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#10 In The Colombian Aviation Series  
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15960 times:

To start off thread #10, here's an article from La República stating many facts about the entry into operation of the new terminal in BOG, which is the biggest deal right now in colombian aviation, now that Viva is finally flying:

http://www.larepublica.com.co/node/13485

AV and AA will have lounges at the new terminal, much bigger ones also! CM and LA are also interested but haven't sent a formal applicaiton to OPAÍN.

To a good discussion, now that we've made it to the double digits!.

[Edited 2012-06-26 04:47:44]

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User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16221 times:

Formal applications can not be sent yet, OPAIN is only dealing with office space and lounges according to what already exists. Basically to be fair and square the existing operators of lounges have been assigned lounges, the existing operators of office space have been assigned office space. Once that is finalized they will open a bid process for new operators of office and lounge area in the international concourse. LAN has been acquiring extra office space in the existing building and will probably operate the AA lounge for its domestic operations once the existing international terminal becomes domestic, that way they can ensure also a lounge at the new domestic terminal, just as Avianca and Copa will have as they operate a lounge for their domestic flights also.

I have also heard that LAN Colombia will operate 3 B767 quite soon, two brand new ones and one inherited from LAN Chile. These will operate to LAX, GRU and MAD. The MIA flight will be operated by a SCL based 767 but with BOG based crew on the MIA sector, basically doing SCL-BOG-MIA-BOG-SCL. I have also heard SFO as a possible flight together with GIG, so basically BOG, up to what I am understanding, is beginning to plan its international hub as Brazil-US connecting center. GRU and LAX will also be operated in the same plane as I understand: GRU-BOG-LAX.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16189 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
I have also heard that LAN Colombia will operate 3 B767 quite soon, two brand new ones and one inherited from LAN Chile. These will operate to LAX, GRU and MAD. The MIA flight will be operated by a SCL based 767 but with BOG based crew on the MIA sector, basically doing SCL-BOG-MIA-BOG-SCL.

Fantastic news Bogota! The BOG based crews have been training here in Santiago for a while now. I've never seen the training facilities so busy. Also, I often fly on the SCL-BOG-MIA route and enjoy that flight! Passengers will enjoy the new products and the new Premium Business and Economy Classes that LAN has introduced on the brand new B-767-316ERs!

Saludos,


User currently offlinefalkerker From Seychelles, joined Apr 2012, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16199 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
have also heard SFO as a possible flight together with GIG

Thank god they´re starting non-stop BOG-West coast routes again. It´s a pain having to go through central america to get there via AV TA. Although, to SCL767´s sadness I prefer AV TA to LAN any day of the week (unless I can get there non-stop)


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16160 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
I have also heard SFO as a possible flight together with GIG

This route would complement the GRU-LIM-SFO route. However, are you sure that LAN will operate it instead of TAM?

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
GRU and LAX will also be operated in the same plane as I understand: GRU-BOG-LAX.

This routing will complement the existing SCL-LIM-LAX and EZE-LIM-LAX routes.


User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16153 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 4):
This route would complement the GRU-LIM-SFO route. However, are you sure that LAN will operate it instead of TAM?

SFO as a destination is flight crew gossip so we can take it with a grain of salt. But what they said it would be a GIG-BOG-SFO which could compliment the GRU-LIM-SFO very nicely. The GRU-BOG-LAX is confirmed not sure if late 2012 or early 2013. The MIA is also confirmed, as said with a SCL based 767, SCL crew would operate the SCL-BOG-SCL sectors, BOG crew would operate the BOG-MIA-BOG sectors. MAD would come next, so would JFK. For those of you that love thinking about rotations, how many frequencies could those 767 do on these routes? Condorx?


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16132 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
Basically to be fair and square the existing operators of lounges have been assigned lounges, the existing operators of office space have been assigned office space. Once that is finalized they will open a bid process for new operators of office and lounge area in the international concourse.

Thanks for the info. The new Avianca lounge will have 2000 sq meters, how big is the current facility, around 500-600? AA's lounge will be 700 sq m and the current facility has no more than 300 sq m. It will be a very big improvement.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
LAN has been acquiring extra office space in the existing building and will probably operate the AA lounge for its domestic operations once the existing international terminal becomes domestic, that way they can ensure also a lounge at the new domestic terminal, just as Avianca and Copa will have as they operate a lounge for their domestic flights also.

Interesting and intelligent use of the current AA lounge.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
These will operate to LAX, GRU and MAD.
LAX is badly needed! It's ridiculous to have to go through damn SJO and SAL! There is demand! Also, even if it's old news, MAD will be a welcome addition too.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
The MIA flight will be operated by a SCL based 767 but with BOG based crew on the MIA sector, basically doing SCL-BOG-MIA-BOG-SCL.

Finally, so they can offer a decent product! More capacity on the BOG- South Florida sector is also welcome.

BOG - MIA now has

AA 1x 763, 1x 757, 1x 738
AV 1x 332, 1x 320
LA 1x 320

BOG-FLL now has

AV 1x 320
B6 1x 320
NK 1x 320

Quoting Bogota (Reply 1):
I have also heard SFO as a possible flight together with GIG,

Those seem a bit far fetched.

[Edited 2012-06-26 07:03:18]

User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16143 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 2):
I've never seen the training facilities so busy

You have access to those facilities?? Are you a LAN employee?? Please, I will hear to elaborate from you about you seeing these facilities....

Quoting Bogota (Reply 5):
However, are you sure that LAN will operate it instead of TAM?

You tell us, you're the one who seems to have access to very specific LAN information/facilities.



About AV exercising 3 options on the 787s.....good for them, good for the LIM widebody base (despite whatever type they end up getting, either 330s or 787s) but I feel compensation by Boeing is behind all this. I'm not saying is the only driver, and that they got them for free, but probably they gave AV a good on these frames as part of the delay compensation. I know they were really talking about it last year, and numbers were over usd100m, but nothing was a definetively, one might think by this time a deal has been struck.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16105 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 5):
The GRU-BOG-LAX is confirmed not sure if late 2012 or early 2013. The MIA is also confirmed, as said with a SCL based 767, SCL crew would operate the SCL-BOG-SCL sectors, BOG crew would operate the BOG-MIA-BOG sectors. MAD would come next, so would JFK. For those of you that love thinking about rotations, how many frequencies could those 767 do on these routes? Condorx?

LAN has adopted a new method where certain a/c operate will operate a certain route into a U.S. destination, then operate a completely different route on the return. For example. LAN Ecuador will operate GYE-JFK daily, but the a/c would turn around and operate JFK-LIM-SCL, LA operates SCL-MIA but the a/c could turn around and operate MIA-BOG-SCL, like the current service. It increases the utilization of the a/c. This could occur at JFK, LAX and MAD, considering that LAN operates other B-767-316ERs services from those airports.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16091 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 7):
You have access to those facilities?? Are you a LAN employee?? Please, I will hear to elaborate from you about you seeing these facilities....

I've seen AV's pilots training on the F-100s at AA's Flight School at DFW.   My employment is irrelevant to this forum, as is yours. I posted a thread last year about LAN's training facilities:
LAN To Receive Its First B-787 During Q4 2012 (by SCL767 Nov 10 2011 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16092 times:

Rumors of LAN opening up BOG-West coast routes sound interesting, though one can't help but to think how severely weight-restricted would a 767-300ER on the BOG-LAX sector, let alone BOG-SFO. I remember back when AV operated BOG-LAX somebody told me that when a 767-300ER had to operate the route as last minue replacement when a 767-200ER went tech or something, the payload was so restricted that it wasn't even enough to break even the flight,though I must admit it was an isolated source. Curious about this.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16072 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 10):
Rumors of LAN opening up BOG-West coast routes sound interesting, though one can't help but to think how severely weight-restricted would a 767-300ER on the BOG-LAX sector, let alone BOG-SFO.

LAN would not operate older versions of the B763s on a BOG-LAX route. LAN will operate brand new B-767-316ERs with blended winglets on the BOG-LAX, BOG-JFK, and BOG-MAD routes. Currently LAN Cargo's affiliate MasAir operates BOG-LAX 3x weekly with the B763F without issues.

[Edited 2012-06-26 07:25:23]

User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2131 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 16027 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 6):
2000 sq meters

Holy #$@%! 2,000 sq mts? That is massive! Are you sure that is correct? I know the guy said it in the video interview, but 2,000 sq mts is huge! I can tell you it certainly would be way bigger than the SQ lounge in SIN (which I am most familiar with). You could easily fit 3-4 houses with a yard in that kind of space.

Cheers
Coal



Nxt Flts: SQ SYD-SIN-DEL-SIN-SYD | VA SYD-DPS-SYD
User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 16007 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 12):
Holy #$@%! 2,000 sq mts? That is massive! Are you sure that is correct? I know the guy said it in the video interview, but 2,000 sq mts is huge! I can tell you it certainly would be way bigger than the SQ lounge in SIN (which I am most familiar with). You could easily fit 3-4 houses with a yard in that kind of space.

It will be huge! AV will probably host to all Star Alliance members flying into BOG. Let's wait and see what AV's lounge will offer.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15937 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 6):
Finally, so they can offer a decent product! More capacity on the BOG- South Florida sector is also welcome.

BOG - MIA now has

AA 1x 763, 1x 757, 1x 738
AV 1x 332, 1x 320
LA 1x 320

LAN still offers Premium Business on the BOG-MIA and MIA-BOG sectors 3x weekly:
LA570 will continue to operate SCL-BOG-MIA 3x weekly B763 until the end of August
LA571 will continue to operate MIA-BOG-SCL 3x weekly B763 until the end of August

LAN Colombia will increase frequency on the BOG-MIA route to a daily service on 1JULY2012. Thus LAN will offer 10x weekly non-stop flights between BOG and MIA. LAN will also increase frequency on the SCL-BOG route to 9x weekly soon utilizing the B763.

[Edited 2012-06-26 10:59:18]

User currently offlinefalkerker From Seychelles, joined Apr 2012, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15924 times:

Quoting troest (Reply 13):
It will be huge! AV will probably host to all Star Alliance members flying into BOG. Let's wait and see what AV's lounge will offer.

Let's hope it's up to Star Alliance standards in terms of catering and comfort (SQ SilverKris at Changi comes to mind). After all, they entered Star Alliance in part due to the convenience of the BOG hub, they should live up to it (maybe I´m just talking with desire LOL)


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2131 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15818 times:

Quoting falkerker (Reply 15):
SQ SilverKris at Changi comes to mind

Let's hope it's better than that! Let's hope it's as good as the NZ lounge in SYD.

Cheers
Coal



Nxt Flts: SQ SYD-SIN-DEL-SIN-SYD | VA SYD-DPS-SYD
User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15822 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 5):
SFO as a destination is flight crew gossip so we can take it with a grain of salt. But what they said it would be a GIG-BOG-SFO which could compliment the GRU-LIM-SFO very nicely.

Flight crew gossip can be very unreliable. I'm somewhat skeptical with the GIG leg considering that not even LP, which is stablished for much longer, serves GIG already.

If it happens, though, would put some pressure on AV on the route. We'll see.



Please insert a "smart" joke here.
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15700 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 12):
Holy #$@%! 2,000 sq mts? That is massive! Are you sure that is correct? I know the guy said it in the video interview, but 2,000 sq mts is huge!

That's what the article says, i'm not lying. It will be huge.

Quoting falkerker (Reply 15):
Let's hope it's up to Star Alliance standards in terms of catering and comfort (SQ SilverKris at Changi comes to mind).

They have the chance to make a state of the art, top notch lounge, so let's see!

Quoting AF086 (Reply 17):
Flight crew gossip can be very unreliable. I'm somewhat skeptical with the GIG leg considering that not even LP, which is stablished for much longer, serves GIG already.

If it happens, though, would put some pressure on AV on the route. We'll see.

GIG is not going to happen yet for LA Colombia. The only international route I see happening in the near future is MAD, then maybe LAX.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15696 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 18):

Quoting AF086 (Reply 17):
Flight crew gossip can be very unreliable. I'm somewhat skeptical with the GIG leg considering that not even LP, which is stablished for much longer, serves GIG already.

If it happens, though, would put some pressure on AV on the route. We'll see.

GIG is not going to happen yet for LA Colombia. The only international route I see happening in the near future is MAD, then maybe LAX.

However TAM could launch GIG-BOG 3x weekly by the end of this year. LAN has decided to rapidly increase LAN Colombia's international expansion and will most definitely launch BOG-JFK this year to complement LAN's existing services at JFK. LAN Colombia will launch the BOG-LAX and BOG-MAD routes by Q4. Thus LAN Colombia will be operating non-stop services from BOG to GRU, JFK, LAX, MAD, and MIA. LAN will continue to operate the SCL-BOG route, TAM will continue to operate the GRU-BOG route and LAN Perú will continue to operate LIM-BOG 2x daily. It's also very likely that LAN Perú may increase capacity on one of the two daily LIM-BOG services by deploying the B763 on the route. LAN will transfer another A320 to LAN Ecuador after the new Quito airport opens in order to increase flights within Ecuador and to launch both UIO-BOG and GYE-BOG.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15648 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 14):
Thus LAN will offer 10x weekly non-stop flights between BOG and MIA.

For two months, then a daily A320.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 14):
LAN still offers Premium Business on the BOG-MIA and MIA-BOG sectors 3x weekly:

Indeed. Up until august.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
However TAM could launch GIG-BOG 3x weekly by the end of this year.

Would be glad to see a formal application by TAM to Aerocivil about these frequencies.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
LAN has decided to rapidly increase LAN Colombia's international expansion and will most definitely launch BOG-JFK this year to complement LAN's existing services at JFK.

I would love to see an official statement from the airline, but this is a highly likely market, AIRES did fly to JFK in the past.


User currently offlinefalkerker From Seychelles, joined Apr 2012, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15656 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 16):
Let's hope it's as good as the NZ lounge in SYD

Never been there, sadly, but I agree that:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 18):
They have the chance to make a state of the art, top notch lounge, so let's see!

They have the space, and political pressure from star alliance to make the best lounge possible. Let´s hope we can someday be proud of an AV lounge. IMHO the current lounges either at BOG international or at puente aereo are nothing to be proud of....


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 15620 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 5):
The MIA is also confirmed, as said with a SCL based 767, SCL crew would operate the SCL-BOG-SCL sectors, BOG crew would operate the BOG-MIA-BOG sectors. MAD would come next, so would JFK. For those of you that love thinking about rotations, how many frequencies could those 767 do on these routes? Condorx?

3 frames should be fine for MAD, JFK, GRU and LAX. I guess some of these will not be daily to allow for some mx time and back up allowance. I trust that LAN will do well with LAX, which is a market they know well. Ditto with GRU, given the marriage with TAM and all distribution. I would be less sure about JFK on the 767. GIG and SFO seem more far fetched at the moment.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 10):
I remember back when AV operated BOG-LAX somebody told me that when a 767-300ER had to operate the route as last minue replacement when a 767-200ER went tech or something, the payload was so restricted that it wasn't even enough to break even the flight,though I must admit it was an isolated source. Curious about this.


It must have been before AV did an engine upgrade on the 763s in the last couple of years that it had them, when they were able to do BOG-MAD, though I guess no cargo would have been carried. On that basis, and as has been mentioned LAN's 763s have winglets, and presumably the most capable engines, I expect that they will be able to do both LAX and MAD quite viably. I suppose that LAX/GRU/JFK will come before MAD, as the ETOPS certification for Aires will require some non-ETOPS fly time (could be as little as a month if they expedite the process) before they are let loose across the Atlantic.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 15456 times:

B6 to fly JFK-CTG:

http://www.portafolio.co/negocios/je...s-tendra-ruta-nueva-york-cartagena

This is great news for the city of Cartagena! Welcome B6 and welcome New York!


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15341 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
My employment is irrelevant to this forum, as is yours

Ohh, you're wrong. All of the sudden, your fanatism towards LAN seems to have other interests rather than a pure enthusiasm for aviation.

Quoting falkerker (Reply 21):
would love to see an official statement from the airline, but this is a highly likely market, AIRES did fly to JFK in the past.

I fear this is almost an official statement.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 23):
B6 to fly JFK-CTG:

Any confirmation from B6?? Great news for CTG indeed.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 25, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15431 times:

Enclosed you will find a link to an article that sums up pretty well how Latin American Aviation stands at this moment.

http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...l-force-across-south-america-76917

See a good description of what the future holds for this region of the world in the aviation industry and alliances.

AV757


User currently offlinefalkerker From Seychelles, joined Apr 2012, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15425 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 24):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
My employment is irrelevant to this forum, as is yours
Quoting 777jaah (Reply 24):
Ohh, you're wrong. All of the sudden, your fanatism towards LAN seems to have other interests rather than a pure enthusiasm for aviation.

Couldn´t agree more, I have no issue whatsoever with true fanatism (like those who rave about SQ or EK) but if your so-called fanatism is behind corporate interests, please begone. This is a forum for those of us who proudly call ourselves aviation enthusiasts, not for corporate propaganda. If your paycheck (or your employer) forbids you from having honest discussions, please avoid having them at all SCL767.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4620 posts, RR: 4
Reply 27, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15249 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 10):
AV operated BOG-LAX somebody told me that when a 767-300ER had to operate the route

The dedicated AV BOG-LAX 5x weekly with 762 sector was retired some years ago, in order to boost AV BOG-SAL 7x weekly. Thus, daily connections between Los Angeles and Bogota were possible on AV-TA [BOG-SAL] and then TA SAL-LAX.
LAN Colombia seems to act different launching the imminent BOG-LAX service as non-stop in the future.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 28, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15122 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 27):
The dedicated AV BOG-LAX 5x weekly with 762 sector was retired some years ago, in order to boost AV BOG-SAL 7x weekly. Thus, daily connections between Los Angeles and Bogota were possible on AV-TA [BOG-SAL] and then TA SAL-LAX.

The BOG-SAL/SJO-LAX move was one of those that I call a "SAL initiative" move, directed clearly at boosting the small central american hubs but having a terrible macro effect on the airline's network (the decision to remove MIA-LIM as a non-stop is another example, a flight that was quickly reestablished after the merger, this hampered the growth of the LIM hub and LAN took full advantage). It swiped any competitive advantage they had over CM, AA, AM or UA via their hubs, which coincidentially, are all nicer transit airports than SAL and to an extent SJO (except for MIA's terribly inefficient customs maybe).

I acknowledge that the A330 was a bit too big of an aircraft for the route (going from 175 to 250 seats), but they could have cut frequency to 4x weekly and with the enhanced connections that BOG is offering today they could have grown it again.

I applaud LAN's bold and intelligent move, they will be taking advantage of a sizeable market that is there and AVTA simply decided to give away.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 29, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14997 times:

Very good interview from renowned journalist María Jimena Dussán, in which she openly questions the director of Aerocivil about the size of the new terminal, on how the contract was written (very in the style of the incompetence of the Uribe government when it came to infrastructure projects) but finally praising the new terminal, which is looking more beautiful every day, it also has some interesting facts and the director of Aerocivil talks about the new control tower:

http://www.semana.com/nacion/eldorad...ra-aeropuerto-panama/179886-3.aspx

(Spanish only)

Also, B6's JFK-CTG flights will apparently operate 3x a week, not one weekly, according to Cartagena's local newspaper El Universal:

http://www.eluniversal.com.co/cartag...entre-nueva-york-y-cartagena-82251


User currently offlinebogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14960 times:

Very mediocre interview in my opinion, as usual when a political analyst is trying to look interesting by asking "intelligent" questions about a subject she is not interested, but rather she is trying to blame her political opponents. Being such a well informed journalist she was rather uninformed.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 31, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14936 times:

any news on Colombia - Venezuela flights operated by LAN? as per my understanding they are whishin to reopen the old Aires BOG-MAR route.

cheers
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 32, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14895 times:

Quoting bogota (Reply 30):
Very mediocre interview in my opinion, as usual when a political analyst is trying to look interesting by asking "intelligent" questions about a subject she is not interested, but rather she is trying to blame her political opponents.
Quoting bogota (Reply 30):
Being such a well informed journalist she was rather uninformed.

I don't think she was uninformed. Actually, many of the responses from Aerocivil's director were evasive, starting from when he said that the contract was written before his administration and he had no responsibility for facts such as that the fines that must be legally imposed on the contractor for being late can be automatically taken into arbitration and NONE of the fines have been paid so far. çthe only part in which she was a little flaky was on the control tower situation, but she did manage to extract information on what the hell the Aerocivil was planning to do with the new control tower, something they had been silent about for a long time and wasn't really clear.

Also, I don't understand why OPAÍN and the government have been on a campaign to mitigate what the aviation chiefs and the general public are saying: the new BOG will be small and was badly projected. Yes, the government has a plan (it is still very unclear, but anyhow Dussán managed to make Castro spit the information that there are actually studies being undertaken already by a consulting firm), but what will be ready in 2014 will be clearly unable to handle the traffic. Santiago Castro says it will be bigger than PTY in floor area, probably from what they currently have in operation, but not with the addition of the north and south concourses. I think there she should have been more incisive, and instead decided to go easy on the Aerocivil's chief.

But it was definitely not a bad interview. After all, interviews are made to extract as much information as possible from a person, and she did get a lot more than what the other media have been publishing in the past three months.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 31):
any news on Colombia - Venezuela flights operated by LAN? as per my understanding they are whishin to reopen the old Aires BOG-MAR route.

No news.

[Edited 2012-07-02 11:40:11]

User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 33, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14736 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 32):
But it was definitely not a bad interview. After all, interviews are made to extract as much information as possible from a person, and she did get a lot more than what the other media have been publishing in the past three months

I totally agree with you. It was a fine interview, much as some people hate to see the incompetence in the way the concession was originally done brought to the fore.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 23):
B6 to fly JFK-CTG:

very good news for CTG in a move by jetBlue that's not without its risks. If it does well, the airline could expand service to other cities in Colombia.
Schedule:
JFK-CTG: 8:25 a.m. – 1:10 p.m.
CTG-JFK: 2:05 p.m. – 7:30 p.m.
- Flights operate on Tuesdays, Fridays and Saturdays effective November 2, 2012 –


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 34, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14743 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
However TAM could launch GIG-BOG 3x weekly by the end of this year.

JJ doesn't even launch GIG-SCL why would they serve GIG-BOG? They have a shiny A330 parked all day at GIG which could be used for the route but they choose not to.

So: forget GIG-BOG and even GIG-LIM with JJ and, apparently, with LP and LAN Colombia as well.



Please insert a "smart" joke here.
User currently offlinebogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 14693 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 32):
But it was definitely not a bad interview.

Not in my opinion, for such a famous journalist being so uninformed about the airport is shameful. She tried her best to turn it into a political discussion, yet she was unable to

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 32):
the new BOG will be small and was badly projected.

We all know that, many voices said it years ago how maybe it would have been better to invest in a larger international terminal instead of spending in tearing down the old terminal since not much more capacity would have been added. Now those same voices are complaining about lack of capacity.

Planning is a complex thing especially when government is involved, some would love to tear down the city to redoit from scratch, yet it is public funds we are talking about and it is not easy to plan when abiding to the law. It seems people do not understand it, I am very surprised somebody as "centered" as MJD can not grasp this concept.

OPAIN has never said the airport is big enough, what they have said is that most of the problems have to do with radars not gates. The airport will be expanded as soon as the new master plan comes out, a master plan that is adjusted to a new reality that nobody dreamed just 5 years ago, much less 10 or 15 years ago.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 32):
no responsibility for facts such as that the fines that must be legally imposed on the contractor for being late can be automatically taken into arbitration and NONE of the fines have been paid so far.

The law in civilized nations allows for self defense, especially when the government has draged its feet on many issues related to the airport. My personal opinion is that OPAIN has done a good job so far, they have continuosly invested in the old airport, regardless that they are not obliged to do it, just because it seems they want to provide as good of service as possible, knowing that the building will be torn down very soon.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14678 times:

Here's some pics on the new terminal:

http://www.eltiempo.com/Multimedia/g...el-aeropuerto-eldorado-_11983333-5

Last nite I flew on AV's *A 320. I saw they had some sort of mood lighting, took a pic with my phone, will post it later. Anyone knows whats the deal with this?? Is gonna be standard in the rest of the fleet??



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 37, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14589 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 33):
It was a fine interview, much as some people hate to see the incompetence in the way the concession was originally done brought to the fore.

Indeed, it's also a structural problem of colombian's puclic contract law. It's made so that the contractors can swipe away money from the state in the most horribly

Quoting AF086 (Reply 34):
JJ doesn't even launch GIG-SCL why would they serve GIG-BOG? They have a shiny A330 parked all day at GIG which could be used for the route but they choose not to.

Another one of his delusional suppositions. Let it be. I'll be happy when it happens, but it just isn't for now.

Quoting bogota (Reply 35):
Not in my opinion, for such a famous journalist being so uninformed about the airport is shameful.

How else did you want her to be? If someone has been ostracized about the airport's renovation process it's not only OPAÍN, but the government itself! The only people who have actual access! No one knows anything, not the press, not the journalists, the Aerocivil isn't clear, they present different facts every now and then (notice how the original airport capacity was 16m, then it became 20 when they announced the unified terminal, and now they're magically talking about 30, without adding one square meter of space?). She was very good at making Santago Castro actually give the public some punctual info instead of his very very abstract press appearances. Ok, she did have some wrong info on the tower, but at least she HAD something. I think that not even president Santos knows what the hell is going on with the twoer's contractual process.

Quoting bogota (Reply 35):
We all know that, many voices said it years ago how maybe it would have been better to invest in a larger international terminal instead of spending in tearing down the old terminal since not much more capacity would have been added. Now those same voices are complaining about lack of capacity.

I stand by my claim that a unified terminal is necessary. The 1959 terminal is simply not designed to handle large passenger jets comfortably (by large I mean anything larger than a 100 seater) and there was no space to modify that. The structure presents too many operational challengers for modern air travel that were unresolvable or would have cost a lot of money to fix (imagine trying to install an automated baggage system), probably the same as just tearing it down and building something else. That, and putting the domestic and international flights under the same roof (BOG's greatest strength as a connecting hub are its domestic connections, much more than the international ones), are the reasons the airport needed a unified terminal.

The airport was badly projected, period. Had it been by not tearing down the current terminal or doing what they are doing now, it would have been small. Now, by building a unified terminal they are not necessarily hampering future investment on the airport. At least the studies are being made, let's hope they come up with a 30 year old plan or something, not the c***p ADP made back then.

Quoting bogota (Reply 35):
The law in civilized nations allows for self defense, especially when the government has draged its feet on many issues related to the airport.

One thing is self defense, and another is providing a contractor with unlimited advantages. The government can't compete with OPAÍNS legal team, there are other things that are more urgent and the money just isn't there! One thing is to give the contractor the opportunity to arbitrate, but knowing you can fight back. Not only that, there is the possibility that if OPAÍN looses an arbitration, they could go to court, costing the government five or six times the amount of the fine they are about to process.

Quoting bogota (Reply 35):
My personal opinion is that OPAIN has done a good job so far, they have continuosly invested in the old airport, regardless that they are not obliged to do it, just because it seems they want to provide as good of service as possible, knowing that the building will be torn down very soon.

Yes, they have been doing a nice job. But that doesn't mean they can be late with the construction.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 36):
Anyone knows whats the deal with this?? Is gonna be standard in the rest of the fleet??

I want to know more about the new grey leather seats!


User currently offlinebogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14562 times:

Damn if you do, damn if you don´t. I warned about this discussion years ago when the unified terminal was proposed. What ever your opinion is, I respect it Mr. RCS, but really do not care about getting into an eternal discussion about what the perfect world should look like. Things could have been better? For sure, they always can be. But how somebody like that journalist did not even have clear that the original project did not include the unified terminal and hence the reason why it should have been finished earlier is beyond my understanding. Or maybe what is a political analyst trying to interview somebody about infrastructure? I guess I personally like looking at all sides before complaining about everything simply because my political motivations make me do it.

Anyhow, lets get back to the terminal. I said years ago that if the discussion of lack of capacity came back after the decision of spending millions on tearing down the old terminal I would keep my opinions to myself, hopefully so we could concentrate on our new reality with a unified terminal and less resources to spend on a larger capacity airport. Now we need to find out on how to get more resources so a larger terminal can continue to be built.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 39, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14423 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 37):
The airport was badly projected, period. Had it been by not tearing down the current terminal or doing what they are doing now, it would have been small. Now, by building a unified terminal they are not necessarily hampering future investment on the airport. At least the studies are being made, let's hope they come up with a 30 year old plan or something, not the c***p ADP made back then.

In fairness to ADP, they provided 3 different possibilities. Not only did the Uribe government choose the crappiest option out of the 3, but it only based the concession on only ONE phase of the worst one!
Not only was the airport badly projected, as you say, but the whole process was handled with the utmost incompetence.

Changing the plan from refurbishing the old terminal to having a unified one is one of the least bad outcomes, but the fact that the concession award was based on one project on which different bidders competed, but then changed radically AFTER one winner was chosen on a proposal that no longer was to be, meant that there was no real competition on a financial proposal for the real thing, no real choice of alternative ideas in the final design. What a mess.

What we have now -result of no competition- is undoubtedly far from the best outcome both in design and value for money, but at least it does allow for easy expansion going forward, by simple extension of the new terminal building to the sides. The new unified terminal is no architectural marvel, and indeed is quite passé in some respects, and it shows none of the urbanistic advances that Bogota was once recorgnised for, but it is nonetheless a significant mprovement on the current facilities.


User currently offlinebogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14439 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 39):
In fairness to ADP, they provided 3 different possibilities. Not only did the Uribe government choose the crappiest option out of the 3, but it only based the concession on only ONE phase of the worst one!
Not only was the airport badly projected, as you say, but the whole process was handled with the utmost incompetence.

This your very personal OPINION, but we can gladly discuss which were the other two proposals and what they had better.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 39):
Changing the plan from refurbishing the old terminal to having a unified one is one of the least bad outcomes, but the fact that the concession award was based on one project on which different bidders competed, but then changed radically AFTER one winner was chosen on a proposal that no longer was to be, meant that there was no real competition on a financial proposal for the real thing, no real choice of alternative ideas in the final design. What a mess.

You were the first one to cheer the need for a change in the design by ADP, then you complained because it was delayed, then you complained because there was no competition, then you complained because the changes were taking place longer that you imagined they should take place, then you complained because you did not like the design, then you complained because it would never be finished this year, then you complained because it would be too small, etc, etc, etc. I understand you want the world to circle around you, but sadly it does not.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 39):
What we have now -result of no competition- is undoubtedly far from the best outcome both in design and value for money, but at least it does allow for easy expansion going forward, by simple extension of the new terminal building to the sides. The new unified terminal is no architectural marvel, and indeed is quite passé in some respects, and it shows none of the urbanistic advances that Bogota was once recorgnised for, but it is nonetheless a significant mprovement on the current facilities.

It is actually achitecturally quite nice, maybe not your taste, but then nothing in Colombia never is (outside Medellin) that is.

[Edited 2012-07-04 10:39:47]

User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14392 times:

Quoting bogota (Reply 38):
I want to know more about the new grey leather seats!

Honestly, I sat on an emergency exit, so no recline. But I always love the feeling of a leather seat, rather than any type of fabric.

Here's the pic I took of the new lighting system:




Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 42, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14276 times:

Quoting bogota (Reply 40):
This your very personal OPINION, but we can gladly discuss which were the other two proposals and what they had better.

Look, as much as you try to confound the truth, the fact is that OPAIN had already been given the contract when the decision was made to forget the proposals in the bidding process (that were long drawn and on which a winner was selected) and go for demolition and a new building and not the not the refurbishment of the existing one. The other bidders had NO chance to submit their own proposals, both in design and, importantly cost. The competition was curtailed. Incompetence that one could not make up! The whole process has been a complete mess from the beginning, when it fell on the then vice-president Francisco Santos decide on the concession process.
As I said in my previous posts, what we have now, results of improvisation and last minute tumbles, is not the worst outcome (the unified terminal will allow easy expansion), but of course it is not the best outcome either.

Quoting bogota (Reply 40):
It is actually achitecturally quite nice, maybe not your taste, but then nothing in Colombia never is (outside Medellin) that is.

I did not say that it was "not nice". It looks pleasant alright, but it is no marvel. And on Urbanbism is absolutely poor.
It is so sad that whilst Enrique Peñalosa, Bogota's former mayor goes round the world advising cities on good urbanism, its own city does not even have a final plan to take the city's rapid bus system to the airport!
This is from 6 weeks ago!: http://www.elespectador.com/noticias...transmilenio-falta-llegar-eldorado

Late as this has come, the current president seems more on the ball than his cousin, who set out the concession process in the first place, where the provision of links to the city clearly came as an after thought.
Really, incompetence you just can't make up, but no wonder when there are so many apologists for mediocrity. Sadly not just you.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 43, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14035 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 41):
Here's the pic I took of the new lighting system:

Certainly looks sharp!

On other news, the idiots at CODAD (the operators of BOG's runways) did the runway resurfacing wrong at BOG's south runway, meaning they will have to re do it, this should mean further delays to the congested operation:

http://www.eltiempo.com/colombia/bog...EB-NEW_NOTA_INTERIOR-12001095.html


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 44, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13721 times:

Synergy bets on their long-haul and cargo operations, they order 6 pax A330s and 3 cargo versions on top of existing orders:

http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012...gy-aerospace-orders-a330-aircraft/

Avianca opens flights to EYP (El Yopal), it's 23rd domestic destination. 2x daily with Fokker 50 to start august 6:

http://www.aviacol.net/noticias-del-...%80%93-yopal-%E2%80%93-bogota.html

TACA to fly 3x weekly non-stop from LIM to both MDE and CLO:

http://economia.terra.com.pe/noticia...dNoticia=201207121534_ADN_81397820

Will this affect the operations via Ecuador?


User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 45, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13682 times:

So far the new A330 additions to the fleet are to operate eventually the reaproved routes to Europe by the Colombian Aerocivil.

http://www.aviacol.net/noticias-del-...res-y-san-juan-de-puerto-rico.html


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13637 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 45):
ACA to fly 3x weekly non-stop from LIM to both MDE and CLO:

I had the chance to talk to a TA crew recently, and they seem to be happy with these new flights, and witht he AV/TA alliance overall. Hopefully those flights will go daily soon.

Here's the official Airbus press release on the Synergy order:

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...-nine-airbus-a330-family-aircraft/

I wonder if the upcoming LATAM merge made Synergy to order some planes that they could have rather soon in order to expand their network to Chile and Europe?? I always heard the 350s were the ones to accomplish that mission, but they must be in a hurry to have additional capacity. And are the 330F additional to the ones ordered by QT some time ago??? If so, are they going to QT or Synergy is planning to have some kind of Avianca do Brasil Cargo company??



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 47, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13612 times:

Quoting AV757 (Reply 46):
So far the new A330 additions to the fleet are to operate eventually the reaproved routes to Europe by the Colombian Aerocivil.

I hope they do give London a go this time. LGW or LHR.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 47):

I wonder if the upcoming LATAM merge made Synergy to order some planes that they could have rather soon in order to expand their network to Chile and Europe??

I think they are shifting their policy regarding long haul flights. Relying too much on the intra-latin america traffic doesn't bring the big yields, and they will be going after new european routes, from BOG of course, but probably from LIM and Brazil too. Some of the mid-haul routes form BOG can also use extra capacity (please return to LAX!)


User currently offlineclo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13609 times:

Starting Aug. 23rd, Taca will start flights nonstop between CLO-LIM as follows:

CLO-LIM : 1807 Tu, Th, Sa
LIM-CLO : 1025 Tu, Th, Sa

This is additional to the current 5x operation they have in the route CLO-GYE-LIM.

CLO has seen lately an increase in Int'l operations, in June AV started again CLO-MDE-JFK, in July Taca started CLO-SAL.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4620 posts, RR: 4
Reply 49, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 13525 times:

Quoting clo1973 (Reply 49):
Starting Aug. 23rd, Taca will start flights nonstop between CLO-LIM as follows:

CLO-LIM : 1807 Tu, Th, Sa
LIM-CLO : 1025 Tu, Th, Sa

This is additional to the current 5x operation they have in the route CLO-GYE-LIM.

TACA will also fly the LIM-MDE segment as non-stop thrice a week from August. The current TA LIM-UIO-MDE 7x weekly service won't be modified.
Aren't LIM-UIO-MDE and LIM-GYE-CLO operated by AeroGal on behalf of TACA at this time ?

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineclo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13392 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 50):
Aren't LIM-UIO-MDE and LIM-GYE-CLO operated by AeroGal on behalf of TACA at this time ?

LIM-UIO-MDE yes, it is operated by Aerogal.
LIM-GYE-CLO no, it is operated by Taca...but my sources said it will switch to Aerogal at some point in this year.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 51, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13325 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 50):
TACA will also fly the LIM-MDE segment as non-stop thrice a week from August. The current TA LIM-UIO-MDE 7x weekly service won't be modified.

very interesting! assuming the flight times of the new nonstop servcie will be leaving LIM in the afternoon bank and leaving MDE back the next day very early in order to catch the morning connecting bank in LIM?

On the other hand, I was in the last 12 months a lot on LIM-UIO-MDE-UIO-LIM flights both on TA and LP and neither was ever fully booked, so I am a little bit surprised.



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4620 posts, RR: 4
Reply 52, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13290 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 52):
assuming the flight times of the new nonstop service will be leaving LIM in the afternoon bank and leaving MDE back the next day very early in order to catch the morning connecting bank in LIM?

It isn't so.
The existing TA CLO-GYE-LIM and the coming non-stop TA CLO-LIM will arrive at LIM practically at the same time: 21:00. Same with TA MDE-UIO-LIM and the new TA MDE-LIM.
All their flights heading to either MDE and CLO will be departing out of LIM around 10:30.

Their detailed schedules have been printed into the current Central American aviation series.


Regards.

[Edited 2012-07-15 19:28:34]


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 53, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13143 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 53):
The existing TA CLO-GYE-LIM and the coming non-stop TA CLO-LIM will arrive at LIM practically at the same time: 21:00. Same with TA MDE-UIO-LIM and the new TA MDE-LIM.
All their flights heading to either MDE and CLO will be departing out of LIM around 10:30.

This is weird, I know they have been trying to boost connecting traffic at LIM but why fly at the same time? My guess is that we might see the MDE-UIO-LIM and CLO-GYE-LIM flights operated on the same days get the axe, let's kkep it real, even though the flights have been doing good, it's not like they are fully booked day after day to warrant this frequency increase at the exact same time.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 54, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12963 times:

Quoting bogota (Reply 43):
My only advice is for you to stay in the UK, that "perfect" place that keeps you so "happy" that you can not avoid your obsession with insulting everything Colombian. In Colombia there are many good and many bad things happening, but at least I can say it is the country that I proudly call home

What a totally pathetic statement. If there are bad things happening, it is right to criticise them, and not -like you- to be an apologist for them. I know many people like to try to keep a lid on things, to avoid a "bad" image, but it does not solve the real issues -and I am afraid that corruption is a huge one. And of course the UK is not perfect, but you will find that issues are discussed in the open with no complexes.

Quoting bogota (Reply 43):
the truth is that OPAIN won the contract against other very capable and powerful opponents

It won, but on a FALSE premise. The concession incompetently set up from the beginning. Of course the demolition of the current terminal should have been included *from the beginning* so that ALL participants had the chance to submit a fitting proposal, as some of us expressed at the time -including the mayor at the time. But central government continued incompetently ahead, and changed the specifications when there was no change for an open competition.
Stop being an apologist for incompetence.

So, with much improvisation and without been the best value for money for the Colombian state and its people, the country will have a totally new terminal that should be vastly more comfortable for passengers and operators in its main air gateway. It is also one that can makes viable some expansion going forward. That is of course the good news. One can only hope that future contracts are done with better vision and more competence.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 54):
This is weird, I know they have been trying to boost connecting traffic at LIM but why fly at the same time? My guess is that we might see the MDE-UIO-LIM and CLO-GYE-LIM flights operated on the same days get the axe

I would not be very sure of this. There are weirder things: The SJO-MDE flight departs SJO at the same time as the daily SJO-PTY-MDE. Both arrive back at SJO at the same time.

On the GYE-CLO and UIO-MDE what I imagine is that they could change schedule on the days that there is the non-stop LIM. But in any case it's not too much of an issue as the purpose is to have dedicated service to each of the markets: LIM-CLO and LIM-MDE, from GYE-CLO and MDE-UIO. The aim is to have daily flights in each of the markets at some point.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 55, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12922 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 54):

On the GYE-CLO and UIO-MDE what I imagine is that they could change schedule on the days that there is the non-stop LIM. But in any case it's not too much of an issue as the purpose is to have dedicated service to each of the markets: LIM-CLO and LIM-MDE, from GYE-CLO and MDE-UIO. The aim is to have daily flights in each of the markets at some point.

Well that's true, but they could optimize the schedule and give the traveler further options with what is available. I did not know about the SJO-PTY-MDE and SJO-MDE flights which must be the most inefficient thing in the world. Are they really carrying that much local traffic on MDE-PTY?

On other news, the new VOR for Manizales La Nubia Airport (MZL) has been contracted. Let's hope this brings normality to the operations, as the city is basically flight locked half of the day! The airport situation in Caldas (the department of which Manizales is the capital) is one of the saddest examples of corruption and inefficiency in the country.

http://www.aviacol.net/noticias-del-...-en-radioayudas-para-la-nubia.html


User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 56, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12920 times:

It's a shame that they are wasting all that money for a VOR at SKMZ La Nubia, that is not the solution to improve arrival minimums due to the geographical and topographical location of the airport taking into account aircraft performance is a limiting factor, there is no chance of operating larger aircraft since the runway slope and operational weight resistance of the pavement plus the lack of fire fighting equipment capacity on the premises, this is just another regionalist scam to keep La Nubia operational longer due to the delays for the politically imposed Palestina Airport project which is also an airport with a lot of limitations and operational issues if it ever operates.

AV757


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 57, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12902 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 55):
Are they really carrying that much local traffic on MDE-PTY?

I guess so, since they only just recently increased to daily from 3 weekly, whilst leaving the non-stop SJO-MDE at 4 weekly. The thing is that due to the banks at SJO, LR would have a plane at PTY over 4 hours, so they may just as well send it somewhere. MDE made sense as there is important local traffic.
Just like in the cases of LIM-CLO and LIM-MDE, the schedule has to be kept so that it is suitable for the connecting banks on the days that there is no non-stop. Perhaps once the non-stops are daily, the intermediate segment can be served at a different time. In the case of SJO-MDE, I suppose that it could change to SJO to somewhere else in Colombia.

[Edited 2012-07-18 09:33:57]

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 58, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12844 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 52):
It isn't so.
The existing TA CLO-GYE-LIM and the coming non-stop TA CLO-LIM will arrive at LIM practically at the same time: 21:00. Same with TA MDE-UIO-LIM and the new TA MDE-LIM.
All their flights heading to either MDE and CLO will be departing out of LIM around 10:30.

Their detailed schedules have been printed into the current Central American aviation series.

really dont get it, specially that TA is 2 wafes at the LIM hub, a morning connection would be more than welcome + also a night departure ex LIMA - so you can really have still the full day in Lima and heading to CLO and MDE at night.

Cheers
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 59, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12790 times:

It looks like Avianca will reduce its growth rate this year. When will AV start to transfer the A332s over to TACA Perú?
Avianca Slows Growth Pace as Global Outlook Dims


User currently offlinebogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12795 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 54):
What a totally pathetic statement.
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 54):
Stop being an apologist for incompetence.

As usual your lack of courtesy and education stands out as a sore thumb. Nice, very nice and decent person you seem to be. Just because I do not agree with your very biased and personal opinions, it does not mean you can simply pull out your gun and shoot. I understand where you come from, education can no be improvised.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4620 posts, RR: 4
Reply 61, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12736 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 55):
Are they really carrying that much local traffic on MDE-PTY?

I don't manage the official figures about how is doing the tag-on called TA/LR PTY-MDE and vice versa.
It isn't hard to imagine the performance of that flight since Copa Airlines is flying the PTY-MDE sector as 35x weekly which means five daily flights.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 62, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12667 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 59):
It looks like Avianca will reduce its growth rate this year. When will AV start to transfer the A332s over to TACA Perú?

They won't grow 18% but 14%, anticipating a slump in global economical growth. They are still going to grow in double digits, 14% growth is huge for one year. What should be news about that article is how they are expecting a good second quarter, how their shares have gained 23% this year being the second best performing in the IGBC, and how they could be making acquisitions in the next two or three years in the region.

They're going strong.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 57):
Just like in the cases of LIM-CLO and LIM-MDE, the schedule has to be kept so that it is suitable for the connecting banks on the days that there is no non-stop. Perhaps once the non-stops are daily, the intermediate segment can be served at a different time.

Aren't there two connecting banks at LIM?


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 63, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12573 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 62):
They won't grow 18% but 14%, anticipating a slump in global economical growth. They are still going to grow in double digits, 14% growth is huge for one year. What should be news about that article is how they are expecting a good second quarter, how their shares have gained 23% this year being the second best performing in the IGBC, and how they could be making acquisitions in the next two or three years in the region.

They're going strong.

Yes, smart move by AV and nothing uncommon looking at the worldwide economic outlook.

A388


User currently offlinefalkerker From Seychelles, joined Apr 2012, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12588 times:

I know it is bit out of topic and perhaps has been discussed / not disclosed, does anyone know what AV plans to do with the 788? Yes, I know it is still a long run until the 2015 EIS but have there been any official news on this or any rumors? Will they replace A332? Will they launch new routes? What possible routes could AV launch?

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 65, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 12126 times:

Quoting falkerker (Reply 64):
I know it is still a long run until the 2015 EIS

It will be 2014.

Quoting falkerker (Reply 64):
Will they replace A332?

Probably. The leases on the A332s were thought to expire by the arrival of the 787s. More routes to Europe are almost a given, as well as further capacity increases in mid-haul flying.

On other news, LAN Colombia has accelerated the retirement of the Dash 8-Q400 fleet, they will all be gone this year. It makes sense since these aircraft were kind of the fleet's oddballs. This means further cuts in capacity on the regional routes though. Will they be making a transition to only trunk routes as was predicted?

Avianca will stay at the Puente Aéreo until 2014, after that, the usage of the terminal is unknown, but the director of OPAÍN has stated to other news outlets that it would be a great LCC/regional airline terminal, and I agree:

http://www.portafolio.co/negocios/av...nca-dejaria-operar-el-puente-aereo


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 66, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 12129 times:
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 65):
Probably. The leases on the A332s were thought to expire by the arrival of the 787s. More routes to Europe are almost a given, as well as further capacity increases in mid-haul flying.

With the ever expanding airline and the need for long haul planes from Multiple hubs is it really a good idea to return 8 year old A330-200 ? AV could be flying to Madrid from as many Latin cities as LAN does currently. Lima to MAD and Guatemala to MAD could be flown as wells a the current BOG/CLO to MAD. London, CDG, FRA and others are almost a certainty in some form.


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 67, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12100 times:

Hey guys,

My first photo taken in BOG is in the database. See it in below link:



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Photo © Roger Cannegieter - Curacao Aviation Photography




I have never seen such an over crowded airport such as BOG. I can definately see why the new terminal is urgently necessary. Even so, I am glad to have visited the current terminal being used in BOG.

Saludos,

A388


User currently offlinefalkerker From Seychelles, joined Apr 2012, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12029 times:

A bit off topic (it's becoming a trend, lol). Just saw this on a local newspaper saying Congress will pass a bill regulating pilots' maximum monthly flight time to 180 hours. I am no pilot myself but AFAIK it is international aeronautic regulation that dictates maximum flight times of commercial pilots. Could someone who knows a bit more shed some light on this for me please?

http://www.elespectador.com/noticias...rian-volar-maximo-160-horas-al-mes

Edited for typos

[Edited 2012-07-26 10:01:56]

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 69, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12029 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 62):
Aren't there two connecting banks at LIM?

yes they have, hence I can not understand why they did not scheduled the new service leaving colombia in the morning and leaving LIM at night.



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 70, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11986 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 69):
yes they have, hence I can not understand why they did not scheduled the new service leaving colombia in the morning and leaving LIM at night.

My thoughts exactly. Maybe due to the domestic rotations in LIM?

Quoting A388 (Reply 67):
My first photo taken in BOG is in the database. See it in below link:

Congrats!

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 66):
With the ever expanding airline and the need for long haul planes from Multiple hubs is it really a good idea to return 8 year old A330-200 ?

AV just recently ordered 6 extra A330-200s. The leases on the current birds will probably be renewed for a few years if market conditions allow for it. New flights from BOG to other european destinations and from LIM and maybe central america to MAD are a very possible feasibility. Specially from LIM.

BTW I'm returning to Bogotá tomorrow form my stance in Madrid. I will be posting a report on AV 11 soon!


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 71, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11957 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 65):
On other news, LAN Colombia has accelerated the retirement of the Dash 8-Q400 fleet, they will all be gone this year. It makes sense since these aircraft were kind of the fleet's oddballs. This means further cuts in capacity on the regional routes though. Will they be making a transition to only trunk routes as was predicted?

They are already phased out.
If I am not mistaken one already left the country.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 72, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11959 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 71):
They are already phased out.
If I am not mistaken one already left the country.

That explains why I didn't see any LAN Q400's when I was in BOG. I was so very much hoping to see them but I guess I never will.

A388


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 73, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11806 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 71):
They are already phased out. If I am not mistaken one already left the country.

Oh. Ok. Do you know how the Q400 exclusive routes are being operated now? I have also heard that of 11 Q200s there are only 8 that are active.


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 74, posted (2 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 11703 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 73):
Oh. Ok. Do you know how the Q400 exclusive routes are being operated now? I have also heard that of 11 Q200s there are only 8 that are active.

Not specifically, but I guess with a mix of what they have left.
I do not know exactly how many active Q200s they have, but I understand they intend on keeping them flying for a while and renewed some leasing agreements on them not too long ago.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 75, posted (2 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 11597 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 70):
My thoughts exactly. Maybe due to the domestic rotations in LIM?

just booked CCS-LIM-MDE-PTY-TGU-SAP-PTY-BOG-CCS TA/CM combo... including the new flight LIM-MDE as per the rotation it looks like that they use the same EMB190 arriving from CCS for the MDE route...



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 76, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11450 times:

LAN will face a dillemma when they need to replace those Q200's. I assume the capacity of those Q200's is great for a lot of small airports they fly to so when time comes to replace them they will have to go bigger with the ART42-600.

I see AV also going for the ATR, maybe a mix of ATR42-600's and ATR72-600's.

A388


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4620 posts, RR: 4
Reply 77, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11478 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 66):
Lima to MAD and Guatemala to MAD

I have my doubts about any Guatemala City - Madrid as non-stop service for any long-haul equipment.
IB currently flies from GUA to MAD through San Salvador as the triangular IB MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD.
They also operated in the past IB MAD-GUA-PTY-MAD, taking into account the altitude and the length of the sole runway at GUA.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 78, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11228 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 66):
Guatemala to MAD could be flown as wells

Guatemala is not even a TA hub, not to mention it's very well known technical limitations.

On positive news, Easyfly will start international flights in October with the introduction of BAQ-AUA flights. This route was previously operated by Aires with relative success so I wish them the best of luck. Now BOG, MDE and BAQ will have a link to the ABC islands.

http://www.aviacol.net/noticias-del-...a-a-partir-de-octubre-de-2012.html

This is nice news for the city of Barranquilla which is getting very limited international service.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 79, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11219 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 78):
On positive news, Easyfly will start international flights in October with the introduction of BAQ-AUA flights. This route was previously operated by Aires with relative success so I wish them the best of luck. Now BOG, MDE and BAQ will have a link to the ABC islands.

http://www.aviacol.net/noticias-del-...a-a-partir-de-octubre-de-2012.html

This is nice news for the city of Barranquilla which is getting very limited international service.

would love to see Easyfly also in Venezuela, their is a very big community in Venezuela with "Costeños Colombianos".

Cheers
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 80, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11163 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 79):
would love to see Easyfly also in Venezuela, their is a very big community in Venezuela with "Costeños Colombianos".

There is indeed, a BAQ-CCS flight could do well. A link from MAR to BOG would be a success also.

AviancaTaca have transported almost 11 million passengers for the first semester of 2012, a 13.8% increase from the same period last year, most of the growth came from the domestic operations (18.6%), but there was also a 3,9% increase in international passengers:

http://www.elespectador.com/economia...rto-19-millones-de-pasajeros-junio


User currently offlinefalkerker From Seychelles, joined Apr 2012, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11071 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 80):
AviancaTaca have transported almost 11 million passengers for the first semester of 2012, a 13.8% increase from the same period last year, most of the growth came from the domestic operations (18.6%), but there was also a 3,9% increase in international passengers

Great news!! almost 80%LF, 13% increase in ASK, NICE!
It's very nice to see AV doing so well amidst the world crisis. Let's hope we don't "catch the cold" in colombia although seeing the rise in real estate prices and credit debt one starts to worry, but that's a different topic altogether.


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 82, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10975 times:

Apparently JJ will cancel it's GRU-BOG services.

EFF 10SEP12

JJ8017 - BOG 19:10 03:15 GRU 320 - DAILY
JJ8016 - GRU 12:40 16:40 BOG 320 - DAILY

CANCELLED

Flights from 10SEPT onwards are already zero'd out in the system.

Apparently TAM is leaving the GRU-BOG services on Aires' hands. By them they'll already be flying to GRU daily.



Please insert a "smart" joke here.
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 83, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10951 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 82):
JJ8017 - BOG 19:10 03:15 GRU 320 - DAILY
JJ8016 - GRU 12:40 16:40 BOG 320 - DAILY

no surprise with this horrible schedule!



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 84, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10942 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 82):
Apparently JJ will cancel it's GRU-BOG services.

As I said on the brazilian thread, this is very surprising! Guess AviancaTaca's better on-board offering has the lead here, plust the possiblity of further connections in BOG, something that LAN cannot offer and JJ via GRU can't either.

Quoting falkerker (Reply 81):
It's very nice to see AV doing so well amidst the world crisis. Let's hope we don't "catch the cold" in colombia although seeing the rise in real estate prices and credit debt one starts to worry, but that's a different topic altogether.

They have adjusted their growth anticipating a slowing of the colombian economy, which is going to be happening maybe next year. I think that otherwise they're still on track for strong numbers for the years to come.


User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10905 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 84):

As I said on the brazilian thread, this is very surprising! Guess AviancaTaca's better on-board offering has the lead here, plust the possiblity of further connections in BOG, something that LAN cannot offer and JJ via GRU can't either.

Actually it has to do with allowing LAN Colombia to take over the route, LAN will operate A320 daily by September and B767 by early next year. TAM will serve connecting pax from GRU and LAN from BOG.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 86, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10874 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 85):
Actually it has to do with allowing LAN Colombia to take over the route, LAN will operate A320 daily by September and B767 by early next year.

Yes, it is still a reduction in capacity from the would have been two daily flight options of airbus A320s.


User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 87, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10781 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 86):
Yes, it is still a reduction in capacity from the would have been two daily flight options of airbus A320s.

Not exactly, it is a reorganization like many others that have happened since LAN took over Aires. In the end they know exactly how they are moving their pieces. They know the 767 will arrive soon, they want to consolidate the route under one name, they want to give priority to LAN on the route.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 88, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10532 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 87):
Not exactly, it is a reorganization like many others that have happened since LAN took over Aires.

It's a reorganization allright, but it has nothing to do with the takeover of AIRES by LAN, more with the whole LATAM scheme. And it is still a reduction in capacity. They are going from what could have been two daily A320s (right now the flights are 13x weekly), to one daily A320. Even with the 763 on the route, there will be less seats to offer than with two A320s, not to mention less frequency.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 87):
. They know the 767 will arrive soon, they want to consolidate the route under one name, they want to give priority to LAN on the route.

Yes, and the 767 will bring a great product, honestly LAN's A320 for a 6 hour flight sounds very unappealing. They are consolidating alright, but they are going to reduce capacity, and won't offer business class on the route for a while until the 767 comes online.

On other news, the colombian domestic market picks up pace again this year, growing 10.3% for the january-june period, and 14% in june alone, with new entrant Viva already grasping 4% of the market, Avianca upping their share to 57%, LAN loosing around 3% to have 19%. Copa keeps shrinking and is now down to 8%, Satena's mess doesn't seem to be over and reduces it's share to 4%, ADA keeps steady at 2%:

http://www.aviacol.net/noticias-del-...rante-primer-semestre-de-2012.html

This is a clear effect of the low fares war that has started again. The most aggressive pricing has come from Viva and Avianca, with the latter gorwing it's share of the market, along with LAN, but in their case there was a shrinkage mainly due to severe cuts in the regional network, but there have been some frequency gains on the trunk routes. Copa continues it's international focus and keeps limited domestic frequencies only on main markets and LET. Satena's woes continue and the road to privatization seems rocky with the bureaucratic joke of a management they have. ADA keeps strong with their niche markets from EOH, but Viva is a very real threat to the airline and the airport's viability.


User currently offlinecolinatl From Colombia, joined Jul 2005, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10068 times:

Can anyone give us an update on the progress of the new terminal at Eldorado airport in Bogota? When will it go into service? Any pics?

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 90, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9987 times:

Quoting colinatl (Reply 89):
Can anyone give us an update on the progress of the new terminal at Eldorado airport in Bogota?

The terminal is coming along great. It will go into service gradually starting the middle of next month and should be fully operational by the end of the year. There are many pics online but it's basically all finished, they just need to remove the protective plastic from the windows and ceilings. The commercial outlets are also coming along. Gate tests have been done with an AV A330 and A320 already, there are a few pics of those too on other forums.


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 91, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9908 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 90):
Quoting colinatl (Reply 89):
Can anyone give us an update on the progress of the new terminal at Eldorado airport in Bogota?

The terminal is coming along great. It will go into service gradually starting the middle of next month and should be fully operational by the end of the year. There are many pics online but it's basically all finished, they just need to remove the protective plastic from the windows and ceilings. The commercial outlets are also coming along. Gate tests have been done with an AV A330 and A320 already, there are a few pics of those too on other forums.

Having travelled to/from BOG several times now (my children were born in Bogota prematurely), I have only experienced the current terminal which is very crowded. I have seen the new terminal building which looks fantastic but I think I will not be experiencing the new terminal this time. I will travel back to BOG this coming friday and my return date is not known yet but it will most likely be end of August.

One thing I was asking myself is how the entire new terminal building will be completed. Looking at what still needs to be built and the location of the current terminal building, I can only think of the domestic terminal needing to be demolished first so the new terminal building can be extended after which the current international terminal building must be demolished so the last section of the new terminal building can be built. I also wonder how road traffic will be co-ordinated on the landside as traffic is very hectic there, well, throughout Bogota the traffic is very hectic!!!

I have some aircraft photos in the queue which hopefully will all be accepted to the database.

I was inside the international terminal building from about 10:00 to 15:00 when my flight departed and surprisingly I didn't see any AV A319 (August 5th). Do they only operate out of the puente aera domestic terminal?

A388

[Edited 2012-08-13 05:26:40]

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 92, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9882 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 91):
One thing I was asking myself is how the entire new terminal building will be completed. Looking at what still needs to be built and the location of the current terminal building, I can only think of the domestic terminal needing to be demolished first so the new terminal building can be extended after which the current international terminal building must be demolished so the last section of the new terminal building can be built.

What's remaining of the check-in area is the construction that you can see in front of the current terminal. For the concourses, yes, the terminal will be demolished, but one concourse at a time. OPAÍN have it all thought through, but it will be tight for around a year and a half.

As for the traffic, there is a new viaduct that will enter service one the new international facility opens to the public, this will return traffic at El Dorado to normal. Also, the extension of Transmilenio to the airport will be ready by the time the whole complex opens to the public in 2014.


Quoting A388 (Reply 91):
I was inside the international terminal building from about 10:00 to 15:00 when my flight departed and surprisingly I didn't see any AV A319 (August 5th). Do they only operate out of the puente aera domestic terminal?

Avianca's A319s rotate between CCS, PTY, MEX, IAD, JFK, MCO, SDQ, SAL, GIG and PUJ, plus domestic destinations and occasionally to CUR and AUA. The JFK flight departs at around the time you were there as well as the GIG flight which should have arrived, these flights are 6x and 5x weekly so there is a chance that none of them were operating that day. Also, if the MEX mid-day departure was operated by A319 you should have catched it. As well as SAL.

Actually, are you sure you mean A319 or A318?


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 93, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9885 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 92):
Actually, are you sure you mean A319 or A318?

Yes, I mean the A319. The only A319's I have seen, were the ones I traveled in to CUR. All narrowbody Airbuses I have seen and photographed were A320's.

When will the new terminal building be used, is it before the end of this month? The official opening will be all the way in 2014?

A388


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 94, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9748 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 93):
Yes, I mean the A319. The only A319's I have seen, were the ones I traveled in to CUR. All narrowbody Airbuses I have seen and photographed were A320's.

Well that's weird. Maybe they were in remote positions when you were there. But of course, if you weren't past security, there's the possibility they were in the south gates and you couldn't have possibly seen them.

Quoting A388 (Reply 93):
When will the new terminal building be used, is it before the end of this month?
Quoting A388 (Reply 93):
The official opening will be all the way in 2014?

Explained on reply 90. The opening of the international terminal will be this year, while the rest will be in mid-2014.

Also, as was mentioned in another thread, TACA has filed to the DOT their intentions to change the Aerogal and TACA brands to Avianca. Although it will be a sad loss for many central americans (not all), luckily for colombians the iconic Avianca name will be kept for the years to come.


User currently offlinebogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 95, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9756 times:

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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 94):
TACA has filed to the DOT their intentions to change the Aerogal and TACA brands to Avianca. Although it will be a sad loss for many central americans (not all), luckily for colombians the iconic Avianca name will be kept for the years to come.

I thought this was coming very soon, Avianca´s commercials on many cable channels (which are seen all over Latin America) are announcing the four hubs (SJO, SAL, LIM and BOG) as Avianca hubs.


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 96, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9731 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 94):
Well that's weird. Maybe they were in remote positions when you were there. But of course, if you weren't past security, there's the possibility they were in the south gates and you couldn't have possibly seen them.

I was passed security but probably those A319's were not using the international terminal during that time or like you said I have just missed them.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 94):
Explained on reply 90. The opening of the international terminal will be this year

I know about the reply you say but is there a date when the new terminal will be opened this year?

A388


User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 97, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9676 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 82):
Apparently TAM is leaving the GRU-BOG services on Aires' hands. By them they'll already be flying to GRU daily.

LAN and TAM are all over the place in their decision making. They have now decided that TAM will stay 5 x week, shelved plans for LAN to operate daily in A320 from 10th September, and are reverting their schedules from that date to 2 weekly in 737-700, as can be seen in Airlineroute.net.

The whole changes seemed odd from the beginning: TAM has a business class on their A320, whilst all that LAN has is that Eco+. Also, the aircraft range performance is better on 737-700 than on the A320, and so one would have thought that LAN can have the route altogether when they get some 767, and yet the changes strike of improvisation. They certainly don't look like they do not know what they are doing.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 98, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9573 times:

Quoting bogota (Reply 95):

I thought this was coming very soon, Avianca´s commercials on many cable channels (which are seen all over Latin America) are announcing the four hubs (SJO, SAL, LIM and BOG) as Avianca hubs.

Indeed, that had been happening since july.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 97):
LAN and TAM are all over the place in their decision making. They have now decided that TAM will stay 5 x week, shelved plans for LAN to operate daily in A320 from 10th September, and are reverting their schedules from that date to 2 weekly in 737-700, as can be seen in Airlineroute.net.

Let's see how this all pans out, it seems they're not quite sure what to do with the BOG-GRU route. It will be a decrease in supply though, if they fly it as you're saying.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 99, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9395 times:

AviancaTaca have published their 1st half earnings, a total of $40.1 million USD, growing a shy 4.6% yoy. Q2 earnings improved over 330%, operating income was up by 19.3%:

http://www.elespectador.com/economia...dades-us-401-millones-1er-semestre

I'm sure the large investments being made and the hefty competition in the colombian market are a part of this lukewarm profit report. Avianca have been undercutting VivaClombia's fares on routes from MDE for some time now, they must be incurring in some losses.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9269 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 99):
Avianca have been undercutting VivaClombia's fares on routes from MDE for some time now

I just a BOG-MDE-BOG in AV for COP 203.000 rt. Pretty cheap, and definetively competition is good for us customers.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 99):
they must be incurring in some losses.

I will tend to say EERYONE with those prices are loosing money. Point is, who will surrender first??



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2707 posts, RR: 2
Reply 101, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9252 times:

What are the latest news on VVC: "Villavicencio/Bogotá" Vanguardia airport?
Has Viva Colombia or any other had plans to turned it into BOG answer to Los Angeles ONT, Sâo Paulo VCP, Frankfurt HHN or London LTN?



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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 102, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9201 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 97):
LAN and TAM are all over the place in their decision making. They have now decided that TAM will stay 5 x week, shelved plans for LAN to operate daily in A320 from 10th September, and are reverting their schedules from that date to 2 weekly in 737-700, as can be seen in Airlineroute.net.

Today TAM confirmed that Aires will take over the GRU-BOG services from Sept 10. TAM's own flights are no longer bookable in the system (again).

LATAM stated that that this change was made to "maximize the use of company's resources".

So the schedule will be:

EFF 10SEPT12

LA3505 BOG0535 – 1325GRU 320 D
LA3506 GRU1430 – 1840BOG 320 D

JJ8017 BOG1910 - 0315GRU 320 D - CANCELLED
JJ8016 GRU1240 - 1640BOG 320 D - CANCELLED



Please insert a "smart" joke here.
User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 103, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9181 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 102):
oday TAM confirmed that Aires will take over the GRU-BOG services from Sept 10. TAM's own flights are no longer bookable in the system (again).

LATAM stated that that this change was made to "maximize the use of company's resources".

Thanks. Good that the situation is settled.
It still puzzles me that LATAM will go from TAM's A320 with a proper business class, to LAN's which are barely Economy plus. Perhaps business class s not important to them on this route.

Leaving at the ungodly time of 0530 am from BOG, will at least mean that restrictions departing BOG are offset to some extent with the low temperatures at that time.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 104, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9160 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 103):
It still puzzles me that LATAM will go from TAM's A320 with a proper business class, to LAN's which are barely Economy plus. Perhaps business class s not important to them on this route.

Perhaps TAM plans on deploying the aircraft on a more high yielding route. LATAM does have corporate contracts from businesses that are located throughout the continent that not only fly regionally; but also on long-haul routes.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 103):
Leaving at the ungodly time of 0530 am from BOG, will at least mean that restrictions departing BOG are offset to some extent with the low temperatures at that time.

Of course for you, departing GRU at 02:45 is not an "ungodly time"...


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 105, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9149 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 103):
Leaving at the ungodly time of 0530 am from BOG, will at least mean that restrictions departing BOG are offset to some extent with the low temperatures at that time.

They are going to operate with the 737 at first.

It's still sad that this will actually mean a reduction in frequency, and in capacity until they have a 767 cover the route in the future.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 101):
What are the latest news on VVC: "Villavicencio/Bogotá" Vanguardia airport?
Has Viva Colombia or any other had plans to turned it into BOG answer to Los Angeles ONT, Sâo Paulo VCP, Frankfurt HHN or London LTN?

Well, it's not that simple.

First of all, Villavicencio is still two and a half hours away from Bogotá, that is if you don't find yourself stuck in one of the very common traffic jams while leaving the capital. That is long drive to take your flight.

For example, driving from Bogotá to Medellín is seven hours. If you were to use VVC to go to Medellín, it's two and a half or three hours driving, getting there three hours prior to the flight (per Viva standards), then the flight which takes about 50 minutes gate to gate, then the 45 minute drive to the city from MDE. That's almost the same time as just taking your car and driving all the way to Medellín, which renders the flight pretty useless. Same story for Cali, Bucaramanga, the coffee region (Manizales-Pereira-Armenia), Ibagué, Barrancabermeja, so basically all of the andean cities except for Cúcuta, Popayán and Pasto, to which the drive is around 10, 11 and 14 hours respectively.

Going to the coast is a 14 hour drive, when the new highway is completed it will be 10 to Santa Marta. Maybe there the flights from VVC would be competitive, but here's where there's another obstacle. The rest of the airlines have shown that they are able to offer the same and even lower fares than Viva's. So whatever extra savings of flying to VVC will only result in a small fare difference than flying via BOG. People won't go through all the hassle of driving to VVC just to save a few pesos, there would need to be a substantial difference on the fare, just like it happens with the european LCC's.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 100):
I just a BOG-MDE-BOG in AV for COP 203.000 rt. Pretty cheap, and definetively competition is good for us customers.

Just a few days ago I bought a BOG-CTG-BOG ticket for COP$180.000 r/t on AV!

Quoting A388 (Reply 96):
I know about the reply you say but is there a date when the new terminal will be opened this year?

It will be in stages, but it should be fully operational by december. You probably won't be using it in september.


User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 106, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9144 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 104):
Perhaps TAM plans on deploying the aircraft on a more high yielding route. LATAM does have corporate contracts from businesses that are located throughout the continent that not only fly regionally; but also on long-haul routes.

I think that there is no doubt that TAM will indeed use the A320 on a more profitable route. A sign that it's finding it very hard to compete on GRU-BOG, and certainly business customers.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 104):
Of course for you, departing GRU at 02:45 is not an "ungodly time"...

Wow, you do know me well. I certainly would find leaving for the airport at midnight , and being on the plane at 2.30 ready to rest then more reasonable than leaving for the airport at 3 am, and pottering around the airport until it's time to board the plane at 5 am..

But look, I don't criticise LAN for that schedule, as I realise it's difficult to find slots at GRU. On the contrary, I see that the advantage of the time is the partial offsetting of weight restrictions.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 107, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9126 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 106):
I think that there is no doubt that TAM will indeed use the A320 on a more profitable route. A sign that it's finding it very hard to compete on GRU-BOG, and certainly business customers.

There is significantly more business traffic on other regional routes such as GRU-AEP, GRU-EZE, GRU-LIM, GRU-MVD, GRU-SCL, etc. These are the core regional routes from GRU that operate at high frequencies. For example, AV-TA operates the GRU-LIM route 10x weekly; whereas LATAM operates the GRU-LIM route 3x daily. TAM will soon deploy the A332 on the route which features a 3-class cabin.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 106):
Wow, you do know me well. I certainly would find leaving for the airport at midnight , and being on the plane at 2.30 ready to rest then more reasonable than leaving for the airport at 3 am, and pottering around the airport until it's time to board the plane at 5 am..

That's your personal preference; however I'm sure that AV-TA has a hard time finding slots at GRU.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 106):
But look, I don't criticise LAN for that schedule, as I realise it's difficult to find slots at GRU. On the contrary, I see that the advantage of the time is the partial offsetting of weight restrictions.

TAM has a plethora of slots at GRU and most likely could have changed its departure time from GRU. However, TAM most likely could not find suitable slots at BOG to do so.


User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 108, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9115 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 107):
I'm sure that AV-TA has a hard time finding slots at GRU

I am sure they do, as does everyone else. In fact, that's what I stated in the first place..Why keep repeating it?

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 107):
There is significantly more business traffic on other regional routes

I don't doubt it, but AV manages to get 2 daily flights on the route in question, of which at least 10 weekly are on A330 with 30 Business Class seats, and yet LATAM are not going to offer any BC at all.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 109, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9111 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 108):
I am sure they do, as does everyone else. In fact, that's what I stated in the first place..Why keep repeating it?

It goes both ways. AV-TA dominates BOG and can alter schedules and add new flights that are convenient to their operations at BOG; whereas neither LAN or TAM can alter schedules and add new flights at BOG so easily. However at GRU, TAM can alter its schedules to enhance LATAM's current and future operations at GRU; whereas AV-TA will have an extremely hard time trying to build up its operations at GRU.



Quoting summa767 (Reply 108):
I don't doubt it, but AV manages to get 2 daily flights on the route in question, of which at least 10 weekly are on A330 with 30 Business Class seats, and yet LATAM are not going to offer any BC at all.

AV's BOG-GRU route is the only route that operates at such a high frequency from its hub at BOG into Brazil; and with the upcoming time change, AV's first flight to BOG will depart at 3:45AM. LAN is incorporating new widebody a/c into its fleet this year with a net gain of 10 widebody a/c. Next year, LAN will incorporate more widebody a/c into its fleet and some of them will be deployed to LAN Colombia. Interesting to note that LAN has already managed to decrease AV-TA's market-share on certain routes that cater to business traffic from the LIM hub; since LAN uses widebody a/c and offers more frequencies on these important routes...


User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 110, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9094 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 109):
AV-TA will have an extremely hard time trying to build up its operations at GRU.

That must give you a lot of comfort. Well done.

I am pleased to hear about more widebody aircraft for LAN. I gather than AV-TA will also start operating an A330 this year. All good news. The cherry on the cake will be when low cost carriers expand across the whole region as they have done elsewhere in the world, in order to have more choice and much needed competition.

The effect of Viva in Colombia has been a huge increase in capacity, that has especially benefited secondary cities that used to rely on prop aircraft for fairly long routes. Take MDE-CTG, that used to be 3 x daily with a F50, now there's a mix of A318, A319s and A320 up to 9 times a day by Avianca and Viva. We just need that effect to spread beyond domestic operations and into international routes.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 111, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9084 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 107):
There is significantly more business traffic on other regional routes such as GRU-AEP, GRU-EZE, GRU-LIM, GRU-MVD, GRU-SCL, etc.

For LATAM you say. The vast majority of passengers on the BOG-GRU route are business people. In fact, Avianca has at least 348 business seats each week on the route each sense, sometimes more if the A330 goes 4x weekly. LATAM just wasn't able to tap into it. I'm sure there are more business passengers on the Sao Paulo-Buenos Aires/Santiago corridors, probably the same to LIM and less to MVD, these southern cone markets are of course LATAM's turf.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 110):
Take MDE-CTG, that used to be 3 x daily with a F50, now there's a mix of A318, A319s and A320 up to 9 times a day by Avianca and Viva.

Up to 9x daily? Wow!

Last I recorded was AV 4x daily A318/A319/A320, Viva 2x daily A320. What's the current schedule?

Quoting summa767 (Reply 110):
The effect of Viva in Colombia has been a huge increase in capacity, that has especially benefited secondary cities that used to rely on prop aircraft for fairly long routes.

Also, routes such as CLO-CTG/BAQ have been revived. BOG has also seen a surge in capacity and a massive lowering of fares, which has benefited the regions too of course.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 112, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9082 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 110):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 109):
AV-TA will have an extremely hard time trying to build up its operations at GRU.

That must give you a lot of comfort. Well done.

Applying for slots at GRU is a transparent process and no carrier is given preference. TAM and GOL have both built up their presence at GRU for years and with the LATAM and GOL-Webjet mergers, both groups have increased their respective slot portfolios at GRU. Also, Brazil has Open Skies with other South American countries and Open Skies with the EU will occur next year. Chile has Open Skies with the EU and LAN has Fifth Freedom Rights between Chile and the EU via points in Brazil. It will allow LAN to open new long-haul routes to Europe via Brazil and LAN and TAM will fly across the Atlantic together to new and existing destinations.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 110):
I am pleased to hear about more widebody aircraft for LAN. I gather than AV-TA will also start operating an A330 this year. All good news. The cherry on the cake will be when low cost carriers expand across the whole region as they have done elsewhere in the world, in order to have more choice and much needed competition.

This will only happen when certain countries invest in expanding existing airports and opening new airports. Chile is building new airports and expanding other airports. LAN will soon launch flights to the city of Castro on Chiloé Island, thanks to the new airport. LAN's domestic and regional model has lead to significant growth in domestic and regional traffic so much so that LAN will begin to incorporate A321s starting next year to increase frequencies and capacity on certain domestic and regional routes as the last batch of A318s leave for AV Brasil.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2707 posts, RR: 2
Reply 113, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9056 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 105):
So whatever extra savings of flying to VVC will only result in a small fare difference than flying via BOG. People won't go through all the hassle of driving to VVC just to save a few pesos, there would need to be a substantial difference on the fare, just like it happens with the European LCC's.

I acknowledge VVC isn't good for domestic Colombian flights, even ADZ very iffy. However, for flights to the States, that would be another story.
Rightnow, not only the transfer time between Bogotá itself and VVC works against it but VVC's runway, regardless of its attractive altitude, limits the type of air-crafts suitable to operate profitably out of VVC.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 114, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9005 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 111):
For LATAM you say. The vast majority of passengers on the BOG-GRU route are business people. In fact, Avianca has at least 348 business seats each week on the route each sense, sometimes more if the A330 goes 4x weekly. LATAM just wasn't able to tap into it. I'm sure there are more business passengers on the Sao Paulo-Buenos Aires/Santiago corridors, probably the same to LIM and less to MVD, these southern cone markets are of course LATAM's turf.

AV-TA also competes directly with LAN on the SCL-BOG and LIM-SCL routes. Of course LAN has the Chilean corporate contracts on the SCL-BOG route which operates 7x weekly with the B763. Similarly, AV-TA simply couldn't compete with LAN for the corporate contracts and other premium customers that travel frequently between SCL and LIM. AV-TA used to operate the LIM-SCL route up to 18x weekly at one point, but quickly realized that premium customers, O&D traffic and the majority of connecting pax transiting via the LIM hub preferred to fly on LAN for obvious reasons. Now AV-TA operates the LIM-SCL route 10x weekly and often deploys the E90 on the route on certain days. Whereas LAN operates the SCL-LIM route 8x daily and will soon increase frequency on the route to 9x daily.


User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 115, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 111):
Up to 9x daily? Wow!

Last I recorded was AV 4x daily A318/A319/A320, Viva 2x daily A320. What's the current schedule?

This is just AV: Schedule for yesterday, but 7 dailies everyday.

9760 MDE - CTG 08:50 17 ago 10:00 17 ago
9772 MDE - CTG 11:23 17 ago 12:33 17 ago
9386 MDE - CTG 12:35 17 ago 1 13:45 17 ago
9510 MDE - CTG 15:40 17 ago 16:50 17 ago
9762 MDE - CTG 17:35 17 ago 18:45 17 ago
9770 MDE - CTG 19:00 17 ago 20:10 17 ago
9392 MDE - CTG 20:55 17 ago 22:05 17 ago

And Viva have up to 2 A320 flights a day (though just saw that next Monday they have 4 flights programmed on the route. A one off, I guess)

This is certainly more than we bargained for, and would not be sure that it will stay at such high frequency, but it is positive to have competitive capacity. Shame that LAN does not even get a look in.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 111):
Also, routes such as CLO-CTG/BAQ have been revived. BOG has also seen a surge in capacity and a massive lowering of fares, which has benefited the regions too of course.

Indeed and MDE-CUC, MDE-BGA. VVC, that has been mentioned earlier, is an airport that should see A320 service later on. I agree that it would be no replacement for BOG, but it certainly has potential for some domestic routes.
One of the reasons where growth in the regions has been constrained is lack of appropriate connectivity. It's good to see this starting to be corrected now.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 112):
This will only happen when certain countries invest in expanding existing airports and opening new airports. Chile is building new airports and expanding other airports.

Not just Chile, other countries are improving their airport infrastructure. And in any case, more of the existing airports can receive plenty more capacity. So be not afeard that more competition will extend.
Apart from new carriers like Viva are set up -Peru could be the next one- and begin to fly internationally, we are due to have in the next few months the well established Spirit incursioning in inter-Andean routes.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 116, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8946 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 114):
Of course LAN has the Chilean corporate contracts on the SCL-BOG route which operates 7x weekly with the B763. Similarly, AV-TA simply couldn't compete with LAN for the corporate contracts and other premium customers that travel frequently between SCL and LIM.

Avianca flies the same frequency on the A330, also filled with colombian corporate contracts. So it's not the same situation as SCL-LIM, far from it.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 114):
Now AV-TA operates the LIM-SCL route 10x weekly and often deploys the E90 on the route on certain days.

Plus the codeshare with Sky.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 115):
This is just AV: Schedule for yesterday, but 7 dailies everyday.

Wow. But honestly I don't think that schedule is sustainable. Sure, MDE needed more capacity to the coast, but jumping from three daily A318s to CTG to 9 daily flights (AV plus VC) might be a little bit too much. AV is certainly being extra agressive towards Viva. In the end, the customer is the one who wins. I imagine that a lot of people in Medellín are considering taking a vacation in CTG more frequently.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 115):
VVC, that has been mentioned earlier, is an airport that should see A320 service later on. I agree that it would be no replacement for BOG, but it certainly has potential for some domestic routes.

Apart from CTG and MDE, I wouldn't see anywhere else that could sustain A320 service from VVC. It sure does have potential but it is limited too, after all it serves a city of 400k only, with some extra traffic mainly related to oil.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 115):
Not just Chile, other countries are improving their airport infrastructure.

EZE just opened a new terminal right? In Colombia, most of the main airports are expanding (BOG, MDE, CTG, SMR, PEI, BGA) and the regional ones are getting proper maintenance and facelifts.


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 117, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8936 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 106):
I think that there is no doubt that TAM will indeed use the A320 on a more profitable route. A sign that it's finding it very hard to compete on GRU-BOG, and certainly business customers.

TAM requested yesterday to the brazilian regulator cancellation of it's GRU-BOG service. Now it's pretty much done.

Sources say that this flights was popular with passengers redeeming FF award tickets.



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User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 118, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8711 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 116):
Wow. But honestly I don't think that schedule is sustainable. Sure, MDE needed more capacity to the coast, but jumping from three daily A318s to CTG to 9 daily flights (AV plus VC) might be a little bit too much. AV is certainly being extra agressive towards Viva

I am also surprised at the increase in capacity. I would have thought that AV at 3 or 4 daily and VC at 2 daily, both on A320 family a/c would be fair for now, with steady expansion going forward, rather than this sudden flood. I certainly hope that Viva can resist the pressure AV is putting on, and there can be continued supply of air fares at decent rates.

Whilst on the subject, in the last 24 hours Viva have announced a new route: MDE-ADZ starting the 1st of September, 4 x weekly to start off, going daily in October. Viva will go against Copa, which a have a daily MDE-ADZ. There should be room for both.
Also on the first of September should see the start of MDE-MTR, which had been postponed. It will start at 3 weekly, going daily from 1st October.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 116):
Apart from CTG and MDE, I wouldn't see anywhere else that could sustain A320 service from VVC. It sure does have potential but it is limited too, after all it serves a city of 400k only, with some extra traffic mainly related to oil.

Considering that VVC mosty sees DC3s, it will already be quite revolutionary to see A320s from MDE, and later CTG.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 117):
TAM requested yesterday to the brazilian regulator cancellation of it's GRU-BOG service. Now it's pretty much done.

This is it, then. Let's see how LAN do. Their schedule should allow for some easy connections beyond GRU, which TAM's did not.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 119, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8705 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 118):
This is it, then. Let's see how LAN do. Their schedule should allow for some easy connections beyond GRU, which TAM's did not.

but the flight allowes basically no connections in BOG, really dont understand the biggest bunch of currents Lan international flights ex Bog... very limited connections in place.



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 120, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 8657 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 118):
Whilst on the subject, in the last 24 hours Viva have announced a new route: MDE-ADZ starting the 1st of September, 4 x weekly to start off, going daily in October. Viva will go against Copa, which a have a daily MDE-ADZ. There should be room for both.

There will be. With the fares that Copa, LAN and Avianca charge to San Andrés island, Viva will come as a huge relief to the island's tourism market.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 118):
Also on the first of September should see the start of MDE-MTR, which had been postponed. It will start at 3 weekly, going daily from 1st October.

I was thinking the other day, and frankly, I see Viva as a threat to the sustainability of EOH as a commercial airport. Routes like PEI, APO, BGA, CUC and MTR, served from EOH by LAN, Satena, Easyfly and Ada, are now competing against Viva and Avianca from MDE. In the near future, places like IBE and AXM might also get service. Not to mention the increasingly improved road links between Medellín and Rionegro that are rendering the trip to MDE faster every day. This leaves a niche of tiny markets to serve from Medellín's downtown airport! Will people continue to pay a fare premium just to land at EOH? Remember how Satena was hurt on the BOG-EOH route when Aires launched BOG-MDE with low fares. Very few people were willing to pay 9N's high fares. EOH's passenger numbers have also been constantly falling during the past few years.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 118):
I would have thought that AV at 3 or 4 daily and VC at 2 daily, both on A320 family a/c would be fair for now, with steady expansion going forward, rather than this sudden flood.

Indeed, those were also my thoughts. I also hope that Viva can resist and coexist with Avianca.


User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 121, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 8628 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 120):
I was thinking the other day, and frankly, I see Viva as a threat to the sustainability of EOH as a commercial airport. Routes like PEI, APO, BGA, CUC and MTR, served from EOH by LAN, Satena, Easyfly and Ada, are now competing against Viva and Avianca from MDE. In the near future, places like IBE and AXM might also get service. Not to mention the increasingly improved road links between Medellín and Rionegro that are rendering the trip to MDE faster every day

You may well be right. On one hand there is Viva setting up new routes from MDE that have only been operated with turbo-props from EOH. But there is also LAN's phasing out of its Dash fleet, and that may also choose to fly some of those routes from MDE -though I guess they will come to act too late, when if they had had any sort of initiative or simple foresight would have got there before Viva and Avianca.

I guess that although we might well see decreasing passenger numbers at EOH (they currently stand at 0.9 million a year), it will still have enough of a market for EasyFly, Satena and ADA in most if not all of their current routes, and in the case of Satena maybe even some trunk routes not allowed for other airlines: CTG, BAQ or increasing CLO beyond the current 2 daily). There might be growth to smaller, more remote destinations.

One big test will be when the Medellin-Santa Elena tunnel is built that will apparently half the time to the airport from the city.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 122, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8466 times:

As had been reported by CAPA, colombian press is now further documenting Jetblue's expansion plans into the country, Dave Barger and a bunch of B6 executives were visiting Cartagena, due to receive JFK flights from the airline starting november 2, and got a chance to talk to business newspaper Portafolio:

http://www.portafolio.co/negocios/je...lue-ampliara-su-operacion-colombia

They said that they are interested in launching BOG-SJU by summer 2013M MDE, CLO and BAQ are also being evaluated for service, I would imagine from FLL.

CAPA's report forma few weeks back:

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...atin-america-growth-platform-76555


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 123, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8239 times:

BOG's new international terminal will be 100% operational in october, occasional flights will be using the terminal between september 4th and september 24th for final testing:

http://www.portafolio.co/economia/mu...rnacional-eldorado-operara-octubre

Less than two months away!


User currently offlinefalkerker From Seychelles, joined Apr 2012, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8248 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 123):
OG's new international terminal will be 100% operational in october

When in October? Santos said "third week". I mean, when will I be checking in at the new terminal and not at old BOG? I hope they publish this info in advance so as to avoid problems with people arriving at the old terminal or not knowing how or when it will start working.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8239 times:

Quoting falkerker (Reply 124):

O don't know, but the only thing that i want is it to be ready for my november trip to Miami.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 126, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8229 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 118):
Viva will go against Copa, which a have a daily MDE-ADZ. There should be room for both.

as per my understanding they have 2 daily flights MDE-ADZ-MDE

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 120):
There will be. With the fares that Copa, LAN and Avianca charge to San Andrés island, Viva will come as a huge relief to the island's tourism market.

yes ADZ must be a money maker for all 3!



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 127, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8228 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 121):
One big test will be when the Medellin-Santa Elena tunnel is built that will apparently half the time to the airport from the city.

The land that EOH occupies could be used for much more valuable projects than the old little airport. Prime real estate space could be built up there (El Poblado has literally run out of space), a new park, a couple of new streets, cultural spaces. I hope that the closure of EOH is concreted once improvements such as the Santa Elena tunnel and the proposed MetroCable line are open, just have all of the operations go to MDE, build a larger terminal and in the future a second runway!

Quoting falkerker (Reply 124):
I hope they publish this info in advance so as to avoid problems with people arriving at the old terminal or not knowing how or when it will start working.

I'm sure they will, what airport operator would want that kind of mess in the first place. And OPAÍN have been very organized in general.

Quoting falkerker (Reply 124):
I mean, when will I be checking in at the new terminal and not at old BOG?

After october you should be fine...yes, there is no set DAY in the news article, but the last week of october should see the full start of operations. I'm sure the announcement with the actual day will come soon.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 128, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8222 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 127):
I hope that the closure of EOH is concreted once improvements such as the Santa Elena tunnel and the proposed MetroCable line are open, just have all of the operations go to MDE, build a larger terminal and in the future a second runway!

In terms of the number of flights that operate into any Colombian airport; what is EOH's rank?

[Edited 2012-08-22 19:13:40]

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 129, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8210 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 128):
In terms of the number of flights that operate into any Colombian airport; what is EOH's rank?

It should be quite high up there, probably top 10, but it's nothing that MDE with an improved landing system or a new runway couldn't take. Taking away the duplicate flights (EOH-BGA, EOH-CUC, EOH-MTR, EOH-PEI, EOH-CLO, etc), the number of operations that would hypothetically go to MDE should also decrease.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 41
Reply 130, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8033 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 128):
In terms of the number of flights that operate into any Colombian airport; what is EOH's rank?

isnt it the second ranked airport in terms of flights?

Cheers
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8034 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 127):

I saw yesterday 2 AV's A320s at gates in the new terminal, looked like they were doing some practicing runs of the whole thing, including baggage handling.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 132, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7946 times:

This is the current domestic schedule for AV, CM* and LA at BOG, on a September monday:

Avianca/LAN/Copa daily flights:

MDE 27/9/4
CLO 23/6/4
CTG 14/5/3
BAQ 12/3/3
BGA 10/3/3
PEI 10/3
MZL 8/2
NVA 6/3
SMR 6/2/3
CUC 6/3/3
AXM 6/2
EJA 4
IBE 4/2
ADZ 3/2/3
MTR 3/2
PPN 3
PSO 3
VUP 3/1
EYP 2/4
FLA 1
RCH 1
PUU 1 (LA)
LET 1/1 (CM*/LA)
UIB 1 daily (LA)
VVC 2 daily (LA)


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 133, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7666 times:

The AviancaTaca holding has transported 13,5% more passengers form january to july, as compared to the same period last year:

http://www.elespectador.com/economia...3-millones-de-pasajeros-hasta-juli

Highlights:

Domestic traffic (Colombia, Perú and Ecuador) is strong with a 20,9% increase on a 28,8% increase in ASKs. This must be a reflection of the increased number of passengers on the peruvian, ecuadorian and mostly colombian networks. The passenger explosion is back in colombian skies with fares cheaper than ever in history, it started at the end of may and should be in full swing by september, when viva opens some new routes. There's also the intention of growing the peruvian network, with flights to IQT and PCL being mentioned to the press. The colombian network just added El Yopal (EYP) as a new destination, a strong oil route from BOG.

International traffic seems stagnant, with a mere 0,9% increase for the seven month period on a, 8,3% increase in capacity.

Let's hope that new routes and additions such as SAL-CLO, CLO-LIM, MDE-LIM, the morning MAD-BOG flights and extra BOG-GIG frequencies, which were just recently applied, have a more positive response.


User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 134, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 127):
The land that EOH occupies could be used for much more valuable projects than the old little airport. Prime real estate space could be built up there (El Poblado has literally run out of space), a new park, a couple of new streets, cultural spaces. I hope that the closure of EOH is concreted once improvements such as the Santa Elena tunnel and the proposed MetroCable line are open, just have all of the operations go to MDE, build a larger terminal and in the future a second runway!

Given that EOH in under a 20 year concession, for which improvement works have been made for a brighter and more pleasant terminal and walkways to the airplanes among others, I guess that EOH will stay open for at least 20 years.

But of course, MDE does have to have plans in place to take the capacity for when it's needed.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 129):
It should be quite high up there, probably top 10, but it's nothing that MDE with an improved landing system or a new runway couldn't take

Actually, EOH is second in commercial operations - even more than MDE itself.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 135, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7447 times:

So the DOT filing in which AV intends to change the TA brand is finally on colobmain press:

http://www.elespectador.com/impreso/...-avianca-acelera-absorcion-de-taca

The article raises interesting points, and has some journalism mistakes of course:

- There is conrete interest in TAP, opportunities for further growth in the continent are also being analyzed (cough Sky)
- Operational income was 19% higher than the first semester of 2011.
- The say LAN is getting close to a 30% share of the colombian market, which is not true.
- Tampa should see their first A330Fs by the end of this year.
- Efromovich talks more Europe again, which is getting kind of repetitive, but there are four pax A330s coming in between this year and next.
- Nine deliveries are expected for the holding in 2013. 3 A319s, 3 A320s and 3 A330s.
- Service improvements are on their way.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 134):
Given that EOH in under a 20 year concession, for which improvement works have been made for a brighter and more pleasant terminal and walkways to the airplanes among others, I guess that EOH will stay open for at least 20 years.

Whend did this concession start? I would guess that once it ends EOH could be facing closure.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 134):
Actually, EOH is second in commercial operations - even more than MDE itself.



I guess air taxi is counted as commercial?


User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 136, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7431 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 135):
Efromovich talks more Europe again, which is getting kind of repetitive, but there are four pax A330s coming in between this year and next.

Certainly repetitive. I don't think that the reference to 3 A330s coming next year are all passenger aircraft. I believe that 2 of those will be freighters for Tampa (2 this year - 2 next), whilst pax aircraft there will be one being delivered in the next 2 weeks, and another one in March next year. The first will mean one being transferred to Taca in LIM, and the one next year we shall have to see.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 135):
Service improvements are on their way.

Another repetitive statement.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 135):
I guess air taxi is counted as commercial?

Sure


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 137, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7360 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 136):
I don't think that the reference to 3 A330s coming next year are all passenger aircraft. I believe that 2 of those will be freighters for Tampa (2 this year - 2 next), whilst pax aircraft there will be one being delivered in the next 2 weeks, and another one in March next year.

That makes sense, but then why did they mention the two A330Fs separately? Maybe it's a journalism mistake, knowing how common they are.

What remains the question is, when are the extra A330s that were ordered arriving (6 pax + 3 cargo)? Do we have a set date on those or not? I seriously don't remember.


User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 138, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7341 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 137):
That makes sense, but then why did they mention the two A330Fs separately? Maybe it's a journalism mistake, knowing how common they are.

Indeed one cannot take what is written in newspapers at face value. It would be good if there were 3 pax A330s coming next year, and that the article did not take into account the freighters, but we cannot really be sure.

The last pax A330 of the original order is to be delivered next March. No idea when the 6 of the top are order (or the 3 top up freighters) are due. For the passenger A330s it would make sense that it was sooner rather than later, but in any case it would seem that the group airlines will be receiving A330s and 787s in parallel.


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 139, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7316 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 121):
But there is also LAN's phasing out of its Dash fleet

They renewed the leases on the -200 series not long ago.
I am not saying they won't be phased out, they may but it won't be as soon as many people thought.
The -Q400 on the other hand have gone out.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 121):
One big test will be when the Medellin-Santa Elena tunnel is built that will apparently half the time to the airport from the city.

They say it will be around 20 minutes, which is pretty acceptable for me. What I don't even want to know is the price they are going to charge to use it. If the lacklustre roads used now are as expensive as they are... I guess most of us average residents will keep using the old roads unless we really need to use the tunnel.
If they really want it to have time lasting effect, it should have provisions for a rail passing too (I do not know if the current design does). The old green bus isn't really the best way (unless one wants adventure), rail is the decent way to get to airports.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 128):
In terms of the number of flights that operate into any Colombian airport; what is EOH's rank?

In terms of flights it's number 2. Mind you, there are many general aviation operations there, flight schools and small carriers.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 134):
Given that EOH in under a 20 year concession, for which improvement works have been made for a brighter and more pleasant terminal and walkways to the airplanes among others, I guess that EOH will stay open for at least 20 years.



Unless of course Airplan was paid if the decision to close the airport is made, but then they would charge like a gazillion dollars and it would be a long and painful legal process. I also think it will stay open, but they should have closed it right when Rionegro was put to service (as it happened, but then not re-open it).

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 135):
Whend did this concession start? I would guess that once it ends EOH could be facing closure.

Airplan was given 6 airports at once. EOH, MDE, MTR, CZU, UIB and APO. I do not know if they started the very same day at the same hour, but they started around the same time period overall. There was some turmoil with EOH because it belonged to the city of Medellin and not the Aerocivil (they only gave ATC and "technical" services) and was actually very profitable for the city.



I gladly accept donations to pay for flight hours! This thing draws man...
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 140, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7276 times:

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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 141, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

LAN Colombia is leaving the cities of Manizales (490k metro area) and Armenia (370k metro + very strong tourism sector), citing the operational restraints at La Nubia airport for this first and general low demand from the second, LAN flies 2x a day between BOG and each of these cities:

http://www.eltiempo.com/colombia/eje...-en-manizales-y-armenia_12199782-4

They will "concentrate" of PEI for serving the coffee region, but no frequency increases to the city have been announced.

This is in line with LAN's general cuts on the regional network.

Avianca will remain the sole operator on the BOG-MZL route with 8 daily Fokker 50 flights. On the BOG-AXM route, Avianca will fly 6 times a day (2 A318s, 4 Fokker 50s) and Easyfly will remain with one daily flight on JS 41 aircraft. Frankly, LAN's low demand excuse for AXM, while the airport is reporting two digit growth in it's domestic passenger numbers, is a load of crap.

I bet that Easyfly will jump right in with more frequencies on the BOG-AXM route (they used to fly it up to 4x daily), but what worries me is Avianca's monopoly on the Manizales route. As LAN cites, operating into La Nubia has become a nightmare, so I don't know if Easyfly will jump into the market. It is a big enough for two operators, that is for sure. Will AV raise prices and cut frequency?

On a more positive note, Easyfly has started flights between BAQ and VUP (Valledupar), relaunching a route flown years ago by AIRES.

http://www.aviacol.net/noticias-del-...tre-barranquilla-y-valledupar.html

On another negative note, the first actual commercial flight to use BOG's new terminal has had to be postponed because the idiots at DIAN and OPAÍN never bothered to coordinate the customs procedures at the new terminal and came to realize it the day before AV's incoming flight from PTY was due to land:

http://www.aviacol.net/noticias-del-...nal-de-pasajeros-de-el-dorado.html

Hopefully this incompetence will be taken care of swiftly.

[Edited 2012-09-06 17:21:22]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 142, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7043 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 141):
They will "concentrate" of PEI for serving the coffee region, but no frequency increases to the city have been announced.

By the end of this year, LAN Colombia will only have a fleet of 9 DHC-8-200s, 6 B-737-700s and 6 A-320s. Look at LAN's schedule from BOG next month, do you notice any increase in frequencies to any other destinations within Colombia excluding PEI...Also, how many weekly flights does LAN Colombia operate from EOH?


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6962 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 142):
n another negative note, the first actual commercial flight to use BOG's new terminal has had to be postponed because the idiots at DIAN and OPAÍN never bothered to coordinate the customs procedures at the new terminal and came to realize it the day before AV's incoming flight from PTY was due to land:

http://www.aviacol.net/noticias-del-...nal-de-pasajeros-de-el-dorado.html

Hopefully this incompetence will be taken care of swiftly.

In this article, OPAIN blames DIAN. It seems they never showed up in protest on because they made some last minute demands regarding space and who else knows, so they decided to sabotage the whole thing. Aerocivil stated that at least ONE weekly flight had to be tested in the new terminal before receiving and officially inaugurating the building. IMHO, someone in the govt better step up and have some words with some of these idiots who run the DIAN and Aerocivil.

http://www.portafolio.co/negocios/ae...cibira-obra-eldorado-vuelos-prueba



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 144, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6937 times:

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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 145, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6904 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 144):
I finally got a minute to post my latest Bogota photos on the forum.

They're very nice!

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 142):
do you notice any increase in frequencies to any other destinations within Colombia excluding PEI.

I think there's a second daily to VUP and that's it, but you tell me. LAN is no doubt shrinking their domestic network by cutting two destinations that's for sure.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 143):
IMHO, someone in the govt better step up and have some words with some of these idiots who run the DIAN and Aerocivil.

This is shameful.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 143):
In this article, OPAIN blames DIAN. It seems they never showed up in protest on because they made some last minute demands regarding space and who else knows, so they decided to sabotage the whole thing.

Pathetic. What a bunch of morons. Let's hope this is a case of a couple days delay and not a couple of months.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 142):
.Also, how many weekly flights does LAN Colombia operate from EOH?

EOH serves the city of Medellín, not the coffee region per se. Geographically, the coffee region comprises some of the south of the department of Antioquia and areas of northern Tolima and Valle del Cauca, plus the departments of Caldas, Risaralda and Quindío, to which people commonly refer to as the coffee region. (EOH is a 4 hour drive to Manizales, 5.5 hours to Pereira and 7 hours to Armenia)


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 146, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6892 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 145):
I think there's a second daily to VUP and that's it, but you tell me. LAN is no doubt shrinking their domestic network by cutting two destinations that's for sure.

It's good that LAN is closing two underperforming stations and focusing on increasing frequency and capacity on existing routes. Destinations such as BAQ, BGA, CTG, MDE, etc. will enjoy more competition. Also, LAN Colombia is interested in launching services to new destinations within Colombia, i.e. BOG-PSO.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 145):
EOH serves the city of Medellín, not the coffee region per se. Geographically, the coffee region comprises some of the south of the department of Antioquia and areas of northern Tolima and Valle del Cauca, plus the departments of Caldas, Risaralda and Quindío, to which people commonly refer to as the coffee region. (EOH is a 4 hour drive to Manizales, 5.5 hours to Pereira and 7 hours to Armenia)

Overall, LAN Colombia operates up to 100 weekly flights via EOH. For example, EOH-APO operates 3x daily, EOH-PEI operates 3x daily, EOH-UIB operates 3x daily, EOH-MTR operates 2x daily, etc.


User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 147, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 146):
It's good that LAN is closing two underperforming stations and focusing on increasing frequency and capacity on existing routes.

Armenia and Manizales were existing routes -and for a long time- until now that LAN has decided to axe them.
Sure, they may be under performing, but so seems to be the whole of the LAN Colombia network, judging by the millions of dollars they keep losing quarter after quarter.

LAN may want to increase frequencies on trunk routes -which they planned to do anyway, but that does not change the fact that it is now 2 further destinations shorter.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 146):
Overall, LAN Colombia operates up to 100 weekly flights via EOH. For example, EOH-APO operates 3x daily, EOH-PEI operates 3x daily, EOH-UIB operates 3x daily, EOH-MTR operates 2x daily, etc.

Are you saying that LAN Colombia will increase flights out of EOH as a result of axing AXM and MZL?
I doubt it very much.

LAN Colombia, or rather Aires, has had a nice operation oout of EOH, but that too has dwindled. And sadly it will continue to do so. We know that LAN is not committed to turbo-prop operations, and yet did not have the foresight to get onto the MDE-PEI, MDE-MRT, MDE-BGA, MDE-CUC, MDE-APO etc with jet service - knowing that VIva Colombia was coming for those markets. Now it's too late, of course. Its routes out of EOH face huge competition with Viva from MDE. They started with PEI, only just started MTR, and APO will follow.
More than the routes, I think that it's LAN management that is under performing.


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