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HA Now Operating A332 On SAN-HNL  
User currently offlineWarmNuts From United States of America, joined May 2006, 94 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5435 times:

Not sure if this has been posted, but I noticed a few days ago that HA had begun operating an A330 on their HNL-SAN route. This morning I caught a glimpse of N389HA, a.k.a., Keali'iokonaikalewa, departing en route to HNL. EIS only on June 20 of this year, just a week ago - a brand new bird.  

It's nice to see an A330-243 gracing the tarmac here in SAN. She had to taxi on the north side, via the cargo and g/a apron, complete with an escort. Graceful lines - IMHO, next to the A340, the most beautiful airframe Airbus has ever produced.



[Edited 2012-06-27 19:11:17]

[Edited 2012-06-27 19:13:30]

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User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5381 times:
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The HA A330 service started on Sunday. It's a bummer they have to do the runway cross (Lindy-hop)
Great photo though! It's the first picture I've seen of it!



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2634 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5339 times:

I saw it take off today and its a pretty plane. Seems to be louder than the 763, however.

User currently online747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3620 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5298 times:

I am glad to see an A330, operating out of SAN.

Quoting WarmNuts (Thread starter):
Graceful lines - IMHO, next to the A340, the most beautiful airframe Airbus has ever produced.




I think the A350, could give them a run their money, in that category.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 2):
I saw it take off today and its a pretty plane. Seems to be louder than the 763, however.



Yes it is a pretty plane! I can under stand why it is louder. The engines on an A330, is not that many generations, apart from the engines used on a 767. So with the higher power in the A330's engines, they could produce a little more noise, and that just my thoughts on that, I may be wrong.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5258 times:

Thanks for the great picture 'nuts. She is a beautiful bird and it's a thrill to have her now visiting us daily!

Mahalo, Hawaiian, for this acknowledgement of San Diego's growing passenger traffic to The Islands.

bb


User currently offlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

First Airbus widebody scheduled service for SAN since CO flew A300s here in the '80s. Nice!


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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4811 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5072 times:
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Quoting WarmNuts (Thread starter):
Graceful lines - IMHO, next to the A340, the most beautiful airframe Airbus has ever produced.

Absolutely! Only good looking Airbus, IMO.

I grabbed some departure shots on Sunday and Monday but haven't had a chance to get them off my camera yet. Hopefully I can get one of them accepted here.



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User currently offlineHNLPointShoot From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

Quoting WarmNuts (Thread starter):
This morning I caught a glimpse of N389HA, a.k.a., Keali'iokonaikalewa, departing en route to HNL. EIS only on June 20 of this year, just a week ago - a brand new bird.

That's the Hawaiian name for the star Canopus, if anyone's interested.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 1):
It's a bummer they have to do the runway cross (Lindy-hop.)


Hey gang, it just occurred to me... why is the Lindy-hop necessary any more for anyone? Haven't all the obstacles to large wingspans along taxiway B been cleared by now? (I assume Speedbird is still doing the 'hop as well.)

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User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4996 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
Hey gang, it just occurred to me... why is the Lindy-hop necessary any more for anyone? Haven't all the obstacles to large wingspans along taxiway B been cleared by now? (I assume Speedbird is still doing the 'hop as well.)

The last thing I heard the reason for still doing the Lindy-hops is that so the wings will not overlap the service road
over on that side. With all the obstacles removed, I can't see why they haven't moved the road further away from
the runway, (unless they're in the process of doing it already.)



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User currently offlineWarmNuts From United States of America, joined May 2006, 94 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 1):
The HA A330 service started on Sunday. It's a bummer they have to do the runway cross (Lindy-hop)
Great photo though! It's the first picture I've seen of it!

Though I've seen it before, I never thought about it enough to wonder if it had a name... classic. Along with BA's daily 772 arrival, it's nice to add a little w/b variety to our slate of daily 763's.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 9):
With all the obstacles removed, I can't see why they haven't moved the road further away from the runway, (unless they're in the process of doing it already.)

   There is ground torn up between Laurel/Harbor and the Commuter Terminal, but I don't see any sign of a relocation in the SDCRAA's master plan map:

http://www.san.org/sdcraa/airport_initiatives/master_plan/default.aspx

Speaking of the Commuter Terminal, the removal of the Charles Lindbergh mural was a mistake, IMO. Way to make our Commuter Terminal more generic, SDCRAA.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
Thanks for the great picture 'nuts. She is a beautiful bird and it's a thrill to have her now visiting us daily!

Thanks, SANFan...  

Quoting HNLPointShoot (Reply 7):
That's the Hawaiian name for the star Canopus, if anyone's interested.

Thank you for the link. Nice to see the PR is dated today...


User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4878 times:
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Quoting WarmNuts (Reply 10):
Speaking of the Commuter Terminal, the removal of the Charles Lindbergh mural was a mistake, IMO. Way to make our Commuter Terminal more generic, SDCRAA.

They did? I didn't know they removed the mural!! That's what made the airport unique! They must of had a reason,
bummer!

Quoting WarmNuts (Reply 10):
There is ground torn up between Laurel/Harbor and the Commuter Terminal, but I don't see any sign of a relocation in the SDCRAA's master plan map:

The relocation of the road was probably insignificant to the point where they didn't feel the need to put it in
the master plan, (just like when they added extra gates for WN). I remember SDCRAA president Thella Bowen
saying recently in an interview that with the removal of the Teledyne bldgs, there would be enough space to
accomodate the wingspan of the 787. The torn up ground in that area could be the new road under construction.
BTW, the master plan still has the Teledyne bldgs in it. (If you look closely)

[Edited 2012-06-27 22:43:28]


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User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

Heres my photo of her on her Inaugural flight.

N389HA, N389HA performing first SAN-HNL June 24th, 2012. She was delivered 4 day old airplane



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User currently offlineWarmNuts From United States of America, joined May 2006, 94 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4730 times:

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 12):
Heres my photo of her on her Inaugural flight.


Beautiful angle... it really shows the graceful aesthetic of the wingspan.


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4811 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4400 times:
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This thing departs at absolutely the worst time of day for photography so it's going to be very difficult getting a shot accepted to the database. I'm not very happy with these as the light is extremely harsh but here I have a few quick edits. Some shots from Sunday and Monday.


Hawaiian A330 by Silver1SWA (Ryan Pastorino), on Flickr


Hawaiian A330 by Silver1SWA (Ryan Pastorino), on Flickr


Hawaiian A330 by Silver1SWA (Ryan Pastorino), on Flickr



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8373 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4360 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 3):
So with the higher power in the A330's engines, they could produce a little more noise, and that just my thoughts on that, I may be wrong.

Doesn't SAN also have a relatively short runway? If so, maybe they're using higher thrust too.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 6):

Absolutely! Only good looking Airbus, IMO.

I find the A345 to be the most beautiful airplane currently flying, but that's me  


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

Thanks for sharing your latest photos Ryan. Great as always, and a lovely model to shoot certainly helps!

(BTW, a recent check of HA's booking engine is still showing the 'Bus flying the SAN-HNL r/t all the way through the close of the booking window - May 25, 2013 - so it appears to be a permanent upgrade (or at least until such time as she is needed elsewhere.)  

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User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
Hey gang, it just occurred to me... why is the Lindy-hop necessary any more for anyone? Haven't all the obstacles to large wingspans along taxiway B been cleared by now? (I assume Speedbird is still doing the 'hop as well.)

Its the wingspan. The A330's wings are 40 feet longer than a 767. Though ATC treats them like a 767, they have more prone risk of hitting something on the bravo side of the runway. The 787 will have to cross the runway too.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 9):
overlap the service road

  



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User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 17):
Its the wingspan. The A330's wings are 40 feet longer than a 767. Though ATC treats them like a 767, they have more prone risk of hitting something on the bravo side of the runway. The 787 will have to cross the runway too.

Wow, I can see some real issues in the not-too-distant future then. If all of our larger wide-bodied intercontinental flights -- and I expect there will be more to come -- will have to do the 'hop, during busy times of the day it will certainly gum up the works on the active. It will either add further delays to the takeoffs and landings, in order to allow the crossing of 9-27, or by adding a LOT to taxi times including taxiway congestion while the bird waits for an opportunity to cross... The terminal area is already very tight on taxiing room and the last thing we need is a couple of big wide-spanning a/c sitting there waiting to cross the runway...

I hope something is in the works to somehow eliminate this issue.

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User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4199 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
Wow, I can see some real issues in the not-too-distant future then. If all of our larger wide-bodied intercontinental flights -- and I expect there will be more to come -- will have to do the 'hop, during busy times of the day it will certainly gum up the works on the active. It will either add further delays to the takeoffs and landings, in order to allow the crossing of 9-27, or by adding a LOT to taxi times including taxiway congestion while the bird waits for an opportunity to cross... The terminal area is already very tight on taxiing room and the last thing we need is a couple of big wide-spanning a/c sitting there waiting to cross the runway...

As I mentioned earlier, Thella Bowen commented on the removal of the obstacles on that side of
the runway to allow the longer wingspans of the 787,777,A330,(747s?) to use that taxiway. Thella
Bowen is the person who knows exactly what is going on at Lindbergh , (most likely she knows way more
about the airport than we do) .My best guess is they're working on getting that service road relocated and
ready just in time for JAL's 787s when they start touching down from Tokyo.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
I hope something is in the works to somehow eliminate this issue.

I'm almost posititive that the problem is being addressed, especially in light of the possibility of more widebodies
coming.

[Edited 2012-06-28 12:44:57]


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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3075 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 1):
It's a bummer they have to do the runway cross (Lindy-hop)

Can someone please explain what the Lindy-hop is. From the comments, I can infer that it's some kind of less efficient taxi route due to clearance issues, but am interested in hearing about it. Thanks.


User currently offlineSANflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

6 years ago I was working for a Architecture/Engineering firm in Orange County that was designing a new taxiway. The issue as stated above was/is the service road and more importantly, the Teledyne-Ryan complex. The plan was held up for years pending the environmental remediation liability for the Teledyne-Ryan complex. Once that was resolved, the buildings were demolished. This would allow the service road to be moved and the taxiway reconstructed.
Not sure what the status is today...but that was the plan.
On a side note, I got to spend 4 weeks photographing and documenting every inch of the Teledyne-Ryan complex as part of the Taxiway project. They were fascinating buildings but incredibly toxic.


User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4074 times:
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 20):
Can someone please explain what the Lindy-hop is. From the comments, I can infer that it's some kind of less efficient taxi route due to clearance issues, but am interested in hearing about it. Thanks.

Widebodies, after pushing back from the gate, they taxi across the runway to the other side, they taxi up
several feet and then they taxi back across the runway for takeoff. There were obstacles on the other side
of the runway that the longer wingspan couldn't clear. The taxi across the runway was required. Doing the
"hop" across the runway is not a big problem when traffic is slow, but at peak times, it could tie up traffic
until the widebody aircraft clears the runway.



[Edited 2012-06-28 13:35:44]


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User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4047 times:
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Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 14):
This thing departs at absolutely the worst time of day for photography so it's going to be very difficult getting a shot accepted to the database. I'm not very happy with these as the light is extremely harsh but here I have a few quick edits. Some shots from Sunday and Monday.

I think the pictures look great just as they are. Would you be able to get better pictures on a cloudy/partly cloudy day?
Since this is San Diego we're talking about, just wait a few minutes!!  



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2634 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
I hope something is in the works to somehow eliminate this issue.

Not that big of an issue. If the SANRR get the Telyedyne issue behind it, wingspan will ahve to be addressed.

Otherwise, It's called the SAN market. There can't be that many wide body international type flights here because of the runway, terrain and market. I don't think a max of one NRT, one HNL, one LHR and maybe one of two more like FRA, AMS, CDG could ever be a real problem at SAN. Most of these flights leave in lower demand periods.


25 irelayer : I agree. A huge shame. However, it now looks like a shadow of Lindy and that looks pretty unique! -IR
26 SANMAN66 : I dunno, maybe they removed the mural because it was chipping or fading? The buildings are all gone now, unless it has something to do with mitigatin
27 Post contains images blrBird : Welcome to the club
28 SANflyr : New to this.....not sure how quoting works..... In response to SANMAN66....the grounds are polluted with Hexavelent Chromium.....VERY nasty stuff. The
29 Post contains images SANMAN66 : So that's the reason! I guess it's taking some time to get it all cleaned up. Those chemicals DO sound pretty nasty! Hey thanks for the info SANflyr!
30 CALPSAFltSkeds : Gee, you'd wonder if that chromium would fly up out of the soil and somehow get into the wings of an airliner passing over it. The RAA has dealt with
31 SANflyr : The major contamination is in the center of the site where the sawtoothed-roof manufacturing building was. Last time I flew out there was a hole there
32 SANMAN66 : I remember when that was talked about, but the thing that still stumps me about it is how do they plan to tunnel under the active runway without disr
33 747400sp : I believe AA used to wash their 747's, at SAN in the 70's and 80's, and UA used to use 747's, on their SAN-LAX-HNL in the 80's, so SAN can accommodat
34 Post contains images Silver1SWA : Speaking of 747s, I just received a text from a co-worker that an Atlas 747 was at SAN today. Anyone know why? All the good stuff happens when I'm off
35 SANMAN66 : I remember I used to see the UA 747 each morning during the early 80's, Don't forget, BA and British Caledonian flew their 747s in during the late 80
36 SANMAN66 : Aw nuts!! Is it still here? According to Flightaware, it came in from HNL, and landed not too long ago.[Edited 2012-06-28 19:28:14]
37 Silver1SWA : Sounds like it's parked on the north ramp.
38 JAAlbert : Yup! Prettydarnexciting if you ask me. My toss in a dissent. The idea was grand - honor the airport's namesake. But the mural had Lindbergh holding a
39 Post contains links and images WarmNuts : I've gone down there plenty of times to watch the arrival of both the UA and the BA 747s in their respective days... Sweet, sweet nostalgia. Had I kn
40 SANMAN66 : I don't live too far from the airport and just took a little drive-by. Yup, there's a 744 sitting there, right near the tower. Right now it's just th
41 SANMAN66 : I wonder why it's heading to VCV? Storage maybe?
42 san747 : If you have a FlightAware account, you can set alerts for specific movements to be sent to your email. I set an alert for any time a flight plan invo
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