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User currently offlineMCOtoATL From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 474 posts, RR: 4
Posted (12 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

With all the news of airlines suffering from the economic downturn and lowered business travel, Airtran has done quite well.

USAirways is in trouble. Midway, which has great service and a fairly new feelt, filed for bankruptcy protection. Many say that Vanguard is in trouble. National is in Chapter 11.

Why has Airtran done fairly well? In both Atlanta and Orlando, they have tons of newspaper ads. They were also just added to the New York Stock Exchange. They have recently added some new cities (and then trimmed flights from some of them.) They contiunually add more 717's.

While other carriers are struggling, why are they doing OK? Wat do you think they will be like in 2 years? 10 years?


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User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

There presence at FNT is a nice one. Every time I am there, and they are de-boarding or boarding, it always seems like a full flight. If I ever need to go to Florida (my family is there) for some reason at the last minute, I will probably take them, as they are extremely reasonable with their fares..

I see them growing for a long time, and becoming a big player in the game..

Chris



Lets do some sexy math. We add you, subtract your clothes, divide your legs and multiply
User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

The reason they are doing so well is because they were the former VALUJET. For those of you who don't remember Valujet, or who chose to forget, Valujet was that brilliantly put together low fare airline of the early 90s that was profitable from the day of its first flight. Valujet grew like wild fire and in turn built up a massive, massive war chest of cash. After the crash and image overhaul, it has been this war chest and existing fleet and route structure that allowed it to have important staying power against the likes of DL. The is staying power consisted of matching of discounted seats to every DL discounted seat, a push for major advertising campaigns and room to grow a little. There have been years of losses but now I think things are begining to turn around.

Anyway, it seems like a lot of posts I read from people on here suggest that they don't remember Valujet and think that Air Tran just magically appeared and was lucky in getting so big so fast and holding its own against DL.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

Most of us don't think that AirTran magically appeared. Valujet, post-restarting and pre-merger, was nowhere near the size it was pre-592. Valujet had to essentially startover from scratch. They may have had the planes, gates, routes, and all the necessities needed to operate, but they were lacking one thing, the trust of the public. The Valujet name was sullied by the media, who prior to the crash were big Valujet cheerleaders. People were afraid to fly Valujet because of the image the media concocted of Valujet after the crash. The merger was essentially for the future of the company, because they (Lewis Jordan, Robert Priddy, and company) knew that the Valujet name was now sullied and could not be kept and for the sake of the employees the merger had to be done. So alot of folks never realized that AirTran and Valujet were essentially the same airline, just a new name and livery. They just thought Valujet had been taken over by AirTran, and not the otherway around. The name change was really not a major news item for most of the country, at most it was briefly mentioned on the news. But whenever something happens to an AirTran aircraft, the media nevers fails to mention that AirTran used to be known as Valujet. As for AirTran today, they are just a little bit larger than Valujet was prior to 592. They serve a few more cities, have about the same size fleet, but have changed there gameplan in the industry. They still focus on budget-minded consumers, and now also focus on budget-minded companies looking for affordable business travel. AirTran essentially pioneered Business Class on low-fare carriers. Their future is looking bright, but if the economic conditions we are currently in keep up, AirTran will start to feel the crunch that the majors are feeling now. So PIT-LGA didn't work out, and PIT-PHL isn't doing so hot, the economy has affected them as well, but not to the point that they will defer deliveries (again) and furlough staff and cut cities. Once the economy picks back up, AirTran will start to grow once again.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4467 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

Srbmod: AMEN! I was just about to write essentially the same post you did.

Our forum's Delta partisans don't seem to like the fact that AirTran happens to hold its own quite well against the Atlanta Family of high-fare La Aerea Nostra.

Delta doesn't seem to like it either, and now that the UA-US merger has fallen through, they don't have to play nice anymore. So they're turning nasty. This past month Delta suddenly started MD-80 service on the utterly uneconomical Atlanta-Akron route, as is widely known at this forum. That route has never, and unless Akron suddenly becomes Microsoft's new headquarters, will never support mainline high-fare service to Atlanta. The move is purely predatory.

Fortunately, unlike the last 20 years, DOJ no longer seems to be asleep at the switch. When a conservative AG like Ashcroft rules UA-US incompatible with antitrust law, a new wind is blowing. AirTran has alerted the Feds on the pathetically obvious DL ATL-CAK move, so we may be hearing from them sometime in the near future.

As for AirTran having the cash to fight recent predatory Delta fare assaults, good for AirTran! Success in the marketplace builds more financial strength to stay competitive. It's called capitalism.

Jim


User currently offlineSkyymarc From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

I believe the future looks very bright for AirTran. AirTran has achieved 10 consecutive profitable quarters and is now being listed on the NYSE. Growth has been slow in 2001 but in an uncertain economy now is not the time to add prestige to the route map. I believe that within the next two years you will see either a merger with another carrier or longer range aircraft such as 737NG or 757 in the fleet bringing AirTran to the west coast. AirTran is playing it smart with slow growth but analysts believe they are in a great postion to capitalize on the current economy. Cost concsious travellers are streaching the travel dollar as far as it can go and AirTran helps them do it. So much so that the city of Pensacola FL (PNS) has tried to lure them away from Ft. Walton Beach, FL (VPS) to help stimulate local growth with competative air service. Bravo to AirTran for fighting the good fight.

User currently offlineMCOtoATL From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 474 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

Having lived in Atlanta and now Orlando (HQ for Airtran,) I am well familiar with the fact that many consider them to be Airtran.

On the other hand, flight 592 may have taught all of us osme lessons, so I thnk it is incredibly naieve to assume that Airtran has the same flaws as its predecessor.

First, there is different management, better labor relations, new aircraft, and an attention to safety (although some will argue that last point.)

On the other hand, I do not feel that the media "concocted" bad stories about Valuejet. In fact, prior to 592, there were numersou safety problems with Valuejet that were well reported in the media (at least in the southeast.) After the Alaska Air accident over the Pacific, the media was all over them. But a fine airline with strong safety will rise above it, as Alaska did. valuejet could not. It's hard to hide your sins when light is being thrust upon you.

I agree with many of you that DL hates Airtran, and that it (DL) will do anything to get ride of them, although maybe not to the completely unethical and illegal methods that AA has used to thwart the competition.


User currently offlineMCOtoATL From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 474 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Having lived in Atlanta and now Orlando (HQ for Airtran,) I am well familiar with the fact that many consider them to be Airtran.

On the other hand, flight 592 may have taught all of us osme lessons, so I thnk it is incredibly naieve to assume that Airtran has the same flaws as its predecessor.

First, there is different management, better labor relations, new aircraft, and an attention to safety (although some will argue that last point.)

On the other hand, I do not feel that the media "concocted" bad stories about Valuejet. In fact, prior to 592, there were numersou safety problems with Valuejet that were well reported in the media (at least in the southeast.) After the Alaska Air accident over the Pacific, the media was all over them. But a fine airline with strong safety will rise above it, as Alaska did. valuejet could not. It's hard to hide your sins when light is being thrust upon you.

I agree with many of you that DL hates Airtran, and that it (DL) will do anything to get ride of them, although maybe not to the completely unethical and illegal methods that AA has used to thwart the competition. Airtran, however, has argued that Delta is not playing fair, and they may be on to something (I don't know.)

On the other hand, while people will tell Delta that they should relax because capitalism allows airlines like Airtran to find its niche, is it not also capitalism for Dela to try to go head to head with Airtran on unprofitable margins? I would question the ethics of such a move, but a company is lookig out for itself and for stockholders, so they do what they have to do (as sleazy as wwe may find it.)



User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4467 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

Some Delta supporters, I've noticed, rarely shrink from either a) calling to mind ValuJet 592 by innuendo; or b) outright trying to smear AirTran with that flight. Those of us who recognize that AirTran is not only a high-quality low-fare airline, but as safe as any other, get a little tired of the constant innuendo and smears.

I do believe there was a coordinated smear campaign in the media against ValuJet, probably helped out by friendly phone calls from the Air Transport Association or folks within the Cartel-Six. Yes, there were problems at ValuJet, but after the 592 crash it seemed like there were stories all over questioning the safety of low-fare airlines in general. Never mind the hard NTSB data--low-fare carriers have a better safety record than the majors. Southwest, for example, has never had a fatality, and People Express never had one either.

And also let's not forget that Delta and Continental were using SabreTech, the same contractor that blindsided ValuJet! That inconvenient fact is often left out, I've noticed.

I'm not accusing you of perpetuating that, MCOtoATL, please don't get me wrong. But there wouldn't be low fares in America without airlines like Southwest and AirTran, there are a lot of folks out there with an interest in taking those low fares away from us to protect their high-fare gravy train.

Jim


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3788 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

The recent (and, IMO, long overdue) reversal of fortunes for the U.S. full-service majors, while AirTran and Southwest continued to post strong earnings, may well be a sign of the times which airlines will do well to heed.

While the full-service majors built their houses of cards on the tenuous assumptions that their dependence on the extreme, ever-widening disparities of their price-gouging and fire sale fare strategies could be sustained, and that fuel prices would continue at the low levels of the mid to late '90s, AirTran, Southwest and others stayed with their game plans of reasonable, equitable (if not always the lowest) pricing, sensible growth, maintaining high employee morale, and keeping costs under control.

The succinct words of Thom Nulty, president of the Navigant travel agency are a most insightful thought on the fallout from the pricing practices of the U.S. full-service majors: "I see a house of cards falling apart" (from an article titled "Businesses fed up with high fares" in USA Today, August 14, 2001 edition).

The cause of the present state of the U.S. full-service majors is without precedent. Never before have these airlines posted significant losses while average load factors have remained robust, at around 70%. But then never before had the same airlines become so utterly dependent upon pricing disparaties, the degree of which made their eventual collapse certain.

Therefore, the actions that U.S. full-service majors will need to take may also be unprecedented. They may even need to go so far as to implicitly acknowledge that "Herb (Kelleher) is right!" (and so is AirTran) by simplifying their services and pricing their services in an equitable manner.

AirTran, Southwest and others like them are well-positioned for the present and future because, unlike the U.S. full-service majors, their basic game plans do not need to be altered (perhaps drastically for the other majors) to be successful in the aftermath of the collapsed house of cards caused by inattention of the U.S. full-service majors to the signs of the times and basic reality.









User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

IMHO the sucess of Airtran can be contributed to Lewis Jordan & Robert Priddy along with the current leadership of Joe Leonard.

Jordan and Priddy had a great idea, they stuck with it, and established a great route structure building up their tressure chest of money. When the incident occured, they were able to ride it out restructure and merge.

The marriage of FL and J7 was unique as there was very little in common with the two carriers.

FL opperated a point to point network into cities outside the major cities a'la Southwest. Cites like Stewart, Long Island Islip etc... J7's business model was a hub and spoke system on the east coast based in ATL. With the retirement of the last 737 just around the corner, the majority of the old FL will be gone.

Joe Leonard has brought FL threw 10 consectiuve quarters of profit. He Came to FL from AlliedSignal now Honeywell, a major contractor of the 717. He was well seasoned in aviation comming from Eastern and Northwest, and he assembled an EXCELLENT mgt team.

Bob Fonaro from NW and USAir

Tommy Kalil who returend to the company recently as senior vice presidnet of customer service formally with Continental

Steve Kolski Former COO of ConEX

Kevin Healy former Director of prciing for USAir
now VP of planning

the list goes on.

With a good leadership team of geniuses from other carrierse, FL can grow on other airlines weakensses.


PIT-LGA is being stoped, and we will see what the USAir maffiioso does to prices on that route.



User currently offlineMCOtoATL From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 474 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

I agree totally with what you said (except one minor part, but I will get to that later.) I also appreciate the responses and insight that yougive without being critical of those who disagree with you.

I have flown Airtran and I like them a lot. Like you, I never compare them to Valuejet. They have new management and a completely new corporate culture. We all learn from mistakes.

I also totally agree that the low-fare carriers like Southwest, Frontier, now jetBlue, Airtran, etc... have greatly helped the flying public. I root for the underdog in most cases, so I really hope that they do well, and I get tired of the tactics used by the Big 6.


My one minor disagreement with you deals with the medias coverage of Valuejet and 592. I spent many many years in TV Broadcasting, including a Top-10 market. I actually left because of some of the "liberal bias" I noticed going on. I worked in TV when the Valuejet crahs happened. Did the TV networks want to purposely drive an airline out of business? No. On the other hand, were some of their stories shortsided and void of some facts? Absolutely.

We obviously are airline fanatics and know far more the general public. It upsets us when the media fails to cover things accurately. But let's face it, unles syou do a lot of research, the media is the only way we know about politicians, political actions, etc... Not to start a political debate, but I have seen the media say things about President Bush (whom I am not ahuge fan of, but I just want things to be air) that are based on their own agendas, and not on educating the public.

Anyway, sorry for that tirade. The media jumps on a bandwagon and will do whatever it takes to satiate what they perceive to be interest in the story. But then it slowly fades away.

Back to Airtran, I hope they do well, and I think that they will. Especially with the 717, I would not hesitate to fly them.



User currently offlinePgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

Just some FYI for you all: AirTran is adding a fourth daily PIT-ATL flight on Oct 4th announced today.

pgh234


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4467 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

That's been a beef of mine for years, MCOtoATL, about how the media often don't get aviation matters right. I'm very thankful for the Airliners news and forum, because I can get news from a lot of sources, and well-informed cross-checking from other forum members. Also AviationNow from AvWeek is a very good source.

Regarding ValuJet, any possible Big 6 skulduggery aside, the media do like a dramatic story. That probably explained at least some of the dog-pile effect I saw in the months after 592. The father of a college friend of mine at home in Rochester, an Air Force pilot, wound up writing a long column in the Rochester paper rebutting the media's very negative and inaccurate 1996 coverage of low-fare carriers. I've had a couple columns in the Rochester paper the last couple of years about low-fare air service. We fanatics need to stay close to our keyboards. :+)

I hope you can find a good job elsewhere in broadcasting...there is lots of liberal bias in the media, and balance is much needed. Bush does get unfair treatment; the constant portrayals of him as dumb get grating after awhile. He's got two strikes--conservative Republican and even worse, from a Southern state--not someone the East Coast media elite tend to view favorably. Yet he gave the most intelligent speech any president has given on a human-life related issue (the stem cell speech, and I didn't even agree with all of it!)

Also, it's worth making clear that I don't begrudge Delta pax or employees loyalty to their airline--it's just the disinformation and/or innuendo about AirTran to which I object.

Jim


User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

I spoke with Dan Ronan the former CNN "aviation expert" who botches things up about their lack of respect for airtran, and the answer i got which shocked me that he actually said it was basicly Delta took years to build the ATL market, and a little airline like Airtran has only been around for less then 10 thus didnt deserve the respect delta got. I could not beleive my ears. But listiening to CNN's reports, remember this is the network that for an hour called the Alaska Air MD-80 accident a 737 and was CONVINCEED it was another rudder related problem even having pictures of the 737, and showing other 737 accidnets.

User currently offlineMCOtoATL From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 474 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

Again, I totally agree with your analysis. The media will take a story and run variations of it until it gets old. As someone who live sin Florida, I am well aware of fairly frequent shark attacks. Now, because it is a "hot story," anytime a shark goes anywhere near a human, the media jumps on it. This drives aquatics experts crazy, because we are simply causing panioc and hatred towards the sharks.

John Nance of ABC News is a good airline expert. He has written several great airline novels, plus a great history of Braniff (he used to be a pilot for them.) In fact, the other networks have experts, many of whom are quite good. But they are brought in for technical analysis, and not overall airline matters.

All airlines have some sort of problems, and they are all rather isolate duntil the uninformed media tries to create a pattern, which is what they did with Valuejet. Again, I will say that Valujet did have some big safety issues and some maintenance problems, but none were linked together, and honestly, most were not that different than other carriers experience (except for the fact that they are not being looked at through a TV lens all the time.)

By the way, I chose to leave the broadcasting industry to follow a "higher" call into ministry. Go figure.


User currently offlineCritter592 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

I agree that Valujet did have alot of maintenance problems and some were very serious, but look at it on this side. After one accident, or maintenance problem, the problem never happened again. It always turned out that they were missing something. The biggest problem of all had to be wiring in their aircraft. the DC9s had Bad Wiring. But Gosh Darnit, Valujet was the best little airline out there (along with Southwest) and that little critter was strong... But after that crash, the press started beating the critter to hell, and he finally entered critical condition. Unfortunately, he did not survive and died in January of 1997. He will be missed by many aviation fans. Did you know that Lewis Jordan and Robert Priddy still work for Airtran. They are just in the lower level functionaries of the airline, but I have talked to people who have frequently seen Jordan on many flights. My cousin told me one story where a passenger came up and sat next to Lewis, and instead of criticizing him and beating him up, they had a lengthy conversation about Valujet, and how the press beat that airline to hell. If not for CNN and the other assholes of the media, Valujet might still be flying today with all 717s in their Livery. so Airtran is just Valujet under a new name, new management, and without the mascot. Still the Fun, Friendly crews. I think Airtran is very good, and would fly them anyday. We all must remember the past, but we must not let the press affect our own opinions.

User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1361 times:


Yes crazy how manic and destructive the press can be at times, no matter who or what may be goading it on. Even after 592 and all the 'expose' documentaries and whatever else ad nauseum, it still was pretty clear to me that a lot of people got a lot of good service with ValuJet, and were more than prepared to keep flying with them.

Anyway it's good to see Airtran doing okay, particularly given the slow market conditions, and even though they had to go through with the name change and and whatever other hassles were brought on by all the media hounding.


User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

I think FL summed it up best with one of their wonderful advertisments. with the economy the way it is, Dont Fly Less just PAY LESS

User currently offlineCritter592 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1348 times:

L1011 in the forums told me personally that he would have flown Valujet ANYTIME. He loved it. Just ask him yourself. As for me... If they would have been flying from anywhere near me at the time, You can bet your a** I would have been on them. I think they provided good service.

If you guys visit http://www.flight592.com you will find a webmaster who mourns the deaths (As do I) but takes the s*** a little too far on blaming people. I think this webmaster was one of the press members who likes to vent his anger a little too much. He even told me personally he is not a family member, but wants the public to know something. This guy is a total a**hole, and after I emailed him asking him to take off the obscenity, he snapped back at me... Some of the obscenitys are listed below...

Lies and Bashes found on the www.flight592.com website:

1. Because the name was damaged beyond repair, ValuJet acquires AirTran Airlines and a new name. In related stories, OJ Simpson and Charles Manson attempt to change their names also.

2. Despite open criminal investigations, Jordan celebrates the FAA's return of ValuJet's operating certificate. It was as if Jordan had thrown a beer bash to celebrate the return of his rescinded driver's license after a drunk driving conviction. -z-

3. Jordan throws a pathetic return to service celebration.

4. By naming oxygen generators as the cause of the fire, this allowed the NTSB to shift some of the blame to SabreTech, ValuJet's subcontractor. It has long been the mandate of the FAA to promote aviation, and by this action, regulators gave ValuJet a target to deflect blame away from them, thereby appearing to reduce their ultimate responsibility. The ValuJet spin machine took over from there, and now a significant percentage of the flying public actually believe that SabreTech placed the oxygen generators on the plane, and that ValuJet was simply a victim in this horrid affair. Regardless, it is an incontrovertable fact that ValuJet ordered SabreTech to return the oxygen generators to them, and ValuJet ramp agents loaded the oxygen generators on board Flight 592.

All of these and more can be found on this link
http://www.flight592.com/slideshow/index.html


User currently offlineCritter592 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

JetSpotter

The title of the post is FUTURE OF AIRTRAN,... Not WHAT IS YOUR OPINION OF AIRTRAN AND DELTA. I Suggest if all you have to say about Airtran is trash, then GET OUT!!!!!


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1227 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Hmmmmm.....Delays, dirty planes, poor service and stupid liverys'. Well that pretty much sums up my fifteen years of Delta experiences. What is that, new/old new/semi-old/formerly new but now kind of only sorta old livery they are using on some but not all or maybe a few of their planes now.........

GO AIRTRAN GO AIRTRAN GO AIRTRAN

By the way, did I say GO AIRTRAN!!!!!!!


User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

Flight592.com made me sick... THe person on there lost someone in the accident, but what could have been a great web page as a tribue to them was unfortuantly discredited by calling Jordan a murderer and cmparng him to someone that lost their licence in a DUI and got it back. I posted in there, and was accused of throwing salt on the wounds.. I work with people daily that wre firends of the crew. Mr. Jordan I know took the crash personally, Look at his pictures before and after the crash, he has a certain look about him now that he is constantly sorry for the loss of lives. I know we are getting off the subject here, sorry

PS... A DL aircraft Atlanta-Portland made an emergancy ladning today anyone in ATL hear about it on the news?


User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

I just took a look at that "memorial" and almost got physically sick. What started out as a possible goof thing to do was turned into a "Let's bash VJ and AT and spare nothing in the process" site. I posted something in there, and in it, I posted this:

I was just referred to this "site" from another aviation site. I was told that there were things being said here that are not needed, but checked anyway.

I can say that I find your anti-AirTran comments very unnerving. Do you think that ValuJet WANTED this to happen? Geez. I flew ValuJet DTW-ATL-TPA just DAYS before the accident, and I have never had better service from ANY airline.

Now that ValuJet is AirTran, and now flies out of FNT instead of DTW, when I go there to spot, and there is a flight arriving or departing, it is usually full, and if not, very close. They must be doing SOMETHING right, don't you think?

Regarding what was said about the problems with the DC-9's, yeah. I'd probably be scared outta my pants. But that could happen on ANY airplane, on ANY airline, at ANY time. Don't think that NW, DL, UA, AA, or any of the others is immune to accidents.

Yes. It was tragic. Yes. Some people are responsible. But my god people. If I were to fall victim to something like this, the last thing I would want people doing is post CRAP like I see on here. I'd be looking down from heaven and trying not to puke..

Chris

And YES! AirTran is a GREAT airline, and I would consider it a priveledge to fly on them.



Flaps wrote:

Hmmmmm.....Delays, dirty planes, poor service and stupid liverys'. Well that pretty much sums up my fifteen years of Delta experiences. What is that, new/old new/semi-old/formerly new but now kind of only sorta old livery they are using on some but not all or maybe a few of their planes now.........

GO AIRTRAN GO AIRTRAN GO AIRTRAN

By the way, did I say GO AIRTRAN!!!!!!!



Way to go man, I think that sums it up. Most of the time when I see a DL a/c at DTW, it looks like it flew through a mud puddle and didn't bother to wash after.. And what airline has SOOOO many liveries, and can't decide on just one?

Anyway, I agree with Flaps:

GO AIRTRAN x10!

Chris




Lets do some sexy math. We add you, subtract your clothes, divide your legs and multiply
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

This flight592.com website needs to be shutdown. I'm all for a memorial to the victims and their survivors, but this webmaster has gone over the top. I think showing pictures of the recovery of the bodies definitely is in bad taste, and corrupting the Valujet logo (which is a copyrighted image) and Critter (also a copyrighted image) shows a general lack of respect for the dead. This site also has copyrighted photos posted that do not give any credit to the photographer or media outlet that produced the image. And the accusations this guy makes and his demands that the investigation be reopened does nothing for the victims' families but reopen old wounds that they have been trying to achieve closure. It doesn't matter who is to blame for the crash, Valujet, SabreTech, or the FAA, it won't bring those 109 unfortunate victims back to life. This guy needs to quit living in the past and get on with his life.

25 Travatl : Srbmod - There were 110 on board. One lap child. Travis
26 JetSpotter : I do agree however, that the flight 592 website is horrible. What kind of person is the webmaster?
27 Wilcharl : SHE is a real meany
28 Critter592 : You guys agree with me huh? I told you it was HORRIBLE. I know that Lewis Jordan is very sorry for what happened, but Noooooooo... People like this st
29 Wilcharl : I am going to mention the webpage to some people at MCO. I see copyright infringment lible/slander (i always get the 2 mixed up) and other things goin
30 Critter592 : Good Going Wilcharl. I am glad you are doing that. Please let us know with any further results that you get.
31 Critter592 : Just tryin to keep the post up there so others can reply
32 Critter592 : Does anyone else have anything to say?
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