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BA - BMI Domestic T1 And T5  
User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 206 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12699 times:

Since the integration of BMI to BA I have flow from both T1 and T5 and as I am sure most of you will be aware T5 is a far superior experience.

Is it likely that BA will retain any domestic ops in T1 impacting on connections or will all domestic be transfered to T5?

With the introduction of a new route to Leeds what kind of impact will this have on an already full T5 are we likely to see Euro flights or Long haul moved to other terminals?

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User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12671 times:

The latest terminal moves have just been confirmed:

http://press.ba.com/?p=2343

A number of existing British Airways routes including Basel, Dusseldorf, Luxembourg, Lyon and Toulouse will move from Terminal 5 to Terminal 1 on October 28.

All flights to Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Manchester will operate from Terminal 5 from the winter season.

Belfast is to stay in Terminal 1 and Leeds Bradford is reported to be staying in Terminal 1.

[Edited 2012-06-27 04:50:54]

User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12586 times:

Perfect timining.

Thats good that domestic will be retained in T5

Does anybody know what BMI load factors from MAN to LHR have been like will there be an upgauge are we more likely to see a number of 321's or will they pile us in to 319's and 20's


User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2180 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 12366 times:

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 1):
Belfast is to stay in Terminal 1 and Leeds Bradford is reported to be staying in Terminal 1.

I take it DUB will stay in T1 aswell then?


User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 12282 times:

I doubt they would put Leeds Bradford into T1 that will surely be counter productive!

User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7693 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 12244 times:

Quoting liverpoola380 (Thread starter):
Is it likely that BA will retain any domestic ops in T1 impacting on connections or will all domestic be transfered to T5?

It is likely that some domestic BA operations will remain at T1 at least until T2 is completed. This is because the facilities for domestic arrivals and departures and those to and from the CTA (Common Travel Area - Republic of Ireland and the Channel Islands) are different to those used for international arrivals and departures. As far as I know T5 does not have sufficient facilities to handle all the new BA domestic and CTA flights and T1 would be more than half empty with no domestic / CTA flights and far from full if EI was the only operator of domestric and CTA flights there

If this situation will change when or after T2 is completed I do not know.

To illustrate the above according to the table on page 3 of the " LHR S12 Start of Season" report here:

http://www.acl-uk.org/reportsStatistics.aspx?id=98&subjectId=33

T! has the capacity to handle up to 1,500 domestic and 930 CTA but only 1,600 international passengers an hour. I very much doubt BAA would be prepared to see T1 domestic and CTA flights reduced to those only operated by EI any time soon.


User currently onlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12105 times:

Quite some exicting news from BA with the addition of Leeds and Zagreb... And there might be more to come.

From what I see, they are starting to conolidate domestic services which is good. The question is, are they already releasing the slots that are needed by the competition to start routes to Scotland?

I am also suprised they are keeping Agadir al LHR but moving RAK to LGW...

Other than that, it seems that BA is counter attackiing easyJet on routes to NCE and BCN? What about other routes to Spain? And what about TUN and ALG. They do deserve a LHR connection IMHO.

The next months are going to be exciting. I am looking forward to see what's going to happen to all ex BMED routes.



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User currently offlinemadhatter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12038 times:

Has it been confirmed that Marrakech is moving from LHR to LGW (it would explain why Gatwick is going from 3w to daily).

Also it seems a bit weird to move Agadir to T5 but to have Casablanca remaining at T1.

Is there any announcements re the current dual terminal flights (Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Manchester, Nice). Will they remain in T1 and T5 or all move to T5 in their entirety?


User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12003 times:

Quoting madhatter (Reply 7):

As above Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Manchester will all operate from Terminal 5 next season.

You can check each destination here:

http://www.britishairways.com/travel...nter-flights-schedule/public/en_gb


User currently onlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11990 times:

Edinburgh is getting some 767s... Yaaay... Time to head to Edinurgh then!!!


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User currently onlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11910 times:

You should may be change the tiopic name to BA/BMI Integration: next step!


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User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11895 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 9):
Edinburgh is getting some 767s... Yaaay... Time to head to Edinurgh then!!!

I think they are more likely to be utilising the 7 A321's coming across from BD


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11896 times:

What stands at T5 have access to UK Arrivals? Is it 501-506 only? Also skytrax is full of moans about passengers arriving on these stands and being bussed to International Arrivals, I thought they were multi use and passengers could be streamed to the required arrivals route and still remain sterile. ( in the security sense, not eugenics!)

User currently onlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11877 times:

Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 11):
I think they are more likely to be utilising the 7 A321's coming across from BD

That's what is mentioned on ba.com

"From 28 October 2012 all flights to Edinburgh will operate from Heathrow Terminal 5. There will be up to 12 flights per day, and larger Boeing 767 aircraft will be used on selected services.
Your flight number may also be changing, in which case you will be contacted soon with more information."



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User currently offlineaidoair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11851 times:

Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 4):
I doubt they would put Leeds Bradford into T1 that will surely be counter productive!

It is currently showing in the booking system as operating to/from LHR T1.

From what I have seen so far the majority if not all BA flights from T1 from the 28th October will operate on A319. I guess this standardises the operation from this terminal and thus the freed up larger A320/1's move over to ex-A319 routes over at T5.


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11834 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 13):
There will be up to 12 flights per day, and larger Boeing 767 aircraft will be used on selected services.

That's worth a 'wow'

767 on UK domestic...who'd have thought !



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User currently offlineTCX69K From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11813 times:
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I think they are more likely to be utilising the 7 A321's coming across from BD

The bmi A321's are in the process of having flatbeds put on so they will be used predominantly or exclusively on midhaul routes only.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3028 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11801 times:
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Quoting aidoair (Reply 14):
It is currently showing in the booking system as operating to/from LHR T1.

From what I have seen so far the majority if not all BA flights from T1 from the 28th October will operate on A319. I guess this standardises the operation from this terminal and thus the freed up larger A320/1's move over to ex-A319 routes over at T5.

I suspect the reason for the ex bmi 319s remaining within T1 is that they a bulk loading rather than containerised machines making T5 operations a headache.


User currently onlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11801 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 15):
That's worth a 'wow'

767 on UK domestic...who'd have thought !

I hope one of the morning flights will get it so that you'll enjoy the 767s and the full English Breakfast  



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User currently onlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11716 times:

Why has it gone so quiet on who will be getting the relinquished slots?

User currently onlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11683 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 5):
T1 has the capacity to handle up to 1,500 domestic and 930 CTA but only 1,600 international passengers an hour. I very much doubt BAA would be prepared to see T1 domestic and CTA flights reduced to those only operated by EI any time soon.

Am I missing something here? I've just done a rough capacity check by counting passenger seats offered per day on flights departing from Terminal 1. The result is: 8,800 domestic/CTA and 22,000 international. The above post implies that both numbers should be approximately equal.



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3028 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11661 times:
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Quoting fcogafa (Reply 19):

Why has it gone so quiet on who will be getting the relinquished slots?

Because the terms and framework of the bidding process hasn't been formalised.

And how many competitors have actually expressed an interest in
LHR-DME
LHR-NCE
LHR-EDI
LHR-ABZ
LHR-CAI

None formally and only waffle from VS and perhaps something from the new owners of bmiRegional

This may be something for the autumn timeframe with 2013


User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11637 times:

Quoting TCX69K (Reply 16):
The bmi A321's are in the process of having flatbeds put on so they will be used predominantly or exclusively on midhaul routes only.

I didnt know this was going to happen are they similar to the 318 beds ?


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3028 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11630 times:
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Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 22):
Quoting TCX69K (Reply 16):
The bmi A321's are in the process of having flatbeds put on so they will be used predominantly or exclusively on midhaul routes only.

I didnt know this was going to happen are they similar to the 318 beds ?

No they are Swiss design i believe and are at Donnington in a shed.


User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11616 times:
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Quoting mikey72 (Reply 15):
767 on UK domestic...who'd have thought !

- Since bmi dropped GLA, BA have been using 767's on selected services, so nothing new here.



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25 Pe@rson : I have been meaning to return to EDI. Does anyone yet know when the 763 will operate on the route?
26 bwaflyer : Yup - Swiss business seats (23 x Thompson Aero). First aircraft (G-MEDU) is in the hangar and will start operations on 14th July. All new slim line e
27 sq_ek_freak : Any chance we can get pictures of the seat designs posted? For the Biz seats, I don't believe I've seen any of that model fitted on a narrow body! Wi
28 skipness1E : They were pulled from the summer schedule as they are pushed through a cabin refresh as they are really looking tired inside. Why are some BMI A319s
29 rutankrd : Perhaps bmi didn't see think the additional cost of equipment and weight of containerisation was worth it on their network. The general split of A32x
30 ScottishLaddie : Rumoured to be 2 flights a day, don't know specifics beyond that yet though.
31 Tristarsteve : About two a day to EDI and GLA, including nightstops at both. The same flight number will change from A319 to A320 to A321 on a daily basis. Not surp
32 BritishB747 : Got this when I was on a morning flight from Glasgow back in January. Altered my plans to fly from Glasgow rather that Edinburgh just to go on a B767
33 raffik : The A321s J cabin will be configured 1 -2 rather than 2-2
34 FlyingHollander : What's BA's plan for the coming years concerning terminal use, as BA's ops are only likely to grow? One thing that's nice about T5 is that it is a ded
35 Post contains links VV701 : Seat Guru at: http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/BMI/BMI_Airbus_A321_B.php says that of the seven BD 321s , four had IFE systems in the seat back "not a
36 raffik : All of the new A321s will be fitted with AVOD Thales system. I flew to Beirut with GMEDJ and that had inseat monitors but not AVOD. Does anyone know i
37 steve6666 : By 2015, BA will have exclusive use of Terminals 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. All other airlines except American, Iberia and Qantas will move to a new terminal,
38 LH121GLA : Not really a new concept. 767 used to operate both routes 15-20 years ago as well as GLA more recently.
39 Tristarsteve : Not announced yet, but extremely unlikely. Beirut will be operated by the ex BMI A321s, which will also operate TLV and CAI, so I would expect them t
40 eljonno : Wow! Can't wait to see that!! Would make immigration queues at the South Terminal very unpleasant indeed, I should imagine.... Theoretically though,
41 bwaflyer : G-MEDF/G/H/J Rockwell Collins 8 channel video based PTV in business, overhead flip down screens in economy G-MEDK/L Thales AVOD PTVs in business, loo
42 CaptainDoony : BA actually pulled the 763 off the GLA run not too long after introduction. Just as a quick question - could BA put a 763 on the likes of MAN/ABZ on a
43 VV701 : Many thanks.
44 BritMidFokker : IIRC BA 767's did used to fly LHR-MAN in the mid 90's. Not sure if they were simply positioning aircraft between long haul flights ex MAN (we had at
45 djb77 : ABZ has seen BA 763s in the past on the LHR run. Not often but it has happened. I flew one once, back in 1998 - first morning flight out to LHR, it ha
46 adg737800 : BA did use 767s in the mid 1990s between LHR and MAN on a mid morning round trip. I flew a few times on them and they were almost always full. The cre
47 Thijs1984 : I expect the flights to RTM to be announced shortly. Slots (and flight schedule) have been allocated at Rotterdam - The Hague Airport previous week.
48 AIR MALTA : That's a lot of capacity for RTM...
49 Sydscott : I would have a thought a terminal 5D would be in order either way?
50 Post contains images Thijs1984 : True, but i still expect decent load factors on this route. The Rotterdam / the Hague area is the most densly populated part of the Netherlands. And
51 jumpjets : There is a press release on the BA website explaining the changes in frequencies/terminals etc - and interestingly it says more changes will be announ
52 Post contains images AIR MALTA : I don't think we will see new longhaul destinations before Summer 2013 because they need a lot planning ahead. Anyway, I was hoping for more African
53 mikey72 : 15-20 years is an eternity in this game and GLA is recent. Maybe I should have said....'who'd have thought they'd be back' Better ?
54 mikey72 : Just out of interest I wonder how the margins compare on BA's 767 to GLA compared to FR's 737 to Prestwick ?
55 TCX69K : BA already fly to LUN 3x Weekly on B767..
56 skipness1E : FR dropped STN-PIK so hopefully better!
57 Post contains images mikey72 : LOL Well you know what I mean !! Does BA get more bang for their buck on 767 UK domestic than FR on a similar route with the 737 ? That would be anot
58 AIR MALTA : In the meantime, BRU is going 7 daily with an additional flight: BA0398 LHR BRU 15:25 17:35 BA0403 BRU LHR 19:05 19:15 That rotation is 15 min after B
59 goosebayguy : Time to build a new pier at T5!
60 fcogafa : What next? BAW to Teeside? EMA? Birmingham? All old BMA routes!
61 AIR MALTA : I think what is really missing is a link to Jersey and may be a one daily flight on Inverness.
62 Humberside : Airline Route has LHR-RAK remaining, but reduced from 5xWeek to 3xWeek operating Thu, Sat, Sun. So useful for weekend breaks, and some connections Ag
63 AIR MALTA : The RAK flights do not operate from LHR. Actually all ex BMI 8xxx flight numbers will all disappear at the start of the winter schedule. BA have updat
64 skipness1E : There is a fair amount of weekend charter flying from T5, lots of BAW91** to Europe.
65 jumpjets : Indeed there is - The BA source has been listing 6 charters on a saturday - mainly A320s to mediterranean islands
66 VV701 : They are all 320 operations and have operated every Saturday since the dates listed below:: LHR-CAG-LHR (BA9216C/17C) started 19 May LHR-OLB-LHR (BA9
67 vasu : Which tour operators are these for?
68 VV701 : BA9216C/17C to CAG and BA9218C/19C to OLB are operated for Sardatur Holidays. The last flight this summer to CAG is on 6 October and to ~OLB a week e
69 edina : At least a couple of the LHR ones are chartered by Mark Warner.
70 VV701 : Thanks. Looked at the Mark Warner web site. They certainly have IT holidays in Bastia, Bodrum, Sardinia and Rhodes that all include BA flights from T
71 AIR MALTA : I took a look at the consolidated EDI LHR flights and the schedules do not look that impressive. The red eye has disappeared. First departure at 07:35
72 VV701 : I think things are much brighter if we look at the wider picture. How many passengers need to fly from EDI to arrive at LHR before 09.05, the arrival
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