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Hijack Attempt Stopped By Pax On Chinese Plane  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1994 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9773 times:

Cabin crew, air marshals and passengers subdued the attackers who attempted to intrude the cockpit in order to hijack the aircraft.
The airline reported 92 passengers and 9 crew were on board when 6 criminals attempted to violently intrude the cockpit. The attackers were subdued in combined efforts of cabin crew and passengers, crew and passengers received minor injuries in the fight. An investigation is under way.

Source :

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=451e452c&opt=0

Rgds.

G.


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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9746 times:

Beautiful. Kudos to the PAX & Crew who had the courage of resisting.

Now let's see who these hijackers were and what were their motives.



Cheers
User currently offlinecat3dual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9682 times:

Congrats to the passengers and crew of GS 7554!

Let's roll!


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9633 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 1):

Now let's see who these hijackers were and what were their motives.

The flight's origin and destination lend themselves to speculation....



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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1799 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9588 times:

Quoting ,reply=0]Local Authorities reported the six hijackers, who were wearing airline staff uniforms, were identified to be Uighur men, their motives are under investigation.
[/quote]

Hm, airline staff uniforms. Interesting.

[quote=Rara
(Reply 3):
The flight's origin and destination lend themselves to speculation....

Care to elaborate for those of us who have no idea what you're referring too?


User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6365 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9546 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 3):

The flight's origin and destination lend themselves to speculation....

Yeah, I agree, this is always a very volatile area of China. Xinjiang often goes unnoticed by the people who focus on Tibet.

The scariest part is that they were apparently wearing staff uniforms!

[Edited 2012-06-29 07:21:41]

User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9475 times:

Kudos to the crew and passengers involved in this incident, but may I ask why there were 9 crew on a E190? Is it just me or is that massive overkill? Presumably there were 2 flight deck crew (maybe even three let's say) - that still leaves 6-7 cabin crew on a regional aircraft...

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 4):
Care to elaborate for those of us who have no idea what you're referring too?

Not sure about Hotan, but Urumqi is in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of China in the far northwest of the country. There has been an independence struggle there for many years, and has been much more tumultuous than the struggle Tibet has been fighting as well. Like Tibet, the ethnic Uyghur population of Xinjiang differ quite a bit from the majority Han population. Tensions between Urumqi and Beijing have been rising over the past several years. Lot more to both sides of the story regarding this fight, but that's for the Non-Av forums I suppose.



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User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9285 times:

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 6):
may I ask why there were 9 crew on a E190? Is it just me or is that massive overkill? Presumably there were 2 flight deck crew (maybe even three let's say) - that still leaves 6-7 cabin crew on a regional aircraft...

I'm only guessing here, but maybe they are counting the air marshals as "crew". It is clear that there were air marshal(s) on board and they did their job.

Rgds.

G.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9275 times:

Hotan is very near the China-India-Pakistan contested border.

The flight would be a distance of about 539 nm

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?DU=nm&MS=wls&P=ZWTN-ZWWW&SG=454&SU=kts

Hotan has also been the scene of some violence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hotan_attack

[Edited 2012-06-29 08:12:45]

User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9000 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 5):

Yeah, I agree, this is always a very volatile area of China. Xinjiang often goes unnoticed by the people who focus on Tibet.

Correct, and also below the radar was the Uighur suicide attempt on China Southern 6901 back in 2008.

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpapers27%5Cpaper2654.html

Liquids were allowed on Chinese domestics flights before, and haven't been since.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8912 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 3):
The flight's origin and destination lend themselves to speculation....

Indeed.

Without any other information, it would seem that like another East Turkestani separatist movement ploy (CZ 6901 being the last aviation related incident). Perhaps relating to the recent developments re: Kadeer Trade Center and the Akida Trade Center? (completely speculation)

[Edited 2012-06-29 09:30:46]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8468 times:

Looks like pax have had it with getting hijacked recently. good for all of them!


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User currently offlineCerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8070 times:

Some more details from Chinese media (sorry no English links)

1. The weapons used by the attempted hijackers were sharpened wooden bars, which were assembled into walking sticks, allowing them to evade airport security.

2. There happened to be some 20 policemen among the passengers. They were attending a training session. They assisted the two air marshals on board.


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7813 times:

This goes to show that society, from sea to sea, will not allow terrorists to intimidate and strike against us with impunity.

The following posts on av-herald sum up the fate of the 6 scumbags:

"They'll be organ donors before long."
"Those guys have got no chance. dead men walking"



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User currently offlineTbone354 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7070 times:
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The days of kooks hijacking planes just to go someplace are OVER. It is now a matter of life or death with these lunatics anymore. Good for the pax and crew.

User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2697 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

This should send a message to would-be hijackers that the innocent people of this world will no longer tolerate their actions. We will die fighting rather that die cowering in our seats. Well done pax and crew!


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User currently offlinegoosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6755 times:

Passengers all know that if hijacked we could be smashed into buildings and killed anyway. So taking action and defeating hijackers is the only course of action these days. Makes being a hijacker totally pointless because you will lose.

User currently offlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1090 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5722 times:

That's the way to deal with it. Kudos!!!
Fight it for yourself, cause no one is going to fight it for you!!!



Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

Sidenote: The Chinese government will be quite happy with this event. Ever since September 11th, they have tried to frame the Uyghur-Han conflict as part of the international war against Muslim terrorism, rather than an occupied people's struggle for freedom, as which it could also be seen. Events like this hijacking attempt are tremendously helpful in this reframing process, as evidenced by comments in this thread as well:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 13):

This goes to show that society, from sea to sea, will not allow terrorists to intimidate and strike against us with impunity.

And of course, the other side will integrate the event into a wider conspiracy theory:

Quote:
The exiled World Uyghur Congress (WUC) disputed the government version of events, claiming that a fight over seating broke out onboard the aircraft between a group of Uighurs and Han Chinese, who vastly outnumbered them.

“The Uighurs of Hotan believe that this story about taking hostages is a lie,” Dilxat Raxit, a spokesman for the organisation told AFP.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...c14e434fd73d92a227b0d3eaba8bf6.691

For an outsider, there's no way of knowing what really happened - but anyway it's more important who's got the better story to tell.  



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User currently offlineCerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 18):
Ever since September 11th, they have tried to frame the Uyghur-Han conflict as part of the international war against Muslim terrorism, rather than an occupied people's struggle for freedom, as which it could also be seen.

I disagree with two aspects of this statement. Firstly, even to this date, the Chinese government is reluctant to acknowledge Uighur-Han conflict, trying not to offend the native Uighur population while placating the Han in Xinjiang, who are somewhat angry over the many concessions the Uighurs receive as a result of being a "minority ethinic group" and the violence inflicted upon them (Han). You certainly do not see the government crying out loud to CNN/BBC etc about Muslim violence unless the conflict was fairly major. Adding to that, there is another ethnic group in China, the Hui people, who also practise Islam. They generally get on well with the Han, and the government is at pains to avoid linking muslims with terrorism, preferring to single out the separatist East Turkestan movement as the perpetrators.
The second point I disagree with is "the occupied people's struggle". The world is littered with ethnic groups who were indigenous to the land that now forms part of countries inhabited by other ethnic groups. Xinjiang has been under Chinese central government rule for some 200 years. If, god forbid, American Indians or Australian Aboriginal people start to hijack commercial airliners with the aim of either flying them into buildings or blowing them up mid-air, or indiscriminately stab, cut or behead people of other ethnicity in public places, I would like see how many would regard this as occupied people's struggle.

Quoting Rara (Reply 18):
For an outsider, there's no way of knowing what really happened - but anyway it's more important who's got the better story to tell.

If you believe that a government would deliberately "frame" an altercation over seating arrangement into an attempted hijacking, in a leadership transition year which usually means "stability" trumps many other considerations, then I have a nice beach house in Hotan to sell you.

[Edited 2012-06-30 07:38:51]

User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

Quoting nethkt (Reply 17):
That's the way to deal with it. Kudos!!!
Fight it for yourself, cause no one is going to fight it for you!!!

Sad reality, but we learned the hard way with the events of 9/11, there is no way that the authorities on the ground can deal with people who is already determined to die "for the cause", the Flight 93 is the best example and the hard proof of how real this is and how the people should act, fight for your life !!


Rgds.
G.



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User currently offlinespinner145 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2008, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4356 times:

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 19):
If you believe that a government would deliberately "frame" an altercation over seating arrangement into an attempted hijacking, in a leadership transition year which usually means "stability" trumps many other considerations, then I have a nice beach house in Hotan to sell you.

If you believe that the CCP-controlled media wouldn't lie when it suits their purposes, then I have some Chinese-made baby formula to sell you. And it definitely suits their purposes to make 'splittist' Uighurs look like terrorists. Every time there is a clash of any sort between Uighurs and the police or ethnic Hans, it is labeled as a terrorist attack in Chinese media.

It also seems fishy that there just happened to be 20 policemen and two air marshals, plus 9 crew, on an E190. If that's true, these were the dumbest hijackers ever. Not that hijackers in any case are particularly smart, but they must have been exceptionally stupid to not put their attack off until they boarded a flight that didn't look like a military parade.

I'm not saying it wasn't a hijacking attempt (and to be sure I'm glad that if it was, it wasn't a successful), but I don't trust China's state-controlled media enough to feel confident that we're hearing the truth.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 19):
If you believe that a government would deliberately "frame" an altercation
Quoting spinner145 (Reply 21):
If you believe that the CCP-controlled media wouldn't lie

While respecting both of your rights to opposing views - I think you, and all of us, can agree that we will never hear a completely unbiased, factually accurate description of what occurred.

It was reported as an attempted hijacking.

Personally, I don' think any post 9/11 passenger activism would come into play for any flight in that part of the world.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

And it is a discussion for the Non-Aviation forum - please.


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 22):
And it is a discussion for the Non-Aviation forum - please.

Indeed, so I hope I can get away with just two last remarks...

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 19):
The second point I disagree with is "the occupied people's struggle".

Note that I didn't take that position. I said that it could be framed as such, and that a major strategy of the Chinese government to "win" the conflict is by reframing it as simple terrorism. Comparison with the Tibet conflict really shows the power of reframing. Objectively the cases are very similar - in both cases we have a ethnic minority, a history of occupation and a strong religious component. Yet the Tibetan cause enjoys huge sympathies in the West and is commonly seen as the just struggle of an occupied ethnicity for freedom.

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 19):
If you believe that a government would deliberately "frame" an altercation over seating arrangement into an attempted hijacking

My belief is not so relevant. For the record, I do believe that there actually was a hijacking attempt. But I wouldn't bet my life on it.

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 19):
the government is at pains to avoid linking muslims with terrorism, preferring to single out the separatist East Turkestan movement as the perpetrators.

Duly noted. Quite correct.



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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7266 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4173 times:

This is an aviation issue so should stay here.

I can't believe any anyone would take sides with the cause of a bunch of hijackers.

The statement by the association that it was an argument over seats is the funniest thing ever. Hainan air offer allocated seating, and to think this would still be simmering after take off on a not 100% full flight is Beyond the realm of stupid

Quoting spinner145 (Reply 21):

I was on a flight from Madrid to Stansted where the person on the opposite aisle to me started beating the crap out of his wife.

What he didn't know was that there were 25 police officers onboard who were at a conference in Madrid for three days.

Chinese police officers are not the macho weight lifting types, so probably don't fit your military vision of six pack fantastic marines.

[Edited 2012-06-30 17:19:05]


The world is really getting smaller these days
25 Post contains links Cerecl : There are two factors that led to the upgrade in Chinese airport security. One was 9/11 and the other was the repeated hijacking attempts in Xinjiang.
26 B2443 : It is really sad people in the "free" world do not want to believe they are lied to and they are brainwashed, especially when it comes to "foreign" a
27 Post contains links geekydude : The latest is that 2 hijackers have died at the hospital due to injuries . There is no official detail on how they died, but rumor they might have suc
28 Post contains links bestwestern : http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2012-07/02/content_15541024.htm A lot more detail on the hijacking...
29 Post contains images Gonzalo : Latest News related with this ( really amazing news IMHO ) : Hainan Airlines, local authorities and the Government of China are rewarding the passenge
30 zkojq : That is just crazy. Have they learned nothing from American Airline's debacle with AAirpass?
31 Fly2yyz : Oh but this is China, I'm sure that there will be tonnes of restrictions... if this reward is actually real that is.
32 F9animal : Way to go! The days of a successful hijacking are long gone. Everyone gets involved in stopping it, and it has so far proven effective. I would rather
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