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DL 744 Mods- 50% Complete  
User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1097 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8616 times:

The 8th completed 744 interior mod has been completed and is now back in service, departing SIN for NRT, then ATL.

Ship N668US, now back in service, will be replaced by N667US, which should enter modification on 6/28 after completion of it's last flight from NRT to SIN. This should leave 2 aircraft in mods, N667US & N674US.

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User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 599 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8397 times:

Rumor amongst crews continue that the 77L will be replaced by the 744 on LAX-SYD. It appears that sufficient numbers of mod-complete aircraft exist to insure there would be no substitution of a non-modified A/C due to a tech issue which was a concern in this market. The increased capacity for passengers and freight, and the modified cabin for J, Y+ and Y make this a very competitive aircraft against QF and VA.
Is this just an on-going crew story.....I heard this last year when I flew to SYD, and again on a recent transcon with LAX crew.....or is there serious consideration to put the 747 on the SYD run?
The additional capacity might be welcome for the peak summer season Down Under this year and generate additional revenue with each flight. The folks in L.A. really want it!
Thomas



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User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8369 times:

Will DL follow AA and change their 744s to 3-5-3? heh...

User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1097 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8276 times:

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 2):
Will DL follow AA and change their 744s to 3-5-3? heh...


Hopefully not that stupid.

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):
The additional capacity might be welcome for the peak summer season Down Under this year and generate additional revenue with each flight. The folks in L.A. really want it!

Bring it on! Just keep our SFO-LAX connex intact.


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8269 times:

AA doesn't have 744's. DL 744 are 3-4-3, and 2-4-2 in the last few rows.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6942 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8247 times:

Are the mod planes flying the LAX-NRT route? looks like that's going to be my route this summer


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8190 times:

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 2):
Will DL follow AA and change their 744s to 3-5-3? heh...

I don't think anyone operates 747s in a 3-5-3 layout. The seats on the 747 in the standard 3-4-3 layout are 17.2 inches wide, so 3-5-3 would have to have VERY narrow seats.



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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1097 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8179 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 4):
AA doesn't have 744's. DL 744 are 3-4-3, and 2-4-2 in the last few rows.

I think that He was referring to AA's 77W with 10 across, and making the 744 11 across.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1828 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8166 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Are the mod planes flying the LAX-NRT route?

Currently that route is a 77L.


User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8167 times:

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):
very competitive aircraft against QF and VA.

DL doesn't compete with VA on the route.


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8051 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Are the mod planes flying the LAX-NRT route?

Nope... this summer they are scheduled for NRT-ATL, NRT-JFK, and JFK-TLV. Also sporadically on NRT-MNL, NRT-TPE, NRT-HNL, and KIX-HNL.


User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1411 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7827 times:

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):
Rumor amongst crews continue that the 77L will be replaced by the 744 on LAX-SYD.

DL still flying LAX-SYD???
I thought they were incapable, uncompetitive and incompetent a few years back to make this route last?   



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18684 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7806 times:

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):
The increased capacity for passengers and freight, and the modified cabin for J, Y+ and Y make this a very competitive aircraft against QF and VA.

I thought there was no AVOD/PTV in the DL 744 Y cabin. On a flight that long, passengers care.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5062 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7758 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
I thought there was no AVOD/PTV in the DL 744 Y cabin. On a flight that long, passengers care.

There is...that's the purpose for this thread - 50% of them are modded.



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User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7710 times:
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Is N674US back in service?

User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7386 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7548 times:
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Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):
Rumor amongst crews continue that the 77L will be replaced by the 744 on LAX-SYD. It appears that sufficient numbers of mod-complete aircraft exist to insure there would be no substitution of a non-modified A/C due to a tech issue which was a concern in this market. The increased capacity for passengers and freight, and the modified cabin for J, Y+ and Y make this a very competitive aircraft against QF and VA.
Is this just an on-going crew story.....I heard this last year when I flew to SYD, and again on a recent transcon with LAX crew.....or is there serious consideration to put the 747 on the SYD run?
The additional capacity might be welcome for the peak summer season Down Under this year and generate additional revenue with each flight. The folks in L.A. really want it!
Thomas

That's been the rumour ever since the route started, but we have open seats going to and from LAX-SYD, even on heavy peak travel periods, that non-revs are getting BE upgrades frequently. I highly doubt it'll go to -400 anytime soon. The loads, nor the freight justify it.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):
The increased capacity for passengers and freight, and the modified cabin for J, Y+ and Y make this a very competitive aircraft against QF and VA.

I thought there was no AVOD/PTV in the DL 744 Y cabin. On a flight that long, passengers care.

As long as it is configured with the Weber 5751 seats, complete with the Panasonic eX2 ife and the Eco9i integrated smart-monitors, life will be good

[Edited 2012-06-27 16:46:21]


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User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2160 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7487 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
I thought there was no AVOD/PTV in the DL 744 Y cabin. On a flight that long, passengers care

Check out the following videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlxLOKOv7Vg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-iHSl_Mkbw


User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7455 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 15):
As long as it is configured with the Weber 5751 seats, complete with the Panasonic eX2 ife and the Eco9i integrated smart-monitors, life will be good

I think you forgot the Heath Tecna NuLook pivot bins.  


User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2160 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7451 times:

Quoting N801NW (Reply 17):
I think you forgot the Heath Tecna NuLook pivot bins.

He didn't forget about them, they aren't on the modded 747-400s, just on the refurbished 767-300ERs.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7362 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 18):
He didn't forget about them, they aren't on the modded 747-400s, just on the refurbished 767-300ERs.

Heath Tecna doesn't even offer a pivot bin package for the 744 main cabin, only for the upper deck and nose area. For the 744 main cabin, they offer a modernized shelf bin package. I wish DL could have at least went with that for their 744s to give the cabin a more modern appearance, even though the 744s already have decent sized overhead bins (at least compared to the factory 763ER bins).



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5486 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 15):
The loads, nor the freight justify it.

Not sure about the loads, but Delta has had to send an extra flight just to pick up cargo.



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User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5263 times:

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 20):

Not sure about the loads, but Delta has had to send an extra flight just to pick up cargo.

Loads have been strong as well this summer (even with the poor winter weather in Oz).
I know of at least two separate people traveling to Sydney that had to transferred to VA because DL had oversold the flight.
I assume the JV with VA not only improves passenger numbers but also provides for more revenue management opportunities (ie overselling) because they have the additional flight as protection. And Im sure the same goes for VA.

I have no idea what the likelihood of seeing the 744 take over the LAX-SYD route is, but it wouldn't surprise me at all. These decisions are rarely made in a bubble. DL could decide they want the extra capacity, VA could opt to drop or re-time their flight in deference to a DL capacity increase, DL could just be looking to move the 77L fleet out of LA - they already have 744 ops there and go decide they could get better utilization and rotations using 744s instead of the 77Ls.


User currently offlineBDL757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5036 times:

I had also heard speculation of ATL-GRU going to the 744 but they couldn't commit to it because of a hold up with the 747 mods. This was back in Feb or Mar so who knows if they still plan on upgrading now that there are more modded 74s on the line.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4962 times:

Quoting BDL757 (Reply 22):
I had also heard speculation of ATL-GRU going to the 744 but they couldn't commit to it because of a hold up with the 747 mods. This was back in Feb or Mar so who knows if they still plan on upgrading now that there are more modded 74s on the line.

That's another one that's been long rumored. What is "peak season" for travel to Brazil?



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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4858 times:
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Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 23):
That's another one that's been long rumored. What is "peak season" for travel to Brazil?

Dec/Jan/Feb and July. ATL-GRU is probably less likely for the 744, now that DL has DTW-GRU daily, as well as JFK-GRU on a 764....


25 winGl3t : DL expect to use 747 on the ATL-GRU flight from Summer 13 IATA Season.
26 Transpac787 : Delta *did* apply to operate ATL-GRU on the 744. They applied for 7 weekly slots in the 777/744 weight class, but it was denied by the Brazilian gove
27 DocLightning : Ah. I thought I'd heard that DL wasn't planning on installing this in Y. Apparently I was wrong. Now they DO have a competitive long-haul Y product.
28 drerx7 : Yea...I don't know what UA is smoking...
29 FlyASAGuy2005 : Thanks for the info and totally forgot about DTW-GRU (which has done well since it's start) so all the traffic does not have to flow south through AT
30 Post contains images peanuts : .................... Wifi
31 FlyASAGuy2005 : damn..thanks I didn't even realize I cut myself off. It wasn't intentional!!! Should have read and [WiFi along with Economy Comfort].
32 KDAYflyer : What is the status of N676NW for modification? Being only 10 years old I would think it is a good candidate to recieve the mods.
33 peanuts : Lol. I thought you needed some kind of drum roll...
34 FlyASAGuy2005 : So to recap, what are the 8 ships that have completed mods? Much easier for me using the fleet number but if you don't have that that's okay.
35 timf : They have generally been going in order from oldest to newest. A few were done out of sequence, but as of right now the remaining aircraft that have
36 panamair : Completed: Ship 6301 - N661US Ship 6302 - N662US Ship 6303 - N663US Ship 6304 - N664US Ship 6305 - N665US Ship 6306 - N666US Ship 6308 - N668US Ship
37 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : at some point it will get approved by Brazil. Still can't believe Brazil turned them down. They still wanted daily 744 flights to GRU from here. ATL-
38 FlyASAGuy2005 : Thanks!! Coming along swimmingly I see.
39 seabosdca : What are the hours looking like on the early-build aircraft? Do they have enough left in the tank to fly through 2017-2018? Similar vintage aircraft o
40 lucky777 : The only thing the -400 provides is additional passenger capacity. The 77L has the same number of positions underneath and actually has more cubic fe
41 mayor : I doubt if there's any pax carrier that fills up a bulk bin (on ANY widebody) to the brim..........live animals, yes......last minute bags, yes......
42 olddominion727 : DL most certainly competes with VA on this route. I have flown them both. They are both a very nice ride. I think as nice as QF and better than UA (a
43 Transpac787 : Depending on how you choose to define it. 744 CASM is less than 77L, but trip cost is higher. If you can fill the seats with high yield fares, the 74
44 Post contains images jetjack74 : NRT-TPE earlier this month, 6304
45 DeltaL1011man : They are basically the same airline. If you fly VA it will help Delta and if you fly Delta it will help Virgin.
46 Post contains images peanuts : As a former NW customer I can appreciate what DL has done to this NW Asian Workhorse. This bird has come full circle and I'm glad DL sees some opportu
47 FlyASAGuy2005 : Right with the cargo but as far as the J and Y cabin, I think he was saying that DL would have been at a disadvantage against QF deploying the 744 in
48 lucky777 : Absolutely...i've personally flown on the newly reconfigured -400's in BE and was quite impressed. Coach looks pretty nice as well, and with the fort
49 DocLightning : Whut? Are you sure? 77L has similar economics to 772. Only very slightly higher fuel costs per trip.
50 CV880 : [quote=panamair,reply=36]Completed: 9 Ship 6301 - N661US Ship 6302 - N662US Ship 6303 - N663US Ship 6304 - N664US Ship 6305 - N665US Ship 6306 - N666U
51 boilerla : Actually UA does think it's necessary, they didn't want to do it since their 744s are due to be retired in 3 1/2 years when the A350 is delivered. Bu
52 DeltaL1011man : Its funny, I was just checking loads on TravelNet and got a nice warning message. Something about regular 95% load factors.
53 klkla : Delta used to fly the 777 atl-gru once in a while. Has something changed now that they can't use 777 or 747 now? Or were they applying for additional
54 FlyASAGuy2005 : If i'm reading what TransPac is saying right, they may have permission to fly the heavier wide rides to GRU but not daily (7x frequencies) and i'm su
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