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UA Ending IAH-CDG  
User currently offlinejetskipper From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 405 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 21340 times:

Starting October 15th, UA (sCAL) will no longer operate IAH-CDG.

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User currently offlinecat3dual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 21366 times:

Meaning the flight returns to PMUA metal, or the sector is gone entirely?

User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 21358 times:
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WHAT?!! This is a surprise to me, truly. Does anyone know why the flight will end? What will happen to the spare aircraft? Maybe they could operate it with the 787 once it arrives.


avi8
User currently offlineDLD9S From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 21124 times:

Well that is a nice little gift for AF.


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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3633 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 21116 times:

It's because of Love Field! I mean Hobby Airport! Or...

See we told you!  


User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1445 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 21015 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
It's because of Love Field! I mean Hobby Airport! Or...

Didn't you hear? WN is starting HOU-CCS next week so UA has no need for IAH-CDG...  



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User currently offlineSRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20858 times:

Could this be seasonal?

Doesn't Total have its U.S. headquarters in Houston?

Quoting peanuts (Reply 5):
Didn't you hear? WN is starting HOU-CCS next week

You mean HOU-PHX-LAS-MEX-PTY-CCS? But, you get a glass of soda and a snack box on most sectors!


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20842 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 2):
What will happen to the spare aircraft?

I don't know exactly, but EWR-CDG is going from 2x daily 757 to 2x daily 1 764, 1 757.



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20737 times:

I could see this being related to 762 retirement and I could see the 763 sUA going on it. I'd be shocked if they cancelled this route completely. I wouldn't put it past them though.


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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20689 times:

UA's thank you gift for AF dropping EWR-CDG?  

On a more serious note, there probably is more traffic originating in IAH and going beyond CDG than there is originating in CDG and going beyond IAH. There are many connections available through CDG to Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, and India. I would imagine that the AF flight is especially popular with any oil traffic going to North Africa.

The O&D probably goes to both airlines right now, but perhaps AF is favored for better service.



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2731 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20631 times:

Simple, UA is in Star, that's why IAH-FRA was started. CDG was flown when CO was ins SkyTeam. UA can funnel CDG traffic through IAD and EWR. Who knows, maybe it will go seasonal.

User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20534 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 10):
CDG was flown when CO was ins SkyTeam. UA can funnel CDG traffic through IAD and EWR. Who knows, maybe it will go seasonal.

CO flew IAH-CDG yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaars before any of this alliance business started. I know AF goes seasonal in the Jan/Feb timeframe from 6x weekly to daily. AF currently uses a 77W on the route.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20491 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):

I don't know exactly, but EWR-CDG is going from 2x daily 757 to 2x daily 1 764, 1 757.

Another victim of the merger - now that UA/CO has 2.5 European hubs (EWR, IAD, and 0.5 in the form of ORD), the business case for non-star-hub European routes out of IAH without multiple corporate contracts is weakening by the day =(


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20444 times:

Incredible. CDG has been a fixture for years out of IAH, guess this Slimezek run airline is truly seeking to eliminate Houston from their route structure piece by piece. What will leave the schedule next from IAH, NRT, SFO, and EWR?   

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 6):
You mean HOU-PHX-LAS-MEX-PTY-CCS?

You left out MAF and ELP from the HOU-PHX leg!



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20433 times:

Eh, this isn't all that surprising. Wonder if IAH-AMS will be toast next?


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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20415 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 14):
Eh, this isn't all that surprising. Wonder if IAH-AMS will be toast next?

No. UA has corporate contracts on that route and currently operates 764. The rumor has it that this route will be going 787 early on. CDG has been a very weak performer for UA from IAH since they left Skyteam.



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2463 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20386 times:

Smisek's favorite saying is that he has no "sacred cows". If a given route isn't performing well, it goes. Plain and simple.

CDG has more than ample service from EWR/ORD/IAD for a SkyTeam hub. Perhaps we will finally see IAH-MUC or ZRH next summer?


User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20297 times:

Hope that this is being done for rational, not punitive reasons! It is hard for me to believe that their is NO market for IAH-CDG on UA! On the other hand, with the degradation in customer service on the "new" UA, nothing would surprise me. As a longtime CO flyer (1K now) it pains me to see the slide downhill. As consistent as the poor service has been this year, I am starting to believe that this is what management wants.

User currently offlinecat3dual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20199 times:

Quoting cat3dual (Reply 1):

Meaning the flight returns to PMUA metal, or the sector is gone entirely?

Just realized my mistake; misread it as IAD. Hadn't had my coffee yet before I replied.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20170 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 16):
CDG has more than ample service from EWR/ORD/IAD for a SkyTeam hub. Perhaps we will finally see IAH-MUC or ZRH next summer?

Anywhere from IAH to Europe is a very long flight and costly to fly. UA is likely maximizing opportunities via the other hubs in order to not operate such expensive sectors. Remember, CO only had two prime international hubs. Now with United they can split the hub flights to Europe between IAH, IAD, EWR, ORD, SFO, LAX.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 15):

I'd be concerned since AMS is a major sky team hub.



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User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20177 times:

This just chaps my A**. There is no way UA can't make a daily flight to Paris work from Houston. That is like saying you can't get a monkey to eat a banana.

If UA can't make a daily Houston-Paris flight work, they have some serious issues on their hands. If they are doing it in retaliation to WN over at HOU, then I will renounce my flying on them.



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User currently offlineripcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20168 times:

CDG is a weak performer for a lot of people who arnt in the Skyteam alliance.

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20138 times:
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Quoting drerx7 (Reply 15):

  

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 20):

why is that? Its a different ball game than AF. UA is not generating the traffic beyond CDG, it is relying solely on terminating passengers, and those pax may or may not be transiting through ORD/IAD/EWR rather than flying to IAH.



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20113 times:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 20):

This just chaps my A**. There is no way UA can't make a daily flight to Paris work from Houston. That is like saying you can't get a monkey to eat a banana.

It's really not as bad as you would think. Europe's ecnonomy is in the s***er and weak performers get dropped. UA even dropped EWR-CPH and made EWR-FCO, IAD-DME only seasonal -- First time they have ever done this.



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User currently onlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20119 times:
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Quoting DLD9S (Reply 3):
Well that is a nice little gift for AF.

Oh well. I'm a UA 1-K, and even I fly AF IAD-CDG.

I just hope AF fares don't go crazy.


25 steex : I think there's too much oil business on IAH-AMS for it to be in danger.
26 cat3dual : Actually, there is a way: exiting Skyteam, Brent crude hovering around $100 a barrel, and no connecting traffic at the termination point means United
27 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Ooops My bad. I misread the header. That's what I get for being out all night.
28 mogandoCI : In other monkey-banana related news, AA doesn't fly either JFK-AMS or JFK-FRA.
29 tommy767 : Or, use that a/c to expand to a georaphical region that makes more sense from Houston: SOUTH AMERICA!
30 tsnamm : EWR was downgraded to a 757 for the last couple of months, and is supposed to go back to a 764 in Jan...EWR was always a wide body on at least 1 segm
31 2travel2know2 : PAR has been a Continental destination a very long time. Seeing it go completely because UA is sad and upsetting. UA is saying that IAH-CDG can't even
32 CALMSP : well, we spent a number of days with 764 a/c out of service durnig the refurb of the interior. And since the EWR-CDG route is doable on a 757, it was
33 cat3dual : Oil is $100 a barrel. Surely you've been paying attention to that? Houston - Oslo? I mean really?
34 cle757 : CLE-CDG was full and they took that away!.
35 cat3dual : Full of discount fares. Full does not equal profit. Unless you're a state-run airline, which CO nor UA are.
36 tommy767 : Absolutely not. A 757 wouldn't make it -- it can barely do EWR-OSL
37 LAXdude1023 : Well, on one hand I feel somewhat vendicated. I mentioned a few months ago on a seperate thread that IAH-CDG was the one European route out of IAH on
38 jamake1 : I am curious where the op got their source. I have not seen an official announcement posted either internally or externally re: IAH-CDG.
39 LAXdude1023 : The flight is zeroed out in GDS. Its gone.
40 CALMSP : and its actually zeroed out on the 9th
41 IrishAyes : I do remember you saying this and it came to mind when I read this news. Still somewhat of a shock, you'd think that they'd at least reduce it to les
42 blueflyer : I've heard rumors that the aircraft will either be moved to ORD to upgauge ORD-BRU or that UA will open IAH-BRU. I would take both with a grain of sa
43 LAXdude1023 : If this had anything to do with opening a new route out of IAH, they would have done it at the same time to minimize bad press. Its much easier for t
44 phxa340 : UA wouldn't cut a route that makes money just to get back at Houston for allowing WN international routes. They are cutting a non-stop to CDG from IA
45 redzeppelin : What is it about IAH and IAD getting mixed up? A DL phone agent I spoke to a few months ago had the same issue. My flight out of IAH was cancelled, a
46 tommy767 : Definitely doubt IAH-BRU. Too risky when they already fly IAD, EWR, ORD to BRU.
47 mogandoCI : That's why the 787 is perfect for UA. Instead of concentrating on a couple 777s out of the East Coast, they could do 787s from EWR+IAD+ORD+IAH. IAH-C
48 type-rated : That's exactly right. Air France is big with the oil companies (like ExxonMobil, Chevron) to send workers to/from Africa/Russia via CDG. A lot of oil
49 Post contains images point2point : Hey..... Maybe, since there's a spare bird now here, UA can get another $22M in rent breaks, paydowns, debt-forgiveness, whatever, from DEN, and then
50 LAXdude1023 : AA on IAH-CDG? Will never happen. Perhaps the lesson on this is that two flights on IAH-CDG may be too much. A daily 77W from AF will probably cover
51 izbtmnhd : Source?
52 klwright69 : Very true! I worked at Denver Stapleton 20 years ago and remember this flight beginning in the very early 90's. This flight was around long before CO
53 AirGabon : It's a pity UA decides to stop IAH-CDG. For the French passengers, IAH is an excellent gateway to Central and South America. A great and much more con
54 Post contains images laca773 : It has nothing to do with the 762ER retirement. Period. End of story. This has to do with UA not being a part of Sky Team which makes AF a much lower
55 Post contains images point2point : Yes, but with both CDG and ATL probably the biggest of ST hubs, more than likely those French pax are going to be using ATL when going to Central and
56 FlyingSicilian : I am not thrilled with the move, I flew it fairly often but with AF still on the route I am just happy to have a non-stop option between CDG and IAH
57 tommy767 : The 787 is perfect for UA to expand logically from their hubs and filtering the connecting traffic through the hubs to international destinations. Yo
58 LAXdude1023 : IAH-AMS and IAH-CDG are totally different animals. IAH-AMS is one the highest yielding trans-Atlantic city pairs in existence. Its also at well over
59 mogandoCI : Not shocked, just saddened. Sad reality is that IAH is 4th in line as a US-EU connection point in the new UA/CO, so it's bound to be first to cut and
60 AirGabon : I know CO doesn't exist anymore and it's UA now! I was just remembering the past when CO was still flying DC10 to ORY and the excellent reputation CO
61 tommy767 : Not to go too off topic here but wasn't CO severly scrutinized by the French government for their uninentional role in the AF Concorde crash in 2000?
62 chicawgo : Ummm.... why?? What is your reasoning for this??
63 LJ : According to some reports they UA has the Shell contract, which is why KL axed the all business class flight (which was reportedly used heavily by Sh
64 STT757 : Air France has been flying to EWR from Paris longer than CO/UA had been flying IAH-Paris, part of the reasons that both routes are being cut (EWR-CDG
65 klwright69 : STT757, I think you are right on the timeline. IAH-CDG must be doing stinking bad for its cancellation. I doubt AMS-IAH performs this poorly, we don't
66 N766UA : The only thing Smisek holds sacred is his personal bank account.
67 Post contains images ASA : Don't we all? I think this debate can be put to rest by a simple statistic: how much of IAH-CDG was O&D? If majority was connecting, then it cert
68 AADC10 : CDG is owned by SkyTeam and UA has better connection opportunities to CDG through ORD, EWR and IAD. UA dropped LAX and SFO to CDG in the past. Not eno
69 mogandoCI : He's not the greatest or most lovable CEO, but I'd hate it if a CEO drives the company into bankruptcy again for the sake of "sacred cows" and "flags
70 AAIL86 : True - some top execs fly private. But the IAH market is loaded with high yielding oil traffic on city pairs like IAH-ABZ/SVG/DME/LIN etc - plenty of
71 hiflyer : It iis all about yield...IAHCDG did not have it as several posters have put up. I expected more as the merger aged and routes are more closely examine
72 drerx7 : Of course as is said...UA has several oil contracts and is one of the highest yielding routes ex-IAH. I agree. IAH-CDG was floundering, hell, even LA
73 klwright69 : Well said... Many unexpected changes. No more CPH, ACC; and EWR-FCO, IAD-DME are seasonal. Probably more to come. Airlines are no longer keeping rout
74 LAXdude1023 : Thats a bit extreme. More likely, the IAH-CDG market cant support two carriers. AF just happend to win that battle.
75 TWA772LR : Is this just Jeff blowin smoke? Or a computer glitch? Or anything else? I want to se a link. UA isn't part of Oneworld, but IAH still manages to have
76 IrishAyes : Yeah, I somehow doubt that. UA hasn't been too big on sending PMCO birds It's no longer in the GDS. There will likely be an official PR tomorrow in th
77 Post contains links LAXdude1023 : Here is your link: http://airlineroute.net/2012/06/29/ua-iahcdg-oct12cxld/
78 usdcaguy : One of the reasons this cancellation surprises me is that Paris has traditionally been a prime destination for many upper middle class tourists, many
79 jfk777 : Continenal should be able to support Houston to CDG with almost daily flights, this the type of route a 767-300ER cries for. The reason its getting ki
80 Post contains images Bralo20 : On luchtzak.be, a Belgian aviation site someone announced that EWR-BRU would be downgraded from UA772 metal to CO764 metal again (like it was in the
81 TWA772LR : FWIW, I just checked the UA employee res, and its still bookable... at least to February (as far as I felt like looking). But for some reason, skips c
82 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : Its gone from united.com. The route is gone. Time to get over it.
83 Post contains images fxramper : My brother got screwed on CDG-IAH on his honeymoon. CO gave him like 75,000 miles for making his new wife spend the night at IAH without a hotel after
84 laca773 : Thanks for the information, LAXDude1023. I appreciate it. Is this because of oil? I have a lot of respect for what you say and share. I know this, ST
85 Post contains images usdcaguy : 'Atta boy. I've heard joining the mile high club on your honeymoon brings good luck...
86 iahworldflyer : I too am sorry to see this route go. I remember when Terminal D was new going in planespotting and seeing them boarding a CO DC10 to ORY and thinking
87 strfyr51 : Man!! there's a lot of undies in a bunch for the IAH-CDG route that's already flown out of bothe IAD and EWR. IAH can connect their feed to EWR as ORD
88 FlyingSicilian : I don't read into a lot of people saying that I just hear people, myself included, lamenting its loss in a general sense. However, as LAXdude pointed
89 shanderawx : There are over 80 French companies in Houston, French is heard in public often here, the city has an active Alliance Francaise with a converted home i
90 LONGisland89 : Off topic, but I think if this was AA ending DFW-CDG, we'd be hearing diatribe about their management...not just a simple "___ isn't part of Skyteam,
91 STT757 : They cite 1997 when IAH-CDG launched, is that the year they switched from ORY to CDG? As I posted earlier CO launched IAH-Paris in 1992, to Orly airp
92 2travel2know2 : If UA was going to give-in to the IAH now Mileage-Plus elites and fly IAH-CDG, even if seasonal, What kind of connections could UA offer an IAH flight
93 aznmadsci : Since all of Star is at T1, CO/UA has promoted codeshare flights onto other Star carriers via CDG. I've noticed a couple of codeshares operated by SK
94 Post contains images point2point : Looking at the *A route map, I would think that there could be some connects at CDG, but it doesn't offer a whole lot of routes. With that said, I do
95 2travel2know2 : Thinking out of the box, If UA could get 5th liberty between CDG and GYD (Baku Azerbaijan), then GYD traffic might cover the CDG stop . GYD flight cou
96 Post contains images United787 : A lot of interesting changes in the past year between North America and CDG, in no particular order...corrections please. AF ends ORD DL starts ORD (s
97 timberwolf24 : AF did not end service to ORD, last winter and this winter ORD-CDG is operated on DL metal. This summer UA upgraded ORD-CDG from a 763 to a 772.
98 BoeingGuy : Yeah, just where I'd want to bring "good luck" on my honeymoon, in a stinky tiny airplane lavatory. AF didn't end CDG-SEA. They and their joint-ventu
99 Post contains images Schweigend : Well, I was very surprised to find, when I just searched for IAD-CDG flights at united.com, that one of the two daily 757s has become a three-class 7
100 Max Q : Another misguided decision by the worst CEO since Frank Lorenzo.
101 drerx7 : Will I think Smisek is dragging the airline down and he sucks supremely...I actually am not all that disappointed with this move. As others have said
102 BoeingGuy : I don't know much about him but it did seem like CO went downhill the last several years. His comment about UA not picking the ugly bride (or somethi
103 drerx7 : Yea, CO was on the downward slope. The issue I have with him is that he has taken the human element out of the business. Eliminating the free meals a
104 TWA772LR : When you are on the top for several years in a row, the only way to go is down... it is only natural. I don't like Smisek as much as the next guy but
105 usdcaguy : Just one quick note...DL has picked up SEA-CDG as an "equipment change", not a route cancellation.
106 tommy767 : IMHO I think the meals were the least of the pre-merger integration worries. CO meals in Y have always been slightly better than dog food on many rou
107 drerx7 : Well...that's debateable. CO's offering was free, UA's choice menu was/is measly and expensive. The demise in customer service started slightly with
108 tommy767 : Yeah the bad IRROPS was more of an EWR issue. I recall a few times back when I was young in the mid/late 1990s where if the plane never took off, you
109 mbm3 : CLE-CDG was exceeding expectations from what I understand, but with the move to *A it didn't make sense to continue the route.
110 jmw99ttu : As a frequent business traveler, I wouldn't choose to make connections in ATL on my way to GSO, or anywhere else for that matter, week after week so
111 FlyingSicilian : True but as a frequent biz traveller myself I always want, and nearly always choose the non-stop biz flight and pay a premium for it sometimes. And w
112 FlyASAGuy2005 : Right, but what he's saying is that folks aren't going to switch airlines just because a non-stop route to a destination that some consider "exotic"
113 Post contains links toxtethogrady : This is going to be a mistake for UA... http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2012/07...gy-companies-houston-gets-hot.html
114 AVENSAB727 : UA can always move back to Houston.
115 STT757 : I guess your too young to remember DL's Sky Deli carts, ugh!..
116 2travel2know2 : Didn't UA in the early 90's used to operate tag-on flights and feeder flights in CDG? If one of EWR, IAD, and ORD flights plus the IAH flight were to
117 klwright69 : I think a number of years ago UA had a tag to ATH.
118 drerx7 : Not gonna happen. The ROI wouldn't cover the cost to have a subfleet like that.
119 airzim : Not likely. Paris by itself is a pretty lousy business market. There's just not that much high yield demand. Houston might be booming, but that doesn
120 STT757 : Not really, while they did drop CDG from IAH they also have launched Lagos. It's obvious they know where their corporate clients want to fly. Losing
121 toxtethogrady : My impression is that Smisek at UA and prior to that Continental has done a really lousy job of marketing the Houston hub. Evidence of that is that it
122 LAXdude1023 : There was no need to market that one route over any other. Routes that are profitable and great preformers dont need much marketing. They sell themse
123 toxtethogrady : I was thinking the marketing of the hub in general left plenty to be desired. As American was heading into bankruptcy, it adopted the "cornerpoints st
124 hohd : If City of Houston had not given permission for the building permit to Southwest, this would not have happened. Period. May be IAH-CDG is a marginal m
125 FlyingSicilian : AF had two dailies at one point also. CO going to Star from SkyTeam is what happened, thus FRA getting a second daily and CDG getting cut. AMS freqs
126 FlyPNS1 : You can't possibly know this for a fact. It's quite possible the route was a loser all along and UA has finally decided to throw in the towel.
127 aznmadsci : Which includes the LH flight getting upgauged to an A380.
128 Post contains links AVENSAB727 : http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...llout-from-battle-over-hobby-77494 no big deal, looks like the IAH-CDG and the other routes that UA is cutting
129 superjeff : What nobody has said is that AF now has 3-4-3 seating in their 77W economy, and 2-3-2 in Business, so UA's configuration (in economy and business cla
130 drerx7 : C'mon man...not this again. Let's just agree to disagree on this, if you believe that nonsense than fine - knock yourself out.
131 thomasphoto60 : Ditto. Frankly this thread is getting very monotonous, same comments, views being re-hashed. It's over guys, UA cut a loss making route, big whoop, g
132 FlyASAGuy2005 : I do. It was horrible!! The best part was the breakfast on the morning flights departing before 10. You would get a banana and some other goodies tha
133 FSDan : There's no way that's true... Paris is one of the largest European business markets and is a major European financial center, along with London and F
134 Post contains images RAGAZZO777 : Clearly you've never been to La Défense or to Neuilly-sur-Seine. . Not to mention that AF offers First Class on that route.
135 drerx7 : True - but the bottomless pit of low yield tourist that drag the yields down is greater. Yep, we'll see if AF brings the second flight back with the
136 hohd : The flight may be a money loser, but, Mary Clark, UA spokesperson, specifically quoted the Hobby expansion as a reason for cutting this flight.
137 drerx7 : That's stupid as hell. Nor does it make any logical sense - and to try and force feed this bull$ down the public's throat - which no one is buying, i
138 Post contains links FlyASAGuy2005 : Hence my comment Because of this http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...llout-from-battle-over-hobby-77494 The route map graph is beyond laughable. T
139 eagle125 : UA management is beating this dead horse to a pulp... Absolutely. Hobby expansion or not, this flight would have been gone regardless along with most
140 Post contains images point2point : Seriously, the last thing that I want to do here is be in any way inappropriate, but this thing as it continues is just starting to become seriously
141 CODC10 : It's political. UA is trying to get Houston voters to associate the sitting Council and Mayor Parker with the pulldown of the IAH hub. You can argue t
142 Post contains images drerx7 : Yep, as evidenced by chron.com and facebook comments...UA reputation is nosediving here. @point2point IAH is still more profitable and larger than th
143 CODC10 : Public opinion ebbs and flows... it will improve. I doubt many in Houston really want to give all their business to that other AAirline and have to c
144 drerx7 : No, but they'll give it to Southwest though... I agree though, public opinion will improve - as soon as UA stops digging a hole for themselves with t
145 CODC10 : Good luck selling that to the corporate and international customers in Houston.
146 Post contains images point2point : Yes yes yes my friend. But I'm sort of thinking here, and please feel to correct me, but didn't UA (previously CO) put in a lot $$$$$ into IAH (like
147 AVENSAB727 : UA made a positive first step by putting the 787 maintenance base at IAH and basing its pilots there too. And IAH-LOS will be the most likely first 78
148 IrishAyes : The real answer to that question is No. But what you just posted is exactly what the UA management wants the public to think. Hence, the political po
149 drerx7 : Touche. In that regard it'll be same situation that has happened at IAH in the past 20 years of international stagnancy when CO expanded in favor of
150 AVENSAB727 : DEN-NRT was the first route announced, there are other routes that have not yet been announced.
151 drerx7 : It was the first international route announced...don't believe it will be first.
152 IrishAyes : Well, my point was that the 787 has already started flying to the US, and there are a few additional ones that will be rolled out soon (SJC/SEA/SAN-N
153 Post contains images point2point : For $22M, I would think that it would (and should) remain the first. I think that I understand with your explanation, and then reading a couple of ot
154 fxramper : I think UA is just punishing the city of Houston for it's willingness to allow WN the right to operate internationals from HOU. I read that UA is brin
155 Post contains links drerx7 : Well, construction is moving along at a rapid pace actually. I'll be flying out on UA next week so I'll snap some pics. Here is a video of the curren
156 AVENSAB727 : UA is not punishing IAH or Houston, they based the 787 maintenance facility and training facilities here, so that shows the UA will continue to grow o
157 drerx7 : Yes, while they are right sizing - they are using the WN situation as a cover for that. The 787 base and the affiliated infrastructure - training and
158 AVENSAB727 : But I believe that UA and Houston will fix the mess.
159 drerx7 : LMAO...they don't have a choice but too! As point2point has pointed out...IAH and UA are in bed with each other until 2027...
160 AVENSAB727 : By 2027 both UA and Houston will look back at this and laugh.
161 AVENSAB727 : I wonder if UA will launch routes out of IAH with the 787, other than IAH-LOS, IAH-AMS, I think they will add a route to IAH-BRU with the 787 hopefull
162 CODC10 : All these are well within the realm of possibility. UA has 50 on order, they have to fly them somewhere!
163 Post contains images point2point : Thanks for the update and video. And I do look forward to the pix. So I see that good thing at least the structure is steel/iron. I shudder to think
164 drerx7 : Giant toothpicks.
165 AVENSAB727 : I think the full terminal B project will be built.
166 drerx7 : I don't...at least not anytime soon. UA will need to get a full look at the financials and impact of WN's operation before comitting itself to that t
167 hohd : If CO was still here or if the HQ of the merged UA was in Houston, there would have been no Hobby expansion. The city council bent over backwards for
168 IrishAyes : I don't think that is necessarily true. I may be in the minority here on that one, but I don't think that CO merging with UA and the combined carrier
169 drerx7 : I agree. At least it would not have been overwheelmingly passed in the city council vote. CO was a very good Houston tennant - and the City of Housto
170 AVENSAB727 : Agree, UA will be committed to IAH, despite the WN expansion in 2015, IAH is still UA's largest hub and I believe that UA will compete with WN in 2015
171 Post contains images drerx7 : I don't know about the largest hub moniker though...I think that will vasilate between IAH and ORD...with the "right sizing" I have a hard time seein
172 AVENSAB727 : UA will grow out of IAH, many customers here in Houston know this "Punishing Houston" is a United PR flop. They dont believe United on that, they thin
173 Post contains images point2point : You better double check on your flight there. Next thing you know, UA will be punishing IAH again and there won't be any more nonstops to EWR.
174 AVENSAB727 : Wont happen.
175 Post contains links and images point2point : Hmmmmm, you think my friend? And now, although nothing new that we mostly already don't know about here, the media seems to be loving the fact that U
176 Post contains images AVENSAB727 : The media is buying the smoke and mirrors United is throwing to cover up the right sizing of IAH, the cuts would have happened either way, well, UA a
177 drerx7 : Not really. We know the rumored IAH 787 routes are LOS and AMS...with those two routes and more than likely an IAH-DEN turn to feed DEN-NRT there wil
178 AVENSAB727 : UA will expand out of IAH with different aircraft too.
179 drerx7 : Man...I wouldn't expect a whole lot in a short period of time. They have SFO/LAX/CLE/EWR/DEN/IAD aaaaaaaaand ORD to tend to as well.
180 AVENSAB727 : United has to be equal to all of its hubs.
181 Post contains images drerx7 : BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAA- the hell it does. Ask CLE...
182 Post contains images point2point : LOLOLOLOL..... .ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...... oh my........ So you think that I think that that's funny my friend?
183 FlyingSicilian : true, and per the chron article online today the Houston - Paris route has not been profitable for two years. Why would riiiiighttttt UA has to tend t
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