wilco737 From Greenland, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 8539 posts, RR: 78 Reply 2, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 45285 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1): How many 8is have been delivered to LH?
Only 1: D-ABYA, but D-ABYC will follow soon. It was planned end of June, but slightly delayed.
AlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 223 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 44880 times:
LH seems to only have scheduled 74H flights FRA-IAD until end of October. After this date it shows 744. Does anyone know when LH will update the system with more 74H flights? And the new services to LAX ORD DEL BLR to be operated by the 74H?
wilco737 From Greenland, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 8539 posts, RR: 78 Reply 4, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 44829 times:
wilco737 From Greenland, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 8539 posts, RR: 78 Reply 6, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 44704 times:
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Quoting na (Reply 5): Lets hope so, as I´m flying to India again in a few months time.
Yes, we hope so as well. And hopefully the next frames show up on time in FRA...
bikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1628 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 44602 times:
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 4): Once the next airplane arrives, rumors say it will fly to DEL daily... But not confirmed.
ual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 540 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 43999 times:
warden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 434 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 43980 times:
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 6): Yes, we hope so as well. And hopefully the next frames show up on time in FRA...
Forgive me if this has been asked for and/or you're not allowed to answer, but have you done any -8i flights yet?
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 43816 times:
D-ABYC just departed (02.01 PDT) Paine Field (KPAE) towards Frankfurt (EDDF).
After arriving at FRA/EDDF the aircraft will be scheduled for Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM) at Lufthansa Technik, before entering commercial operation in a few weeks time.
Full aircraft data :
L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, , Lufthansa #3, full livery, D-ABYC, F/F June-07-2012, Acceptance date June-30-2012, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date July-01-2012.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 13, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 43248 times:
Did RC004 deliver on 29 June? If it did, then it should fly away to a mod shop today (2 July).
RC558 has a B-3 flight scheduled for today. She is supposed to be delivered on 13 July. There are three more deliveries scheduled for July: freighters for TLS and NCA, and DLH's 3rd 747-8i.
starrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1083 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 43151 times:
Sending five 747's on their way should clear up some space at the airfield.
It still looks like the 747 deliveries are going to outpace the 787 deliveries.
Also an interesting picture of RC601, one of the early produced airframes, now in refurbishment for delivery, emerged on Matt Cawby's KPAE blog.
In this picture RC601 is visible in building 40-24. The aircraft is jacked for stress relief at both wing roots and at the tail.
Is this done to change some (structural) wing root or fuselage parts to increase the operating weights and/or OEW reduction ?
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 42797 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 15): Also an interesting picture of RC601, one of the early produced airframes, now in refurbishment for delivery, emerged on Matt Cawby's KPAE blog.
In this picture RC601 is visible in building 40-24. The aircraft is jacked for stress relief at both wing roots and at the tail.
Is this done to change some (structural) wing root or fuselage parts to increase the operating weights and/or OEW reduction ?
Just a guess, but RC601 might be jacked up for a gear swing test.
She should be emerging from the 40-24 this weekend, and then the 40-24 will only be used as the 787 surge line for the foreseeable future.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 41923 times:
Due KPAE Runway 16R/34L closure (final phase of runway rehabilitation project) from July 03 - 04.00PM till July 09 08.00AM we will (probably) see no deliveries in the next few days.
ZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3258 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 41874 times:
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 21, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 41663 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 19): Is that a B52 in that picture? What does it do at Everett?
Sits there and does very little.
Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 20): B-52 belongs to Museum of Flight.
I think, technically, it still belongs to the USAF, but it's definitely under the care of the Museum of Flight restoration group. Last time I went around it nobody was doing any work so it may be a future project for them.
KDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 41636 times:
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 21): I think, technically, it still belongs to the USAF, but it's definitely under the care of the Museum of Flight restoration group. Last time I went around it nobody was doing any work so it may be a future project for them.
A little off topic but there is a second museum B-52 at the USAF Museum at Dayton. It is a G model that took a SAM and had about 300 shrapnel holes in it.
ZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3258 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 41603 times:
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 21): I think, technically, it still belongs to the USAF, but it's definitely under the care of the Museum of Flight restoration group. Last time I went around it nobody was doing any work so it may be a future project for them.
That's correct USAF retains title & control is with the USAF Museum at Wright Patterson... I've been keeping an eye on that 52 for some years now and I've not seen any major work done on it.
I'm curious how they plan on getting the 52 & the Comet down to Boeing Field... I know what the plan is for the 727, but they don't seem to be making a lot of progress....
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atlengineer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 75 posts, RR: 0 Reply 26, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 41453 times:
Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 22): A little off topic but there is a second museum B-52 at the USAF Museum at Dayton. It is a G model that took a SAM and had about 300 shrapnel holes in it.
There are actually lots of displayed B-52's still left around the world. See the following link:
cargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1178 posts, RR: 8 Reply 27, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 42023 times:
Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 23): I'm curious how they plan on getting the 52 & the Comet down to Boeing Field... I know what the plan is for the 727, but they don't seem to be making a lot of progress....
....Or where the would put the '52 and the Comet down there. They'll need to expand the parking lotairpark if they're going to fit anything else at Museum of Flight. Wouldn't be so bad to put these planes indoors either, though I don't know that there's a budget for that.
A photo to share of D-ABYC at PAE before delivery (pardon the self plug):
canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 12 Reply 28, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 41955 times:
Quoting cargolex (Reply 27): ....Or where the would put the '52 and the Comet down there. They'll need to expand the parking lotairpark if they're going to fit anything else at Museum of Flight. Wouldn't be so bad to put these planes indoors either, though I don't know that there's a budget for that.
Doubt there's any room to do that at the airpark. Not since they built the building that will house the Shuttle Trainer. They found room for the shrink wrapped B-29 that's on the north side of the main museum so I think they'll find room should they ever want to bring it over to BFI. They could always remove some of the vehicle parking area on the east side.
Anyway, back on topic. I'm sure it's been posted before in these threads but it might be nice if there's a link to the projected delivery schedule that's included at the start of each new thread.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 29, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 41919 times:
According the latest Boeing delivery list (updated today) , two 747-8 aircraft are delivered in June. Total delivery count in 2012 is 13 aircraft. Total count is 22. (2011 and 2012).
Below is the official Boeing 747-8 delivery list :
747-8 Delivery status incl. June 2012
RC004/HZ-HMS1 is accepted at June 29 (still to be delivered ).
RC023/D-ABYC is accepted at June 30. (and actual delivered at July 01)
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 31, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 41618 times:
Quoting cargolex (Reply 27): Or where the would put the '52 and the Comet down there. They'll need to expand the parking lotairpark if they're going to fit anything else at Museum of Flight.
They're already working on it. The building under construction to the north of the airpark is the new home of Aviation High School; the space between that building and the airpark is, eventually, all supposed to be covered airpark.
cargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1178 posts, RR: 8 Reply 32, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 41207 times:
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 31): the space between that building and the airpark is, eventually, all supposed to be covered airpark.
That was what I had figured. There simply isn't any more room in the existing space, which is a bit of a compromised space anyway, and that land is just dead space at the moment. They're already talking about adding ZA003, which definitely will not fit in the current airpark, so I had a hunch they were working on a solution.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 33, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 41213 times:
Deliveries currently on the schedule for the last half of July:
LN 1431 first -8F for NCA
LN 1453 third -8i for DLH
LN 1457 -8F for CAT
LN 1458 -8F for TLS
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 5106 posts, RR: 14 Reply 34, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 41038 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 29): Below is the official Boeing 747-8 delivery list :
weird question:
If all of the 748iBBJs are heading for Oil moguls, why are they listed in the U.S.A. section of "country?"
Is one of them secretly the new AF1 ?
canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 12 Reply 35, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 40991 times:
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 31): They're already working on it. The building under construction to the north of the airpark is the new home of Aviation High School; the space between that building and the airpark is, eventually, all supposed to be covered airpark.
Thanks Tom. Even the museum doesn't advertise that. They just recently opened the original 747 prototype "City of Everett" for tours during the weekends. Interesting to compare that aircraft with the 747-8 I saw during the Boeing tour a few weeks ago.
bikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1628 posts, RR: 4 Reply 36, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 40973 times:
I don't know if this has anything to do with your question, but I think Boeing Business Jet is a separate entity withing the Boeing Company. So, when Boeing commercial delivers a BBJ, it is actually "delivering" the plane to a Boeing entity which is a US company. Very similar to when they deliver a "green" airplane to Boeing Military for mod. The delivery occurs . . . but the company still owns it.
In case of the BBJ, it may just be a paperwork thing and the transfer from BCA to BBJ to the final customer may be near instantaneous.
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 37, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 40850 times:
Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 35): They just recently opened the original 747 prototype "City of Everett" for tours during the weekends.
What?! Figures that, weeks after I leave Seattle, they open that thing up after lusting after getting onboard for 7 years...
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 36): I don't know if this has anything to do with your question, but I think Boeing Business Jet is a separate entity withing the Boeing Company.
It is. BCA delivers to BBJ.
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 36): In case of the BBJ, it may just be a paperwork thing and the transfer from BCA to BBJ to the final customer may be near instantaneous.
It's not instantaneous. BCA delivers a green airplane to BBJ. BBJ works with the customer to get the interior done at one of the BBJ completion centers; transfer of ownership happens somewhat later.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 5106 posts, RR: 14 Reply 38, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 40636 times:
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 37): It's not instantaneous. BCA delivers a green airplane to BBJ. BBJ works with the customer to get the interior done at one of the BBJ completion centers; transfer of ownership happens somewhat later.
CCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 715 posts, RR: 14 Reply 39, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 40363 times:
Quoting qblue (Reply 24):
One of the YVR rampers told me that they have a new 747-8F arriving from Boeing Friday 13Jul at 1500 overnight, load cargo and depart 14Jul 0800.
Yes it's the CX jet, first time for CX to do a freight run on a delivery flight.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2352 posts, RR: 1 Reply 40, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 40335 times:
Forgive me, I haven't been following this thread too closely but how is the production of the 748s going? Are they happening at a normal pace and order yet? Or do they have a backlog of planes needing change incorporation like the 788s?
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26956 posts, RR: 83 Reply 41, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 40342 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 40): Forgive me, I haven't been following this thread too closely but how is the production of the 748s going?
The production rate has been raised at two per month. I expect there is change incorporation going on, especially with the earlier freighters, but it looks like the frames now coming off the line do not need anything beyond the normal open jobs one would expect.
L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial number 35808, F/F Feb-08-2010, test aircraft #1, light Boeing livery, test reg. N747EX, Cargolux reg. LX-VCA (LX-ECV-- NTU), selcal code CK-EQ, refurbishment to delivery standard at Lackland AFB, San Antonio.
L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, F/F March-17-2010, test aircraft #2, light Boeing livery, test reg. N5017Q, NCA reg. JA-11KZ , refurbishment to delivery standard at Lackland AFB, San Antonio.
L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, refurbishment to delivery standard at Lackland AFB, San Antonio.
@ L/N 1423 - 747-8R7F, RC502, serial number 35806, F/F Aug-31-2011, full livery, "City of Esch-sur-Alzette", Cargolux reg. LX-VCB (LX-ACV-- NTU), selcal code CK-GQ, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX1JS- KSAE-ELLX) date : October-12-2011.
@ L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, F/F July-22-2010, test aircraft #4, full livery,”City of Ettelbruck”, test reg. N5573S, Cargolux reg. LX-VCC (LX-DCV-- NTU), selcal code CL-KQ, Acceptance and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date: March-23-2012.
@ L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo( #1), full KAL livery, HL7609, selcal code AD-FL , F/F Jan-10-2012, Acceptance date Feb-06-2012, Delivery flight (KAL28D –RKSI/ICN ) date : Feb-07-2012.
L/N 1426 - 747-8HTF, RC546, serial number 37133, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo (#2), full KAL livery, HL7610, KPAE flight line.
@ L/N 1427 - 747-867F, RC551, serial number 39238, Cathay #1, registration B-LJA, selcal code CR-HM, special “Hong Kong Trader” livery, F/F November 05-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date: November-15-2011.
@ L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RC552, serial number 39239, Cathay #2, , registration B-LJB, full livery, F/F November-16-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date : November-23-2011.
L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, Atlas Air #1 (NTU), painted basic white-dark blue BA colours), stored : KPAE flight line.
L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, future registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , full ABC livery, KPAE flight line.
L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, F/F Feb-3-2011, test aircraft #5, NCA #3, test registration N6009F, registration JA13KZ, selcal code FQ-EM, new NCA livery, refurbished at Lackland AFB, KPAE flight line, expected to be delivered at request of NCA in July 2012.
L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, Atlas Air #2 (NTU), white livery, no engines, stored : Tower Apron at KPAE.
L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, registration B-LJC, full livery, no engines installed, KPAE flight line.
L/N 1434 - 747-8JK, RC001, serial number 38636, 747-8I test aircraft #1, destined for a BBJ customer (State of Kuwait), test registration N6067E, future registration 9K-GAA, full red-orange “Boeing Sunrise” livery, selcal code CQ-AJ, Official first Intercontinental roll-out ceremony happened at February 13, F/F March 20th, -2011, presently in refurbishment to delivery standard, with engines removed, at KPAE flight line.
L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1, selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, future LH registration D-ABYE, stored at KPAE Flight line, with engines removed, awaiting refurbishment to delivery standard. Scheduled delivery date September-30-2012.
@ L/N 1436 - 747-8R7F, RC504, serial number 35809, Cargolux #4, full Cargolux livery, “City of Luxembourg”, registration LX-VCD, selcal code AJ-CM, F/F September-02 -2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX789-ELLX) date : October 13-2011.
L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, Atlas Air #3 (NTU), white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, stored : Runway 11-29 at KPAE.
L/N 1438 - 747-867F, RC554, serial number 39241, Cathay # 4, full livery, no engines, registration B-LJD, KPAE flight line.
@ L/N 1439 - 747-8KB , RC002, serial number 37544, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri Flight , test registration N5022E, registration A7-HHE, white livery, F/F Jan-30-2012, Acceptance date Feb-27-2012, Delivery flight (A7HHE-CYVR-KIAB) date Feb-28-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas, thereafter cabin outfitting at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, Germany. Cabin outfitting will start in September and will take between 18 and 21 months.
@ L/N 1440 - 747-8Z5 , RC003, serial number 37500, BBJ customer Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight (Presidential Flight Authority) , white livery, 747-8I test aircraft #3, test registration N5020K, future registration A6-PFA, selcal code MR-DQ , F/F June 30-2011, Acceptance date May 24, Delivery flight (A6PFA-KIAB) date May-29-2012, will be stored during summer 2012 at Wichita, thereafter Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) . Cabin outfitting will be completed by Jet Aviation in Basel, Switzerland.
@ L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #5 , test registration N1785B, Cathay registration B-LJE, selcal code BF-CS, full livery, F/F Aug-13-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : October-31-2011.
@ L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37561, Atlas Air #4 , full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSD, selcal code HL-ZQ, F/F October-21-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (GSS7478- EGSS) date : November-03-2011.
@ L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #2, test registration N5016R, LH registration D-ABYA, full livery, “Brandenburg”, selcal code BR-DA, F/F Feb-08-2012, Acceptance date April-25-2012, Delivery flight (DLH748 – EDDF) date : May 01 2012. Inaugural flight DLH416 (EDDF-KIAD ) date: June-01-2012.
@ L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37568, Atlas Air #5, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSE, selcal code HM-BQ, F/F November-17-2011, Acceptance date : December-05-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-19-2011.
@ L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37569, Atlas Air #6, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSF, selcal code DK-JQ, F/F December-0 5-2011, Acceptance date : December-15-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-27-2011.
@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud (Kingdom Holding Company), test registration N458BJ, registration HZ-HMS1 , F/F May-30-2012, Acceptance date: June 29 2012, white livery, KPAE flight line. Scheduled to be ferried to Boeing's Wichita, Kansas Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) facility for installation of the Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin. Thereafter , by the the year-end, the aircraft will be flown to Hamburg for cabin outfitting by Lufthansa Technik.
@ L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243, Cathay #6 , registration B-LJF, full livery, FAL Roll out date November 2, selcal code DR-EJ, F/F December-01-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : December-12-2011.
@ L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number 37581, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2, registration VQ-BLQ, selcal code FM-DS, full livery, the last assembled 747-8 aircraft in 2011, F/F December-21-2011, Acceptance date Jan-26-2012. Delivery flight (ABW5011- KORD) date : Feb-03-2012.
@ L/N 1449 - 747-8KB , RC005, serial number 37075, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri flight, leased from Lewiston Investments, A7-HJA , selcal CE-JM, white livery, F/F March-31-2012, Acceptance and Delivery flight (A7HJA-CYVR-KIAB) date April -25-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas. Cabin outfitting will be done by completion center AMAC in Basel, Switzerland.
@ L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244, Cathay #7, future registration B-LJG, full livery, selcal code LM-AJ, F/F February-11-2012, Acceptance date Feb-25-2012, Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date Feb-27-2012.
@ L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, , Lufthansa #3, full livery, selcal code CR-DP, D-ABYC, F/F June-07-2012, Acceptance date June-30-2012, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date July-01-2012.
@ L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number 37668, , AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3, full livery, test reg. N1788B, registration VQ-BLR, selcal code DK-FS, F/F March-16-2012, Acceptance date : March-30-2012, Delivery flight (ABW4011-KORD) date : April 04-2012.
L/N 1453 - 747-830, RC024, serial number 37829, Lufthansa #4 , D-ABYD, full livery, KPAE flight line, scheduled delivery date July-31-2012.
@ L/N 1454 -747-8R7F, RC505, serial number 35810, Cargolux #5, full livery, named : City of Echternach, registration LX-VCE, selcal AM-JP, F/F May 05 -2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date May 24-2012.
@ L/N 1455 - 747-87UF, RC577, serial number 37570, Atlas Air #7, full Panalpina livery, named “Spirit of Panalpina”, registration N850GT, selcal code CM-GJ, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F May-15-2012, Acceptance and delivery flight (GTI609-VHHH) date : May-31-2012.
L/N 1456 - 747-830, RC025, serial number 37830, Lufthansa #5, D-ABYF, unpainted with dark blue rudders, KPAE flight line, Scheduled delivery date August-30-2012.
L/N 1457 - 747-867F, RC558, serial number 39245, Cathay #8, unpainted, KPAE flight line, registration B-LJH, F/F June -14-2012, expected delivery date : July 13 2012.
L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #8, N851GT, unpainted with dark blue rudders, KPAE flight line, expected delivery July 2012.
L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ ? , RC006, serial number 41060?, (unknown)BBJ customer, N455BJ ?, unpainted with grey/white rudders, KPAE flight line, will be delivered “green” in 2012.
At this moment : 4 Airframes at the Final Assembly Line (FAL) at Everett Building 40-22
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L/N 1460 - 747-867F, RC559, serial number 39247, Cathay #9, future registration B-LJI, slant position #1.
L/N 1461 - 747-8R7F, RC506, serial number 35811, Cargolux#6, registration LX-VCF, slant position #2
L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37567?, Atlas Air #9 (leased Panalpina ?), body join position, expected delivery Sept-2012.
L/N1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC) #4 , VQ-BRH, wing join position.
Airframes (20), scheduled for Final Assembly
(all subject to change, L/N 1482 and 1483 have incomplete data).
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L/N 1464 - 747-867F, RC560, serialnumber 39246?, Cathay 10, future registration B-LJJ
L/N 1465 - 747-8R7F, RC507, serial number 35812, Cargolux #7, registration LX-VCG
L/N 1466 - 747-8**/BBJ, RC007
L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, Atlas Air #10
L/N 1468 - 747-8**/BBJ, RC008
L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 36139, NCA#4, registration JA14KZ
L/N 1470 - 747-830, RC026, serial number 37831, Lufthansa #6, D-ABYG, scheduled delivery *Jan 31 2013
L/N 1471 - 747-87UF, RC581, Atlas Air #11
L/N 1472 - 747-830, RC027, serial number 37832, Lufthansa #7, D-ABYH, scheduled delivery* Feb 28 2013
L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, Cargolux #8
L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, KAL#3
L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYI, scheduled delivery*April 30 2013
L/N 1476 - 747-87UF, RC582, Atlas Air #12
L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYJ, scheduled delivery*June 30 2013
L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, Cargolux #9
L/N 1479 - 747-8B5F, RC548, KAL #4
L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #10,D-ABYK, scheduled delivery*July 31 2013
L/N 1481 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36140, NCA #5, registration JA15KZ
L/N 1482 - 747-8**F, RC845 ?
L/N 1483 - 747-8**F, RC631, customer CGC ??? perhaps : GECAS 747-86NF ?
All data are double checked, or otherwise marked :
? = Not confirmed
*= Only one (1) source : http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa
** = unknown Boeing customer code.
A-netters, Pls forward corrections and/or additions by thread reply or personal message.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 44, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 40131 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 43): Cabin outfitting will start in September and will take between 18 and 21 months.
Does this normally take this long for a 747BBJ?
LH #1 = the first produced Lufthansa 747-830 with tabulation number RC021.
This aircraft is stored at KPAE and will be delivered after refurbishment has finished, see L/N 1435 in the listing for all data,
Do you mean the first 747-8i ("Intercontinental") delivered to DLH? That would be RC022. She is currently plying the route between FRA and IAD, I believe.
SEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6302 posts, RR: 39 Reply 46, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 39741 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 45):
Do you mean the first 747-8i ("Intercontinental") delivered to DLH? That would be RC022. She is currently plying the route between FRA and IAD, I believe.
That is LH #2. LH #1 was was used as a test aircraft, and needs refurbishment prior to delivery. LH #1 refers to the first one built, not the first one delivered.
[Edited 2012-07-08 07:33:19]
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tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 47, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 39521 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 38): Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 37):
It's not instantaneous. BCA delivers a green airplane to BBJ. BBJ works with the customer to get the interior done at one of the BBJ completion centers; transfer of ownership happens somewhat later.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 43): Quoting 747classic (Reply 42):
Cabin outfitting will start in September and will take between 18 and 21 months.
Does this normally take this long for a 747BBJ?
Sort of. The number of 747BBJ's is very low and there is a lot of variance between interiors. The general range of 1-2 years is about right. Think of it as being equivalent to doing the complete interior of a very large yacht (that size & build complexity), then pile on top the requirement to certify all of it.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 48, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 39119 times:
KPAE RW16R/34L has been re-opened at 08.00AM July 09.
747-8 delivery and test flights started immediately.
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RC004/N458BJ has been actually delivered, after customer acceptance at June 29.
Delivery flight from Paine Field KPAE to Vancouver (CYVR) for customs (owner papers transfer) and the aircraft will proceed further towards San Bernadino (KSBD)
See : http://nl.flightaware.com/live/flight/N458BJ
Storage at San Bernadino, awaiting to be ferried to Boeing's Wichita, Kansas Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) facility for installation of the Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin ??
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Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 49, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 39038 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 48): RC558/B-LJH left Paine field for another (customer ??) test flight, heading for Moses lake (KMWH)
Another? According to my records, this is the first customer flight for RC558. There were two or three flights by Boeing pilots previous to this flight.
If all goes well today, then the airplane should be delivered on (shudder) Friday the 13th.
Full aircraft data :
L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #8, N851GT, Panalpina livery, KPAE flight line, expected delivery July 2012.
N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2341 posts, RR: 25 Reply 51, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 38272 times:
Question: what's the status of the first QR - VVIP B 748i delivered some months ago? As far as I know it's not yet in Hamburg for cabin outfitting at LH Technik.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 53, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 38081 times:
The delivery date for DLH's 3rd 747-8i (RC024) has slid about a month. There are some small issues with the airplane that need to be resolved. No big deal, really, but delivery is now looking like the 3rd week in August.
RC558, on the other hand, is still looking to be delivered to CAT on 13 Friday.
Full aircraft data :
L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #8, N851GT, Panalpina livery, KPAE flight line, expected delivery July 2012.
ual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 540 posts, RR: 0 Reply 61, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 36079 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 53): The delivery date for DLH's 3rd 747-8i (RC024) has slid about a month. There are some small issues with the airplane that need to be resolved.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 62, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 35942 times:
Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 61): Does that mean DLH will get 2 747-8's in August?
I don't think so. The only other 747-8 on the delivery schedule for August is RC546 for KAL.
Here's the way I see the deliveries for July and August:
Last week in July: RC578 for TLS and RC523 for NCA.
Last week in August: RC024 for DLH and RC546 for KAL.
SQ22 From Germany, joined Feb 2012, 93 posts, RR: 0 Reply 67, posted (11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 33700 times:
Nice pic.
I heard that Boeing has asked Lufthansa to postpone the delivery and Lufthansa agreed, hence a 744 which should be phased out in 2012 will remain a bit longer in the fleet.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26956 posts, RR: 83 Reply 72, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 32882 times:
Quoting earlyNFF (Reply 71): To me it appears, Boeing isn´t willing/able to bring this aircraft to delivery status.
Maybe they figured out they have to pay the smallest amount of damage fees, given the discount LH received....
So they're just going to write off and destroy a $300 million asset?
kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2498 posts, RR: 21 Reply 74, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 32812 times:
Maybe Wilco737 will shed some light on the issue.. there seems to be an information vacuum surrounding line #1435.. and then again it maybe there is a lot of other work that is taking precedence
Aircraft data : L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #8, N851GT, Full Panalpina livery, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F July 12-2012, Acceptance/Delivery Flight (KHSV-GTI9037)July 25-2012.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 76, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 32310 times:
Boeing delivered the first 747-8F to NCA (RC523, LN 1431) today. Flyaway is scheduled for tomorrow.
From the press release:
The environmentally focused Nippon Cargo Airlines will also undertake its first biofuel flight with this milestone 747-8 Freighter delivery. The new airplane will become the first 747-8 to use a blend of environmentally progressive biofuels (jet kerosene and used cooking oil) to fly across the Pacific Ocean.
Nippon Cargo Airlines, one of the launch customers for the 747-8 Freighter in 2005 and also part of a team that helped develop the aircraft, plans to begin revenue service with its new 747-8 Freighter by mid-August on Asia and North American routes.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 5106 posts, RR: 14 Reply 80, posted (10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 32513 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 76): Boeing delivered the first 747-8F to NCA (RC523, LN 1431) today. Flyaway is scheduled for tomorrow.
Quoting Laddie (Reply 76): The new airplane will become the first 747-8 to use a blend of environmentally progressive biofuels (jet kerosene and used cooking oil) to fly across the Pacific Ocean.
Alright Congrats Boeing and KZ!!!!
I'll hopefully see her on the apron of NRT on Friday!
earlyNFF From Germany, joined Sep 2007, 205 posts, RR: 0 Reply 81, posted (10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 32196 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 77): Quoting earlyNFF (Reply 71):Boeing isn´t willing/able to bring this aircraft to delivery status.
Interesting comment. You have evidence for this conclusion?
Quoting earlyNFF (Reply 71): To me it appears, Boeing isn´t willing/able to bring this aircraft to delivery status.
Evidence? If you cite me, do it uncensored, please!
TO ME IT APPEARS. For any reasons, why they asked LH to accept a further delay in delivery, ask Boeing!
Quoting cargolex (Reply 78):
It'll get done, although it may not be top of the priority list.
They need all manpower to bring the 787s into the air.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 82, posted (10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 32131 times:
Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 79): They need all manpower to bring the 787s into the air.
I am also under the impression (but cannot prove it) that lack of skilled manpower is slowing down the refurbishing of the test and early produced 747-8 airframes.
Clearly Boeing's priority is at the 787 refurbishment program and not at refurbishing early built 748 airframes.
All the presently assembled 747-8 aircraft (especially the freighters) are needing a minimum effort to reach the delivery status and are delivered between 3-4 weeks after final assembly and are now delivered first iso. older airframes of the same customer.
It also seems that the refurbishment of the "real" heavily test-wired 747-8 aircraft (RC501, 521, 522, 001 and 021) has a low priority at the moment, so it's possible that Boeing asked LH for a delivery delay of RC021 (incl.compensation ???)
The delivery of several early built freighter airframes, requiring more rework, is already pushed back at request of the customer, due the present freight-market downturn.
Examples are RC553 and 554 for Cathay , stored at KPAE, with no engines installed, delivery probably pushed back to 2013 at request of the customer. Later produced airframes will be delivered first.
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1604 posts, RR: 0 Reply 84, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 31594 times:
I have been searching for a picture of a 744 side by side with a 748. But I have not found a single picture, it would give a better view of the difference IMO. If someone has a picture like this, please post it here, it would be great!
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 85, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 31598 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 84): I have been searching for a picture of a 744 side by side with a 748. But I have not found a single picture, it would give a better view of the difference IMO. If someone has a picture like this, please post it here
Perhaps these comparison pictures will do the trick (taken at exact the same distance , angle, etc.) :
Original uploaded by nick123n, for other sizes and explanation see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/27044274@N06/6854370658/
VC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2476 posts, RR: 9 Reply 86, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 31286 times:
When, if ever, would we see an LH 748i at JFK or EWR? Sorry as I'm sure this has been discussed to death- but I have not ever seen it on A.net
The world is missing love, let's use our flights to spread it!
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 89, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 30316 times:
RC523/JA13KZ just airborne from Paine Field (KPAE) towards Narita (RJAA) for a delivery flight with call-sign NCA696,
see : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NCA696
Aircraft Data : L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, F/F Feb-3-2011, test aircraft #5, NCA #3, test registration N6009F, registration JA13KZ, selcal code FQ-EM, new (adapted) NCA livery, refurbished at Lackland AFB and KPAE, Acceptance date July 25 2012. Delivery flight (NCA696 - RJAA)date : Aug-01-2012.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 91, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 29203 times:
Quoting someone83 (Reply 90): Is there any other aircraft now scheduled for an August delivery?
Currently on the schedule for delivery by end of August:
LN 1453 RC024 Intercontinental for DLH
LN 1461 RC506 Freighter for CLX
LN 1460 RC559 Freighter for CAT
LN 1426 RC546 Freighter for GIF/KAL
L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial number 35808, F/F Feb-08-2010, test aircraft #1, light Boeing livery, test reg. N747EX, Cargolux reg. LX-VCA (LX-ECV-- NTU), selcal code CK-EQ, refurbishment to delivery standard at Lackland AFB, San Antonio.
L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, F/F March-17-2010, test aircraft #2, light Boeing livery, test reg. N5017Q, NCA reg. JA-11KZ , refurbishment to delivery standard at Lackland AFB, San Antonio.
L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, refurbishment to delivery standard at Lackland AFB, San Antonio.
@ L/N 1423 - 747-8R7F, RC502, serial number 35806, F/F Aug-31-2011, full livery, "City of Esch-sur-Alzette", Cargolux reg. LX-VCB (LX-ACV-- NTU), selcal code CK-GQ, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX1JS- KSAE-ELLX) date : October-12-2011.
@ L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, F/F July-22-2010, test aircraft #4, full livery,”City of Ettelbruck”, test reg. N5573S, Cargolux reg. LX-VCC (LX-DCV-- NTU), selcal code CL-KQ, Acceptance and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date: March-23-2012.
@ L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo( #1), full KAL livery, HL7609, selcal code AD-FL , F/F Jan-10-2012, Acceptance date Feb-06-2012, Delivery flight (KAL28D –RKSI/ICN ) date : Feb-07-2012.
L/N 1426 - 747-8HTF, RC546, serial number 37133, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo (#2), full KAL livery, HL7610, KPAE flight line. Expected delivery Aug. 2012.
@ L/N 1427 - 747-867F, RC551, serial number 39238, Cathay #1, registration B-LJA, selcal code CR-HM, special “Hong Kong Trader” livery, F/F November 05-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date: November-15-2011.
@ L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RC552, serial number 39239, Cathay #2, , registration B-LJB, full livery, F/F November-16-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date : November-23-2011.
L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, Atlas Air #1 (NTU), painted basic white-dark blue BA colours), stored : KPAE flight line.
L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, future registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , full ABC livery, KPAE flight line.
@ L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, F/F Feb-3-2011, test aircraft #5, NCA #3, test registration N6009F, registration JA13KZ, selcal code FQ-EM, new (adapted) NCA livery, refurbished at Lackland AFB and KPAE, Acceptance date July 25 2012. Delivery flight (NCA696 - RJAA) date : Aug-01-2012.
L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, Atlas Air #2 (NTU), white livery, no engines, stored : Tower Apron at KPAE.
L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, registration B-LJC, full livery, no engines installed, KPAE flight line.
L/N 1434 - 747-8JK, RC001, serial number 38636, 747-8I test aircraft #1, destined for a BBJ customer (State of Kuwait), test registration N6067E, future registration 9K-GAA, full red-orange “Boeing Sunrise” livery, selcal code CQ-AJ, Official first Intercontinental roll-out ceremony happened at February 13, F/F March 20th, -2011, presently in refurbishment to delivery standard, with engines removed, at KPAE flight line.
L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1, selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, future LH registration D-ABYE, stored at KPAE Flight line, with engines removed, awaiting refurbishment to delivery standard. Scheduled delivery date was September-30-2012 , but postponed till Sept 2013 ? *
@ L/N 1436 - 747-8R7F, RC504, serial number 35809, Cargolux #4, full Cargolux livery, “City of Luxembourg”, registration LX-VCD, selcal code AJ-CM, F/F September-02 -2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX789-ELLX) date : October 13-2011.
L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, Atlas Air #3 (NTU), white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, stored : Runway 11-29 at KPAE.
L/N 1438 - 747-867F, RC554, serial number 39241, Cathay # 4, full livery, no engines, registration B-LJD, KPAE flight line.
@ L/N 1439 - 747-8KB , RC002, serial number 37544, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri Flight , test registration N5022E, registration A7-HHE, white livery, F/F Jan-30-2012, Acceptance date Feb-27-2012, Delivery flight (A7HHE-CYVR-KIAB) date Feb-28-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas, thereafter cabin outfitting at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, Germany. Cabin outfitting will start in September and will take between 18 and 21 months.
@ L/N 1440 - 747-8Z5 , RC003, serial number 37500, BBJ customer Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight (Presidential Flight Authority) , white livery, 747-8I test aircraft #3, test registration N5020K, future registration A6-PFA, selcal code MR-DQ , F/F June 30-2011, Acceptance date May 24, Delivery flight (A6PFA-KIAB) date May-29-2012, will be stored during summer 2012 at Wichita, thereafter Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) . Cabin outfitting will be completed by Jet Aviation in Basel, Switzerland.
@ L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #5 , test registration N1785B, Cathay registration B-LJE, selcal code BF-CS, full livery, F/F Aug-13-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : October-31-2011.
@ L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37561, Atlas Air #4 , full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSD, selcal code HL-ZQ, F/F October-21-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (GSS7478- EGSS) date : November-03-2011
@ L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #2, test registration N5016R, LH registration D-ABYA, full livery, “Brandenburg”, selcal code BR-DA, F/F Feb-08-2012, Acceptance date April-25-2012, Delivery flight (DLH748 – EDDF) date : May 01 2012. Post delivery maintenance performed at Lufthansa Technik (EDDF). Inaugural flight DLH416 (EDDF-KIAD ) date: June-01-2012.
@ L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37568, Atlas Air #5, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSE, selcal code HM-BQ, F/F November-17-2011, Acceptance date : December-05-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-19-2011.
@ L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37569, Atlas Air #6, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSF, selcal code DK-JQ, F/F December-0 5-2011, Acceptance date : December-15-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-27-2011
@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud (Kingdom Holding Company), test registration N458BJ, registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Acceptance date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Stored at San Bernadino . Will be ferried to Boeing's Wichita, Kansas Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) facility for installation of the Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin. Thereafter , by the the year-end, the aircraft will be flown to Hamburg for cabin outfitting by Lufthansa Technik.
@ L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243, Cathay #6 , registration B-LJF, full livery, FAL Roll out date November 2, selcal code DR-EJ, F/F December-01-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : December-12-2011.
@ L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number 37581, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2, registration VQ-BLQ, selcal code FM-DS, full livery, the last assembled 747-8 aircraft in 2011, F/F December-21-2011, Acceptance date Jan-26-2012. Delivery flight (ABW5011- KORD) date : Feb-03-2012.
@ L/N 1449 - 747-8KB , RC005, serial number 37075, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri flight, leased from Lewiston Investments, A7-HJA , selcal CE-JM, white livery, F/F March-31-2012, Acceptance and Delivery flight (A7HJA-CYVR-KIAB) date April -25-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas. Cabin outfitting will be done by completion center AMAC in Basel, Switzerland.
@ L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244, Cathay #7, future registration B-LJG, full livery, selcal code LM-AJ, F/F February-11-2012, Acceptance date Feb-25-2012, Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date Feb-27-2012.
@ L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, , Lufthansa #3, full livery, selcal code CR-DP, D-ABYC, F/F June-07-2012, Acceptance date June-30-2012, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date July-01-2012. PDM by LH Technik at EDDF. First operational Flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) July 25-2012.
@ L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number 37668, , AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3, full livery, test reg. N1788B, registration VQ-BLR, selcal code DK-FS, F/F March-16-2012, Acceptance date : March-30-2012, Delivery flight (ABW4011-KORD) date : April 04-2012.
L/N 1453 - 747-830, RC024, serial number 37829, Lufthansa #4 , D-ABYD, full livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 01-2012, scheduled delivery date Aug-??-2012.
@ L/N 1454 -747-8R7F, RC505, serial number 35810, Cargolux #5, full livery, named : City of Echternach, registration LX-VCE, selcal AM-JP, F/F May 05 -2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date May 24-2012.
@ L/N 1455 - 747-87UF, RC577, serial number 37570, Atlas Air #7, full Panalpina livery, named “Spirit of Panalpina”, registration N850GT, selcal code CM-GJ, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F May-15-2012, Acceptance and delivery flight (GTI609-VHHH) date : May-31-2012.
L/N 1456 - 747-830, RC025, serial number 37830, Lufthansa #5, D-ABYF, full livery, KPAE flight line, Scheduled delivery date Sept-??-2012
@ L/N 1457 - 747-867F, RC558, serial number 39245, Cathay #8, full livery, test registration N6018N, registration B-LJH, F/F June -14-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3337- CYVR)date : July 13 2012.
@ L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #8, Full Panalpina livery,named “Passion for Solutions”, registration N851GT, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F July 12-2012, Acceptance date July 24, Delivery flight (KHSV-GTI9037)date July 25-2012.
L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ ? , RC006, serial number 41060?, (unknown)BBJ customer, N455BJ ?, unpainted with white rudders, KPAE flight line, will be delivered “green” in 2012.
L/N 1460 - 747-867F, RC559, serial number 39247, Cathay #9, future registration B-LJI, full livery, KPAE Flight line, scheduled Aug .delivery.
L/N 1461 - 747-8R7F, RC506, serial number 35811, Cargolux #6, registration LX-VCF, unpainted with white rudders, KPAE flight line, expected F/F Aug 18. Expected delivery Aug 28.
L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37567?, Atlas Air #9, unpainted with dark blue rudders, KPAE flight line.
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At this moment : 4 Airframes at the Final Assembly Line (FAL) at Everett Building 40-22
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L/N1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC) #4 , VQ-BRH, slant position #1, expected roll-out date Aug 21.
L/N1464 - 747-867F, RC560, serialnumber 39246?, Cathay #10, future registration B-LJJ, slant position #2, expected roll-out date Sept. 5.
L/N1465 - 747-8R7F, RC507, serial number 35812, Cargolux #7, registration LX-VCG, body join position.
L/N 1466 - 747-8**/BBJ, RC007 , wing join position
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Airframes (18), scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change).
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L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, Atlas Air #10
L/N 1468 - 747-8**/BBJ, RC008
L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 36139, NCA #4, registration JA14KZ
L/N 1470 - 747-830, RC026, serial number 37831, Lufthansa #6, D-ABYG, scheduled delivery *Jan 31 2013
L/N 1471 - 747-87UF, RC581, Atlas Air #11
L/N 1472 - 747-830, RC027, serial number 37832, Lufthansa #7, D-ABYH, scheduled delivery* Feb 28 2013
L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, Cargolux #8
L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, KAL#3
L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYI, scheduled delivery*April 30 2013
L/N 1476 - 747-87UF, RC582, Atlas Air #12
L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYJ, scheduled delivery* June 30 2013
L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, Cargolux #9
L/N 1479 - 747-8B5F, RC548, KAL #4
L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #10, D-ABYK, scheduled delivery* July 31 2013
L/N 1481 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36140, NCA #5, registration JA15KZ
L/N 1482 - 747-8HVF, RC605, Air Bridge Cargo( ABC) #5
L/N 1483 - 747-8**F, RC631, customer GECAS ???
L/N 1484 - 747-8**F, RC632, customer CECAS ???
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 5106 posts, RR: 14 Reply 93, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 27887 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 92): L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1, selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, future LH registration D-ABYE, stored at KPAE Flight line, with engines removed, awaiting refurbishment to delivery standard. Scheduled delivery date was September-30-2012 , but postponed till Sept 2013 ? *
Why would it be postponed until next year? Does it really need that much refurbishment?
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 94, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 27884 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 93): Why would it be postponed until next year? Does it really need that much refurbishment?
Original L/N 1435 would have been delivered at the end of September 2012.
Several aviation media and forums already reported a delay to 2013, with additional reports about keeping one extra LH 744 longer as a substitute.
For more background info about the delay , see Reply 82 in this thread.
The new L/N 1435 "postponed data" in the provisional 747-8 listing are however marked with ?*
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 96, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 27165 times:
RC546 will make a flyover of the Boeing Classic golf tournament the morning of August 24. This is the usual flyover by a Boeing jet that marks the beginning of the tournament.
RC546 is a KAL 747-8F, but Emirates Airline is the official sponsor of the tournament. I don't know if the KAL colors will be covered up for the flight. All I know is there are two days of prep time on the schedule before the flight.
It wasn't very long term, because as of this past weekend, it has again been moved. Not sure if it's back on the flight line, but it is no longer stored in that area.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 99, posted (10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 26441 times:
This Boeing statement does not say which airplane is involved, but it is probably LN 1446:
Boeing has been awarded a contract from VIP Completion Center, a division of Greenpoint Technologies, to install an interior on a Boeing Business Jet -- the BBJ 747-8. Installation is scheduled to begin at the Boeing Global Services & Support Modification Center in San Antonio, Texas, in early 2013.
"Boeing and Greenpoint have enjoyed a longstanding industry partnership. We’re excited to work together on this amazing project," said Steve Wade, Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) general manager.
GTES, part of the Global Services & Support business unit of Boeing Defense, Space & Security, is a Boeing commercial derivative business headquartered in Wichita, Kan., with operations in Oklahoma City and the Puget Sound area.
Greenpoint Technologies in Kirkland, Wash., is a certified BBJ completion center. The company has partnered with GTES for more than a decade on numerous programs, including the Aeroloft™ passenger area installation on four BBJ 747-8 models.
The aircraft is one of the two early produced airframes (HL7609 and HL7610) ordered by lessor Guggenheim Aviation Partners for lease to Korean Airlines Cargo.
After cancellation of the order (after the assembly was completed) the two aircraft were purchased directly by KAL Cargo.
Aircraft data :L/N 1426, 747-8HTF* or 747-8B5F* , RC546, serial number 37133, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo (#2), full KAL livery, HL7610, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 17-2012, Expected delivery Aug. 2012.
* Explanation :
The first aircraft (HL7609) is already delivered to KAL and according the 747 Type Certificate still listed as a 747-8HTF (GuAP customer code) with variable number RC541.
The second aircraft is however listed (out of sequence) as RC546 i.s.o. RC542. This could be an indication that the aircraft customer code could also has been changed from HT (GuAP) to B5 (KAL).
Remark : Only in exceptional cases Boeing changes the variable number and/or customer code after a customer change after final assembly of a particular airframe.
Aircraft data : L/N 1460 - 747-867F, RC559, serial number 39247, Cathay #9, registration B-LJI, full livery, KPAE Flight line, F/F Aug-20-2012, Expected delivery Aug 2012.
Nine CX aircraft have been assembled up to now, with 6 delivered and two early airframes (L/N 1433 / RC553 / B-LJC and L/N 1438 / RC554 / B-LJD) stored for refurbishment and delivery in 2013.
CX-airframe #10 (L/N 1464 / RC560 / B-LJJ), with expected FAL roll-out date Sept. 05, will be delivered next in 2012 as the eighth active Cathay 747-8 freighter.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 104, posted (10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 24461 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 103): D-ABYE L/N 1435 delivery is now listed for 30.09.2013
That's as good a guess as any. D-ABYE will be taking up space on the KPAE ramp for a long, long time.
I see the webpage has old information for the delivery date of D-ABYD. She won't be delivered before 24 August 2012, and the schedule doesn't show a flyaway date..
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Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 117, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 23110 times:
Quoting rotating14 (Reply 113): - Korean Air Cargo 747-8HTF RC546 HL7610 will do the Boeing Classic fly-by this morning. (overhead tournament at 11.20 a.m.)
Remark : No filed flight plans and/or flight tracking available at this moment (FlightAware is down.)
RC546 returned to KPAE before noon. Mission accomplished.
FlightAware is working OK. I think the flight was suppressed from display at Boeing's request.
Ronaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 319 posts, RR: 0 Reply 121, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 22410 times:
Any news about RC571 and RC572, the NTU's of Atlas Air?
and if you look closly, RC571 is in the background undergoing workings (to delivery standard?). Is there any new customers for the both planes in sight or will Atlas Air eventually pick them up at a later date?
KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 2410 posts, RR: 6 Reply 124, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 21888 times:
Quote: Could the aircraft not be used as a spare part provider for the actual delivered aircraft ?
Boeing could reuse at least the engines. I'm surprised to see those 4 GEnx engines still hanging underneath the wings of RC571 a year after Atlas Air has abandoned this frame.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 125, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 21856 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 124): I'm surprised to see those 4 GEnx engines still hanging underneath the wings of RC571 a year after Atlas Air has abandoned this frame.
Also RC573 has been stored with engines installed, see latest available picture (together with another early built stored airframe, without engines : probably B-LJC
See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalscottking/7869929620/
Ronaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 319 posts, RR: 0 Reply 126, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 21745 times:
Yes it's three aircraft, I'm sorry.
Thank you for the photo. For me, it looks like they're converting RC571 into delivery status.
kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2498 posts, RR: 21 Reply 127, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 21693 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 123): Could the aircraft not be used as a spare part provider for the actual delivered aircraft ?
they would be costly spares and maybe not even of a usable configuration... however I think Boeing is working a sales deal that will take them as is or with a few minor mods..
B-LJI/RC559 will be the seventh delivered 747-8 freighter for Cathay.
Two early built airframes (B-LJC/RC553 and B-LJD/RC554) are still stored and will be delivered in 2013.
Next delivery will be B-LJJ/RC560 .This aircraft will emerge from the FAL in the first week of September.
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9710 posts, RR: 10 Reply 130, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20951 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 129): Two early built airframes (B-LJC/RC553 and B-LJD/RC554) are still stored and will be delivered in 2013.
Seems these two need more out-of-sequence refurbishing/upgrading work to be done than building a completely new frame!
Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 126): Thank you for the photo. For me, it looks like they're converting RC571 into delivery status.
Yes. At least it doesnt look like a plane in longterm storage. I hope those three are flying soon. If the price is right I´m sure they´ll raise some interest.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 120): KE will be the next 747-8 customer, but not sure when their first bird is due.
Korean Air yes. No known date yet, although I´m 99% sure not within the next 12 months. End of next year perhaps.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 131, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20915 times:
Quoting na (Reply 130): Two early built airframes (B-LJC/RC553 and B-LJD/RC554) are still stored and will be delivered in 2013.
Seems these two need more out-of-sequence refurbishing/upgrading work to be done than building a completely new frame!
AFAIK About six months ago, Cathay asked for a delivery delay of two 747-8F aircraft from 2012 to 2013 because of the present downturn in the cargo market. All ten (10) ordered aircraft however were already scheduled for assembly and this firing order could not be changed easily. Consequently both decided that the best solution was to store these two early birds until refurbishment in 2013.
In this scenario Cathay had more later built airframes with higher operating weights available in 2012.
Also Boeing, already short of skilled refurbishment manpower, could proceed in 2012 at the present 787 refurbishment pace.
milestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 133, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 20618 times:
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5216 posts, RR: 49 Reply 137, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 19962 times:
Looks like LN1459 is going to make its first flight today.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 138, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 19913 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 137): Looks like LN1459 is going to make its first flight today.
AFAIK RC506 / LX-VCF is produced as L/N1461.
L/N 1459 is a 747-8/BBJ for a still secret customer with variable/tabulation number RC006.
Probably the aircraft has the new (and not known) Boeing customer code LQ ( This 747-8LQ is listed in the FAA registry with serial number 41060 and registration N455BJ with registered owner The Boeing company.
See: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=455BJ
milestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 143, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19151 times:
What is the status of LN 1426 RC546 Freighter for GIF/KAL? It was supposed to be delivered by the end of August according to a post earlier in this thread.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 144, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19129 times:
Quoting milestones787 (Reply 143): What is the status of LN 1426 RC546 Freighter for GIF/KAL? It was supposed to be delivered by the end of August according to a post earlier in this thread.
There has been no change to the schedule that I am aware of. She is still scheduled to be delivered on 31 August.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 146, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18856 times:
RC559 has been handed over to Cathay Pacific today, and she just took off on her delivery flight.
That makes 7 deliveries to Cathay Pacific, out of 10 ordered. There are two more parked at KPAE, and the last one rolls out of the factory on Wednesday.
milestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 147, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 18715 times:
Any idea when L/N 1430 - RC601 for AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) will be delivered? It seems to have been in full livery and on the flight line for some time.
milestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 149, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 18199 times:
Any idea what the September 747-8 delivery schedule is shaping up to look like?
Capt747ret From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 18 posts, RR: 1 Reply 151, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 17998 times:
milestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 153, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 17800 times:
Isn't L/N 1456 - Lufthansa #5, D-ABYF scheduled for a September delivery or is it not going to make it?
trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 3979 posts, RR: 14 Reply 154, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 17656 times:
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 155, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 17544 times:
- AFAIK it's an ongoing process, not according building blocks .The presently delivered airframes are substantial lighter already.
- All airframes delivered from April 2012 have the higher operating weights to compensate for the higher OEW. It's not know to me if earlier delivered airframes are already capable (after modification?) to operate at these higher operating weights.
- All airframes delivered from the start of 2014 have the full "weight-watcher" program completed, incl. GEnx-2B engines with PIP and the fully operational NGFMS software. These aircraft are probably exceeding the original payload/range target.
- For the 747-8 Intercontinental : the present tail tank issue will be solved before 2014.
wilco737 From Greenland, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 8539 posts, RR: 78 Reply 159, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16745 times:
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Quoting Laddie (Reply 157): D-ABYF is tentatively scheduled for a 24 September delivery. All dates subject to change.
Exactly and 4 weeks later it will start flying on the line.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 160, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16396 times:
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 159):
Exactly and 4 weeks later it will start flying on the line.
Don't buy your tickets quite yet. A new schedule is out, and the delivery has slid one month to 23 October. No reason given.
Now we are back to the lineup shown in reply #150 for deliveries this month. I told you delivery dates are very fluid. But the sun rose in the east today. That much is for certain.
wilco737 From Greenland, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 8539 posts, RR: 78 Reply 161, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 16411 times:
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Quoting Laddie (Reply 160): Don't buy your tickets quite yet. A new schedule is out, and the delivery has slid one month to 23 October. No reason given.
Nah, I don't buy tickets, I just got the info that I will be trained on the 747-8i in November...
New schedule? Ah well. Do you know what the issue is?
RobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3940 posts, RR: 19 Reply 162, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16288 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 160): Don't buy your tickets quite yet. A new schedule is out, and the delivery has slid one month to 23 October. No reason given.
Glad you've said that, thought I was going daft here as no sign of it on the sheet I'm seeing!
wilco737 From Greenland, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 8539 posts, RR: 78 Reply 164, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16258 times:
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Quoting Laddie (Reply 163): No, I do not. According to an article in USA Today, DLH and its customers love the 747-8, so the issue cannot be related to airplane performance.
At least LH and the costumers are happy with it. That's good news.
Let's keep the fingers crossed that the airplane will be delivered soon.
warden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 434 posts, RR: 0 Reply 165, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16173 times:
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 161): I just got the info that I will be trained on the 747-8i in November...
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 167, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 15940 times:
Here are some nice video's of the crosswind landing at Hamburg (HAM) after the ferry flight from Mc.Connell AFB, Wichita (IAB) of A7-HHE at Aug 30. (see reply 140 in this thread)
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 168, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15613 times:
RC001 (the "Big Orange") is on the schedule for delivery by the end of October. I do not where the cabin outfitting will be done for the VIP customer (the government of Qatar, I believe).
milestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 169, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15340 times:
Does anyone have info on when the refurbishment will be done on the first 3 -8Fs that are currently in San Antonio and when they will be delivered?
I wish the photos had a person in them so I could get a sense of scale. It looks like there is a lot of headroom, but I would be surprised if a 6' tall person could walk around up there without ducking his/her head.
The Boeing version of the Skyloft (not as luxurious as the Greenpoint version because it is designed for airline use), cannot be inhabited during takeoff or landing. I wonder if GT's Skyloft is the same way?
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 171, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15017 times:
Quoting milestones787 (Reply 169): Does anyone have info on when the refurbishment will be done on the first 3 -8Fs that are currently in San Antonio and when they will be delivered?
The last i heard was a minimum of one year refurbishment time. So RC501 can be ready any moment ??????
RC501, arrival KSKF June-08-2011
RC521, arrival KSKF May-29-2012
RC522, arrival KSKF Oct-06-2011
Seen the last, not very recent (78 days ago) and not very clear picture of a unknown 747-8F at Lackland AFB , Boeing started refurbishment.
See : http://twitpic.com/9ynh42
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 172, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14835 times:
Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (Sept-08-2012)
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This month"s update contains some interesting findings .
At the end of the production list the latest additions to the 747-8 firing order are added . L/N 1483, 1484 and 1486 are now filled in (subject to change, as usual) with 747-8 freighter aircraft with variable numbers RC631, 632 and 633, all with an initially unknown internal customer code : " CGC ".
After checking all previous assigned internal customer codes, the discovery was made that " CGC " stands for Air China Cargo. RL501-L/N1369 and RL502-L/N1373 were produced as Air China Cargo 747-4FTF aircraft, with code " CGC ".
However a new direct order by Air China Cargo is very unlikely , because this has to be reported to the HK stock exchange. Also a change from the already ordered 5 747-8 Intercontinental aircraft for Air China (Order date March-07-2011, but not approved yet by the Chinese government, to be dlivered in 2014-2015) to 747-8 freighters must be reported to the HK stock exchange.
Most likely these three (3) 747-8F aircraft are leased from GECAS (2 orders) or DAE Capital (10 orders).
If GECAS is involved one extra freighter can be ordered later or one can be taken from the DAE order.
L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial number 35808, F/F Feb-08-2010, test aircraft #1, light Boeing livery, test reg. N747EX, Cargolux reg. LX-VCA (LX-ECV-- NTU), selcal code CK-EQ, refurbishment to delivery standard at Lackland AFB, San Antonio.
L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, F/F March-17-2010, test aircraft #2, light Boeing livery, test reg. N5017Q, NCA reg. JA-11KZ , refurbishment to delivery standard at Lackland AFB, San Antonio.
L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, refurbishment to delivery standard at Lackland AFB, San Antonio.
@ L/N 1423 - 747-8R7F, RC502, serial number 35806, F/F Aug-31-2011, full livery, "City of Esch-sur-Alzette", Cargolux reg. LX-VCB (LX-ACV-- NTU), selcal code CK-GQ, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX1JS- KSAE-ELLX) date : October-12-2011.
@ L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, F/F July-22-2010, test aircraft #4, full livery, name : City of Ettelbruck, test reg. N5573S, Cargolux reg. LX-VCC (LX-DCV-- NTU), selcal code CL-KQ, Acceptance and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date: March-23-2012.
@ L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo( #1), full KAL livery, HL7609, selcal code AD-FL , F/F Jan-10-2012, Acceptance date Feb-06-2012, Delivery flight (KAL28D-RKSI/ICN ) date : Feb-07-2012.
@ L/N 1426 - 747-8HTF, RC546, serial number 37133, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo (#2), full KAL livery, test registration N5510E, HL7610, selcal code MQ-FJ, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 18-2012, Acceptance / Delivery flight (KAL28D-PKSI/ICN) date : Sept 04-2012.
@ L/N 1427 - 747-867F, RC551, serial number 39238, Cathay #1, registration B-LJA, selcal code CR-HM, special " Hong Kong Trader " livery, F/F November 05-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date: November-15-2011.
@ L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RC552, serial number 39239, Cathay #2, , registration B-LJB, full livery, F/F November-16-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date : November-23-2011.
L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, Atlas Air #1 (NTU), painted basic white-dark blue BA colours), stored at KPAE flight line (refurbishment in progress??)
L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , full ABC livery, KPAE flight line, expected delivery Sept-27-2012.
@ L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, F/F Feb-3-2011, test aircraft #5, NCA #3, test registration N6009F, registration JA13KZ, selcal code FQ-EM, new (adapted) NCA livery, refurbished at Lackland AFB and KPAE, Acceptance date July 25 2012. Delivery flight (NCA696 - RJAA) date : Aug-01-2012. First operational flight NCA108 ( RJAA-KLAX) Aug-13-2012.
L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, Atlas Air #2 (NTU), white livery, no engines, stored : Tower Apron at KPAE.
L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, registration B-LJC, full livery, no engines installed, KPAE flight line, Delivery in 2013 ?
L/N 1434 - 747-8JK, RC001, serial number 38636, 747-8I test aircraft #1, destined for a BBJ customer (State of Kuwait), test registration N6067E, future registration 9K-GAA, full red-orange " Boeing Sunrise " livery, selcal code CQ-AJ, Official first Intercontinental roll-out ceremony happened at February 13, F/F March 20th, -2011, presently in refurbishment to delivery standard, during refurbishment all engines were removed for several weeks and again installed, KPAE flight line, Scheduled for delivery by the end of October.
L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1, selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, future LH registration D-ABYE, stored at KPAE, with engines removed, awaiting refurbishment to delivery standard. Scheduled delivery date was September-30-2012 , but postponed till Sept 30-2013?
@ L/N 1436 - 747-8R7F, RC504, serial number 35809, Cargolux #4, full Cargolux livery, name : City of Luxembourg, registration LX-VCD, selcal code AJ-CM, F/F September-02 -2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CLX789-ELLX) date : October 13-2011.
L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, Atlas Air #3 (NTU), white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, stored : KPAE.
L/N 1438 - 747-867F, RC554, serial number 39241, Cathay # 4, full livery, no engines, registration B-LJD, KPAE flight line, Delivery in 2013 ?
@ L/N 1439 - 747-8KB , RC002, serial number 37544, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri Flight , test registration N5022E, registration A7-HHE, white livery, F/F Jan-30-2012, Acceptance date Feb-27-2012, Delivery flight (A7HHE-CYVR-KIAB) date Feb-28-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin has been installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas, Ferry flight to Hamburg at Aug- 29-2012, Cabin outfitting at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, Germany. Service entry in 2014.
@ L/N 1440 - 747-8Z5 , RC003, serial number 37500, BBJ customer Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight (Presidential Flight Authority) , white livery, 747-8I test aircraft #3, test registration N5020K, future registration A6-PFA, selcal code MR-DQ , F/F June 30-2011, Acceptance date May 24, Delivery flight (A6PFA-KIAB) date May-29-2012, will be stored during summer 2012 at Wichita, thereafter Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) . Cabin outfitting will be completed by Jet Aviation in Basel, Switzerland.
@ L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #5 , test registration N1785B, Cathay registration B-LJE, selcal code BF-CS, full livery, F/F Aug-13-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : October-31-2011.
@ L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37561, Atlas Air #4 , full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSD, selcal code HL-ZQ, F/F October-21-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (GSS7478- EGSS) date : November-03-2011
@ L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #2, test registration N5016R, LH registration D-ABYA, full livery, name : Brandenburg, selcal code BR-DA, F/F Feb-08-2012, Acceptance date April-25-2012, Delivery flight (DLH748 %u2013 EDDF) date : May 01 2012. Post delivery maintenance performed at Lufthansa Technik (EDDF). Inaugural flight DLH416 (EDDF-KIAD ) date: June-01-2012.
@ L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37568, Atlas Air #5, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSE, selcal code HM-BQ, F/F November-17-2011, Acceptance date : December-05-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-19-2011.
@ L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37569, Atlas Air #6, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSF, selcal code DK-JQ, F/F December-0 5-2011, Acceptance date : December-15-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-27-2011
@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud (Kingdom Holding Company), test registration N458BJ, registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Acceptance date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Stored at San Bernadino . Will be ferried to Boeing's Wichita, Kansas Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) facility for installation of the Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin. Thereafter , by the the year-end, the aircraft will be flown to Hamburg for cabin outfitting by Lufthansa Technik.
@ L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243, Cathay #6 , registration B-LJF, full livery, FAL Roll out date November 2, selcal code DR-EJ, F/F December-01-2011, Acceptance and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : December-12-2011.
@ L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number 37581, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2, registration VQ-BLQ, selcal code FM-DS, full livery, the last assembled 747-8 aircraft in 2011, F/F December-21-2011, Acceptance date Jan-26-2012. Delivery flight (ABW5011- KORD) date : Feb-03-2012.
@ L/N 1449 - 747-8KB , RC005, serial number 37075, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri flight, leased from Lewiston Investments, A7-HJA , selcal CE-JM, white livery, F/F March-31-2012, Acceptance and Delivery flight (A7HJA-CYVR-KIAB) date April -25-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas. Cabin outfitting will be done by completion center AMAC in Basel, Switzerland.
@ L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244, Cathay #7, future registration B-LJG, full livery, selcal code LM-AJ, F/F February-11-2012, Acceptance date Feb-25-2012, Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date Feb-27-2012.
@ L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, , Lufthansa #3, full livery, selcal code CR-DP, D-ABYC, F/F June-07-2012, Acceptance date June-30-2012, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date July-01-2012, PDM by LH Technik at EDDF. First operational Flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) July 25-2012.
@ L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number 37668, , AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3, full livery, test reg. N1788B, registration VQ-BLR, selcal code DK-FS, F/F March-16-2012, Acceptance date : March-30-2012, Delivery flight (ABW4011-KORD) date : April 04-2012.
@ L/N 1453 - 747-830, RC024, serial number 37829, Lufthansa #4 , D-ABYD, full livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 01-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date Aug-24-2012, PDM by LH technik
@ L/N 1454 -747-8R7F, RC505, serial number 35810, Cargolux #5, full livery, named : City of Echternach, registration LX-VCE, selcal AM-JP, F/F May 05 -2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date May 24-2012.
@ L/N 1455 - 747-87UF, RC577, serial number 37570, Atlas Air #7, full Panalpina livery, named : Spirit of Panalpina, registration N850GT, selcal code CM-GJ, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F May-15-2012, Acceptance and delivery flight (GTI609-VHHH) date : May-31-2012.
L/N 1456 - 747-830, RC025, serial number 37830, Lufthansa #5, D-ABYF, full livery, KPAE flight line, Scheduled delivery date Oct-23-2012
@ L/N 1457 - 747-867F, RC558, serial number 39245, Cathay #8, full livery, test registration N6018N, registration B-LJH, F/F June -14-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3337- CYVR)date : July 13 2012.
@ L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #8, Full Panalpina livery,named : Passion for Solutions, registration N851GT, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F July 12-2012, Acceptance date July 24, Delivery flight (KHSV-GTI9037)date July 25-2012.
L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ , RC006, serial number 41060, (unknown)BBJ customer , named " 521 " in Boeing documents, test registration N455BJ, unpainted with white rudders, KPAE building 40-24, F/F expected in first week of Octber, will be delivered " green " in 2012.
@L/N 1460 - 747-867F, RC559, serial number 39247, Cathay #9, future registration B-LJI, full livery, KPAE Flight line, F/F Aug-20-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3335 - CYVR) date Aug-30-2012.
L/N 1461 - 747-8R7F, RC506, serial number 35811, Cargolux#6, registration LX-VCF, full livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 30-2012, expected delivery Sept 10-2012.
L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37571, Atlas Air #9, registration N852GT, full Atlas livery, KPAE flight line, FAL roll-out Aug 07-2012, expected delivery Sept 28-2012
L/N1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC) #4 , VQ-BRH, unpainted with white rudders, KPAE flight line, expected delivery Oct. 2012
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At this moment : 4 Airframes at the Final Assembly Line (FAL) at Everett Building 40-22
L/N 1465 - 747-8R7F, RC507, serial number 35812, Cargolux #7, registration LX-VCG, slant position #1.
L/N 1466 - 747-8**/BBJ, RC007 , slant position #2.
L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, Atlas Air #10, body join position.
L/N 1468 - 747-8**/BBJ, RC008, wing join position
Airframes (18), scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change).
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L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA#4, registration JA14KZ
L/N 1470 - 747-830, RC026, serial number 37831, Lufthansa #6, D-ABYG, scheduled delivery *Jan 31 2013
L/N 1471 - 747-87UF, RC581, Atlas Air #11
L/N 1472 - 747-830, RC027, serial number 37832, Lufthansa #7, D-ABYH, scheduled delivery* Feb 28 2013
L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, Cargolux #8
L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, KAL#3, HL7617 ?
L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYI, scheduled delivery*April 30 2013
L/N 1476 - 747-87UF, RC582, Atlas Air #12
L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYJ, scheduled delivery* June 30 2013
L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, Cargolux #9
L/N 1479 - 747-8B5F, RC548, KAL #4
L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #10, D-ABYK, scheduled delivery* July 31 2013
L/N 1481 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36139, NCA #5, registration JA15KZ
L/N 1482 - 747-8HVF, RC605, Air Bridge Cargo( ABC) #5
L/N 1483 - 747-8FTF***, RC631, Air China Cargo #1 (CGC )
L/N 1484 - 747-8FTF***, RC632, Air China Cargo #2 (CGC)
L/N 1485 - 747-8KZF, RC526, NCA #6, registration JA16KZ
L/N 1486 - 747-8FTF***, RC633, Air China Cargo #3 (CGC)
? = Not confirmed by multiple sources.
*= Only one (1) source : http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa
**= Boeing Customer code not known.
***=Boeing internal airline code CGC = Air China Cargo . However no " not identified " customer is added to the Boeing order list. Aircraft are probably leased from a still unknown lessor (GECAS, DAE ??) seen the fact that a direct order (or a changed order from the 747-8I to -8F) must have been reported to the HK stock exchange. The Boeing customer code could be -FT (Air China Cargo) or the lessors customer code.
milestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 174, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14032 times:
So, for those who are far more knowledgeable than me about the processes that go on in Everett......Why is a plane with no engines and in the process of being refurbished at the fuel dock?
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 175, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13981 times:
Quoting milestones787 (Reply 174): Why is a plane with no engines and in the process of being refurbished at the fuel dock?
There are several possibilities:
-It's basically impossible to work on airplanes that are parked out on the storage areas (the closed runway, Kilo North ramp, etc.). They may just need a space to work and are using a fuel dock stall even though they may not be doing anything that actually needs a fuel dock.
-They may be doing internal fuel tank work (sealing, fastener replacement, etc.) where they need the fuel dock capabilities
-They may need to move that airplane to "unlock" another from it's parking spot (i.e. this is a temporary holding spot)
-They may have refurb work that requires a leak check (can be done anywhere but easier at the fuel dock)
-They may be waiting to enter paint
-About another dozen things I can't think of
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 176, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13976 times:
Quoting milestones787 (Reply 174): So, for those who are far more knowledgeable than me about the processes that go on in Everett......Why is a plane with no engines and in the process of being refurbished at the fuel dock?
They are probably deactivating the fuel tank in the horizontal tail.
In other news:
RC001 will go into a paint hangar next week to be stripped of its unique orange livery before being handed over to the VIP customer in late October. Say goodbye to the Big Orange!
KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 2410 posts, RR: 6 Reply 181, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 13476 times:
Quote: dd you read the post before yours?
Oops, only the Air Bridge Cargo part. Sorry.
Is it the I or F version ... good question. The deal from 2011 was about 5 747-8I aircraft but the production list by 747classic is speaking about the freighter version. Let's wait for the Boeing press release.
RobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3940 posts, RR: 19 Reply 182, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13352 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 172): At the end of the production list the latest additions to the 747-8 firing order are added . L/N 1483, 1484 and 1486 are now filled in (subject to change, as usual) with 747-8 freighter aircraft with variable numbers RC631, 632 and 633, all with an initially unknown internal customer code : " CGC ".
After checking all previous assigned internal customer codes, the discovery was made that " CGC " stands for Air China Cargo. RL501-L/N1369 and RL502-L/N1373 were produced as Air China Cargo 747-4FTF aircraft, with code " CGC ".
However a new direct order by Air China Cargo is very unlikely , because this has to be reported to the HK stock exchange. Also a change from the already ordered 5 747-8 Intercontinental aircraft for Air China (Order date March-07-2011, but not approved yet by the Chinese government, to be dlivered in 2014-2015) to 747-8 freighters must be reported to the HK stock exchange.
Most likely these three (3) 747-8F aircraft are leased from GECAS (2 orders) or DAE Capital (10 orders).
If GECAS is involved one extra freighter can be ordered later or one can be taken from the DAE order.
Won't be GECAS because they don't let airlines use their own identifier. All GECAS' own ordered aircraft have the 6N code so as these are FT they are not theirs.
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9710 posts, RR: 10 Reply 183, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13198 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 172): L/N 1483 - 747-8FTF***, RC631, Air China Cargo #1 (CGC )
L/N 1484 - 747-8FTF***, RC632, Air China Cargo #2 (CGC)
L/N 1486 - 747-8FTF***, RC633, Air China Cargo #3 (CGC)
***=Boeing internal airline code CGC = Air China Cargo . However no " not identified " customer is added to the Boeing order list. Aircraft are probably leased from a still unknown lessor (GECAS, DAE ??) seen the fact that a direct order (or a changed order from the 747-8I to -8F) must have been reported to the HK stock exchange. The Boeing customer code could be -FT (Air China Cargo) or the lessors customer code.
Interesting especially in connection with todays 748I confirmation of Air China.
Btw, when are Emirates first 748Fs to be expected?
rotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 402 posts, RR: 0 Reply 184, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13159 times:
Quoting na (Reply 183): Btw, when are Emirates first 748Fs to be expected?
Those frames were cancelled and replaced with 777F's. Reference below.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26956 posts, RR: 83 Reply 185, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13169 times:
Quoting na (Reply 183): Btw, when are Emirates first 748Fs to be expected?
Quoting rotating14 (Reply 184): Those frames were cancelled and replaced with 777F's. Reference below.
DAE still has 10 747-8 freighters on order per Boeing's O&D page (5 ordered on 30-Sep-2006 and 5 on 31-Dec-2007).
EK originally ordered 10 frames on 30-Sep-2006, then sold them to DAE on 16-Jul-2008 in a lease-back deal. EK instructed DAE to cancel five of the 747-8Fs in favor of the 777F, but they still intend to take the other 5 747-8Fs starting in 2013 and they hold 5 options for the type.
So perhaps DAE is the source of these AC 747-8F's?
rotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 402 posts, RR: 0 Reply 187, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13004 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 185): EK originally ordered 10 frames on 30-Sep-2006, then sold them to DAE on 16-Jul-2008 in a lease-back deal. EK instructed DAE to cancel five of the 747-8Fs in favor of the 777F, but they still intend to take the other 5 747-8Fs starting in 2013 and they hold 5 options for the type.
So perhaps DAE is the source of these AC 747-8F's?
I see. I fthis is indeed the case, Im curious why it is classified as new when the total tally would stay the same since 5 frames were not gained, rather swapped. Im only asing because I dont know the complexity of thses things.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26956 posts, RR: 83 Reply 188, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12984 times:
Quoting rotating14 (Reply 187): I fthis is indeed the case, Im curious why it is classified as new when the total tally would stay the same since 5 frames were not gained, rather swapped.
Air China ordered five new 747-8 Intercontinental airplanes, so that is a new order.
Boeing also added three line numbers for the 747-8F and assigned them the customer code for Air China Cargo (which is a separate code from Air China). However, there is no corresponding 747-8F order for Air China Cargo. So there was confusion as to whether Air China had in fact ordered the 747-8 freighter instead of the 747-8 passenger plane. However, if Air China had done that, the order would have been booked under Air China Cargo.
So I'm wondering if in addition to firming their 747-8 order, they have also signed a commitment for at least three 747-8Fs? We do know commitments require a deposit and that they can be assigned production slots, which could explain why Boeing has assigned three line numbers.
A commitment is not a firm order (though it is more than an MoU or LoI), so it does not appear to require the company to issue a financial statement. As such, this would explain why Air China Cargo has not made an announcement on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange.
Aircraft data :
L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37571, Atlas Air #9, registration N852GT, full Atlas livery, FAL roll-out Aug 07-2012, scheduled F/F September 14-2012, expected delivery Sept 28-2012
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 191, posted (9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12190 times:
The next 747-8F for AirBridgeCargo is scheduled today for a first flight (B1) flight towards Moses Lake with call sign BOE601, see : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE601
This aircraft is one of the early produced airframes that has been refurbished to delivery standard.
Aerial views of VQ-BGZ during refurbishment, August-2012, KPAE
Aircraft data :
L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , full ABC livery, scheduled F/F Sept-16-2012, expected delivery Sept-27-2012.
The delivery may slip one or two days, due additional required engine (Fan Mid Shaft) checks.
Laddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 489 posts, RR: 8 Reply 192, posted (9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11819 times:
Ray Conner (president of Boeing Commercial) is reconsidering the rate increases on all the Boeing jets, so Boeing may not ramp up to 2/month after all:
'Conner seemed less optimistic about prospects for maintaining plans to grow the 747-8 output to two per month.
"The cargo market has flattened," he said.'
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26956 posts, RR: 83 Reply 194, posted (9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11651 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 192): Thoughts? Is this the prudent thing to do?
Air Cargo remains rather stagnant, though cargo operators do seem to prefer new aircraft (747-8F and 777F) rather then keeping older, less-efficient planes (747-400BCF / MD-11F). Also, the 777F seems to be a better replacement for the 747-400BCF than the 747-8F, so the 777F seems to be the more popular model at the moment.
I'm pretty sure that CX have announced a deferral for some of their 747-8Fs and it's possible other customers have done the same. If the 747-8 Intercontinental had more customers it is possible Boeing could keep the rate up by slotting in passenger frames for deferred freighter frames, but with only a handful of 747-8 customers (and most of them with only a handful of frames), Boeing may just not have the production demand to support the higher rate.
And, of course, the latest issue with the GEnx engine won't be doing Boeing any favors and could dampen deliveries, meaning an accelerated production schedule would be still more airframes lounging around PAE.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 196, posted (9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11187 times:
Quoting Laddie (Reply 176): RC001 will go into a paint hangar next week to be stripped of its unique orange livery before being handed over to the VIP customer in late October. Say goodbye to the Big Orange!
According Matt Cawby on twitter, N6067E / RC001 is now in the paint hangar 45-01 and getting the " full red-orange Boeing Sunrise " paint stripped off.
See : http://twitter.com/mattcawby
someone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 2825 posts, RR: 1 Reply 197, posted (9 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10613 times:
According to ATW Online, Atlas Air will opeeate two 747-8f on behalf of DHL Express/Polar Air express from Q4. The question is then which liveries these aircraft will get?
ER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2249 posts, RR: 8 Reply 199, posted (9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10486 times:
Quoting someone83 (Reply 197): According to ATW Online, Atlas Air will opeeate two 747-8f on behalf of DHL Express/Polar Air express from Q4. The question is then which liveries these aircraft will get?
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 200, posted (9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10467 times:
Quoting someone83 (Reply 197): According to ATW Online, Atlas Air will operate two 747-8f on behalf of DHL Express/Polar Air express from Q4. The question is then which liveries these aircraft will get?
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 198): I guess L/N 1462 and L/N 1467 are going to be the 2 frames for the job. The first one is already painted in the Atlas Air livery.
Seen the fact that L/N 1462 only two weeks ago has been painted in full Atlas Air livery and not in the mixed DHL/Polar livery of the Polar 747-46NF aircraft presently operating for DHL, more probably will be that L/N 1467 and L/N 1471 will be used to replace both 744F aircraft.
But it's also a (calculated) guess.
L/N 1471 will be rolled out in December, so the delivery could happen just before the Christmas -New Year factory shutdown or otherwise at the start of January 2013.
Polar Air aircraft presently operated for DHL Express :
flightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 430 posts, RR: 1 Reply 203, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10118 times:
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26956 posts, RR: 83 Reply 204, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10130 times:
CI painted one of their 747-400's with Boeing's "Dreamliner" house livery, so if they become a future 747-8 customer, perhaps they will resurrect RC001's color scheme.
milestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 206, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9031 times:
Any evidence that the newest 747-8F, L/N 1465, RC507, Cargolux #7, reg. LX-VCG has rolled out of the factory yet? I couldn't tell from Matt Cawby's latest flight line video.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 207, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8844 times:
Quoting milestones787 (Reply 206): Any evidence that the newest 747-8F, L/N 1465, RC507, Cargolux #7, reg. LX-VCG has rolled out of the factory yet? I couldn't tell from Matt Cawby's latest flight line video.
According a very reliable source : 747-8 aircraft positions at KPAE as of 25 September.
South end of flight line : L/N1459, 1462,1430, 1456, 1464, 1465, 1463.
Cargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1178 posts, RR: 8 Reply 208, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8276 times:
Well, if you hadn't seen it before, RC579 is now in the A.net DB in full Atlas colors:
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 209, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8201 times:
RC603/VQ-BLR, the AirBridgeCargo 747-8HVF aircraft that suffered an engine failure and rejected Take Off at PVG (Shanghai) at 2012-09-11 returned to service at 2012-09-22 (after 11 days !!) see :
Aircraft data : L/N 1456 - 747-830, RC025, serial number 37830, Lufthansa #5, D-ABYF, full livery, F/F Sept-28-2012, Scheduled delivery date Oct-23-2012.
A Condor 747-230B was delivered with the same registration in 1971.
Aircraft data : L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37571, Atlas Air #9, registration N852GT, full Atlas livery, KPAE flight line, FAL roll-out Aug 07-2012, F/F September 14-2012, Acceptance/Delivery flight (GTI852-KCVG) date Sept 29-2012
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 223, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5150 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 196): According Matt Cawby on twitter, N6067E / RC001 is now in the paint hangar 45-01 and getting the " full red-orange Boeing Sunrise " paint stripped off.
milestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 224, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5101 times:
Wow, what a welcome surprise! Like most of us, I was anticipating a basic white paint job, but that is a great replacement for the "Big Orange" livery.
Also, is there an updated October delivery schedule? Sure seems like there are a bunch of 747-8s piling up around Paine Field...
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 225, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4974 times:
GE has issued a new GEnx service bulletin for inspection of certain parts in the low pressure turbine (LPT) section following the discovery that the suspected cause of the ABC 747-8F engine failure in Shanghai was NOT the Fan Mid Shaft (FMS) but a wrongly installed LPT- part.
Could this have caused the latest (slight) 747-8 delivery delays ?
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I really liked that livery and was hoping it would Stay...
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