From Seychelles, joined Apr 2012, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15758 times:

Quoting troest (Reply 13):
It will be huge! AV will probably host to all Star Alliance members flying into BOG. Let's wait and see what AV's lounge will offer.

Let's hope it's up to Star Alliance standards in terms of catering and comfort (SQ SilverKris at Changi comes to mind). After all, they entered Star Alliance in part due to the convenience of the BOG hub, they should live up to it (maybe I´m just talking with desire LOL)


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 15652 times:

Quoting falkerker (Reply 15):
SQ SilverKris at Changi comes to mind

Let's hope it's better than that! Let's hope it's as good as the NZ lounge in SYD.

Cheers
Coal



Nxt Flts: VA SYD-CBR-SYD | QF SYD-DFW | AA DFW-TLH-MIA-DFW | QF DFW-SYD
User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15656 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 5):
SFO as a destination is flight crew gossip so we can take it with a grain of salt. But what they said it would be a GIG-BOG-SFO which could compliment the GRU-LIM-SFO very nicely.

Flight crew gossip can be very unreliable. I'm somewhat skeptical with the GIG leg considering that not even LP, which is stablished for much longer, serves GIG already.

If it happens, though, would put some pressure on AV on the route. We'll see.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 15534 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 12):
Holy #$@%! 2,000 sq mts? That is massive! Are you sure that is correct? I know the guy said it in the video interview, but 2,000 sq mts is huge!

That's what the article says, i'm not lying. It will be huge.

Quoting falkerker (Reply 15):
Let's hope it's up to Star Alliance standards in terms of catering and comfort (SQ SilverKris at Changi comes to mind).

They have the chance to make a state of the art, top notch lounge, so let's see!

Quoting AF086 (Reply 17):
Flight crew gossip can be very unreliable. I'm somewhat skeptical with the GIG leg considering that not even LP, which is stablished for much longer, serves GIG already.

If it happens, though, would put some pressure on AV on the route. We'll see.

GIG is not going to happen yet for LA Colombia. The only international route I see happening in the near future is MAD, then maybe LAX.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 15530 times:
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 18):

Quoting AF086 (Reply 17):
Flight crew gossip can be very unreliable. I'm somewhat skeptical with the GIG leg considering that not even LP, which is stablished for much longer, serves GIG already.

If it happens, though, would put some pressure on AV on the route. We'll see.

GIG is not going to happen yet for LA Colombia. The only international route I see happening in the near future is MAD, then maybe LAX.

However TAM could launch GIG-BOG 3x weekly by the end of this year. LAN has decided to rapidly increase LAN Colombia's international expansion and will most definitely launch BOG-JFK this year to complement LAN's existing services at JFK. LAN Colombia will launch the BOG-LAX and BOG-MAD routes by Q4. Thus LAN Colombia will be operating non-stop services from BOG to GRU, JFK, LAX, MAD, and MIA. LAN will continue to operate the SCL-BOG route, TAM will continue to operate the GRU-BOG route and LAN Perú will continue to operate LIM-BOG 2x daily. It's also very likely that LAN Perú may increase capacity on one of the two daily LIM-BOG services by deploying the B763 on the route. LAN will transfer another A320 to LAN Ecuador after the new Quito airport opens in order to increase flights within Ecuador and to launch both UIO-BOG and GYE-BOG.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 15482 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 14):
Thus LAN will offer 10x weekly non-stop flights between BOG and MIA.

For two months, then a daily A320.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 14):
LAN still offers Premium Business on the BOG-MIA and MIA-BOG sectors 3x weekly:

Indeed. Up until august.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
However TAM could launch GIG-BOG 3x weekly by the end of this year.

Would be glad to see a formal application by TAM to Aerocivil about these frequencies.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
LAN has decided to rapidly increase LAN Colombia's international expansion and will most definitely launch BOG-JFK this year to complement LAN's existing services at JFK.

I would love to see an official statement from the airline, but this is a highly likely market, AIRES did fly to JFK in the past.



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User currently offlinefalkerker From Seychelles, joined Apr 2012, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15490 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 16):
Let's hope it's as good as the NZ lounge in SYD

Never been there, sadly, but I agree that:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 18):
They have the chance to make a state of the art, top notch lounge, so let's see!

They have the space, and political pressure from star alliance to make the best lounge possible. Let´s hope we can someday be proud of an AV lounge. IMHO the current lounges either at BOG international or at puente aereo are nothing to be proud of....


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15454 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 5):
The MIA is also confirmed, as said with a SCL based 767, SCL crew would operate the SCL-BOG-SCL sectors, BOG crew would operate the BOG-MIA-BOG sectors. MAD would come next, so would JFK. For those of you that love thinking about rotations, how many frequencies could those 767 do on these routes? Condorx?

3 frames should be fine for MAD, JFK, GRU and LAX. I guess some of these will not be daily to allow for some mx time and back up allowance. I trust that LAN will do well with LAX, which is a market they know well. Ditto with GRU, given the marriage with TAM and all distribution. I would be less sure about JFK on the 767. GIG and SFO seem more far fetched at the moment.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 10):
I remember back when AV operated BOG-LAX somebody told me that when a 767-300ER had to operate the route as last minue replacement when a 767-200ER went tech or something, the payload was so restricted that it wasn't even enough to break even the flight,though I must admit it was an isolated source. Curious about this.


It must have been before AV did an engine upgrade on the 763s in the last couple of years that it had them, when they were able to do BOG-MAD, though I guess no cargo would have been carried. On that basis, and as has been mentioned LAN's 763s have winglets, and presumably the most capable engines, I expect that they will be able to do both LAX and MAD quite viably. I suppose that LAX/GRU/JFK will come before MAD, as the ETOPS certification for Aires will require some non-ETOPS fly time (could be as little as a month if they expedite the process) before they are let loose across the Atlantic.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15290 times:

B6 to fly JFK-CTG:

http://www.portafolio.co/negocios/je...s-tendra-ruta-nueva-york-cartagena

This is great news for the city of Cartagena! Welcome B6 and welcome New York!



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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15175 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
My employment is irrelevant to this forum, as is yours

Ohh, you're wrong. All of the sudden, your fanatism towards LAN seems to have other interests rather than a pure enthusiasm for aviation.

Quoting falkerker (Reply 21):
would love to see an official statement from the airline, but this is a highly likely market, AIRES did fly to JFK in the past.

I fear this is almost an official statement.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 23):
B6 to fly JFK-CTG:

Any confirmation from B6?? Great news for CTG indeed.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
25 Post contains links AV757 : Enclosed you will find a link to an article that sums up pretty well how Latin American Aviation stands at this moment. http://www.centreforaviation.c
26 falkerker : Couldn´t agree more, I have no issue whatsoever with true fanatism (like those who rave about SQ or EK) but if your so-called fanatism is behind cor
27 SJOtoLIR : The dedicated AV BOG-LAX 5x weekly with 762 sector was retired some years ago, in order to boost AV BOG-SAL 7x weekly. Thus, daily connections betwee
28 RCS763AV : The BOG-SAL/SJO-LAX move was one of those that I call a "SAL initiative" move, directed clearly at boosting the small central american hubs but havin
29 Post contains links RCS763AV : Very good interview from renowned journalist María Jimena Dussán, in which she openly questions the director of Aerocivil about the size of the new
30 bogota : Very mediocre interview in my opinion, as usual when a political analyst is trying to look interesting by asking "intelligent" questions about a subje
31 Avianca : any news on Colombia - Venezuela flights operated by LAN? as per my understanding they are whishin to reopen the old Aires BOG-MAR route. cheers Avian
32 RCS763AV : I don't think she was uninformed. Actually, many of the responses from Aerocivil's director were evasive, starting from when he said that the contrac
33 Summa767 : I totally agree with you. It was a fine interview, much as some people hate to see the incompetence in the way the concession was originally done bro
34 AF086 : JJ doesn't even launch GIG-SCL why would they serve GIG-BOG? They have a shiny A330 parked all day at GIG which could be used for the route but they
35 bogota : Not in my opinion, for such a famous journalist being so uninformed about the airport is shameful. She tried her best to turn it into a political dis
36 Post contains links 777jaah : Here's some pics on the new terminal: http://www.eltiempo.com/Multimedia/g...el-aeropuerto-eldorado-_11983333-5 Last nite I flew on AV's *A 320. I saw
37 RCS763AV : Indeed, it's also a structural problem of colombian's puclic contract law. It's made so that the contractors can swipe away money from the state in t
38 bogota : Damn if you do, damn if you don´t. I warned about this discussion years ago when the unified terminal was proposed. What ever your opinion is, I resp
39 Summa767 : In fairness to ADP, they provided 3 different possibilities. Not only did the Uribe government choose the crappiest option out of the 3, but it only
40 bogota : This your very personal OPINION, but we can gladly discuss which were the other two proposals and what they had better. You were the first one to che
41 Post contains images 777jaah : Honestly, I sat on an emergency exit, so no recline. But I always love the feeling of a leather seat, rather than any type of fabric. Here's the pic
42 Post contains links Summa767 : Look, as much as you try to confound the truth, the fact is that OPAIN had already been given the contract when the decision was made to forget the p
43 Post contains links RCS763AV : Certainly looks sharp! On other news, the idiots at CODAD (the operators of BOG's runways) did the runway resurfacing wrong at BOG's south runway, me
44 Post contains links RCS763AV : Synergy bets on their long-haul and cargo operations, they order 6 pax A330s and 3 cargo versions on top of existing orders: http://www.foxbusiness.co
45 Post contains links AV757 : So far the new A330 additions to the fleet are to operate eventually the reaproved routes to Europe by the Colombian Aerocivil. http://www.aviacol.net
46 Post contains links 777jaah : I had the chance to talk to a TA crew recently, and they seem to be happy with these new flights, and witht he AV/TA alliance overall. Hopefully thos
47 RCS763AV : I hope they do give London a go this time. LGW or LHR. I think they are shifting their policy regarding long haul flights. Relying too much on the in
48 clo1973 : Starting Aug. 23rd, Taca will start flights nonstop between CLO-LIM as follows: CLO-LIM : 1807 Tu, Th, Sa LIM-CLO : 1025 Tu, Th, Sa This is additional
49 SJOtoLIR : TACA will also fly the LIM-MDE segment as non-stop thrice a week from August. The current TA LIM-UIO-MDE 7x weekly service won't be modified. Aren't
50 clo1973 : LIM-UIO-MDE yes, it is operated by Aerogal. LIM-GYE-CLO no, it is operated by Taca...but my sources said it will switch to Aerogal at some point in t
51 Avianca : very interesting! assuming the flight times of the new nonstop servcie will be leaving LIM in the afternoon bank and leaving MDE back the next day ve
52 SJOtoLIR : It isn't so. The existing TA CLO-GYE-LIM and the coming non-stop TA CLO-LIM will arrive at LIM practically at the same time: 21:00. Same with TA MDE-
53 RCS763AV : This is weird, I know they have been trying to boost connecting traffic at LIM but why fly at the same time? My guess is that we might see the MDE-UI
54 Summa767 : What a totally pathetic statement. If there are bad things happening, it is right to criticise them, and not -like you- to be an apologist for them.
55 Post contains links RCS763AV : Well that's true, but they could optimize the schedule and give the traveler further options with what is available. I did not know about the SJO-PTY
56 AV757 : It's a shame that they are wasting all that money for a VOR at SKMZ La Nubia, that is not the solution to improve arrival minimums due to the geograph
57 Summa767 : I guess so, since they only just recently increased to daily from 3 weekly, whilst leaving the non-stop SJO-MDE at 4 weekly. The thing is that due to
58 Avianca : really dont get it, specially that TA is 2 wafes at the LIM hub, a morning connection would be more than welcome + also a night departure ex LIMA - s
59 Post contains links SCL767 : It looks like Avianca will reduce its growth rate this year. When will AV start to transfer the A332s over to TACA Perú? Avianca Slows Growth Pace as
60 bogota : As usual your lack of courtesy and education stands out as a sore thumb. Nice, very nice and decent person you seem to be. Just because I do not agre
61 SJOtoLIR : I don't manage the official figures about how is doing the tag-on called TA/LR PTY-MDE and vice versa. It isn't hard to imagine the performance of th
62 RCS763AV : They won't grow 18% but 14%, anticipating a slump in global economical growth. They are still going to grow in double digits, 14% growth is huge for
63 A388 : Yes, smart move by AV and nothing uncommon looking at the worldwide economic outlook. A388
64 falkerker : I know it is bit out of topic and perhaps has been discussed / not disclosed, does anyone know what AV plans to do with the 788? Yes, I know it is sti
65 Post contains links RCS763AV : It will be 2014. Probably. The leases on the A332s were thought to expire by the arrival of the 787s. More routes to Europe are almost a given, as we
66 jfk777 : With the ever expanding airline and the need for long haul planes from Multiple hubs is it really a good idea to return 8 year old A330-200 ? AV coul
67 Post contains links and images A388 : Hey guys, My first photo taken in BOG is in the database. See it in below link: View Large View MediumPhoto © Roger Cannegieter - Curacao Aviation Ph
68 Post contains links falkerker : A bit off topic (it's becoming a trend, lol). Just saw this on a local newspaper saying Congress will pass a bill regulating pilots' maximum monthly f
69 Avianca : yes they have, hence I can not understand why they did not scheduled the new service leaving colombia in the morning and leaving LIM at night.
70 RCS763AV : My thoughts exactly. Maybe due to the domestic rotations in LIM? Congrats! AV just recently ordered 6 extra A330-200s. The leases on the current bird
71 757MDE : They are already phased out. If I am not mistaken one already left the country.
72 A388 : That explains why I didn't see any LAN Q400's when I was in BOG. I was so very much hoping to see them but I guess I never will. A388
73 RCS763AV : Oh. Ok. Do you know how the Q400 exclusive routes are being operated now? I have also heard that of 11 Q200s there are only 8 that are active.
74 757MDE : Not specifically, but I guess with a mix of what they have left. I do not know exactly how many active Q200s they have, but I understand they intend
75 Avianca : just booked CCS-LIM-MDE-PTY-TGU-SAP-PTY-BOG-CCS TA/CM combo... including the new flight LIM-MDE as per the rotation it looks like that they use the s
76 A388 : LAN will face a dillemma when they need to replace those Q200's. I assume the capacity of those Q200's is great for a lot of small airports they fly t
77 SJOtoLIR : I have my doubts about any Guatemala City - Madrid as non-stop service for any long-haul equipment. IB currently flies from GUA to MAD through San Sa
78 Post contains links RCS763AV : Guatemala is not even a TA hub, not to mention it's very well known technical limitations. On positive news, Easyfly will start international flights
79 Avianca : would love to see Easyfly also in Venezuela, their is a very big community in Venezuela with "Costeños Colombianos". Cheers Avianca
80 Post contains links RCS763AV : There is indeed, a BAQ-CCS flight could do well. A link from MAR to BOG would be a success also. AviancaTaca have transported almost 11 million passe
81 falkerker : Great news!! almost 80%LF, 13% increase in ASK, NICE! It's very nice to see AV doing so well amidst the world crisis. Let's hope we don't "catch the
82 AF086 : Apparently JJ will cancel it's GRU-BOG services. EFF 10SEP12 JJ8017 - BOG 19:10 03:15 GRU 320 - DAILY JJ8016 - GRU 12:40 16:40 BOG 320 - DAILY CANCELL
83 Avianca : no surprise with this horrible schedule!
84 RCS763AV : As I said on the brazilian thread, this is very surprising! Guess AviancaTaca's better on-board offering has the lead here, plust the possiblity of f
85 Bogota : Actually it has to do with allowing LAN Colombia to take over the route, LAN will operate A320 daily by September and B767 by early next year. TAM wi
86 RCS763AV : Yes, it is still a reduction in capacity from the would have been two daily flight options of airbus A320s.
87 Bogota : Not exactly, it is a reorganization like many others that have happened since LAN took over Aires. In the end they know exactly how they are moving t
88 Post contains links RCS763AV : It's a reorganization allright, but it has nothing to do with the takeover of AIRES by LAN, more with the whole LATAM scheme. And it is still a reduc
89 colinatl : Can anyone give us an update on the progress of the new terminal at Eldorado airport in Bogota? When will it go into service? Any pics?
90 RCS763AV : The terminal is coming along great. It will go into service gradually starting the middle of next month and should be fully operational by the end of
91 A388 : Having travelled to/from BOG several times now (my children were born in Bogota prematurely), I have only experienced the current terminal which is v
92 RCS763AV : What's remaining of the check-in area is the construction that you can see in front of the current terminal. For the concourses, yes, the terminal wi
93 A388 : Yes, I mean the A319. The only A319's I have seen, were the ones I traveled in to CUR. All narrowbody Airbuses I have seen and photographed were A320
94 RCS763AV : Well that's weird. Maybe they were in remote positions when you were there. But of course, if you weren't past security, there's the possibility they
95 bogota : I I thought this was coming very soon, Avianca´s commercials on many cable channels (which are seen all over Latin America) are announcing the four h
96 A388 : I was passed security but probably those A319's were not using the international terminal during that time or like you said I have just missed them.
97 summa767 : LAN and TAM are all over the place in their decision making. They have now decided that TAM will stay 5 x week, shelved plans for LAN to operate dail
98 RCS763AV : Indeed, that had been happening since july. Let's see how this all pans out, it seems they're not quite sure what to do with the BOG-GRU route. It wi
99 Post contains links RCS763AV : AviancaTaca have published their 1st half earnings, a total of $40.1 million USD, growing a shy 4.6% yoy. Q2 earnings improved over 330%, operating in
100 777jaah : I just a BOG-MDE-BOG in AV for COP 203.000 rt. Pretty cheap, and definetively competition is good for us customers. I will tend to say EERYONE with t
101 2travel2know2 : What are the latest news on VVC: "Villavicencio/Bogotá" Vanguardia airport? Has Viva Colombia or any other had plans to turned it into BOG answer to
102 AF086 : Today TAM confirmed that Aires will take over the GRU-BOG services from Sept 10. TAM's own flights are no longer bookable in the system (again). LATA
103 summa767 : Thanks. Good that the situation is settled. It still puzzles me that LATAM will go from TAM's A320 with a proper business class, to LAN's which are b
104 SCL767 : Perhaps TAM plans on deploying the aircraft on a more high yielding route. LATAM does have corporate contracts from businesses that are located throu
105 RCS763AV : They are going to operate with the 737 at first. It's still sad that this will actually mean a reduction in frequency, and in capacity until they hav
106 summa767 : I think that there is no doubt that TAM will indeed use the A320 on a more profitable route. A sign that it's finding it very hard to compete on GRU-
107 SCL767 : There is significantly more business traffic on other regional routes such as GRU-AEP, GRU-EZE, GRU-LIM, GRU-MVD, GRU-SCL, etc. These are the core re
108 summa767 : I am sure they do, as does everyone else. In fact, that's what I stated in the first place..Why keep repeating it? I don't doubt it, but AV manages t
109 SCL767 : It goes both ways. AV-TA dominates BOG and can alter schedules and add new flights that are convenient to their operations at BOG; whereas neither LA
110 summa767 : That must give you a lot of comfort. Well done. I am pleased to hear about more widebody aircraft for LAN. I gather than AV-TA will also start operat
111 RCS763AV : For LATAM you say. The vast majority of passengers on the BOG-GRU route are business people. In fact, Avianca has at least 348 business seats each we
112 SCL767 : Applying for slots at GRU is a transparent process and no carrier is given preference. TAM and GOL have both built up their presence at GRU for years
113 2travel2know2 : I acknowledge VVC isn't good for domestic Colombian flights, even ADZ very iffy. However, for flights to the States, that would be another story. Rig
114 SCL767 : AV-TA also competes directly with LAN on the SCL-BOG and LIM-SCL routes. Of course LAN has the Chilean corporate contracts on the SCL-BOG route which
115 summa767 : This is just AV: Schedule for yesterday, but 7 dailies everyday. 9760 MDE - CTG 08:50 17 ago 10:00 17 ago 9772 MDE - CTG 11:23 17 ago 12:33 17 ago 93
116 RCS763AV : Avianca flies the same frequency on the A330, also filled with colombian corporate contracts. So it's not the same situation as SCL-LIM, far from it.
117 AF086 : TAM requested yesterday to the brazilian regulator cancellation of it's GRU-BOG service. Now it's pretty much done. Sources say that this flights was
118 summa767 : I am also surprised at the increase in capacity. I would have thought that AV at 3 or 4 daily and VC at 2 daily, both on A320 family a/c would be fai
119 Avianca : but the flight allowes basically no connections in BOG, really dont understand the biggest bunch of currents Lan international flights ex Bog... very
120 RCS763AV : There will be. With the fares that Copa, LAN and Avianca charge to San Andrés island, Viva will come as a huge relief to the island's tourism market
121 summa767 : You may well be right. On one hand there is Viva setting up new routes from MDE that have only been operated with turbo-props from EOH. But there is
122 Post contains links RCS763AV : As had been reported by CAPA, colombian press is now further documenting Jetblue's expansion plans into the country, Dave Barger and a bunch of B6 exe
123 Post contains links RCS763AV : BOG's new international terminal will be 100% operational in october, occasional flights will be using the terminal between september 4th and septembe
124 falkerker : When in October? Santos said "third week". I mean, when will I be checking in at the new terminal and not at old BOG? I hope they publish this info i
125 777jaah : O don't know, but the only thing that i want is it to be ready for my november trip to Miami.
126 Avianca : as per my understanding they have 2 daily flights MDE-ADZ-MDE yes ADZ must be a money maker for all 3!
127 RCS763AV : The land that EOH occupies could be used for much more valuable projects than the old little airport. Prime real estate space could be built up there
128 SCL767 : In terms of the number of flights that operate into any Colombian airport; what is EOH's rank?[Edited 2012-08-22 19:13:40]
129 RCS763AV : It should be quite high up there, probably top 10, but it's nothing that MDE with an improved landing system or a new runway couldn't take. Taking aw
130 Avianca : isnt it the second ranked airport in terms of flights? Cheers Avianca
131 777jaah : I saw yesterday 2 AV's A320s at gates in the new terminal, looked like they were doing some practicing runs of the whole thing, including baggage han
132 RCS763AV : This is the current domestic schedule for AV, CM* and LA at BOG, on a September monday: Avianca/LAN/Copa daily flights: MDE 27/9/4 CLO 23/6/4 CTG 14/5
133 Post contains links RCS763AV : The AviancaTaca holding has transported 13,5% more passengers form january to july, as compared to the same period last year: http://www.elespectador.
134 summa767 : Given that EOH in under a 20 year concession, for which improvement works have been made for a brighter and more pleasant terminal and walkways to th
135 Post contains links RCS763AV : So the DOT filing in which AV intends to change the TA brand is finally on colobmain press: http://www.elespectador.com/impreso/...-avianca-acelera-ab
136 summa767 : Certainly repetitive. I don't think that the reference to 3 A330s coming next year are all passenger aircraft. I believe that 2 of those will be frei
137 RCS763AV : That makes sense, but then why did they mention the two A330Fs separately? Maybe it's a journalism mistake, knowing how common they are. What remains
138 summa767 : Indeed one cannot take what is written in newspapers at face value. It would be good if there were 3 pax A330s coming next year, and that the article
139 757MDE : They renewed the leases on the -200 series not long ago. I am not saying they won't be phased out, they may but it won't be as soon as many people th
140 Post contains links and images RCS763AV : Doesn't she look great? View Large View MediumPhoto © T.Laurent
141 Post contains links RCS763AV : LAN Colombia is leaving the cities of Manizales (490k metro area) and Armenia (370k metro + very strong tourism sector), citing the operational restra
142 SCL767 : By the end of this year, LAN Colombia will only have a fleet of 9 DHC-8-200s, 6 B-737-700s and 6 A-320s. Look at LAN's schedule from BOG next month,
143 Post contains links 777jaah : In this article, OPAIN blames DIAN. It seems they never showed up in protest on because they made some last minute demands regarding space and who el
144 Post contains images A388 : Hey guys, I finally got a minute to post my latest Bogota photos on the forum. Please find them below: More to come!!! A388
145 RCS763AV : They're very nice! I think there's a second daily to VUP and that's it, but you tell me. LAN is no doubt shrinking their domestic network by cutting
146 SCL767 : It's good that LAN is closing two underperforming stations and focusing on increasing frequency and capacity on existing routes. Destinations such as
147 summa767 : Armenia and Manizales were existing routes -and for a long time- until now that LAN has decided to axe them. Sure, they may be under performing, but
148 A388 : Talking about Viva Colombia, I was at the airport in BOG from 10:00 to 15:00 and have only seen a single flight of Viva Colombia which I photographed.
149 summa767 : MDE-BOG does have over 35 daily flights each way between the airlines, and that's not counting Satena from EOH. Viva cannot compete on frequency, but
150 777jaah : Yesterday, I saw VC's flight MDE-ADZ embarking and I could tell it was comething close to a full flight. Aldo I saw some good departing-arriving acti
151 RCS763AV : There will be no increases in capacity on the trunk routes other than those which are already in place. And again, Manizales and Armenia are strong m
152 Post contains images A388 : Thanks for the clarification RCS763AV, member summa767 also said this. For a low cost airline that just started I can understand they want to serve g
153 Post contains links RCS763AV : The issues at ElDorado's new terminal have been resolved: http://www.portafolio.co/negocios/di...ain-arreglan-que-eldorado-funcione It seems that the
154 summa767 : A couple of news: Avianca has taken delivery of its 10th A330-200, which features the Star Alliance livery. It is expected that as a result, another A
155 777jaah : Now the big question is what routes will be seeing this 330. Anything but the 767 will be a major downgrade in their hard product, not a good move, c
156 Post contains links falkerker : Reading through the link about DIAN and Aerocivil mismatch regarding the new BOG, I saw this article stating AV is interested in acquiring TAP Portuga
157 777jaah : According to official AV speakers, the airline or one of its affiliates is not interested in buying TP. One whole different game is Mr Efromovich, wh
158 Post contains links summa767 : A single A330 will probably only allow LIM-EZE-LIM, and then LIM-BOG-LIM in a 24 hour period. Given the restricted 4 x a week BOG-EZE that Argentina
159 AV757 : AV just received delivery of its A330-243 registry N342AV c/n 1342 in Star Alliance livery. It is number nine of the original ten ordered. Number ten
160 summa767 : Indeed the 9th. Thanks for the correction. Would you have any idea where the capacity of the 10th A330 will go? to BOG for more expansion there, or t
161 Post contains links RCS763AV : Indeed, it is Synergy rather than the AviancaTaca consortium, they issued a press release, because portuguese press have been getting it wrong repeat
162 SJOtoLIR : I totally agreed with TA LIM-EZE with 330. TA LIM-MIA is another candidate for such plane, given the expansion followed by LP LIM-MIA who's operating
163 clo1973 : A source in Aerocali informed in another forum that Aerogal will start flights between CLO and GYE since Oct. 23rd: GYE-CLO: Tu, Th, Fr at 1910 CLO-GY
164 AF086 : Avianca requested the brazilian aviation authority in increase of their BOG-GIG service to daily: EFF 01DEC12 AV260 - GIG 0940 1310 BOG - DAILY - 319
165 summa767 : That's great news. I imagine that the A330 would be the next step -even if just some days of the week- as the A320 would have restrictions. However,
166 falkerker : That's a big jump in capacity from a A319 to A330. Perhaps since they have gone from 3xW to daily the loads will be there but wouldn´t it be best to
167 summa767 : We don't really know if the A330 coming March next year will be based at BOG or LIM. However, there might be more coming as Synergy topped up its ord
168 falkerker : I know this is full speculation mode, but wouldn´t AV prefer to expand their network with the new A/C (788, A350) rather than upgauge currently exis
169 summa767 : I guess there would be a bit of both! But not just from BOG, as LIM will only just get its first AV-TA widebody, and so potential for new routes (MAD
170 falkerker : Interesting years coming for AV. 787 in a bit less than 2 years, A350 in 5 years or so (fingers crossed). I hope it continues to improve as it has lat
171 777jaah : Although their hard product is fine, is really nothing to write home about. Where I feel they could have some improvements, is in their inflight serv
172 AV757 : The second A330-243 for TA is scheduled to be in April of 2013, by then they will have acquired the operating experience and ETOPS rating to operate
173 RCS763AV : I would guess maybe more frequency, because, as has been said in earlier posts, A330 capacity from BOG will not be growing significantly. But I agree
174 A388 : So will these A330's have the TACA colorscheme or will the brand TACA be replaced by Avianca by that time? If so, I'm sad to see the TACA brand go. A
175 summa767 : I doubt it. CM already flies 2 daily flights, and it's only a matter of time before it goes 3 x daily. Talking of which, TA is increasing its PTY-GRU
176 SJOtoLIR : In my view, this 330 will never feature the TACA color-scheme as the unification process into the AV brand would begin as soon as the first half of 2
177 summa767 : Correction: I mean Copa (CM) is increasing its PTY-GRU to 4 daily flights
178 RCS763AV : I sometimes forget how underserved the Rio market is. Although AV's flight is directly competing with CM and must certainly be taking away a lot of c
179 SCL767 : On 18OCT12, AA will close its Admirals Club at BOG permanently. LAN will open a new Salón VIP at BOG during Spring, 2013 for LANPASS and TAM Fidelid
180 Post contains links RCS763AV : Well that's unexpected, given that OPAÍN's president publicly said AA would have a lounge at the new terminal, and that the space was already reserv
181 SCL767 : Not really, considering that AA is cutting cost. LAN Airlines will continue to operate the SCL-BOG route. LAN Colombia will launch BOG-SCL in order t
182 troest : Sad to see LAN reducing more and more in regional Colombia, but good to see EF actually can make a profit out of it.
183 summa767 : It is certainly a very good thing that EasyFly has been quick on their feet and get in regional routes, where they have been growing, and continue to
184 RCS763AV : Indeed. If the regional cities don't have competition, traveling by plane becomes too expensive and with Colombia's terrible roads it really puts a h
185 SCL767 : LAN is starting to increase frequencies on certain routes: LA 7 LA 4 LA 2 LA 3 It's also time for LAN Colombia to ramp up its international operations
186 bogota : Not quite, I had said this would happen a few months back. The first 767 will be in BOG as early as mid-November. Flight crews are flying now at LIM,
187 SCL767 : Have you heard of any other 767 routes that LAN Colombia will operate besides BOG-GRU, BOG-JFK, BOG-MAD, BOG-MIA, BOG-SCL? There's one route specific
188 Post contains links and images SCL767 : On 17OCT12, LA will increase frequency on the BOG-VVC route. LAN Airlines has changed the schedule of the SCL-BOG route effective immediately: LA572
189 summa767 : That would be only leave a 25 min turnaround. I believe that the return from BOG will be 2355 LAN needs all the feed it can get. Every little will he
190 SCL767 : And LAN already code-shares on many IB operated flights via MAD. It will be a huge blow to AV when they loose the code-share with IB. Perhaps you sho
191 summa767 : It will be bad news for both airlines. Hence we have not seen any movement to change the status quo. AV has codes on IB domestic flights only, and wh
192 SCL767 : You said it, "that my change". As you can see LA is increasing frequencies on routes via BOG. Yes we have, AVTA joined Star Alliance and I would say
193 summa767 : I also said:options for IB pax will be much fewer with LA than with AV. FACT! Let us keep to reality. No JV have been proposed. The fact remains that
194 SCL767 : IAG pax will have more options for travel between Europe and South America. Your focus is only on traffic between Spain and Colombia. Your opinion is
195 summa767 : Yes. If you look at the top of the screen, you may notice that this is the *Colombian* Aviation Series. My opinion is based on fact.: That IB pax hav
196 SCL767 : So you do not think that LAN will increase flights into PEI as LAN said that the airline would focus on increasing frequencies into PEI when it cut A
197 RCS763AV : I believe that is a seasonal increase for the december season. The actual increase will be to 5 daily. Those will indeed increase. BOG-MIA will indee
198 summa767 : What does the DOT have to do with it?!! TA will receive an A330 in the next few weeks, whether you like it or not. The only thing the DOT might not a
199 RCS763AV : These will be the frequency increases in the BOG hub for AVTA regarding international flights during the next season: BOG-SDQ from 6 to 7 weekly BOG-M
200 troest : We will most likely see new european routes and added frequencies when AV start receiving the 787. Could imagine CLO-MAD and BOG-BCN with AV will be
201 RCS763AV : Yes. Also keep in mind that Synergy has 6 more pax A330s on order that will start being delivered at some point (i'm guessing in late 2013 maybe), so
202 troest : Indeed. And 15 787's on order.
203 A388 : SCL767, you need to realize and accept that LAN will never be able to dominate or even come close to AV to and from Colombia. That would be the same a
204 jfk777 : That is what they said at one time about Pan AM and its GONE. Avianca has always been Colombia's top airline because al the other were financially ch
205 A388 : Discussing "what if" scenarios is useless. I can also think of a lot of "what if" scenarios. As I said before, AV and the Colombian government will n
206 jfk777 : So Avianca is big in Colombia what does that mean ? Since you are the Dutch Antilles KLM is a big airline from a small country( an airline I have flo
207 A388 : I stand by what I've said before. AV is the largest in Colombia and they always will be. The fact that LAN has more money or "owns everything" means
208 troest : And Mexico Anything could happen. Avianca has a different growth strategy then LAN and we are also talking of two very different products. But here i
209 RCS763AV : You guys thread number 11 is already open! Discuss things over there! Mods, could you lock this thread? Thanks!
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