RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2164 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6602 times:
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 1): AA...maybe at some point, but likewise I think they will fly other places first
Some have speculated that AA would be a good fit for A DFW-HKG flight, connecting 2 OneWorld hubs, but I think AA has a hurdle to overcome with it's pilots union for a flight of this stage length, unless that has been resolved and I missed it.
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jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7348 posts, RR: 7 Reply 3, posted (11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6580 times:
Flying to Hong Kong has been missing from AA's route map since they took delivery of the 777. With the bankruptcy they should be able to do away with the clause limiting stage length. Their new 77W's would be perfect a DFW to HKG route.
g500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 726 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6484 times:
AA flying to HKG has been discussed at lenght. The prospects are not good for AA to land there. LAX and JFK are well covered by Cathay with 3X ot 4X daily.
There is one fly from ORD to HKG as well.
That leaves DFW, and I doubt that
US? out of PHX? I doubt that even more. Besides I don't think US's A330s can do the leg west bound
mogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6438 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):
Flying to Hong Kong has been missing from AA's route map since they took delivery of the 777. With the bankruptcy they should be able to do away with the clause limiting stage length. Their new 77W's would be perfect a DFW to HKG route.
Launching the longest route in their network with the largest plane in the fleet to a destination with zero existing presence and minimal (if any) brand recognition on a routing that's even longer than JFK-HKG at $80/oil ? ya good luck with that
never say never, but if DL couldn't get ATLICN and ATLPVG to work, then odds are against AA
Better chance of success if it's AA+CX JV but operated and marketed by CX
ordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 584 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6388 times:
Unless AA landed some really huge lucrative corporate or cargo contract to do DFW-HKG I do not see it. AA is really gunshy with ULH routes.
US will not do it unless they buy an A332 now, get off their all airbus policy and buy some 787s or 777s or wait for another 5+ years until they get their A350s. They only have the A333 and it can not make the outbound trip. Even if US finally broke in Asia, I would see NRT or China before HKG.
817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6365 times:
Quoting ordjoe (Reply 6): US will not do it unless they buy an A332 now, get off their all airbus policy and buy some 787s or 777s or wait for another 5+ years until they get their A350s. They only have the A333 and it can not make the outbound trip. Even if US finally broke in Asia, I would see NRT or China before HKG.
sw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6072 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6170 times:
Quoting g500 (Reply 4): There is one fly from ORD to HKG as well.
CX does 1x daily, and UA does 1x daily, so AA would be the third carrier doing Chicago to Hong Kong. They could probably fill the plane, but at what profit? I think they'd best stick to Dallas if they did ever start Hong Kong service.
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6780 posts, RR: 25 Reply 9, posted (11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6142 times:
Quoting sw733 (Reply 8): does 1x daily, and UA does 1x daily, so AA would be the third carrier doing Chicago to Hong Kong. They could probably fill the plane, but at what profit? I think they'd best stick to Dallas if they did ever start Hong Kong service.
Indeed. DFW-HKG would be a great 787 route. I dont see AA going for it with the 77W. Its too much plane for that route.
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 5): never say never, but if DL couldn't get ATLICN and ATLPVG to work, then odds are against AA
Apples and oranges. DL and MU were not partners for 90% of the time the route was flown. ATL-ICN was turned over to KE and given DL and KE's joint venture and strong partnership, it was the right thing. During the time DL flew ATL-ICN, they had a big shortage of 777s. That plane would be put to better use when you get revenue from the flights KE is operating.
DFW Fan Boy: Im crude, irreverent, and blunt, but Im not clueless. I offer no apologies.
ripcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1023 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6141 times:
The pilot contract will be settled and they will be able to fly the route. AA has a huge presence in DFW and could make the route work just with DFW traffic now throw in CX in HKG it will work. Once the pilots are settled you will see DFW to HKG
mogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6097 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9): Apples and oranges. DL and MU were not partners for 90% of the time the route was flown. ATL-ICN was turned over to KE and given DL and KE's joint venture and strong partnership, it was the right thing. During the time DL flew ATL-ICN, they had a big shortage of 777s. That plane would be put to better use when you get revenue from the flights KE is operating.
What makes you think AA is better to operate DFW-HKG than CX ? If DL handed it over to KE, then AA should ask CX to do it too.
AA's track record with launching non-NRT AsiaPac flights is so dismal (3, to be exact) that I couldn't believe any hype their management throws out until I see it actually loaded into booking systems. Even JL decided to use their 787s to non-OW hubs of BOS and SAN instead of taking a stab at that alleged gold mine that MIA-NRT is hyped up to be.
na747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 117 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5998 times:
AA is not going anywhere.
AA has stopped competing. They stopped competing & expanding a few years back. They're not interested in truly expanding or doing ulh flights.
They much prefer sending paxs to London/Madrid/Tokyo & turning the paxs over to their partners.
With the current management all they have done is retrench & pulled back.
And with the so-called "Cornerstone" strategy, well, good luck with that.
Not until the current mngmnt is wiped out & start with new, fresh meat, (and it wont happen any time soon) don't expect anything extraordinary from AA.
CompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5974 times:
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2): Some have speculated that AA would be a good fit for A DFW-HKG flight, connecting 2 OneWorld hubs, but I think AA has a hurdle to overcome with it's pilots union for a flight of this stage length, unless that has been resolved and I missed it.
A bigger hurdle would be consistently filling up the front cabins on a very large aircraft housing a very large amount of real estate dedicated for premium seating. Traffic trends between the South & HKG aren't that strong; ORD would be more logical.
Quoting ordjoe (Reply 6):
Unless AA landed some really huge lucrative corporate or cargo contract to do DFW-HKG I do not see it.
Unless the belly of the aircraft is filled with gold bars being flown from HKG to AA's corporate offices, cargo isn't going to make or break a ULH route.
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5974 times:
Quoting ordjoe (Reply 6): US will not do it unless they buy an A332 now, get off their all airbus policy and buy some 787s or 777s or wait for another 5+ years until they get their A350s. They only have the A333 and it can not make the outbound trip. Even if US finally broke in Asia, I would see NRT or China before HKG.
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6780 posts, RR: 25 Reply 15, posted (11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5869 times:
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11): What makes you think AA is better to operate DFW-HKG than CX ?
I dont know who would be better launching it. If it becomes a reality, I think either can make it work if its a 787 or similarly sized plane.
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 13): A bigger hurdle would be consistently filling up the front cabins on a very large aircraft housing a very large amount of real estate dedicated for premium seating. Traffic trends between the South & HKG aren't that strong
Again, on a 787 thats not going to be a problem at all. A 77W would be much harder. But given that we have two major Oneworld hubs on each end, its not far fetched that it would work on a right sized plane.
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mogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5826 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15): I dont know who would be better launching it. If it becomes a reality, I think either can make it work if its a 787 or similarly sized plane.
787-8 is a bit short on range - 787-9 may be better. A350-900 from CX is promising but no guarantee Airbus would meet their performance goals.
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7348 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5677 times:
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 5): never say never, but if DL couldn't get ATLICN and ATLPVG to work, then odds are against AA
Hong Kong is huge Cathay hub which would feed AA very nicely, Tokyo is too from Singapore & Bangkok. Surely CX can't begrudge AA for wanting a slice of HKG after AA has supported Cathay for 20 years or more in the USA. Since we all know CX has lots of the USA covered DFW would be the obvious place for its gateway to HKG. The history of JAL flights to DFW might turn CX off to there. Qantas is a unique case since Australia is a one of a kind destination, its DFW to Aussie flight is breaking all kinds of records. Hoping it happens...
IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1731 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5608 times:
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11): What makes you think AA is better to operate DFW-HKG than CX ? If DL handed it over to KE, then AA should ask CX to do it too.
Because Delta and Korean have Anti--Trust Immunity. AA and CX do not. That makes a lot of the difference.
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11): Even JL decided to use their 787s to non-OW hubs of BOS and SAN instead of taking a stab at that alleged gold mine that MIA-NRT is hyped up to be.
JAL has received their 787s before AA. And, unlike CX, JL has anti-trust immunity with AA. Therefore, when it all comes down to need and availability, JL went for the low-hanging fruit that the 787 was suited for.
And, yes, without beating around the bush here, JAL is in a stronger fiscal position than AA at the moment to take the risk with a long-thin route. Are you happy? Is that what you wanted to hear? Because you can dismount from your high horse now - we are all universally aware that AA's network is lagging in certain regions of the world aside from Latin America, as you continue to pound this into our heads. I'd like to add that meanwhile UA and DL are simultaneously cutting back on TPAC and TATL capacity later on this year and neither of them are touting record-breaking unit revenue performances in Asia, China, Europe, wherever.
mogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5543 times:
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 18): JAL has received their 787s before AA. And, unlike CX, JL has anti-trust immunity with AA. Therefore, when it all comes down to need and availability, JL went for the low-hanging fruit that the 787 was suited for.
People keep shouting "hub-to-hub" from the top of their lungs and yet no one still dare to touch MIA-NRT. If BOS and SAN is "low-hanging fruit" then what is MIA-NRT ? An even lower hanging fruit but apparently suitable with 77W ?
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 18): And, yes, without beating around the bush here, JAL is in a stronger fiscal position than AA at the moment to take the risk with a long-thin route. Are you happy? Is that what you wanted to hear? Because you can dismount from your high horse now - we are all universally aware that AA's network is lagging in certain regions of the world aside from Latin America, as you continue to pound this into our heads. I'd like to add that meanwhile UA and DL are simultaneously cutting back on TPAC and TATL capacity later on this year and neither of them are touting record-breaking unit revenue performances in Asia, China, Europe, wherever.
Are you here to harass and act like a 9 year old bully from middle school trying to blindly defend your employer or you're here to make a point ??
CERTAIN regions ??? AA is lacking in ALL regions of the world outside the Americas.
IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1731 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5392 times:
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 19): People keep shouting "hub-to-hub" from the top of their lungs and yet no one still dare to touch MIA-NRT. If BOS and SAN is "low-hanging fruit" then what is MIA-NRT ? An even lower hanging fruit but apparently suitable with 77W ?
Decisions are rolled out based on data and modeling that only the regional planning team of an airline has access to. I am sure there were compelling, logical reasons why BOS/SAN-NRT were introduced before MIA.
I'll put more stock into their intelligence any day over yours, thank you very much.
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 19): CERTAIN regions ??? AA is lacking in ALL regions of the world outside the Americas.
Show me proof that the airlines in said regions are "winning" in terms other than market share presence, aka demonstrating profitability? I'd really like to know given data points such as DL suspending DTWHKG, JFKPRG, JFKATH, ATLMXP, ATLBCN, ATLACC, ATLRIA, ATLPVG, MEMAMS, etc and UA pulling out of IADACC, IAHAKL, EWRCPH, etc.
I'm pretty sure that covers every single "region" outside of the Americas where AA is "lacking."
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 19): Are you here to harass and act like a 9 year old bully from middle school trying to blindly defend your employer or you're here to make a point ??
Definition of kettle calling the pot black.
I have no allegiance to AA whatsoever and if you think that I am employed by them, dream on. I even candidly admitted that AA is in too weak of a financial position to embrace higher-risk ventures in the long-haul realm. But rather than do so in defense of AA, I am posting here to provide some objective, factual insight which wildly contrasts your habitual pattern of spewing information you know next to nothing about. It's time you realize there is a difference.
slvrblt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5189 times:
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Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 18): And, yes, without beating around the bush here, JAL is in a stronger fiscal position than AA at the moment to take the risk with a long-thin route. Are you happy? Is that what you wanted to hear? Because you can dismount from your high horse now - we are all universally aware that AA's network is lagging in certain regions of the world aside from Latin America, as you continue to pound this into our heads. I'd like to add that meanwhile UA and DL are simultaneously cutting back on TPAC and TATL capacity later on this year and neither of them are touting record-breaking unit revenue performances in Asia, China, Europe, wherever.
Pretty accurate, and well said.
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 19): Are you here to harass and act like a 9 year old bully from middle school trying to blindly defend your employer or you're here to make a point ??
CERTAIN regions ??? AA is lacking in ALL regions of the world outside the Americas.
Tsk. What's the matter with you?? You don't like it when someone bluntly calls you out, do you, my friend Mogando. I've said this before on here and will do so again. It can be accurately stated, I think, that your inaccurate bleating of anti-AA information is frequently wrong; or...shall I be charitable?.....consistently full of half truths. Anyone can be a hater. That's your right. And, AA has issues, I'll be the first one to acknowledge that too. I know of no company that doesn't, and some are much better at keeping their dirty laundries in-house.
these silly tirades and anti-AA crusading is tiresome. We know how you feel; but seriously, get over yourself.
Because Delta and Korean have Anti--Trust Immunity. AA and CX do not. That makes a lot of the difference.
This point is right on. CX doesn't seem play well with others - even alliance partners. In the end, its their right to do so as they have run their own business- but it does mean that DL-KE can do things CX-AA (or even QF-AA) can't....
The plural form of aircraft is * aircraft *
25 seatback: With the AA pilot agreement going for a vote at the APA, I wonder if this issue will be resolved. Is this issue even part of the proposal?
26 flyguy89: I could see it happening from DFW eventually. CX has it well covered at LAX, ORD, and JFK, but once AA gets it's pilot contracts sorted out and it's
27 DFWEagle: Yes, this was one of the most important issues for management and is certainly resolved in the TA that is going out to vote. The new proposed limit i
28 RWA380: Brand recognition on the Dallas end, and the CX presence on the HKG side could be a good fit. 1 stop service from Dallas to all of SE Asia, China, In
29 mogandoCI: Says the AA employees who blindly defends his employer without any critical thought - I was comparing AA to DL/UA and you use the bottom feeder known
30 flyguy89: I don't work for AA, sorry to shatter your illusion.
31 ripcordd: Flyguy I was on the end of one of those pm's from him. Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 19): Are you here to harass and act like a 9 year old bully from middl
32 IrishAyes: Yup, and this has worked immensely well in QF's favor since launching DFW. CX is a very well-managed airline. I think the challenge, however, would b
33 ripcordd: Irish I did send his pm to the admins here I suggest you do the same if you have not already.
34 mogandoCI: Either you're lying on the forum on lying in the profile description, which says "station agent for AE"
35 flyguy89: I moved on to another position about a year ago and have simply yet to update my profile, not that my employment history is really any of your concer
36 IrishAyes: Thanks, I may just do that. I also have solace in the fact that he/she has been put in his/her place several times. ^ This is getting pathetically sa
37 slvrblt: Why am I not surprised......... Wow. And wow, again. Yep, you have issues, kid. More than I had surmised even.
38 spiritair97: I feel for you guys and I noticed that on his/her profile, some of the stuff there isn't much better than what he/she says is on yours. It doesn't se
39 jumpjets: This is all getting very futile - I suggest a wingers and moaners thread is open where people can spill blood to their hearts content about whether Bo
40 strfyr51: There's NOTHING to stop them to flying to HKG right now. all they need is the desire to do it
41 IrishAyes: I understand where you're coming from - the issue is that there are repeat culprits on here that post out of spite and distaste - and do it deliberat
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