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Alaska Airlines To Launch Bellingham – Kahului  
User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 261 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8942 times:

Launching November 8th per the gentleman's article above.

AS807 BLI1100 – 1520OGG 73H x146
AS808 OGG1500 – 2255BLI 73H x357

Interesting!

Also this fall AS begins:

ANC-KOA
PDX-LIH
2nd daily PDX-OGG



Allegiant also begins BLI-HNL on November 15,2012 and BLI-OGG on November 14, 2012

[Edited 2012-06-26 19:34:08]

[Edited 2012-06-27 09:04:31 by SA7700]

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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 924 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8597 times:

Was hoping to see this...but have not seen a press release as yet from AS.

User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8587 times:
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Interesting that AS would choose to do this route now instead of a pre-emptive strike like their BLI-HNL.

User currently offlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8526 times:

So do they feel

(A) threatened by G4, or

(B) see lucrative yields?


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8463 times:

I'm not getting in on this discussion until there is a formal announcement of the route... been there, done that.

bb


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 8087 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 2):
Interesting that AS would choose to do this route now instead of a pre-emptive strike like their BLI-HNL.

Well AS is planning to start 6 days earlier than G4, and is also offering more flights per week

Quoting sldispatcher (Reply 3):
So do they feel

(A) threatened by G4, or

(B) see lucrative yields?

I think AS was probably interested in the route anyway, but G4's announcement has them jumping in first, by 6 days. I do not think AS is threatened by G4, I think AS being the 800 pound gorilla here in the NW, is just trying to protect their turf. Travellers in British Columbia, are used to AS to Hawaii flying from BLI, OGG is a natural choice, G4 will have an uphill battle. I think AS's has a good market from BLI, but there may not be enough to go around if other carriers start flying the same routes, AS can afford to get into a pissing match with the likes of G4, knowing if G4 doesn't see returns on the BLI-Hawaii flights, that G4 will pull them, pretty quick. Plus AS as of now looks to be only seasonal, I think G4 is year round.

[Edited 2012-06-27 04:09:20]


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User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 8068 times:

Quoting sldispatcher (Reply 3):
(B) see lucrative yields?

Have you seen the prices for YVR-OGG flights? I've been actively looking for something in Nov, and it's gonna hurt.

A BLI-OGG (or HNL) flight is going to draw hugely from the Vancouver market - without the expenses and hassles of a transborder (Soft International) flight, and without the costs of YVR. There may well be flights that have only 6 US passports on board - all belonging to the crew! (Wait a second - it's a domestic flight so the crew might not even carry their passports!).
With the differnces in costs, I imagine they can charge $100 less than the same flight out of YVR and still yield more - and the plane will be full of Canadians. For a family of 4, the savings would more than justify the drive, even with a wait at the border.



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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 924 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 7847 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 6):
Have you seen the prices for YVR-OGG flights? I've been actively looking for something in Nov, and it's gonna hurt.

Fares out of SEA to Hawaii are outrageous now as well. I was looking at next January to HNL or OGG and was shocked how high they are! Will have to go take a look at YVR...can't imagine they're even higher than what I saw!

Quoting BE77 (Reply 6):
(Wait a second - it's a domestic flight so the crew might not even carry their passports!).

We're required to always carry our passport no matter the destination. You never know when you might have to divert due to unforeseen circumstances.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2211 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 7831 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 6):
A BLI-OGG (or HNL) flight is going to draw hugely from the Vancouver market - without the expenses and hassles of a transborder (Soft International) flight

Last year, I flew LAS-BLI-SEA on AS / QX; I flew via Bellingham soley to log BLI. At least half of the cars I saw at BLI had "Beautiful British Columbia" license plates.



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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 924 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 7771 times:

We finally get a press release...it's official:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/alaska...ds-seasonal-between-145400598.html


User currently onlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2985 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 7648 times:

I made the call on this one months ago.   It was a good guess that AS would start this route next given that BLI-HNL was apparently doing well.

What's left for AS to connect the dots to Hawaii? SAN-KOA/LIH are left; maybe more from SMF? Still nothing from any Los Angeles basin airport, and I'm guessing it's going to stay that way.


User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1169 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 7566 times:
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The town fathers of BLI should probably bow to the inevitable and formally rename their airport Vancouver South / Bellingham.


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User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 672 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 7539 times:

Good to see AS finding homes for the remaining frames (IIRC 3x 739ERs as mentioned on an earlier thread) it has on order for delivery this year. By my count, AS has the following new services upcoming (plus the 2nd daily PDX-OGG mentioned by the OP - not a new route but nice nonetheless):

PDX-DCA (starts 8/28)
SEA-SAT (starts 9/17)
SAN-MCO (starts 10/11)
PDX-LIH (starts 11/5, 4x weekly, seasonal)
BLI-OGG (starts 11/8, 4x weekly, seasonal)
ANC-KOA (starts 11/10, 1x weekly, seasonal)

That might be all for this year given the delivery schedule, but there are 9x 739ERs coming onboard in 2013 while 3x 734s are scheduled to leave. 2013 should be a good year for new routes (like PIT...  ).

http://www.alaskaair.com/content/abo...et.aspx#aircraft-delivery-schedule


User currently offlinesn26567 From Belgium, joined Aug 2004, 131 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 7439 times:

The information was initially published by Airline Route. Why has the reference been deleted?


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 7384 times:

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 12):
Good to see AS finding homes for the remaining frames (IIRC 3x 739ERs as mentioned on an earlier thread) it has on order for delivery this year. By my count, AS has the following new services upcoming (plus the 2nd daily PDX-OGG mentioned by the OP - not a new route but nice nonetheless):
PDX-DCA (starts 8/28)
SEA-SAT (starts 9/17)
SAN-MCO (starts 10/11)
PDX-LIH (starts 11/5, 4x weekly, seasonal)
BLI-OGG (starts 11/8, 4x weekly, seasonal)
ANC-KOA (starts 11/10, 1x weekly, seasonal)
That might be all for this year given the delivery schedule

With seasonal adjustments, and tweaking here and there, I don't know that all 3 of this years new a/c have been accounted for yet. For example, the SAN-MCO-SAN trip required no new a/c time; it is funded entirely by a (current) RON at SAN. Also, the extra capacity split between SAN/SMF and OGG that just started a few weeks ago, is gone on the early Nov schedule so there's some freed-up a/c time.

I think there are some additional (seasonal) flights between SEA and Hawaii also coming back, and I know there are a few Mexico routes (from SJC) that are gaining frequencies, so all things considered, it's hard to tell. AS is excellent at moving their chess pieces around constantly and getting resources where they work best for profitability.

This move (BLI-OGG) is not a surprise to many of us and, with WN probably entering the Hawaii-market next year, it could get pretty exciting.

bb


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13515 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 6659 times:
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
Still nothing from any Los Angeles basin airport, and I'm guessing it's going to stay that way.

I have to wonder about ONT, though; the runways are long enough, it would support people who don't want to drive to LAX as well as the PSP crowd..just seems like it could be a viable market for HNL/OGG service.



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User currently onlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5449 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 12):
PDX-DCA (starts 8/28)
SEA-SAT (starts 9/17)
SAN-MCO (starts 10/11)
PDX-LIH (starts 11/5, 4x weekly, seasonal)
BLI-OGG (starts 11/8, 4x weekly, seasonal)
ANC-KOA (starts 11/10, 1x weekly, seasonal)

Off topic, but look at those routes listed:

*Three are Hawaii routes
*Two are full transcons
*Only one is a SEA route

.....This is Alaska Airlines, right...???  

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently onlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2985 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 5231 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 16):
Off topic, but look at those routes listed:

*Three are Hawaii routes
*Two are full transcons
*Only one is a SEA route

.....This is Alaska Airlines, right...???

Yeah, and only one of those touches the state of Alaska and that being 1/week seasonally. Yep, that's the Alaska Airlines that we know in the likes of FLL, AUS, SAN, PVR and LIH.


User currently offlineheathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 978 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

I can see this route doing very well. With all my YVR customers, I would always suggest BLI with AS. The non-stop to HNL did well (saw many sold out flights in my GDS), I see no reason why OGG wouldn't. Maybe we will see KOA come on board at some point?

I also feel G4 caters to a more budget clientele, and I don't feel they will be a major threat to AS, however I do see them succeeding on their flight as well.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 4980 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 16):
.....This is Alaska Airlines, right...???

That's right, Planes', the Alaska that some of us have grown to love even more than before!  

(I guess it's now time to start talking about AS changing their name...   )

bb


User currently onlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2985 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 4847 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):
(I guess it's now time to start talking about AS changing their name... )

It just better not start with a "D".


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 846 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 4788 times:
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Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 12):
PDX-DCA (starts 8/28)
SEA-SAT (starts 9/17)
SAN-MCO (starts 10/11)
PDX-LIH (starts 11/5, 4x weekly, seasonal)
BLI-OGG (starts 11/8, 4x weekly, seasonal)
ANC-KOA (starts 11/10, 1x weekly, seasonal)

That might be all for this year given the delivery schedule



Some increase in frequency from The Bay Area: SJC-GDL and SJC-SJD with both go Daily effective December 16th.

Tom SJC



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User currently offlineStudeDave From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4676 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 8):
At least half of the cars I saw at BLI had "Beautiful British Columbia" license plates.

You must've been there on a 'slow' day~ it's normally more like 75-85%!!!

Quoting Coronado (Reply 11):
The town fathers of BLI should probably bow to the inevitable and formally rename their airport Vancouver South / Bellingham.

Have you ever noted how it's listed on G4's website? Somewhere within it is listed almost as such.




StudeDave



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4578 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 15):
I have to wonder about ONT, though; the runways are long enough, it would support people who don't want to drive to LAX as well as the PSP crowd..just seems like it could be a viable market for HNL/OGG service.

It has not worked before for HA, TZ and others, but maybe a daily 738 would be the perfect amount of lift for a daily ONT-HNL, Too bad SNA-Hawaii is regulated to 737-700's instead of the 800, but it is what it is. I know the 738 could do it weight restricted, but not being as profitable as a full aircraft.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 16):
Off topic, but look at those routes listed:

*Three are Hawaii routes
*Two are full transcons
*Only one is a SEA route

.....This is Alaska Airlines, right...???

Goes to show AS is just as dedicated to PDX almost as much as SEA. I think AS will do great things from SAN in time as well, as it's already started.



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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 924 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

If the flight does well I'm sure they'll keep it year-round. They could easily do so with one of the new airframes coming next year. Advance bookings are looking good....very few days remaining at the intro $179 each way fare! Prices around Christmas are waaay high!

25 BoeingGuy : I'd expect that SJC-GDL was doing well, but I'm very surprised that SJC-SJD is going daily. I didn't think that route was doing as well and I was won
26 HPRamper : Nah, but they could always bring back the Western name...
27 Post contains images BoeingGuy : I have a better idea for their long term name, Alaska Airlines. I would mind seeing Pacific Southwest and the smile come back though.
28 HiFlyerAS : Love all the great history attached to the Alaska name...but Pacific Airways has a nice ring to it.
29 BoeingGuy : That was the name of one of the Hughes Airwest predecessors. I say let Chester the Eskimo continue to been seen in LIH, PVR, AUS, FLL, MCO, KOA, SAN
30 woodsboy : AS, PLEASE! FAI-anywhere in Hawaii! We have had charters that operated seasonally in the past and obviously from a city/area like Fairbanks (100,000+
31 Tomassjc : The SJD flight will originate in SEA and feed off of PDX, BOI and RNO inbound flights as well. Tom SJC
32 coopdogyo : I am not sure that AS 737's would have the range to do FAI-Hawaii. Even if they did it would probably be pretty tight and it would be the longest fli
33 wedgetail737 : I kind of like Pacific Western like the old Canadian counterpart.
34 RWA380 : Best thing I've seen written in regards to this specific topic, AS is Alaska Airlines it will stay a solo carrier with strong name recognition, even
35 wedgetail737 : LOL! I totally agree.
36 wedgetail737 : They could rename the airline to Jet America. LOL!
37 HiFlyerAS : All the ex-Jet America employees sure would get a kick out of that!
38 Post contains links planemaker : Bellingham airport zooming to new heights Boom in Canadian travel demand triples size of facility
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