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Air Tahiti Nui – One More Year, One More Loss  
User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1296 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 19445 times:

Well its year 12, and 12 years of loss so far.

Air Tahiti Nui auditors released the 2011 figures and no surprise little French Polynesian airline recorded loss of more than double of 2010 with net loss of €8.7mil after all the figures were adjusted including economic subsidies by France in overseas territories.
Overall passenger traffic was up slightly (1%) with load factor of 75%. They see weakness in Japan market, but otherwise inbound tourism market improved for first time in 2011.

Cost of kerosene was the main blame this time.

Airline says they hope 2012 will be little more positive as they continue to seek cost reductions program including staff cut, and reduce fleet size, along with hope for improved revenues generated with new code-share agreements with Qantas and American Airlines.

Airline also confirmed they plan their cabin refurbishment program (eliminate F class, new C class), with the new cabin being available starting April 2013.


Bon chance

Story (in French)
http://www.pros-du-tourisme.com/actu...hiti-nui-a-perdu-87-m-en-2011.html
http://www.quotidiendutourisme.com/s...jours-dans-la-tourmente-67218.html


Oh and in anticipation of the news – staff at airport went on strike over weekend causing disruption and rescheduling of services.   

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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 19379 times:

Twelve straight years of loss? Why didn't they try to reconsider what they offer and maybe save a few bucks here and there by say................year 3?

User currently offlineladdb From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 19379 times:

That is sad news. I have only flown them once, but it was a better experience than my AF flight to Tahiti. Forgive my questions, because I have not followed Air Tahiti Nui much lately....

If they reduce their fleet, then they must also reduce their destinations, or frequency? Any speculations?

Do you know where to find information on losses in prior years?

It seems that when there were 3 cruise ships doing the Tahiti area, (2 Renaissance and 1 Regent) that is when they should have had the largest load factors.


User currently offlinecat3dual From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 19190 times:

Put a fork in it, Tahiti.

Plenty of other carriers out there that will fill the gap overnight.


User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1296 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 19169 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):
Twelve straight years of loss? Why didn't they try to reconsider what they offer and maybe save a few bucks here and there by say................year 3?

Yes well we have had this discussion before but come down to politics, and desire of some on island to run an exotic enterprise. Many enterprises were forced to invest and back TN even in face of poor economic prospects.

Over the years many competing airlines were run off the island, and now essentially everyone is hostage to continuation of TN as there is no alternate capacity.

Global economic hardship is now causing great stress and even government has finally realized they cannot continue endless subsidy for airline venture. As discussed on this board they brought in new management from Europe that make suggestion of needed changes but that CEO was fired and run off island after one year. Now government appoint their own person, who is also trying to make decisions to reduced cost and balance finances. Right now lots of talk, but not much improvement while airline continue to bleed.

Quoting laddb (Reply 2):
If they reduce their fleet, then they must also reduce their destinations, or frequency? Any speculations?

The required fleet is barely 4 frames, so they were able to removed a 5th aircraft. For long period they offered it for charters.

Keep in mind TN has already dropped several markets, such as SYD, JFK and KIX. Remaning destinations at LAX, CDG, AKL and NRT.

Quoting laddb (Reply 2):
Do you know where to find information on losses in prior years?

I have infos, however with the government recapitalization of the company last year, investors were wiped out as accumulated losses had reached €100mil exceeding capital of the enterprise.

Quoting laddb (Reply 2):
It seems that when there were 3 cruise ships doing the Tahiti area, (2 Renaissance and 1 Regent) that is when they should have had the largest load factors.

Yes tourism was high back then, but airline still lost money. Such ships no longer are based in Polynesia.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 868 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 19067 times:

Quoting mercure1 (Thread starter):
Air Tahiti Nui auditors released the 2011 figures and no surprise little French Polynesian airline recorded loss of more than double of 2010 with net loss of EUR 8.7mil after all the figures were adjusted including economic subsidies by France in overseas territories.

I must admit I expected worse, but if you haven't got 8.7M Euros it's a problem. I think all the aircraft are leased, so a sale and leaseback isn't possible. What happens now?

PA515

[Edited 2012-06-28 12:07:35]

User currently offlinepanpan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 19034 times:

that seems like a pretty small loss for a state run airline. good for them. i wonder whether after all the downstream stuff is tallied if it's a loss at all.

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 18774 times:

Mercury, don't exaggerate.

I went to meet the strikers at Faaa on Monday: their action is because the employers have not honoured their commitments under the 2010 contractual agreements. And the strikers are ground staff.

A contract, is a contract, and should be honoured.


User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1296 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 18622 times:

€8.7mil is large for such a tiny airline and country. Its more than double the €3.6mil of 2010. Also remember this is a “NET” number and is the final loss after benefit of things like Metropolitan France economic subsidy to the airline. No one says what this subsidy figure was in 2011, except they say it was €2.5 mil less than 2010. So in reality airline actual operations produce even worse results that are covered by these government assistance.

Maybe to put in better perspective, the proposed cuts of 100 staff (out of 700) and aircraft grounding at ATN was meant to credit €5.0 mil in savings. Clearly that is not enough with these result. Maybe they need to revise target to €10mi now?

If it was no big deal, you would not have the President of the country personally involved now meeting with unions, potential business partners, and making comments that things are no longer sustainable. For the first 10-years everyone seems to have ingnored the inherit economy fallacy airline was built upon, but now €100mil later its become a real problem.

Quoting koruman (Reply 7):
A contract, is a contract, and should be honoured.

I think as they say in America - "A times are changing".

Its not just airline or airport people put also government and all types of private employees also. The world is changing, including in French Polynesia and what was promised or economic possible once is no longer supportable.
Market conditions at FAAA are different. For example the regional airline Air Tahiti once long profitable itself is also having economic problems for the first time in ages.

Anyhow these unions (fire fighters & fuelers) they seem to enjoy striking in June. Both in 2011 and 2010 they also were the same strikes that effected FAAA June activity.


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 18345 times:

Mercure1, I agree with what you say about Air Tahiti Nui.

But the strike is another matter. I live in Australia, and adherence to a contract by both employer and employees is not optional. That should be universal. After all, none of us in non-US western countries would tolerate the US labour situation, where an employer can give a worker less than four weeks annual leave. There would be blood on the streets.

Times are tough in French Polynesia, but a contract is a contract.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24834 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 18295 times:

These guys really sound like a broken record.

Kinda feel bad to the local’s. They were promised a shinny airline that would make them proud, instead its been more a nightmare that continues to empty the bank, while now having created a situation where there is not much alternate service in place.

I’d be curious to know also how much mainland France subsidizes the airline operations directly and indirectly. I recall much of the A340 financing was covered by mainland France and approved in the French parliament.

I guess the true losses of the venture are even worse than the public numbers, as parts of the accounts can be conveniently covered by government funds.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 18142 times:

Quoting mercure1 (Thread starter):
and reduce fleet size
Quoting mercure1 (Reply 4):
The required fleet is barely 4 frames, so they were able to removed a 5th aircraft. For long period they offered it for charters.

Which aircraft was removed from the fleet? And what was its fate? If they could make money from charters elsewhere in the world to support their main business (flying passengers to Tahiti) then that is beneficial.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6529 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 18006 times:

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 8):
If it was no big deal, you would not have the President of the country personally involved now meeting with unions, potential business partners, and making comments that things are no longer sustainable.

You mean the president of French Polynesia, right, not François Hollande ? The one that is changed every year or so because of political instability ?

BTW, I don't know much about what's going on over there, but I just read that this president thinks that now that a left-wing president is in place in mainland France, money will flow for Polynesia. I guess he doesn't know what's going on in "mainland Europe", but even then, I also read he's independentist. So why would the national government send money to him that wants to break off with it ?



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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3135 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 17944 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
These guys really sound like a broken record.

You have only to hear the broken record of local politics to understand why so little has been done to remedy the situation with this French Territorially owned airline. Look up the names of Gaston Flosse, Oscar Temaru and Gaston Tong-Sang and you'll see that their infighting has left the territory impotent to do anything meaningful in terms of affecting positive change - this includes that of the airline which continues to rely upon the patronage of Paris.



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 16155 times:

LAXintl, the whole of French Polynesia depends upon cash transfers from France, just like American Samoa and Guam float only through American largesse.

French Polynesians are French citizens, and a free market won't deliver them first world living standards, so the two options are the Guadeloupe/Martinique option of most of the country on government handouts, or subsidised social engineering with France underwriting service industries, airlines, tourism and TV channels which are otherwise unviable but employ significant numbers of people. And at least when French Polynesia's left is in power those people actually exist, and do real work!

Americans seem indifferent to lamentable living standards in American Samoa and Micronesia, but the French will not allow French citizens to live like Third World residents. If you think someone is going to pull the plug you're kidding yourself.


User currently offlinegoosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15511 times:

This is a loss of about €2m per aircraft even with a 75% load factor. Not bad going! I love the colour scheme on these aircraft so want it to survive especially as they pass over Yorkshire every day bringing a bit of the tropics with it! What to do though?

Fuel costs are currently receeding which may help it into the black? However oil is dropping because the economy is going to hell which means fewer passengers. Perhpas AF should help out by not flying there and they can share the revenue?


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 15319 times:

Maybe it's the damn LAXCDG tag that's really screwing the financials ... How about let AF handle that and let TN focus only on intra pacific nonstops out of Tahiti ?

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 15165 times:

The problem is that if AF and TN codeshare and pool their services, fares will rise, yields will rise and profits will increase, especially if they cut capacity.

I understand that to those of you in the USA that sounds like a good thing, but it would be an act of national suicide. The problem is that visitor numbers would fall, hotels would close, unemployment would skyrocket and the state would have to subsidise the people who lost their jobs.

That's why the current losses are not necessarily a severe problem.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4859 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13714 times:

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 8):
€8.7mil is large for such a tiny airline and country. Its more than double the €3.6mil of 2010

What was the change in their cash position year over year? This is a useful marker.


User currently offlinevio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13408 times:

I don't think it's their service that brings these poor (economic) performances. The truth is, Tahiti, is extremely expensive and most people can't afford to go there. Why would I spend 6000 from Canada / US to spend a week in Bora Bora or elsewhere, when I have Cuba / Dominican / Jamaica, etc for 1500 / week (all inclusive)...?

Tahiti can't compete with the Caribbean when it comes to value of a vacation, not to mention the amount of time you have spend to get there. After spending 2 weeks in the Cook Islands, I understand why very few North Americans go there... not to mention the Europeans, when they have Greece, Bulgaria, Spain, etc that's a stone-throw away for them.



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User currently offlineedina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 743 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13335 times:

Quoting laddb (Reply 2):

It seems that when there were 3 cruise ships doing the Tahiti area, (2 Renaissance and 1 Regent) that is when they should have had the largest load factors.

There's still plenty of cruise traffic....

The Paul Gaugin is still homeported in Tahiti....she is still a popular high end ship & is now directly operated by her owners rather than being operated under a management contract with Regent.

Renaissance Cruises may no longer exist, but the management team behind them started Oceania Cruises nearly ten years ago with two of the former Renaissance ships. Regatta, the former R2, has just completed her Polynesian season, with their larger 1250 pax newbuild, Marina, set to operate similar itineraries next year. As an aside, Oceania now have Regent as a sister brand when Oceania's financial backers Apollo Management, created Prestige Cruise Holdings as a parent company to both lines, and is managed by the senior executives of Oceania.

There are several other lines that use PPT as a turnaround port on a less frequent basis, but be assured that TN is still bringing a large proportion of this traffic flow to their ships.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13333 times:

Quoting vio (Reply 19):
I don't think it's their service that brings these poor (economic) performances. The truth is, Tahiti, is extremely expensive and most people can't afford to go there. Why would I spend 6000 from Canada / US to spend a week in Bora Bora or elsewhere, when I have Cuba / Dominican / Jamaica, etc for 1500 / week (all inclusive)...?

Tahiti can't compete with the Caribbean when it comes to value of a vacation, not to mention the amount of time you have spend to get there. After spending 2 weeks in the Cook Islands, I understand why very few North Americans go there... not to mention the Europeans, when they have Greece, Bulgaria, Spain, etc that's a stone-throw away for them.

I'd add that even Oceania is not close to PPT at all. SYD-PPT is only barely shorter than PPT-LAX. (those king's ransom that HA call economy class on HNL-PPT aren't helping either)


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3836 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13188 times:

Quoting vio (Reply 19):
Tahiti can't compete with the Caribbean when it comes to value of a vacation, not to mention the amount of time you have spend to get there. After spending 2 weeks in the Cook Islands, I understand why very few North Americans go there... not to mention the Europeans, when they have Greece, Bulgaria, Spain, etc that's a stone-throw away for them.

Most of the islands in the Pacific has alot less tourists and are not as developed as most of it's Caribbean counterparts wich is why atleast I prefer to go to the islands in the Pacific rather than the Caribbean.

The islands of the Pacific has alot less hotels, flights and tourist activity than their Caribbean counterparts and is for most people alot further away, wich is why it's alot more expensive to get there and stay there.

While it can be problematic for the island people of the Pacific to live in such a place, I for one hope that the islands don't become too comercially developed.

[Edited 2012-06-29 09:13:34]

User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1296 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12930 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 12):
You mean the president of French Polynesia, right, not François Hollande ?

Correct

Quoting Aesma (Reply 12):
The one that is changed every year or so because of political instability ?

We have a assembly system, and as either elections change the makeup (very often coalition governments) or people resign the government leadership also changes. In nearly 30-years, there has been about 15 changes in government. Current president has served the position 5 occasions over the decade.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 12):
BTW, I don't know much about what's going on over there, but I just read that this president thinks that now that a left-wing president is in place in mainland France, money will flow for Polynesia. I guess he doesn't know what's going on in "mainland Europe", but even then, I also read he's independentist. So why would the national government send money to him that wants to break off with it ?

Yes Hollande promise as part of campaign to reestablish funding that was cut to overseas territories by Sarko. For instance in FP subsidies for teachers were cut, along with many other assistance.
Also Hollande has stated he is more open to a more independent relationships with territories so local politicos heavily supported Hollande in election due to this fact.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 18):
What was the change in their cash position year over year? This is a useful marker.

Different accounting systems and not regularly reported. But in essence airline accounts had zero value in the last fall when company was recapitalized by government and wipe out nearly everyones previous investment. This was the 3rd recapitalization with one previous in 2009. Now government owns 85% of airline and written off over €100mil direct investment so far. Who knows how much all the private investors over the years lost also.

Quoting vio (Reply 19):
Tahiti can't compete with the Caribbean when it comes to value of a vacation, not to mention the amount of time you have spend to get there.

French Polynesia is not trying to compete against the Caribbean. The entire hotel capacity in FP can probably be fit inside a Caribbean mega resort or two.


User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12820 times:
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Quoting koruman (Reply 14):
Americans seem indifferent to lamentable living standards in American Samoa and Micronesia, but the French will not allow French citizens to live like Third World residents. If you think someone is going to pull the plug you're kidding yourself.

But there are no natural US citizens in either of those places. At most you are a US national. If you want a direct comparison, lets compare Hawaii with Tahiti, and one sees that the former has a much healthier economic model, with much less reliance on the mother country, and more than double the income per capita.


25 koruman : If you are talking about Hawaii's population and economy you are talking about Oahu. And there is even less even distribution of wealth than in Tahiti
26 LAXPPT : The story is better looked at from the position of Five year business plans. The first five years was 1999-2004. During this time ATN reached break ev
27 Airxliban : I think the more relevant question is whether the airline is providing a net economic benefit to Tahiti. In the context of the statement below, I tend
28 mcg : That is true, as long as someone is willing to fund the 8.7 million loss.
29 QANTAS747-438 : Exactly. For this reason, I hypothesize the question, does it matter if Air Tahiti Nui makes a profit? The airline itself IS the thing that brings pe
30 Mercure1 : Yes but lets go back and remember how airline market was prior to TN. Tahiti enjoyed a wide range of capacity and service options - Air NZ, Qantas, Co
31 LAXPPT : When discussing the reasons why airlines are not flying to Tahiti it helps if you have an understanding of airline and route costs. Tahiti is a "long,
32 LAXintl : I am sure we all agree there is a finite market to Tahiti - after all there is only a fixed hotel capacity. However a valid argument is that with TN i
33 koruman : I agree with LAXintl more than LAXPPT. For many years LAX-PPT was one of Air NZ's highest-yielding sectors - the eventual problem was that the 763 cou
34 LAXintl : Indeed, if the desire was to maintain some level of seat capacity to PPT, then the easier (and cheaper) alternative would be to follow what is done ma
35 poLOT : Exactly. No one is saying that Tahiti shouldn't be supporting air travel in order to boost tourism and improve the local economy. Tahiti is a small a
36 Independence76 : TN is not hopeless. I can only imagine one of the reasons for their losses is not simply politics and lack of tourism, but their lack of an updated fl
37 poLOT : I don't think an early 2000s vintage A333 would have had enough range for the routes that they fly, and an A332 probably would have been pushing it t
38 mercure1 : Yes I guess its important as mentioned to remember that TN was formed per the dreams of some of local politicos with help from mainland France. So may
39 LAXintl : Yes I am sure the A340 is not helping things these days with fuel cost. Even Airbus happily shows off the 20%+ fuel burn advantage the A330 has over t
40 sunrisevalley : Have the reasons for the tourism drop been identified? There has to be a reason for the drop from 252000 to 154000 over 10-years. Reduction in market
41 koruman : A significant part, in my opinion, relates to passengers being reluctant to buy the most expensive air ticket of the year on a carrier which earns the
42 mercure1 : Well first lets look at how things were in 2000. That year there were 10 airlines that offer overseas scheduled flights to PPT (Air France, Air NZ, AO
43 FlySSC : Air Tahiti Nui is nothing but a typical "political" airline with NO economical justification. They never made a single $ of profit and they never will
44 Flighty : Arguably, Tahiti is very isolated and would try to justify the airline on the basis of its tourism industry as a whole. Maybe this is wrong, but Tahi
45 Post contains links and images lightsaber : That sums it up. It sounds like new service would be dependent upon new hotels... A market for EK? I agree with that. But long term, the PPT market s
46 LAXPPT : WOW - so many comments since my last posting and clearly with strong emotions with words like tragedy and terrible.! BUT - what I note is no comment a
47 koruman : The situation in terms of a monopoly is actually worse than it appears: LAN Chile is down from 2/3 flights weekly to once weekly, so is Air Calin, and
48 777ER : IMHO even tho TN hasn't made one little profit in 12 years, TN is certainly an interesting story. Maybe its time to replace those V8 fuel guzzling A34
49 AirAfreak : As a Delta SkyMiles Member, you may redeem your miles for flight awards operated by Air Tahiti Nui. Accrual, however, is not possible.
50 mercure1 : Yes its sad and true many hotel properties sit vacant these days. Local economy is depressed with increasing social unhappiness. As far as comment tha
51 mercure1 : Little news from TN, is that they signed agreement with Abu Dhabi-based Mubadala Aerospace for maintenance services on the A340 fleet. Starting May 20
52 mercure1 : Heads up for anyone travelling TN - The two cabin crew union are scheduled to go on strike Monday August 6 for indefinite period following failure to
53 Post contains images goldorak : So if I understand correctly, TN will have to ferry their A340 (empty) to AUH for C-checks and cabin refurbishments ? Knowing there is nowhere in thi
54 AOMlover : That's not sure, as Mubadala owns SR Technics. The works may therefore be performed in Zürich, which is not far from CDG.
55 mercure1 : I recall during Mubadala Aerospace announcement they said work likely could be done in Ireland. But airlines contracting with companies far away is no
56 Mercure1 : Strike commence at midnight. So far no flights affected as TN008 PPT-LAX departure was moved up to 2330. Also reported inbound service to Tahiti from
57 Roseflyer : I wonder if it would be cheaper for the Tahitian government to subsidize Air New Zealand operating PPT-LAX/NRT and just give up all together with the
58 drerx7 : That would be great for Star A'ers like myself.
59 mercure1 : The cabin crew strike continues. At the moment no talks schedule. Crew has issued10-demands. - Job guarantee that following cabin refurbishment elimin
60 Mortyman : What is the name of the hotel ? Is it the Sofitel Maeva Beach Hotel ?
61 Post contains links mercure1 : Yes the Maeva Beach Sofitel. They experiencing loss since 2006. Here is news story in English http://www.rnzi.com/pages/news.php?op=read&id=70112
62 Post contains images Mortyman : Very sad. Have stayed at this hotel twice
63 LAXintl : Yes many have suggested the FP government maybe look to make deals with various airlines and subsidize inbound services. AirNZ seems like a natural co
64 AOMlover : The Manihi Pearl Beach Resort is closing down as well...something is going very, very wrong in FP.
65 HAL : I think HA, with its growing fleet, profitability, and good service might be a good match here to go between PPT and the USA. HAL
66 Post contains images mercure1 : Strike continue. About 2,000 people stuck. TN says they are chartering special flight to AKL and SYD to help repatriate people. Many hotels are suffer
67 HAL : I think 1x per week is all the Hawaii-Tahiti market can stand. I was thinking (like you suggested) more of adding PPT-LAX/SFO/JFK flights. Yes, the D
68 koruman : When I was in Tahiti six weeks ago I visited the Hawaiian office at Faaa, and was told that they would be going up to twice weekly in 2013. Unfortunat
69 Mortyman : What kind of equipment does HA use o0n the Hawaii - Tahiti route ? Is it the B767 ?
70 Post contains images HAL : It's the 767 now, although if the crew rest regulations don't change, they'll have to use the A330 next year (or layover the pilots for a few days! )
71 mercure1 : Yes PPT-HNL market is not very big – I guess mostly Tahitians on shopping trips. But what surprise me is HA does not make use of its good network co
72 mercure1 : TN strike conflict ends. No official details, but union and company signed memorandum of agreement. Some news report say company capitulate and crews
73 ZKOJH : it's just back and forth with them how bad is that for a customer! nail them in a be done with it! there are plenty of other airlines in the south pac
74 Mozart : You are jumping to conclusions. I agree with your analysis of long thin routes and that very probably some (many?) of the airlines that served PPT in
75 mercure1 : Yes like many nations labor unions have part in society, and especially strong in some sectors. While at one time government and unions were often in
76 Aesma : Barbados and Bahamas are highly ranked in that dubious index, so that doesn't say much. The US is only 1 place better than France.
77 mercure1 : News that 1 A340 will be leased to Air Calin for 3-months between September 20 and end of December. TN crew will operate 3x weekly Noumea - Tokyo, 1x
78 milesrich : Most of all of you claim that if Air Tahiti Nui stops operations, other carriers will fill in. Maybe, you are correct, and maybe you are wrong. But th
79 lightsaber : Where are the Chinese tourists to Tahiti? Only if the market opens up would that happen. I would hazard to guess if competition were allowed back in t
80 koruman : Sadly yes, If Air Tahiti Nui disappeared then Qantas and Air New Zealand would be back in no time, and between them and Air France all three alliances
81 mercure1 : Yes problem today is the near monopoly situation had with TN. This is strangling FP. For example only three weeks ago tourism partners like hotels hel
82 LAXintl : Certainly sad to see the declines being experienced in FP year after year. Instead of the dream meant to be a bright tool foster tourism to the island
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