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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11707 times:

http://www.etravelblackboardasia.com.../84934/ba-to-fly-leeds-to-heathrow

That's good news for all concerned.

BA is improving coverage on the domestic front.

Be interesting to watch developments................


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User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11692 times:

Old news mate!

BA - BMI Domestic T1 And T5 (by liverpoola380 Jun 27 2012 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11671 times:

Quoting BAW076 (Reply 1):
Old news mate!

Oh for gods sake.

Lol



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User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11651 times:

LOL don't worry, we've all done it in our time!

Great news for LBA though!



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11620 times:

Quoting BAW076 (Reply 3):
Great news for LBA though!

Great news for a great city.

(when its not under water)

  



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User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11560 times:

Since BMR are banged to rights and won't be around for much longer, who will take over the EDI-LBA route?

I imagine that the only contender would be Flybe/Loganair for this route. Could be a useful one for Loganair in the Saab 340, they recently started GLA-LBA... Not sure what the loads are like though.



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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24911 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11553 times:

Quoting BAW076 (Reply 5):
Not sure what the loads are like though.

The EDI flight competed with the East Coast train service and thus loads on the flights were abysmal - although those flying may have been paying a large premium. GLA does not have the direct train IIRC, so it's more cost effective to fly.



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User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11499 times:

I just checked the loads on today's GLA-LBA-GLA flights:

This mornings flight was:
BE6980 GLA-LBA... 6 pax
BE6981 LBA-GLA... 3 pax

And for this afternoon's flight:
BE6984 GLA-LBA... 19 pax
BE6985 LBA-GLA... 8 pax

So out of 136 seats overall, only 36 have been filled.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11010 times:

EDI-LBA was dropped in April before the sale.

User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10671 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 6):
The EDI flight competed with the East Coast train service and thus loads on the flights were abysmal - although those flying may have been paying a large premium. GLA does not have the direct train IIRC, so it's more cost effective to fly.

I'm fairly certain you can catch a train out of London Euston to Glasgow Central. Also East Coast run the odd service from Kings Cross to Glasgow via Edinburgh (or at least they did).



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2963 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10587 times:
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Quoting gingersnap (Reply 9):
I'm fairly certain you can catch a train out of London Euston to Glasgow Central. Also East Coast run the odd service from Kings Cross to Glasgow via Edinburgh (or at least they did).

Gkirk was talking about Leeds- Scotland traffic not London- Scotland

As for Leeds- Glasgow by train its a picturesque and sedate experience at best via the Settle - Carlisle line
on one of these


As for LBA - EDI the route collapsed as a direct result of the banking crisis and loss of premium RBS/Halifax traffic


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10586 times:

With loads like what was reported above, no wonder the route will be dropped

[Edited 2012-06-29 05:36:43]


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User currently offlinevinniewinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10127 times:

There is a direct train operated by Crosscountry between Leeds and Glasgow arriving at lunchtime. Otherwise a 5h30 start enables you to arrive at at around 9h40 in Glasgow. Not ideal but not too bad either!

Back on topic: this is a flight for connecting people correct? So if I live in Leeds or York and don't want to drive to Manchester, my choices are to connect in Heathrow or Amsterdam to go to a far flung destination. Am I correct in saying this?

Vincent


User currently offlinetheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9828 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 6):
The EDI flight competed with the East Coast train service and thus loads on the flights were abysmal - although those flying may have been paying a large premium. GLA does not have the direct train IIRC, so it's more cost effective to fly

As the UK is yet to build a proper highspeed train network the train London to Edinburgh takes over 4 hours so the flights compete with this even adding in getting from London to Heathrow. Although the train often works out cheaper as you don't have to pay tax!

To Leeds from London the train is just over 2 hours so is better than going to Heathrow so I imagine the Leeds flight will help people wanting to connect on to other services.


User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8763 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 10):
Gkirk was talking about Leeds- Scotland traffic not London- Scotland

As for Leeds- Glasgow by train its a picturesque and sedate experience at best via the Settle - Carlisle line
on one of these

Jesus christ that would be hell and hardly sedate! Those Northern Rail 'passenger' (more like freight) trains are dire. Most, if not all of them (and certainly the one in the picture) are rattly, old, crappy 1980s diesel things that make you think "oh f**k" when you see them pull into the platform, at least I did twice the other day going from my local town into Preston. If Trans Pennine Express ran a train service up there, that would be nice

Aside from that, I have flown over the Settle railway line/station and used it as a reference for some solo nav work   And whilst I want to see LBA grow a bit (even if it's not local for me) I think they seriously need to update the entire airport to attract more passengers, it's beyond the low cost feel it's more like stepping back into the 70s at times (and not in a nostalgic good way).

I hope BA make LHR-LBA work though  


User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7668 times:

Quoting theginge (Reply 13):
As the UK is yet to build a proper highspeed train network the train London to Edinburgh takes over 4 hours so the flights compete with this even adding in getting from London to Heathrow. Although the train often works out cheaper as you don't have to pay tax!

I have flown this route two times on BMI, having paid £72 rtn and £80 rtn respectively. A train ticket bought on the day costs £180+ and an advance ticket costs at least £50 for the return. Taking the cost and time of commuting to and from LHR and to and from EDI into account, I'd say the train is more convenient as it goes from Central London to the city centre of Edinburgh.


User currently offlinespud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7624 times:

Quoting planejamie (Reply 14):

LBA has undergone terminal redevelopment so hopefully a much better pax experience:
http://www.leedsbradfordairport.co.u...irport-development-2011/investment
plus they have a lounge now so assume BA will have negotiated access for BA exec club tier status members.

Good to see BA adding domestic connections to LHR from LBA.


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5171 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6689 times:

I presume it will be short lived and will be a slot holder until new long haul aircraft arrive in a few years time.

User currently offlinewoodentom From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6340 times:

Quote:
British Airways welcomes you to Leeds...

And Bradford!! It is Leeds Bradford airport after all  


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2093 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6328 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter):
BA is improving coverage on the domestic front.

The slots came from MAN services, so in terms of capacity on domestic there is nothing. Also, these flights are seen as slot sitters as anstar points out. The betting is around 18 months.

I would also wait until the BMI integration is fully in place, as I would expect the UK domestic flights to LHR/LGW to continue their decline.


User currently offlineviscount630 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6063 times:
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Why is it scarcely mentioned that it's a welcome BACK to LBA?? BKS/Northeast (later absorbed by BA) flew the LHR route for over 20 years, and had even built up a sizeable network based at LBA. In the 70s and 80s, I worked at LHR for both BA-Northeast and BMA, who later took over the route, and we managed very healthy loads with 70+seat Viscount 800s and 810s up to four times a day. How well the route will do now, with domestic business traffic so reduced (as much to do with actual business travel being much less needed in the age of the internet, as economic changes) As just a low yield "feeder" to the LHR network, I'm not sure I can see it thriving for very long if BA decide they need those slots for something else. Hopefully, I'll be proved wrong though  http://www.airliners.net/photo/BKS-A...d=6b0b14111e85c4b55a044af80269bef0

http://www.airliners.net/photo/BKS-A...d=e417080b925f52a54402359409bb2715

http://www.airliners.net/photo/BKS-A...d=aa3bd8c8c54ca75bed66589d475255c9

http://www.airliners.net/photo/North...d=8191e182eb4c92f037eeeb7d42d41728

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Briti...d=6e2862ca558e8fa76ee01b488238c273



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 17):
I presume it will be short lived and will be a slot holder until new long haul aircraft arrive in a few years time.

I think you will find that the amount of slots obtained from the BD sale will require an amount of 'new long-haul aircraft' that BA just hasn't got on its order books. The slots will enable the airline to operate short-haul/domestic 'not' at the sacrifice of long-haul.

If BA were that in need of said aircraft I'm sure they would be 'firing up' the 744's still in the desert.

Add to that your correct assumption of an increase in new long haul routes and where they will be to i.e the East (China etc) domestic links will be both sustainable/profitable and due to the BD slots not I repeat 'not' at the expense of long-haul.

Don't forget the combined synergies of joint ventures and the arrival of the A380 at BA and mixed mode flying, the use of larger aircraft on domestic etc will GREATLY amplify the strength of BA's presence at the worlds premier long-haul airport and thus reduce the pressure even more.

I would expect to see a big reduction in the amout of people currently transitting through continental Europe from the UK to said destinations particularly AMS and CDG which won't help Air France groups current predicament.



For instance KLM Cityhopper flies 4 daily from LBA...will be interesting to see how this news impacts that etc


[Edited 2012-06-30 01:36:26]


[Edited 2012-06-30 01:58:26]


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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

KLM etc has been 'keeping LBA warm' if you like.

It is and will be.....interesting to see the dynamic work in the reverse for a change now that BA has been given the opportunity to re-enter various point in its 'home' market.

[Edited 2012-06-30 02:10:14]


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User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4960 times:

Quoting col (Reply 19):
Also, these flights are seen as slot sitters as anstar points out.

If BA wanted routes to use as slot sitters wouldnt it be less complex to add extra journeys to airports where they have an exisitng facility - CDG, BCN, FCO etc - take your pick- rather than gear up a new operation if they were only planning to operate it for a short period?


User currently offlinegoosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

I flew LHR-LBA-LHR about a month before BMI ceased flying the route. It cost £500 return paid for by BAe luckily. The flight was full both ways yet they said they were not making money!

25 rutankrd : Because bmi probably wasn't. Many/most of those would have been connecting onto *A and indeed BA (They codeshared for while did they not) and others
26 mikey72 : If the Leeds Bradford area are as delighted and confident in their ability to support the route as they say they are in recent press reports about th
27 Post contains images sevenheavy : Aside from the frames that are/were in the process of being scrapped in CWL I think they're pretty much all back in service Absolutely. LBA is always
28 rutankrd : Provision has to be viable and meet customer expectations/needs At the moment i don't think the scheduled does that effectively. BA may yet recover a
29 mikey72 : Well nobody can blame them for that ? On that one the buck stops with government policy on expansion.
30 VV701 : Railway travel is also subsidised by you and me and all other British tax payers by about £5 billion a year or about £80 for every man, woman and c
31 mikey72 : Either way it's good news for BA. W701...you're usually hot on all the figures...what additional aircraft would need to be ordered to convert all the
32 Post contains images steve7e7 : Just booked for me and t'other half to fly up on the inaugural service I was on the last BA Viscount into LBA all those years ago so it makes sense to
33 VV701 : Wow. What a question! But flattery gets you anywhere. So here is my guesstimate and reasoning: BA bought 6 BD LHR daily slot pairs from Lufthansa Gro
34 mikey72 : Wow....you're amazing...LOL. Thanks. Isn't that just 'default moaning' without actually studying what's happening ?
35 Post contains links VV701 : Should we really expect our media to look at facts rather than listen to and repeat rhetoric. The Herald newspaper starts a recent article: "AIR pass
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