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Official: Airbus Announce A320 Factory In Alabama  
User currently offlinegothamspotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 30446 times:

Reports today that Airbus may announce on Monday plans to build an A320 assembly plant in Mobile, Alabama.

The biggest reason cited has been to convince US carriers to buy Airbus planes. But do you think Delta and United really care where their planes are made? Maybe Airbus just wants to reduce their labor costs, which are undoubtedly lower in right-to-work Alabama than they are in France.

http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/06/airbus-build-a320-factory-alabama

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 30467 times:

This is the link to the NY Times article referenced:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/bu...t-us-plant.html?_r=2&smid=tw-share



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User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 30188 times:

UA is about to buy the MAX, DL has signed up for 100 737-900s, AA has already bought a ton of NEOs OEOs, NGs and MAXs so that leaves US which is already in the Airbus bag anyways. I don't think they are doing this for more American (US airline) orders. Alabama has VERY friendly labor laws to corporations so I am betting its Airbus hedging themselves against an expensive Euro and taking advantage of low labor prices.

User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4764 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 30081 times:
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Quoting phxa340 (Reply 2):
Alabama has VERY friendly labor laws to corporations so I am betting its Airbus hedging themselves against an expensive Euro and taking advantage of low labor prices.

Those are strong arguments in favor of Airbus doing so. A move which was not unexpected I guess.


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 30062 times:

The majority of those in Alabama, along with a lot of Southern states, sure seem to be railing a lot against the European policies, cultures and attitudes. But when it comes to business, oh well, the more the better, eh?

Money sure talks......



 


User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 30051 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 3):
Those are strong arguments in favor of Airbus doing so. A move which was not unexpected I guess.

Airbus is a very well run company , and well run companies often hedge themselves against over/under valued currencies so I am guessing it is a matter of when not if.


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1920 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 29993 times:

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 2):
UA is about to buy the MAX,

Really? Care to supply a source?


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 674 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 29795 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 6):

Its been talked about and there was even a thread regarding it.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...s-ual-boeing-idUSBRE84304D20120504  


User currently offlineeaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 29788 times:

This is great. I had the feeling that they would do this. Will there be any Lockheed involvement?

I guess they will push up the NEO production rates which is just what is needed.


User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 29738 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 4):
The majority of those in Alabama, along with a lot of Southern states, sure seem to be railing a lot against the European policies, cultures and attitudes.

I seriously doubt that Southern States will be railing against massive job creation  


User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 29691 times:
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Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 6):

Yeah!! I'd like to know about that m'self Especially since I Work for United and I haven't heard any such thing. It Could Happen since We're down over 106 airplanes from where we should be.


User currently offlineeaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 29646 times:

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 9):
I seriously doubt that Southern States will be railing against massive job creation

They already have quite a few European car factories.


User currently offlineATLgaUSA From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 29652 times:

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 9):
Quoting point2point (Reply 4):
The majority of those in Alabama, along with a lot of Southern states, sure seem to be railing a lot against the European policies, cultures and attitudes.

The majority of those in Southern states are railing against governments spending more money than they take in. I'm sure Airbus, as a business, understands the concept of fiscal responsibility. Therefore, there shouldn't be much of a conflict.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 29429 times:

Quoting gothamspotter (Thread starter):
But do you think Delta and United really care where their planes are made?

No. This is all about reducing costs.



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 29386 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 4):

The majority of those in Alabama, along with a lot of Southern states, sure seem to be railing a lot against the European policies, cultures and attitudes. But when it comes to business, oh well, the more the better, eh?

I'll certainly enjoy the irony. Been waiting quite a while for this to finally come out. Everybody wins, IMO.



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9113 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 29282 times:

I wonder what sort of A320 factory it will be ....

A320 only, or to include the A319 & A321, NEO or no NEO.

The plant in China seems to be working well.



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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7308 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 29254 times:

Quoting gothamspotter (Thread starter):
The biggest reason cited has been to convince US carriers to buy Airbus planes.

Let's see, the USA already has the carrier with the largest Airbus fleet - US Airways - and when you count UA, DL, B6, NK fleets you get additional numbers which are quite impressive in Boeings backyard, and all this was done with a/c being built / asembled in Europe and flown across the pond, so I question that reason.

Now if folks want to revisit the idea of currency hedging between the US Dollar and the Euro I would give that more credibility. In any event, unless it is a obsolete A320 classic line being packaged and shipped across the pond to create space for the NEO lines, I would expect the Europe unions to raise merry hell since there is no military offset which was going to compensate for the tanker deal.


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 674 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 29248 times:

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 10):
Yeah!! I'd like to know about that m'self Especially since I Work for United and I haven't heard any such thing. It Could Happen since We're down over 106 airplanes from where we should be.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...s-ual-boeing-idUSBRE84304D20120504

http://airnation.net/2012/04/24/united-737-order-boeing/

http://www.sharewellnewswire.com/ord...eing-finalized-by-united-airlines/

http://www.bizjournals.com/albuquerq...t-united-airlines-to-make-10b.html


The likelihood of this order not happening is just as likely as WN ordering a fleet of 777's,   


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 29159 times:

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 9):
I seriously doubt that Southern States will be railing against massive job creation

hmmmmmmm?

Quoting ATLgaUSA (Reply 12):
The majority of those in Southern states are railing against governments spending more money than they take in. I'm sure Airbus, as a business, understands the concept of fiscal responsibility. Therefore, there shouldn't be much of a conflict.

AIrbus has never, ever taken any monies from any governments?

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 14):
I'll certainly enjoy the irony. Been waiting quite a while for this to finally come out. Everybody wins, IMO.

  

All the best.......

 


User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 29092 times:

Reports from Mobile were saying that this would be occupying the land that Airbus wanted to use for their Tanker deal that Boeing ended up getting. Airbus already has an MRO in BFM (I beleive) that is pretty proficient in Airbus technology.

Good to finally see something good come to this state... For those of you interested, here is a list of International Companies here in Alabama include:

Mercedes Benz
Hyandai
Toyota
Boeing
ThyssenKrupp Steel
LG
JVC
Sony
Michelin


User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 28928 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 4):
The majority of those in Alabama, along with a lot of Southern states, sure seem to be railing a lot against the European policies, cultures and attitudes. But when it comes to business, oh well, the more the better, eh?

Let's see BMW in Spartansburg is the largest volume auto plant in the US and produces for domestic and export markets. Mercedes is in Alabama so is Hyundai. Nissan is in Tennessee and so is VW in Chattanooga specifically. Freightliner is in North Carolina and owned by Daimler. Michelin is in South Carolina. Honda is in Alabama, Ohio, Indiana, . Toyota is in Mississippi, West Virginia, Kentucky, Texas, and Indiana. Volvo Trucks has 1.6 million square feet in Virginia.

Maybe this is about business and not about stereotypes.

Or if we must stick to a stereotype let's reverse your statement: The majority of those in France, along with the rest of Europe, sure seem to be railing a lot against the policis of the southern states, cultures, and attitudes. But it when it comes to business, oh well, the more the better, eh?

[Edited 2012-06-27 15:58:36]

[Edited 2012-06-27 16:07:22]

[Edited 2012-06-27 16:07:53]

User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 28868 times:

Would you regard a Boeing factory in China as a good thing as well.

User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 29167 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 23):
Would you regard a Boeing factory in China as a good thing as well.

If the technology and methods stayed with Boeing and weren't appropriated and if the profits flowed to back to the company, yes.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 29151 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 23):
Would you regard a Boeing factory in China as a good thing as well.

Embraer has a factory in China. Apparently they have decided it's a good thing.



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User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 29415 times:
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I think people greatly overstate Alabama's low wages. First of all, using the current exchange rates, French full time equivalent wage in 2010 was about $43,000. In Alabama, using the same definition, it was $42,000. Now of course this is for the whole economy and not the manufacturing sector, but it puts to rest the myth that Alabama is low wage. Perhaps there is still an adv in AL vs FR because of the more flexible labor laws and flexibility. It's not just about compensation.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...ountries_by_average_wage#section_2


25 peanuts : Airbus is getting smart. Gotta spread the risk a bit. When the french strike, Alabama can keep on humming along... Americans have a great work ethic.
26 phxa340 : Its not just about wages. It is about Holidays, benefits, taxes, worker productivity , overtime rules etc ...
27 Stitch : Not a surprising move by Airbus and certainly a prudent one - especially if the Eurozone weakens or even collapses (as a currency - NOT as an economy)
28 PPVRA : You gotta look up Unit Labor Costs. Compensation can be the same or even higher in one country, but it can have an overall lower ULC.
29 Post contains images poLOT : Much of Europe practically take an entire month off in the middle of the summer, that alone probably costs Airbus millions.
30 threeifbyair : How much is the subsidy package worth? This probably has a lot to do with where the factory is located. I'm surprised that Texas and Georgia, 2 states
31 PHX787 : Money isn't just talking, it's screaming in our ear. Good news for the alabama economy though~ I think this may be for AA and US being burgeoning A cu
32 nomorerjs : Business will go where they can utilize a good labor pool and cost advantages. Most southern US states are "Right to Work" states with less unionized
33 jetblueguy22 : How would the pieces come together? From my understanding the pieces for the planes are made all across Europe. Would they ship the pieces from Europe
34 Post contains images Stitch : A fair bit of the content comes from America, but I would imagine that the current European subs would be used for major structural sections and they
35 MillwallSean : Having production in every region reduces risk. Currency risks and similar. Airbus is also debating whether to stop using the Dollar for sales/purchas
36 col : This is great news, should have been a tanker plant to begin with, but that is history now. The China plant is doing well, even though the Chinese are
37 Post contains images bohica : The A300-600ST can make a stop or two on the way across the pond. That's not the issue. I don't think Airbus has enough of them to meet demand. I'm s
38 rduddji : More good news for AL's manufacturing industry. I have to give Airbus credit, this is a smart move. Cheaper production costs in the World's top narrow
39 flybyguy : Airbus opening up a factory in Alabama is a good thing. I think growth in the technology sector will allow that region to attract highly educated peop
40 thomasphoto60 : WOW.. just...WOW!
41 Post contains links zhiao : What's the difference. Labor compensation per hour WORKED for latest year available, in manufacturing sector, using current exchange rates, puts both
42 zhiao : More blue collar workers will do no such thing. AL has excellent, large universities, which already attract a large amount of talented people and "cu
43 DeltaB717 : I also doubt this decision is an attempt to attract more orders, but you have to admit having the same, or a subset of the same, product built with c
44 peanuts : I think it says more about his intolerance and lack of depth than it says about the great people of Alabama...
45 juantrippe82 : You mean the right to work for less, but I digress. But this is probably better for Airbus, it reduces the risk and increases production.
46 Post contains links juantrippe82 : http://blog.al.com/live/2012/06/airbus_set_to_announce_a320_pr.html Wow, providing tax breaks and subsidies. Kinda flies in the face of the free marke
47 juantrippe82 : Sorry I meant the word "incentives"
48 BCEaglesCO757 : My mom is from and lives in Mobile with a number of other relatives. Myself I was born and raised in Boston,but lived in Mobile for about a year and a
49 madog : for low labour costs, i'd imagine the Tianjin factory in China would be ideal for Airbus?
50 BCEaglesCO757 : Are you talking about football ? If so, I will say yes. Auburn is a good university I will say. After that......I think football when I think of scho
51 FSDan : What a ridiculous statement. You paint with a broad brush... Great news for Alabama! The South seems to be one of the strongest regions in the countr
52 Post contains images astuteman : This chestnut was brought up when the chinese FAL was opened. Never really happened. I wouldn't expect it this time either and for the same reason -
53 BCEaglesCO757 : That comment wasn't meant as a shot at the Fench or Airbus. But in how some here view Europe, their companies, especially the French and how they ope
54 zhiao : So why not build in Mexico, if the sole reason is costs?
55 juantrippe82 : Economic prosperity for whom? Not the employees.
56 astuteman : I can buy that. I wonder how many other French companies have established presences in the USA........ It wouldn't surprise me if it was more than US
57 gigneil : Its happening. No you;re not. That's what Republicans do. Anything for money, nothing for anyone else. Yes. I guarantee you're wrong. About what? He'
58 Post contains links and images RentonView : Hah, that's funny, considering this...
59 PHX787 : OK I can see AZ's position there easily, but Cali, NY, AND Ill in the "green?" Yeah this thing is messed up. Last I heard all 3 of those states were
60 Post contains links southsky : ...and California is our shining beacon. Thank you so much for existing. http://nces.ed.gov/naal/estimates/StateEstimates.aspx
61 aeroblogger : This chart is showing federal spending. The state deficit has no relevance whatsoever. Since California is green, it means that Californians pay more
62 Thijs1984 : Good thing for the people in Alabama. I have a lot of business related connections there, i think they are gad to see airbus comming.
63 Pvjin : Interesting indeed to see Airbus moving part of its manufacturing to US. I hope mainstream Alabamians are more tolerant than ones I saw in Top Gear ep
64 francoflier : What makes Alabama such a popular state for foreign companies to manufacture there? Labor laws? Whatever it is, it seems to be working, and kudos to
65 autothrust : How they have closed the line. The will ship the parts to Alabama. That was from beginning the plan in the Tanker competition. Exactly, the fleet is
66 Ruscoe : Things have changed a fair bit in Europe since Airbus decided to manufacture in China! First off the politicians in Spain, Italy and France are going
67 r2rho : This was a matter of when not if, Airbus have long been wanting to open up a FAL in the US, the original idea was for tankers, but that's history now
68 UALWN : If the value of the euro slided against the US dollar, wouldn't that be good for Airbus? Prosperity? Example of northern state: MA. GDP per capita (2
69 Post contains images Thijs1984 : That's correct That is why many car manufactorers have moved to the south. Resulting in (for expample ) Steel Maker ThyssenKrupp to follow.
70 moo : Will this be the first time an aircraft family has been produced in four countries on three continents?
71 par13del : Which chestnut we talking about, the one where the line in China was opened a number of years after the A320 went into service with a restriction on
72 hsvflier : UAH comes to mind And for the rest of the haters out there, the cost of living in Alabama is not that high so higher wages aren't really needed. In a
73 hsvflier : Government contracts, also im pretty sure EADS builds the new light utility helicopter for the US Army and Alabama is home to Army aviation. Not to m
74 Burkhard : I'm sure large parts will be shipped by boat, not Beluga. The Beluga is needed to ship parts to Toulouse which has no water connection, but Mobile is
75 UALWN : Let me repeat this once again: Spain's debt as of 01/01/2012: 68% of its GDP. USA's debt as of 01/01/2012: 103% of its GDP. Source: IMF.
76 Post contains images scbriml : The 100th shipset of parts arrived at Tanjin this month. 89 completed A320s have been delivered so far. All production thus far has been for Chinese
77 Post contains images airbazar : Why believe in hard facts when listening to the misinformed media is so much more fun? Unfortunately Spain's debt to GDP ratio will go thru the roof
78 soon7x7 : Terrific!...Airbus doing more for US jobs than our President..."Viva La France!"
79 pliersinsight : And of course, Honda. Somebody here made fun of me for having a "foreign" car when they say the Honda. I said you're right, Alabama is like another c
80 SEPilot : I suspect this is due to two factors; one, they want more production capacity, and two, they want to hedge against currency fluctuations, particularly
81 ckfred : Could this have something to do with the tanker, based on the A330, that lost to the 767 tanker? If Airbus has already invested in real estate, it mig
82 FSDan : That's very true, although both coasts have a MUCH higher cost of living than the South. I bet the quality of life for someone making $51,914 in Cali
83 SEPilot : This could well have a lot to do with it, not only the real estate but having invested time and money investigating the business climate, making conn
84 Burkhard : If the Airbus had worries about the Euro, they would NOT do this, because a faible Euro favours production in Europe. Such a decision makes sense if A
85 aeroblogger : WN and AS...
86 SEPilot : That is only looking at the problems with the Euro; but the dollar is perhaps even more vulnerable long term. The Euro may disappear, and some degree
87 Post contains links zeke : Airbus didn't have an A340 line, it is a shared A330/A340 line, they could build a new A340 today if someone really wanted them. I suspect if they we
88 Cubsrule : I don't know that it's ironic so much as it's emblematic of what is happening in other industries. I don't have terribly current numbers handy, but i
89 babybus : Well done to Alabama if this is true. I'm sure, considering the amount of unemployment that exists in many places, this will be a God send to them. It
90 Post contains links PlaneAdmirer : I went back and looked up the data. I can confirm it's the largest exporting auto plant in the US. http://www.plantengineering.com/indu...d87523539ce
91 glideslope : The other side of the coin is it will slide so far as to be unrecoverable. Very likely IMO. Can you imagine if Boeing tried to open a 737-MAX line in
92 Post contains images Heavierthanair : G´day With the present backlog of the A 380 a second assembly line for this type in Alabama can likely not be justified right now. Things may be diff
93 KDAYflyer : I think it has more to do with the lower taxes on corporate earnings; in the US you add about 18-22% to the hourly cost of labor for FICA, SUTA, etc.
94 Post contains images diverdave : We're kind of used to it. I'm always amused by comments such as Alabama being 48th in XXX category. As long as the USA has 50 states, some state is a
95 SEPilot : Except that the US now has the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world.
96 rbgso : Congrats to Airbus and Alabama. I hope they will eventually offer tours of the facility.
97 hsvflier : of which most large corporations pay little to none of it
98 fcogafa : Flightglobal isn't so sure... Airbus insists that there are conditions which would need to be met before it could consider a possible production line
99 Post contains links southsky : I have cited the Mobile Press-Register below: "Multiple company, state and local officials confirmed that an agreement was in place to bring Airbus t
100 zeke : I love that term !!!
101 Post contains images SEPilot : True (as in GE).
102 Post contains images par13del : I'm lost with this one, are you saying that all the fuss taking place in Europe regarding the Euro, Greece having multiple elections in a year, Franc
103 SEPilot : I believe parts transportation costs are among the smallest, close to trivial, in the overall cost of an airliner.
104 par13del : I meant aviation parts / products already being built in the USA. Zeke and others have always mentioned the number of aviation products that the USA
105 strfyr51 : Ibelieve that Airbus would likw
106 Areopagus : I have noticed my current and previous employers both stating during quarterly investor conferences that their overall tax rate is in the high 30% ra
107 strfyr51 : I think that Airbus would like to become eligible to become a defense contractor, By building a plant in the USA they very well might be able to suppo
108 Post contains images scbriml : Why would Americans riot in the streets if Boeing opened a 737 FAL in France? A320 production rates are counted across all FALs. That's entirely poss
109 DeltaMD90 : I don't foresee full blow riots but a lot of people would be pissed. And it would take a lot for France of all places to look more attractive to Boei
110 scbriml : And what was the reaction to Boeing outsourcing significant parts of 787 production to Japan and Italy?
111 Post contains images N14AZ : Just to mention a few... Could you do me a favour and check the shareholders of Airbus / EADS? I am starting to get offended "Sweet home FALAbama Whe
112 UALWN : Yes, Spanish banks will need about €60b in public money. You may want to compare that to the $700b the US banks needed in 2008, not counting Fannie
113 par13del : I hope they are talking about FAL's as Airbus is, certainely the production out-sourced by Boeing merely mimicks what Airbus has been doing for years
114 UALWN : It does not. EADS is a French-German-Italian-Spanish company. Boeing is not American-Japanese-Italian.
115 realsim : It's a French-German-Spanish company (22,35% FR and DE, and 5,45% ES). Italy doesn't belong to the contractual partnership of EADS.
116 strfyr51 : Is there a POINT to this?? EADS is a European Defense conglomerate. And???
117 Stitch : A strike by their workforce.
118 PHX787 : That was also due to labor contracts that went bad.
119 par13del : I don't see where this had anything to do with the topic at hand, I was mentioning the economic situation in Europe and how it might affect a decisio
120 Post contains links PPVRA : At least we have one good criticism in this thread of what happened. Indeed, flies in the face of the free market - and common sense: http://www.ajc.
121 Post contains images LMP737 : If it happens I'll be sure to send them a resume.
122 Aesma : This isn't going to play well here. And I'm not talking about Airbus employees, as it seems nowadays it's everybody bracing for their own job, so as l
123 Post contains images astuteman : I'm sorry. But local governments competing to offer the best terms to lure valuable industries/businesses into their area IS a perfect example of fre
124 autothrust : I know that. Are you really sure, some part's differ and they will have sure shutdown in the meantime the production of this parts.
125 Burkhard : Does this mean than EXIM could finance Airbus sales in Europe? That would be a coup! The A320 is where the work and the money is. For neither the A35
126 FRAspotter : Wow... stereotype much?
127 zeke : Parts continue to be manufactured both for the engines and airframes. It is often forgotten that the OEMs generate a lot of cash flow from ongoing su
128 shankly : ....queue opening chords to Sweet Home Alabama ...but boy would they be welcomed if they opened a plant here in Blighty
129 sweair : Maybe Boeing and Airbus could coordinate parts collections if they both pick up parts on both sides of the pond? And save some money while at it. They
130 wingman : This is great news. I'm not sure I can see a single negative aspect or consequence of Airbus building a plant in Alabama. Investment+jobs+high-tech..a
131 Post contains links egnr : Courtesy of Leeham News & Comment: Mobile TV obtains Airbus A320 plant blueprint
132 LJ : You're missing the point. Airbus wins regardless of whether the EUR/USD exchange rate goes up or down. The idea is to eliminate foreign exchange rate
133 par13del : In wish case they should have done so decades ago, one wonders why they did not if it makes so much financial sense, methinks something else was more
134 LJ : It would have indeed made a lot of sense to do this earlier. It may be that it wasn't feasible to do this due to politics or other internal reasons.
135 KDAYflyer : I hope the leadership of Airbus learns how to say y'all properly. Seriously this would have a huge economic impact on the state and I hope for the sak
136 Stitch : Decades ago, the A320 was not the market monster it is today... While outsourcing to China and the United States bring benefits (orders for the forme
137 par13del : I might phrase a response like how much expansion room is their within the Airbus group of countires to accomodate expansion, if compared to opening
138 scbriml : Any announced production rates were always for the three existing production lines. If and when the new line is confirmed, we'll have to wait to see
139 Aesma : There is plenty of space at TLS, and lots of fields around, too. BTW, I'm looking to maybe move to Toulouse myself, find a (computer) job in the aeros
140 Post contains links Stitch : Looks like it could do up to 20 planes a month: http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/n...sible-airbus-mobile.html?ana=yfcpc
141 Post contains links and images flood : Caption says it's for their recruitment program, seems more like a bit of wordplay to me View Large View MediumPhoto © T.Laurent
142 Post contains links scbriml : From the link below, initial target is four per month, just like the Tanjin line. To get up to 20 would take quite a while. "Offical" confirmation, a
143 Post contains images r2rho : Indeed, over time as the supply chain is reorganized, Airbus could be running ships full of airplane parts both ways across the Atlantic. With existi
144 Burkhard : This is the same size as Toulouse and almost Hamburg size, so not a small local thing like China....
145 msp747 : You guys are missing a huge piece of the equation: tax incentives. There are plenty of right to work states across the US. The key piece of this puzz
146 Post contains links and images zkojq : From Airbus's US facebook page: If Airbus does build a FAL in Mobile I hope the local spotters can put together a blog similar to ToulouseWatch and Ha
147 Post contains links flood : Live announcement to begin in a few minutes: http://www.airbus.com/company/americas/us/alabama/
148 moo : Any hint of a new order to be announced at the same time to kick this new FAL off?
149 Post contains images travelavnut : Congrats to Mobile, Alabama and Airbus!!!! Really good news this Love the accent of the gentleman currently speaking, ya'll!
150 Post contains links ADent : http://www.airbus.com/company/americ...sh-assembly-line-in-united-states/ First plane to be delivered 2016. 40-50 planes a year by 2018.
151 Stitch : That's a fair bit of capital investment for not much output, so I imagine if Airbus does plan significant production boosts down the road, those extr
152 Post contains images N14AZ : Ohhhh, what a cute little FAL. This is about 10% of todays A 32X-production. Anyway, congratulations to Alabama and Airbus!
153 par13del : Prior to this official announcement, Airbus officials were being quoted as saying that all conditions were not in place for a FAL, so here is the 100p
154 GentFromAlaska : Fox Business News interviewed a French official this morning; referring to him as Ambassador. This of course may have been a courtesy greeting. The di
155 Post contains links ADent : What is the breakdown by final assy line? China ( TSN ) is 4/month for the single line. Hamburg ( XFW ) opened a 3rd FAL and is expected to go to 25/m
156 WarpSpeed : This is exactly what I'm trying to get my arms around. The upfront capital allocation per frame at FALabama could range between $600,000 and $800,000
157 hawkercamm : Would just like to thank the op for deleting the other thread but I'd suggest he should have locked this since the confirmation deserved a new one.
158 hawkercamm : I think they will be!!! I personally believe there is an element of mitigating the European Euro crisis in this decision. There are many outcomes to
159 Post contains images LV : Cue Ricky Bobby Vs. Jean Girard
160 astuteman : ???? Toulouse ran at 4 - 5 per month once, as did Finkenwerder. It would be surpassingly naive to imply that Airbus don't sweat their assets IMO Ther
161 scbriml : Simple obfuscation to calm down speculation ahead of the official announcement. It's currently at three/month but will be up to four by December.
162 Post contains links and images astuteman : Correct. http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ctory-to-assemble-a320neos-373643/ For me, the timing makes perfect sense. Airbus seem reluctant to g
163 AirlineCritic : I am a little surprised that the output levels are so small initially. But maybe it takes time to build up to a bigger capacity, and that is probably
164 Stitch : As astuteman noted, there is no real reason for Airbus employees at TLS or XFW to be any more annoyed with a FAL in MOB anymore than for, say, Boeing
165 Post contains images scbriml : This is true for the FAL workers, but of course for all the workers that make everything that ends up at the FAL, any overall increase in production
166 hawkercamm : For now! But when the big decisions come in the future - who knows
167 tomcat : On top of this, there is even the prospect for the workers of the European FALs to experience a more stable employment. For the companies based in co
168 Stitch : Well XFW is certainly going nowhere, since it can make any model of the A320 family. And when Airbus management floated the idea of closing down the
169 Post contains images EPA001 : That is exactly how I see it as well. It will give Airbus the flexibility where and when they need it. A well thought-out move imho. .
170 Post contains images N14AZ : You mean MOB to finetune production, interesting idea... No way!!! Even though it's Monday may I kindly ask you to refrain from posting such unrealit
171 Post contains images tomcat : Or was it for the coffee that would be served in the factory by a great coffee company founded in ... Seattle ?
172 WarpSpeed : Call me contrarian, but what of decreases? Hard to imagine in this market, but it would be naive to think the day will never come. Might the statemen
173 AirlineCritic : Standard business practice. You have to factor in things like costs, exchange rates, local laws about employment and the cost of laying off people he
174 tomcat : Yes. But the quest for more flexibility, if confirmed, being only one of the reasons for this US investments. It comes for free and it's nice to have
175 tomcat : To speak about a country that I know, Belgium, important layoffs take an eternity to be implemented. It's not rare to see the first people fired when
176 Post contains links and images TSS : Ptuh! Here in Alabama we have our own coffee company- Red Diamond Coffee http://www.reddiamond.com/. Congratulations to MOB and Airbus!
177 Stitch : It depends on how deep they need to be. I believe during the slowdown during the GFC, Airbus kept the same number of production workers in XFW and TL
178 Aesma : I will say it again, but it's not just about Airbus current employees. Airbus is doing great and that's a good thing, maybe it could give back a littl
179 Post contains links Mortyman : This article includes many, many quotes from industry people and officials in the region, praising todays news: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/air..
180 PPVRA : Taxing people to subsidize companies has nothing to do with the free market.
181 Post contains images PHX787 : Damn that's a lot! Congrats to Alabama~
182 mham001 : My father with a high school education became a multi-millionaire working a lifetime at Boeing. Why not Airbus?
183 WarpSpeed : Agreed. Free market economics in its purest form would not have government intervention by way of tax breaks and other incentives to influence busine
184 OzGlobal : You do realize that only a portion of the Airbus workforce is in France, with parts and partial assembly in dozens of countries, I hope?? The US is j
185 Post contains links moderators : Please continue the discussion here: Airbus Announces A320 Factory In Alabama (by moderators Jul 2 2012 in Civil Aviation) Any posts that appear after
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