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10 Most Innovative Airlines  
User currently offlineRJA321 From Jordan, joined Mar 2009, 66 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 25191 times:

Interesting read about the 10 most 'innovative' airlines in the world, which surprisingly does not include EK.

Links:

http://www.airlinetrends.com/

http://www.cnngo.com/explorations/es...novative-airlines-announced-436301


Hurry up, before we all come to our senses!
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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 25173 times:

Air New Zealand should be there for the sky-couch alone.


Someone repaint ZK-PBG!
User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 25071 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 1):

Air New Zealand should be there for the sky-couch alone.

I was gonna post the same. Reading the articles gave me the impression that the judgement may have been a bit subjective. In which case, to each their own I suppose.



'What's it doing now?'
User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24919 times:

Some really surprising airlines there, like BA or DL for instance.

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 2):
to each their own I suppose.

  


User currently offlineSingaporeAir777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24738 times:

Haha Seriously? Delta? AirAsia? Sure I can understand Delta maybe, but AirAsia? 0_0


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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24724 times:

well out of that list of 10 I've only flown with BA to BDA and wasn't impressed with them never flown with them since.!

I would have with some pride put EK, and NZ in there somewhere, both I've flown on and would rate them 1000 % more then BA!

I will fly with Air Asia X in Aug too Langkawi not expecting much from a LCC though.  

and as for 'Air Baltic' what have they done that is better then the likes of the best in the world??!!



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2269 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 24348 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 5):
I would have with some pride put EK, and NZ in there somewhere, both I've flown on and would rate them 1000 % more then BA!

Just cause they're better doesn't mean they're more innovative.


Anyway, I agree with the choices in the article. Some are dubious, perhaps, but they seem ok to me.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 5):
and as for 'Air Baltic' what have they done that is better then the likes of the best in the world??!!

Again, it doesn't have to be better. If Ryanair would introduce standing-up seats they'd make the list.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 23999 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 6):
Again, it doesn't have to be better. If Ryanair would introduce standing-up seats they'd make the list.

Ryanair (and to a lesser extent Easyjet) ought to be on that list anyway, for creating a pan European short haul giant, for flying to and from airports never used by scheduled flights before, for despeccing the flying experence and for driving down the basic cost of flying



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User currently offlineaircanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 23813 times:

Air Canada should have been in there too. they were the first airline to introduce AVOD ptv on their embraer and crj705
ordering brand new 777-200LR and 777-300ER at the same time plus ordering 787s.


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 23675 times:

How can you have a "top 10 most innovative airlines" list which does not include Ryanair ?
All the airlines featured in this list are ones which are deemed to have improved seating catering or whatever, all of which comes at a price. Meanwhile Ryanair has headed in the opposite direction where you receive nothing more than a seat for your ticket price and everything else is extra. To my mind they have done more for the travelling public than this "top 10" ever will


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 23506 times:

What did these ten pay to be on that list.

When Ryanair offered flights for 99cent (OK about 10€ after all), that was innovative. You may think of them what you want, but FR is more innovative than the ten lethargy carriers on that list together.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 23479 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 10):
When Ryanair offered flights for 99cent

Actually, I happily remember flying, e.g., STN-SVQ-STN and STN-DUB-STN for 2p all-in. Those were the days...    



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJCS From Netherlands, joined Jun 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 23403 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 10):
When Ryanair offered flights for 99cent (OK about 10€ after all), that was innovative. You may think of them what you want, but FR is more innovative than the ten lethargy carriers on that list together.

Definately not, it's just targeting on price.

It requires some cheaper airports (which I dislike because of bad public transport connections) and it goes with dozens of extra charges & the most horrible booking process imaginable.

I am proud to have never flown with Ryanair (although have booked some flights with them for others).

Talking about LCCs; easyjet is... easy. They have come-up with some interesting things hence their booking process.


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 23305 times:

Quoting JCS (Reply 12):
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 10):When Ryanair offered flights for 99cent (OK about 10€ after all), that was innovative. You may think of them what you want, but FR is more innovative than the ten lethargy carriers on that list together.
Definately not, it's just targeting on price.

Ryanair definitely is innovative, airline marketing executives spent decades telling customers that they wanted baffling fare structures which included Saturday night stays, return trips which were only 5% more expensive than a single fare, inclusive catering, frequent flier programmes and such like. Ryanair asked the flying public if they wanted cheap fares with zero frills and 60 million passengers per year in Europe replied "thats just the service we want"


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 23275 times:

What does innovative mean?

1. Featuring new methods; advanced and original.
2.(of a person) Introducing new ideas; original and creative in thinking: "an innovative thinker".

Clearly, FR and MOL and EZY and Stellios, for example, fall into that category. Likewise, say, an airline that develops a brand-new product.

[Edited 2012-06-28 04:36:22]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJCS From Netherlands, joined Jun 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22633 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
spent decades

Simple past.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
What does innovative mean?

1. Featuring new methods; advanced and original.
2.(of a person) Introducing new ideas; original and creative in thinking: "an innovative thinker".

Completely agree.

I think FR made a nice trick which has it good & bad, but FR is now just exploiting it and remains 0.0 % innovative. Instead of for example -already called- Easyjet.

On top of that FR is trying to defend & exploit its way of working by playing the media (against 'legacy carriers'); which I find a rather conservative all-time method in which nothing new is added. Popular media stories just highlight obvious price-differences to jump into quick conclusions. The "quick" is important for FR, because when taking time to think it's not so much the first choice anymore. Start to think of some of the full-service options which offer 1.500 km flights for 100 euro only (mainly thanks to for example Easyjet also connecting main hubs) with full luggage, snack, recline, good airports, not too much spam in your face, nice websites, customer service, innovative options, etc. etc.

The only good thing by FR is some smaller airfields get connected & more directions are possible. But nowadays that's what we call expansion rather then innovatioon.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22546 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 15):
RYANAIR is not an Airline....is a FLYING CIRCUS

Ups, never seen elphants aboard an FR plane, but it that were true that really would be an innovation - compared to Delft Blue porcelain genever served since decades in C which makes KL score on that list...


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22339 times:

Quoting JCS (Reply 16):
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
spent decades

Simple past

Sorry, but where did I put "spent decades"? Nowhere.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22218 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
Clearly, FR and MOL and EZY and Stellios, for example, fall into that category

Were they not just the first to jump on the deregulation band wagon.

Wasn't exactly hard was it.

The legacies were caught on the back foot and were hardly fast moving.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
Likewise, say, an airline that develops a brand-new product.

Like flat-beds.

Can't remember who it was that introduced them but they have certainly been a hit with airlines the world over.



Flying is like sex - I've never had all I wanted but occasionally I've had all I can stand.
User currently offlineStarGuy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22218 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 15):

It a flying circus that just happens to have turned over a €503m profit in an industry and area of the world that is in huge financial trouble. They are obviously doing something right despite their perceived flaws.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22218 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 18):
Were they not just the first to jump on the deregulation band wagon.

One thing to "jump on the deregulation band wagon." Quite another to revolutionise a continent by changing the status quo.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJCS From Netherlands, joined Jun 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21795 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 17):
Sorry, but where did I put "spent decades"? Nowhere.

"spent decades" = Bongodog1964

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 19):
They are obviously doing something right despite their perceived flaws.

Getting subsidized. source

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 16):
Ups, never seen elphants aboard an FR plane, but it that were true that really would be an innovation - compared to Delft Blue porcelain genever served since decades in C which makes KL score on that list...

Referring to KL which is a complete different business case is quite a step. I prefer to compare FR to Easyjet. Why don't you take them -or another LCC- as a benchmark instead of believing those popular talk about 'legacy' and 'new' carriers?

[Edited 2012-06-28 05:49:49]

User currently offline777klm From China, joined Apr 2005, 527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21630 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 16):
compared to Delft Blue porcelain genever served since decades in C which makes KL score on that list...

KL however, is innovative when it comes to the use of social media in both marketing and service.



Next flight: AMS-PEK
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 21440 times:

Quoting JCS (Reply 21):
prefer to compare FR to Easyjet.

Despite your belief that EZY is "more innovative" than FR, which it probably is, EZY's operating performance isn't superior. However, it has certainly grown its own operating result, but then so has FR.

FR's operating result / margin (per Flightglobal Pro and converted into USD from EUR):

2011: $944m; 15.6%
2010: $647m; 13.5%
2009: $568m; 13.5%
2008: $130m; 3.1%
2007: $767m; 19.8%
2006: $609m; 21.1%
2005: $457m; 21.8%
2004: $409m; 24.9%.

EZY's operating result / margin (per Flightglobal Pro and converted into USD from GBP):

2011: $433m; 7.8%
2010: $270m; 5.8%
2009: $92m; 2.3%
2008: $179m; 3.9%
2007: $340m; 9.6%
2006: $212m; 7.3%
2005: $122m; 4.9%
2004: $91m; 4.6%

[Edited 2012-06-28 06:14:46]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJCS From Netherlands, joined Jun 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 21277 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 23):
what's the point of it if it doesn't bring superior financial results?



One point is that the right airline is to be given the title "innovative" in a thread about innovativity.

Moreover: innovative Easyjet could have implemented Ryanair's tricks on top of what they do and vice verse.

[Edited 2012-06-28 06:16:43]

25 Burkhard : Because in the end all I want is that I have something to do at a far away location, so have to be transported a) from a convenient location reachabl
26 JCS : That's an accurate description of choices. Unfortunately it has nothing to do with an airline being innovative.
27 Burkhard : Innovation for me means: Lowering the prices Improving punctuality Keeping high safety standards without compromize Opening of new airports and new re
28 trent1000 : Why isn't LH in the top 10?? Reasons: introducing the B747-8. AFAIK no other airline besides LH has a seat as well as a bed in F. Yes, EK for on board
29 mpdpilot : But if you read the article that isn't even close to what they define as innovative. They say outside the box thinking. Which based on their list mea
30 airways45 : Some ideas as to what i've seen as innovative: British Airways: first lie-flat seat in Club World. Now copied but they deserve the credit Virgin Atlan
31 mogandoCI : Does QR@DOH have a separate dedicated business class terminal ?
32 eurowings : Alaska Airlines in 1999 and in 2010 Ryanair was the first airline to require that all passengers check-in online.
33 planejamie : I agree with the top three on that list without a doubt: Korean Air, well as explained in the article they have done so many new things, perhaps the m
34 juantrippe82 : The horror........The horror....
35 horstroad : agreed. but there are other things that would qualify LH for this list. for example looking for options to taxi without engines running, experimentin
36 1stfl94 : I think this is quite a subjective list based on 2012 criteria. Bear in mind that U2 and FR basically changed the entire face of European flying by of
37 Fiedman : Alot of you put down Ryanair and Easyjet but how can you forget Southwest Airlines they basicly if not invented but perfected the modern LCC point to
38 Post contains images LostSound : I had no idea VX & Span Air gave people christmas presents on the luggage carousels before. That's a really neat and clever move. Wonder if they s
39 coopdogyo : Alaska probably would be a good candidate for this list. They have done a lot of innovative stuff from their new check in area at SEA to their 20 minu
40 aeroblogger : I think the honor of most innovative airline should go to IR. How they've managed to maintain their aircraft even with all the sanctions on the countr
41 Sheridan125 : How about BEA who pioneered turbine engined flights with the Viscount and pioneered blind landings with the Trident in the 1960's. True innovations wh
42 southwest737500 : Where is WN They are a real LCC airline Free bags,no change fee, Great FF program no black out dates, flight attendants are very entertaining,
43 connies4ever : Not only that, first to introduce check-in kiosks, for which AC received an award. Now standard across the industry. Not part of the in-flight experi
44 Coronado : Strange they did not mention Delta's Wifi program. The entire domestic mainline fleet, all 200+ 2 class rj's are wifi equipped and within 2 years the
45 Viscount724 : If memory correct, TWA had inflight movies on 707s before Pan Am.
46 huaiwei : That's quite a sweeping statement, for almost each one of these airlines have been known to be innovative in one way or another. Now if this list is
47 mayor : Actually, what it means is that the pax won't have to trudge down to the baggage office, which is always in baggage claim, just to see where their ba
48 ghifty : Delta definitely belongs on that list. It's a list of innovative airlines, not luxurious airlines or the best ones. They've seen a lot of change in t
49 Mir : Which is handy, but the rest of their mobile app, at least for iOS, just isn't up to par. The prevalence of WiFi on their aircraft, though, is defini
50 QatarA340 : Its Premium Terminal for First and Business together. You wont see an economy passenger anywhere in sight. Excuse me? EK, QR, and EY have the newest
51 Viscount724 : I'm afraid not. Dozens of airlines were offering hot meals for decades before SQ even existed.
52 huaiwei : You wil have to take it up with one Mr Martin Roll who wrote the book "Asian Brand Strategy: How Asia Builds Strong Brands". Perhaps he meant "hot me
53 Semaex : Very strange list. I agree with a lot of the posters before. Even though FR isn't my preferred way of travel, it belongs to this list by the meaning
54 mikey72 : It has always baffled me why SQ are in Star Alliance given the assistance they recieved in setting up shop from BOAC and Qantas Empire Airways. (of t
55 aviasian : And I thought April 1 was long gone ... KC Sim
56 huaiwei : Neo-colonialism is still in vogue or what? Airlines align themselves due to business considerations, not to romanticise some “ancient” ties.
57 mikey72 : But what benefit did Star have over Oneworld when the alliances were created ? I just would of thought the past strong ties would have swung it. The
58 connies4ever : Regarding all of the above, AC (then Trans-Canada Airlines) beat all listed entries. I can clearly recall back in the 50's having a hot breakfast on
59 huaiwei : What benefit would SQ obtain from Oneworld, when three of its bitter rivals are in that alliance compared to only one in Star? If there is an airline
60 Post contains images Pe@rson : You contradicted yourself. If it were "a real LCC", it wouldn't have such attributes - given the pure model doesn't.
61 beechtobus : I seem to remember a plaque from my younger days near Stapleton Airport's D Concourse commending Frontier 1 for inventing the modern hub and spoke sys
62 mikey72 : You can't change the past, let's face it, we'd all be at it. It is quite an interesting concept. You get on a SQ aircraft and it is an accurate repre
63 connies4ever : Some of the North Stars were F only (IIRC 40F), and some were Y (again IIRC 50Y). I can't recall any mixed F/Y but that doesn't mean there weren't an
64 mayor : Perhaps, considering the title, he was referring to Asia? Hard to consider them "innovative" when their basic business model is taken from WN. SQ was
65 mikey72 : How could they be in anything before they existed ?
66 mayor : Before WHO existed? Well, according to Wiki, this was the "alliance".........not the one I mentioned, although I could swear it was. "The airline has
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