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Iran Air Flights To Caracas, Venezuela  
User currently offlinefanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2005 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14377 times:

I saw amazing pictures taken by someone who flew one of Iran Air's Boeing 747-SPs from Teheran to Caracas, Venezuela. Are these flights still operated? I know Hugo Chavez encouraged these flights, but what was the true reason Iran Air was/is flying to that destination?

I read (online) in a book called The American Hiroshima that no people are on those planes and that some form of exchange of nuclear technology is involved. I personally do not believe this, as the pictures and videos clearly show passengers on the aircraft. The book appears to be another attempt at a Doomsday scenario. I just wanted to hear what knowledgeable people here on A.net think.

By the way, even though I am of the Jewish faith, I personally admire Iran Air and have heard nothing but good things about the airline. And as much as I despise the country's leadership, my own experiences coincide with others here on A.net that the Iranian people by and large are very nice and hospitable.


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User currently offlinejmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3312 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13541 times:

Quoting fanofjets (Thread starter):
I personally do not believe this, as the pictures and videos clearly show passengers on the aircraft.
Quoting fanofjets (Thread starter):
I just wanted to hear what knowledgeable people here on A.net think.

Do you really believe that there is a market for such a flight? Well, yes and no. If Iran & Venezuela were to be 2 free-market countries with their given economic sizes and geographic and cultural ties, there would be near ZERO demand for such a flight. Those 'passengers' you see are likely the elite associated with the Ahmadinejad and Chavez regimes who are simply up to no good. This market is artificially inflated by evil and destructive motives.

Quoting fanofjets (Thread starter):
And as much as I despise the country's leadership, my own experiences coincide with others here on A.net that the Iranian people by and large are very nice and hospitable.

Very true! The majority of Iranians are great people, desire to live peacefully with Israel, and despise the evil and oppresive Islamic regime in their country.

[Edited 2012-06-28 07:56:09]


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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13342 times:
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Quoting fanofjets (Thread starter):
Are these flights still operated?



No, flights were suspended about a year more or less. Seasonally, a Conviasa Airbus A340-200 makes direct flight from Damascus to Caracas but is more for marketing than any other reason.

I don't think about great loads of passengers in these route.

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlinemachnumber From Greenland, joined Jul 2011, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11018 times:

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 1):
Do you really believe that there is a market for such a flight? Well, yes and no. If Iran & Venezuela were to be 2 free-market countries with their given economic sizes and geographic and cultural ties, there would be near ZERO demand for such a flight. Those 'passengers' you see are likely the elite associated with the Ahmadinejad and Chavez regimes who are simply up to no good. This market is artificially inflated by evil and destructive motives.

I don't understand why everything Iran and Venezuela undertake is seen dubious by some. Yes those two countries are allies although I don't know how much they can really achieve together. That still doesn't mean that they are exchanging scientists or materials for their " world domination plans".
There are flights between Russia and Cuba and is a good example. When the price is right and the countries have a visa waiver agreement those kind of flights work.


User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9379 times:

As mentioned, Conviasa operates this route once-weekly with an A340-200 now, they restarted in February after winter. It is definitely open to everyone, there is even a trip report about this route in the trip report section, and I can recommend it.

User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3372 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8315 times:

Um...there's already a thread discussing the ACA...perhaps you guys would like to take this elsewhere, please?

Anyway, I truly have to wonder why Venezuelans would travel to Syria and then Iran (and likewise for Iranians)? To me this is nothing more than propaganda flights. It's not like North Korea where the only means to enter the country (basically) is with its own airline from PEK. However, plenty other airlines serve CCS, DAM, and THR. Don't think there is enough to justify a direct flight.



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User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8156 times:

Yes - there's a trip report on this website, and I recommend reading it as well.

Nothing has to be 'evil'. It could just be a vanity flight - airlines the world over have undertaken vanity flights over time. This one is just a bit stranger than most.


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7243 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 10):
Anyway, I truly have to wonder why Venezuelans would travel to Syria and then Iran (and likewise for Iranians)? To me this is nothing more than propaganda flights.

There is a big Syrian - Lebanese colony in northern Colombia and the corresponding part in Venezuela. I know myself of many people in northern Colombia that took the flight to Damascus and then went to neighbouring countries by other means (or stayed in Syria if that was the destination). I am not saying the flight is economically viable or that there isn't shady characters or cargo involved (but then again, I have no idea) but not all the passengers are government people, some are normal folks like you and I.

The propaganda component is undeniable I think, but it's not all there's to this flight.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6729 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 10):
Anyway, I truly have to wonder why Venezuelans would travel to Syria and then Iran (and likewise for Iranians)?
Quoting 757MDE (Reply 13):
There is a big Syrian - Lebanese colony in northern Colombia and the corresponding part in Venezuela. I know myself of many people in northern Colombia that took the flight to Damascus and then went to neighbouring countries by other means (or stayed in Syria if that was the destination). I am not saying the flight is economically viable or that there isn't shady characters or cargo involved (but then again, I have no idea) but not all the passengers are government people, some are normal folks like you and I.

The Syrian-Lebanese (Muslim and Christian) community in Venezuela, Colombia and Ecuador is quite large and some it's 1st generation only, therefore VFR is a traffic component of that route.
Not sure if the Syrian-Lebanese or the Caribbean Muslims from Trinidad & Tobago and Guyana would fly that route.
As far as I know, the Persian (non-related to affairs w/Islamic Republic) community in Colombia and Venezuela is tiny, if any.
Here in Panama I doubt Syrian-Lebanese (specially Arab-speaking 2nd,3rd,4th generation in the country) or Persians would take that flight since many of them are Jewish with little or no contacts with their former homelands. In fact I don't know any Persian Muslims in Panama, only Jewish and Baha'i.



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User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6729 times:

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 12):
Being of Persian decent myself, I agree 100% that the majority of Persians (err..Iranians) are very nice and peaceful people!

Oh you just had to follow my lead didn't you!

Quoting tharanga (Reply 11):
'. It could just be a vanity flight - airlines the world over have undertaken vanity flights over time.

I like that term and its true there are a number of uneconomical vanity flights that have been flown. I do wonder if they'll ever do a vanity flight to Havana which is the US back yard.

Does this flight transit US air space and can Iran Air flights even do that (without and emergency)?


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6695 times:

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 15):
Does this flight transit US air space and can Iran Air flights even do that (without and emergency)?

Don't think it routed to fly over Puerto Rico or U.S. Virgin Islands.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6061 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6457 times:

PIA too had considered linking Damascus-Caracas back in the 90s.

User currently offlinejmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3312 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5662 times:

Quoting machnumber (Reply 3):
I don't understand why everything Iran and Venezuela undertake is seen dubious by some. Yes those two countries are allies although I don't know how much they can really achieve together. That still doesn't mean that they are exchanging scientists or materials for their " world domination plans".
There are flights between Russia and Cuba and is a good example. When the price is right and the countries have a visa waiver agreement those kind of flights work.

There are many more economic ties between Cuba and Russia than there are Iran and Venezuela. When Castro took over Cuba, Russia became its primarily ally as it became alienated from the rest of the world. Venezuela hasn't come to that point yet.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 5):
However, plenty other airlines serve CCS, DAM, and THR. Don't think there is enough to justify a direct flight.

Very true!



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3455 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5120 times:

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 1):
Very true! The majority of Iranians are great people, desire to live peacefully with Israel, and despise the evil and oppresive Islamic regime in their country

I know you are correct, of the people I have met from Persia, I have found them to be good people with strong family and religious beliefs. They have been gracious and inviting. I have found this to be true of most different cultures I've encountered, I think most people do wish to live in peace and religious freedom.



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