I think AS was probably interested in the route anyway, but G4's announcement has them jumping in first, by 6 days. I do not think AS is threatened by G4, I think AS being the 800 pound gorilla here in the NW, is just trying to protect their turf. Travellers in British Columbia, are used to AS to Hawaii flying from BLI, OGG is a natural choice, G4 will have an uphill battle. I think AS's has a good market from BLI, but there may not be enough to go around if other carriers start flying the same routes, AS can afford to get into a pissing match with the likes of G4, knowing if G4 doesn't see returns on the BLI-Hawaii flights, that G4 will pull them, pretty quick. Plus AS as of now looks to be only seasonal, I think G4 is year round.
Have you seen the prices for YVR-OGG flights? I've been actively looking for something in Nov, and it's gonna hurt.
A BLI-OGG (or HNL) flight is going to draw hugely from the Vancouver market - without the expenses and hassles of a transborder (Soft International) flight, and without the costs of YVR. There may well be flights that have only 6 US passports on board - all belonging to the crew! (Wait a second - it's a domestic flight so the crew might not even carry their passports!).
With the differnces in costs, I imagine they can charge $100 less than the same flight out of YVR and still yield more - and the plane will be full of Canadians. For a family of 4, the savings would more than justify the drive, even with a wait at the border.
HiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 729 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7218 times:
Quoting BE77 (Reply 6): Have you seen the prices for YVR-OGG flights? I've been actively looking for something in Nov, and it's gonna hurt.
Fares out of SEA to Hawaii are outrageous now as well. I was looking at next January to HNL or OGG and was shocked how high they are! Will have to go take a look at YVR...can't imagine they're even higher than what I saw!
Quoting BE77 (Reply 6): (Wait a second - it's a domestic flight so the crew might not even carry their passports!).
We're required to always carry our passport no matter the destination. You never know when you might have to divert due to unforeseen circumstances.
threeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 598 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6910 times:
Good to see AS finding homes for the remaining frames (IIRC 3x 739ERs as mentioned on an earlier thread) it has on order for delivery this year. By my count, AS has the following new services upcoming (plus the 2nd daily PDX-OGG mentioned by the OP - not a new route but nice nonetheless):
That might be all for this year given the delivery schedule, but there are 9x 739ERs coming onboard in 2013 while 3x 734s are scheduled to leave. 2013 should be a good year for new routes (like PIT... ).
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4960 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6755 times:
Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 12): Good to see AS finding homes for the remaining frames (IIRC 3x 739ERs as mentioned on an earlier thread) it has on order for delivery this year. By my count, AS has the following new services upcoming (plus the 2nd daily PDX-OGG mentioned by the OP - not a new route but nice nonetheless):
PDX-DCA (starts 8/28)
SEA-SAT (starts 9/17)
SAN-MCO (starts 10/11)
PDX-LIH (starts 11/5, 4x weekly, seasonal)
BLI-OGG (starts 11/8, 4x weekly, seasonal)
ANC-KOA (starts 11/10, 1x weekly, seasonal)
That might be all for this year given the delivery schedule
With seasonal adjustments, and tweaking here and there, I don't know that all 3 of this years new a/c have been accounted for yet. For example, the SAN-MCO-SAN trip required no new a/c time; it is funded entirely by a (current) RON at SAN. Also, the extra capacity split between SAN/SMF and OGG that just started a few weeks ago, is gone on the early Nov schedule so there's some freed-up a/c time.
I think there are some additional (seasonal) flights between SEA and Hawaii also coming back, and I know there are a few Mexico routes (from SJC) that are gaining frequencies, so all things considered, it's hard to tell. AS is excellent at moving their chess pieces around constantly and getting resources where they work best for profitability.
This move (BLI-OGG) is not a surprise to many of us and, with WN probably entering the Hawaii-market next year, it could get pretty exciting.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12934 posts, RR: 63 Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6030 times:
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10): Still nothing from any Los Angeles basin airport, and I'm guessing it's going to stay that way.
I have to wonder about ONT, though; the runways are long enough, it would support people who don't want to drive to LAX as well as the PSP crowd..just seems like it could be a viable market for HNL/OGG service.
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heathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 959 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4408 times:
I can see this route doing very well. With all my YVR customers, I would always suggest BLI with AS. The non-stop to HNL did well (saw many sold out flights in my GDS), I see no reason why OGG wouldn't. Maybe we will see KOA come on board at some point?
I also feel G4 caters to a more budget clientele, and I don't feel they will be a major threat to AS, however I do see them succeeding on their flight as well.
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2570 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3949 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 15): I have to wonder about ONT, though; the runways are long enough, it would support people who don't want to drive to LAX as well as the PSP crowd..just seems like it could be a viable market for HNL/OGG service.
It has not worked before for HA, TZ and others, but maybe a daily 738 would be the perfect amount of lift for a daily ONT-HNL, Too bad SNA-Hawaii is regulated to 737-700's instead of the 800, but it is what it is. I know the 738 could do it weight restricted, but not being as profitable as a full aircraft.
HiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 729 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3871 times:
If the flight does well I'm sure they'll keep it year-round. They could easily do so with one of the new airframes coming next year. Advance bookings are looking good....very few days remaining at the intro $179 each way fare! Prices around Christmas are waaay high!
25 BoeingGuy: I'd expect that SJC-GDL was doing well, but I'm very surprised that SJC-SJD is going daily. I didn't think that route was doing as well and I was won
26 HPRamper: Nah, but they could always bring back the Western name...
27 BoeingGuy: I have a better idea for their long term name, Alaska Airlines. I would mind seeing Pacific Southwest and the smile come back though.
28 HiFlyerAS: Love all the great history attached to the Alaska name...but Pacific Airways has a nice ring to it.
29 BoeingGuy: That was the name of one of the Hughes Airwest predecessors. I say let Chester the Eskimo continue to been seen in LIH, PVR, AUS, FLL, MCO, KOA, SAN
30 woodsboy: AS, PLEASE! FAI-anywhere in Hawaii! We have had charters that operated seasonally in the past and obviously from a city/area like Fairbanks (100,000+
31 Tomassjc: The SJD flight will originate in SEA and feed off of PDX, BOI and RNO inbound flights as well. Tom SJC
32 coopdogyo: I am not sure that AS 737's would have the range to do FAI-Hawaii. Even if they did it would probably be pretty tight and it would be the longest fli
33 wedgetail737: I kind of like Pacific Western like the old Canadian counterpart.
34 RWA380: Best thing I've seen written in regards to this specific topic, AS is Alaska Airlines it will stay a solo carrier with strong name recognition, even