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China New Kunming Airport Start To Operate  
User currently offlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 5106 times:
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The new airport in Kunming China start to operate today called Kunming Changshui International Airport replace the old one called Kunming Wujiaba International Airport. The new airport has the second largest terminal building in China.

http://news.cntv.cn/china/20120628/109290.shtml

in mandarin only.

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User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

More pictures here of the last day and the last flight out of the old KMG and the first day and first flight out of the new KMG. Caption in Chinese.

http://pic.feeyo.com/posts/565/5658387.html


User currently offlineCZ346 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

Yet another massive massive airport that wont see half the traffic its built for.

KMG is one of the higher traffic airports though. Nanchang airport IMO is the most absurd, just massive massive facilities and very little traffic.

I've always said the only facility in China thats built to such a massive scale and still needs expansion is the Guangzhou Expo Centre for the Canton Fair..


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

Quoting CZ346 (Reply 2):

Yet another massive massive airport that wont see half the traffic its built for.

KMG is one of the higher traffic airports though. Nanchang airport IMO is the most absurd, just massive massive facilities and very little traffic.

Hmm. And yet in the West, many of our airports are at or over capacity, we have huge difficulties in enlarging them, and we wonder why oh why our politicians didn't have the foresight to make them bigger and more extendable from the get-go...



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 3):
And yet in the West, many of our airports are at or over capacity, we have huge difficulties in enlarging them, and we wonder why oh why our politicians didn't have the foresight to make them bigger and more extendable from the get-go...

Both methods are wrong... under-building and over-building. Both have long-term permanent costs.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9041 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4548 times:

Quoting CZ346 (Reply 2):
Yet another massive massive airport that wont see half the traffic its built for.

Maybe not today, however as more of the population can afford to fly, and exports increase, the airport will increase in traffic. The other issues with KMG, it is strategically important as a diversion airfield with the high terrain around it. With a single runway only at the old airport, and close in terrain. The new airport is a safer option with two runways, which allows for one to close for maintenance and still provide a landing runway is far better solution.



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User currently offlineCZ346 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 5):

I agree. Like I was saying this one will see more than others, along with the problems of the surrounding terrain. I know it will see the traffic.... China needs a huge restructuring of their ATC network and implimentation of precision approaches, and I know that is a big part of why this new airport was built.


User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

I don't know about you, but I personally think this airport terminal is stunning!!! Looking at those pictures I felt like I should've been there to experience such a special moment. The yellow is so emblematic of China! I wish we could have anything that would slightly resemble such airport here in Brazil.

User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1688 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

I flew into the old one 3 years ago, will be nice to try the new one out on my next trip to south China.  


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13047 posts, RR: 100
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3475 times:
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Congrats on the new airport.

Was the old airport really at 22M+ passengers per year on *one* runway? That is far too congested. Anything more than 15M pax/year on one runway and passengers are being forced to fly at times they would rather not. Which means they might not choose not to fly.

Quoting CZ346 (Reply 2):
Yet another massive massive airport that wont see half the traffic its built for.

Airports should be built for 15 years of growth. You managed to take this thread off track pretty quick. However, the new airport should allow 30% growth (call it to 30 mill pax/year) pretty quickly. In other words, a non-capitol city will have the two runways well utilized within 3 to 5 years. So its a good thing more runways are planned. Otherwise that city will be out of capacity well before 15 years from now.

Quoting CZ346 (Reply 2):
I've always said the only facility in China thats built to such a massive scale and still needs expansion

PEK and PVG airports both require expansion. Others have in the past. If an airport is maxed out, one should build for twice the current traffic! Any more, and the airport is uneconomical. Any less, and the capacity maxes out too quickly. The fact that the Chinese are planning for future stages of growth?   

Imagine if the Thames Estuary airport is ever built with 4 runways and 24/7 operations.    We wouldn't be debating about airport access to London, but rather which airport.   

Quoting Rara (Reply 3):
And yet in the West, many of our airports are at or over capacity, we have huge difficulties in enlarging them, and we wonder why oh why our politicians didn't have the foresight to make them bigger and more extendable from the get-go...

And then we complain when trans-ocean or other long haul hubbing is done in another nation... sigh. Airports should double every 15 years. Growth happens. The question is where, not if.

Quoting zeke (Reply 5):
however as more of the population can afford to fly, and exports increase, the airport will increase in traffic.

   No one is going to keep billions of people form aspiring to the middle class.

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User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1114 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

Quoting CZ346 (Reply 2):

KMG is one of the higher traffic airports though. Nanchang airport IMO is the most absurd, just massive massive facilities and very little traffic.

If you bother to do a bit of research, Kunming is a much more significant destination than Nanchang due to its location, and the passenger figures reflect this. Kunming is considered a significant gateway to key tourism areas in SW China partly due to the lack of alternatives, while Nanchang is dwarfed by much larger cities around it which are easily accessible by train.

Nanchang airport isn't hugely unnecessarily massive, btw, running at 5 million in a 12 million capacity airport. There are better examples to target, such as Zhuhai, then the second largest in China in terms of area (IIRC) and built for 12 million people back in 1995, is still handling only 1.8 million last year despite promises of a new dawn around 2005 due to cooperative agreements with HKIA.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7496 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Ain't this the airport with the 15,000 foot runway?


次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3322 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
Kunming Changshui International Airport

Looking at it on google maps, it doesn't appear so.



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User currently offlineslinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
Ain't this the airport with the 15,000 foot runway?

13,123 ft and 14,763 feet apparently.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7496 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 13):
13,123 ft and 14,763 feet apparently.

Still pretty long. What's the altitude?



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineslinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
Still pretty long. What's the altitude?

I believe 2,100 metres, about 7,000 feet (my metric to imperial conversion is rough).


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