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New Control Tower For SFO  
User currently offlineSFOA380 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 174 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5016 times:

Just ran across this at sfgate.com



Construction kicks off Thursday, The new tower will be located between T1 and T2. Ful article is here:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/place/...-have-a-torch-like-air-3664702.php

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User currently offlinemodesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2791 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4817 times:

I was waiting to hear news about the new control tower. Looking forward to this new addition to the SFO skyline!

User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4780 times:
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That's a very interesting design. It looks so much more imaginitive than the basic cookie-cutter design control towers
seen at most U.S. airports. Torch design, I wonder if the Olympic torch was an inspiration?

[Edited 2012-06-27 09:24:23]


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25058 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4780 times:

Kinda old news - A new tower was part of the larger T-2 redesign project.

Was covered here with planned designs
SFO Terminal 2 Occupants (by Mcmax Dec 30 2009 in Civil Aviation)#menu27

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User currently offlineSFOA380 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

The design is what is newsworthy, not the news of a new tower.

User currently offlineanonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 618 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 4):

The design is what is newsworthy, not the news of a new tower.

This is also pretty newsworthy: "At the same time, the compact dimensions required that the lower neck of the tower be as narrow as possible, since room was needed for a pair of corridors between Terminals 1 and 2, one for general visitors and one for passengers who already had passed through security."

Looking at the second rendering, though, the corridor has such an afterthought-like look to it. You'd think they could've made it more integrated into T2's redevelopment.



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User currently offlineN126DL From United States of America, joined May 2010, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4401 times:
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How old is this rendering? Notice the old DL widget livery on the planes?


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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4292 times:

Quoting N126DL (Reply 6):
How old is this rendering? Notice the old DL widget livery on the planes?

This a new design. I spoke with some of the construction companies personnel the other day as they moved into the 4th floor. It's design was finished 6 months ago according to one of them.

I highly doubt the a/c in the background really matter. That's not the focus of attention.

On a side note. Those of you locally coming through SFO can see the artist renderings of the E concourse just outside the closed TSA screening area. Looks beautiful and as an added note, nothing like T2.



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

I sure as heck hope this cool looking new tower improves SFO's ATC and reduces delays. SFO has been making a run in the delay derby with CLT, BOS, EWR and LGA.


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User currently offlineanonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 618 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 7):
On a side note. Those of you locally coming through SFO can see the artist renderings of the E concourse just outside the closed TSA screening area. Looks beautiful and as an added note, nothing like T2.

Is it anything like this PDF? http://www.sfgov3.org/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=1720



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

Quoting anonms (Reply 9):

Thanks for posting the link.

However the artist renderings are nice and more details then this.

[Edited 2012-06-27 17:51:03]


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8229 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

How old is the current tower? Doesn't seem a new one is neccessary- not like they're adding concrete that requires new sight lines.


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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 11):

It is not really the age but the current tower was not built to survive a substantial earthquake. The new tower will be built to survive up to an 8.0.



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User currently offlineN782NC From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 11):

As far as I know, the current tower is about 30 years old, built around the same time T2 was turned into the Intl. terminal in 1984. They're replacing it because a FAA report said that the tower would not be able to survive a large earthquake.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8229 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 12):
It is not really the age but the current tower was not built to survive a substantial earthquake. The new tower will be built to survive up to an 8.0.

Ah, that makes more sense. 8.0 is kinda low-balling it, though, isn't it? What was Chile, 8.8? It's not like bigger isn't possible/probable.



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User currently offlineaviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Finally, a tower with some architectural pizazz here in the US.

No surprise to find it at SFO, one of the few American airports that bothers to distinguish itself.

Over at LGA, on the other hand, we recently lost one of the country's most distinctive towers. Frequent flyers remember this building well -- hourglass-shaped and of modest height, bejeweled with a top-to-bottom series of portholes. It was an odd, playful structure.

The new LGA tower is what you might call the FAA Standard Model A1 -- a control tower that looks like every other American control tower put up over the past 20 or 30 years. I think they come prefab in a great big packing crate.

The old one may not have been state-of-the-art, but it was a welcoming, almost mischievous visual flourish in an otherwise joyless vista of seawater and concrete. It lent a friendly touch to an airport that, in most respects, is anything but friendly. It was, almost literally, an exclamation point. It said: LaGuardia!

Airports, like the planes that serve them, have become painfully generic. Functionality aside, part of any major airport building’s job is to create a sense of identity, inside and out – the kind of place that, when you glimpse it TV or in a movie, even for just a second, you know * exactly * where it is.

A dwindling number of airport facilities are distinctive in this way. The spidery "Theme Building" at LAX is the most enduring. The main terminal at Denver is another, as is the one at Washington-Dulles (Eero Saarinen).

And, we shan’t forget my sentimental favorite, the twin-stanchion control tower at Boston-Logan.

If only its 16th floor observation deck were still intact.


- PS

[Edited 2012-06-27 19:25:52]


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User currently offlineN782NC From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 14):

The main reason is that they're different types of faults. In Chile, the Nazca plate is subducted beneath the South American plate. In California, the Pacific and North American plates rub up against and slip past each other. Subduction zones can create far more powerful earthquakes than faults like the San Andreas/Hayward faults are capable of. I might be wrong, but I believe the largest earthquake that the San Andreas can create is around 8.0-8.5.

[Edited 2012-06-27 19:27:51]


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User currently offlinemexicana767 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

On a quick side note...does anyone have the link to the renderings or the proposals for the redevelopment of T1? They where posted a while ago and i havent been able to find the link.

Thanks!
Mexicana767



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User currently offlineN782NC From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

Quoting mexicana767 (Reply 17):

Here are some of the general plans released by SFO.

This is from 2009
http://aci-na.org/static/entransit/Fantoni.pdf
pgs 32-50

updated version from 2011
SFO.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.wtsinternational.org/assets/84/22/WTS_022311_SFO.pdf
pgs 19-36



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4499 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

Quoting aviateur (Reply 15):

The old one may not have been state-of-the-art, but it was a welcoming, almost mischievous visual flourish in an otherwise joyless vista of seawater and concrete. It lent a friendly touch to an airport that, in most respects, is anything but friendly. It was, almost literally, an exclamation point. It said: LaGuardia!

  
The old LGA tower was terrific. How difficult or expensive would it be to give control towers a little more flair? They're a distinctive, stand-out part of an airport and should look like it. Good for SFO.

Jim



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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 8):
I sure as heck hope this cool looking new tower improves SFO's ATC and reduces delays. SFO has been making a run in the delay derby with CLT, BOS, EWR and LGA.

That would be nice, but unfortunately, the new tower doesn't solve the issue of runway spacing. The only way that's ever getting fixed is if the FAA grants a waiver to the visual rules or the bay gets filled and another runway installed (which is politically impossible). SFO's really stuck between a rock and a hard place in that regard...



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User currently offlineshengzhurou From China, joined May 2010, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

Does anyone here have info for future terminal 1 after the renovation of the E concourse at T3 and the new build tower? SFO is been packed with airplanes on ground lately with specially with UA airplanes.


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User currently offlinemnik101 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Quoting N782NC (Reply 18):

So what is the latest news on the T1 plans? Are they going to build it? If


User currently offlineN782NC From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Quoting mnik101 (Reply 22):

As of now, yes. The plan is for Terminal 1 to be redeveloped after work on E and the new tower are completed.

For some reason the last link I posted didn't work properly. Here's their updated plans from last year. The T1 project starts on page 20.

http://www.wtsinternational.org/assets/84/22/WTS_022311_SFO.pdf



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User currently offlinephlwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

Quoting N782NC (Reply 16):
The main reason is that they're different types of faults. In Chile, the Nazca plate is subducted beneath the South American plate. In California, the Pacific and North American plates rub up against and slip past each other. Subduction zones can create far more powerful earthquakes than faults like the San Andreas/Hayward faults are capable of. I might be wrong, but I believe the largest earthquake that the San Andreas can create is around 8.0-8.5.

This is correct - low 8's is about the strongest the San Andreas is expected to generate. Not that anything like that wouldn't be a massive disaster, but it's still not as bad as a 9. The last three major quakes the San Andreas generated were the Fort Tejon quake of 1857 at 7.9, the infamous 1906 San Francisco quake at 7.8, and the Loma Prieta quake of 1989 at 6.9. And SFO needs to be very concerned about that fault - it's within three miles of it along I-280 and San Andreas Lake (see http://www.thulescientific.com/san-andreas-fault-map.html)


User currently offlinesjc4me From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 8):
I sure as heck hope this cool looking new tower improves SFO's ATC and reduces delays.

Because the old tower had a fog generating machine?



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