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UA IAH Pull Down Begins In Earnest  
User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1465 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19521 times:

Well we've all heard about the cancellation of IAH-AKL, now we see the cancellation of IAH-CDG. I've been searching around and it seems they're also getting rid of IAH-ACT, IAH-AVL and IAH-GSO beginning at the end of summer. Any guesses on more cuts?

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User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19379 times:

Waco, Ashville, & Greensboro cuts from IAH mean that UA is pulling back from IAH in earnest???

Maybe it's better to serve CDG from EWR and Dulles. As for Waco, Ashville, and Greensboro it may be more economic to serve them from elsewhere though Waco is unlikely in that regard or not at all.

When they cut 50 or 100 flights a day from IAH that will be in "earnest."


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19349 times:

BPT is also gone...........although that, along with VCT & ACT were due to the props being removed and the RJ's to expensive to operate in these small cities.


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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1465 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19239 times:

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 1):
When they cut 50 or 100 flights a day from IAH that will be in "earnest."

I'm not sure why you think they need to cut 1/6 of their schedule for that to be an earnest pull down. They announced 10% reduction, and this starts getting it there. Between the routes I mentioned that is 7 daily departures, across 5 destinations that will no longer (or never started) be served.

BPT was/is also 3x daily, so if you include that it's 10 daily flights to 6 destinations that have been eliminated.


User currently offlinejohnyv From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19138 times:

How does Merida, Yucatan do for them? Will they keep them? 1 flight a day but about the only one (and definitely the only one on a US carrier) to the USA!

User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1420 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19117 times:

I don't believe it's a pulldown. Just merger related efficiencies.
It only makes sense. No panic please.
CLE would be a different story though. In due time.

Also: DL is not as crazy as many would make you believe on a.net. DL has cut many routes. For a reason. In order for UA to stay competitive and stay sharp, they have to do the same.
Gone are the days of having planes fly everywhere with lower yields/LF's.

[Edited 2012-06-29 07:46:33]


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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1065 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19031 times:

Gott im Himmel, really?! Earnest!?

I will gladly concede that not everything about the new UA is perfect. Even also that Smisek has screwed up. A lot.

But to suggest that a few minor cities that are losing service because 9L is being shutdown, that's absolutely insane. Oh, and CDG. Because That's UA's best placed hub for transatlantic service.  


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18952 times:

When IAH is no longer UA's largest hub then it's time to start talking about draw downs, but, correct me if I'm wrong, even with these latest cuts IAH will still be UA's largest hub. As folks have already mentioned there's more to the carrier now then EWR and IAH, there are some places where IAH will grow ( 767s on IAH-LIM) and some places where they will right size.


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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3715 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18869 times:
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Quoting RDH3E (Reply 3):
They announced 10% reduction

The announcement was (political) theater related to international expansion at HOU. CO always cut capacity by around 10% between summer and fall. The only difference this time is that they have announced it, as opposed to just doing it quietly in years past.

CDG is probably saturated from the US, it has reportedly low yields for everyone but DL.

I'd wait for further evidence before pronouncing the death of IAH.

Besides, drawing down IAH too much would be stupid. It would leave UA as the only major carrier without a hub that is immune to winter schedule-wreaking havoc-creating weather.



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User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3512 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18864 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Thread starter):
IAH-AVL and IAH-GSO

Like I always say, as routes to Ashevile and Greensboro go, so goes the rest of the hub ...

  



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2092 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18865 times:

Look, the changes that will take place at IAH are nothing earth-shattering. Airlines need to evolve in midst of difficult circumstances. Given oil prices, the economic situation in Europe, etc. etc, United simply is re-defining the role that IAH is playing in their network. As a mid-continent hub located relatively "South," IAH is well suited for East-West traffic flows across the U.S. and is, and will always be, UA's primary gateway between the Americas. It is NOT designed to be the European TATL gateway, nor the TPAC gateway.

Routes like CDG are tourist-driven and low-yielding. AKL made sense for PMCO when times were very, very different. The merger synergies completely altered the business case for IAHAKL and UA was clearly looking for an excuse to pull the plug on that one, and so they found it.

Much like DFW, IAH will retain a few token routes that can support traffic to places like NRT, LHR, and AMS as well as a few key Star Alliance hubs, but beyond that UA isn't going to transform it into an all-out mega intercontinental gateway. In a few months this will all be old news.



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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1465 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18830 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 8):
I'd wait for further evidence before pronouncing the death of IAH.
Quoting planespotting (Reply 9):
Like I always say, as routes to Ashevile and Greensboro go, so goes the rest of the hub ...

No one is pronouncing the death of IAH. I'm simply stating a fact, that they've now announced about a 2% reduction in daily departures (not sure about ASMs) and that it plays along with the announced 10% reduction. I'm not speculating on the reasons for the reduction, just stating a fact.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18712 times:

I bet the IAH-CDG suffered with the start of IAH-LOS. It sucks for people who want to travel between CDG and IAH on UA, but everyone else has plenty of other choices for connections. AKL never made any sense under the new UA, anyway.

User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18628 times:

False. There is no pull down for IAH -- you PMCO people are imagining and smoking too much of the "wacky tabacci"


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User currently offlinewilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18515 times:

Where have you seen Waco is loosing service? Its not on any of the local news sites.

User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1465 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18491 times:

Quoting william (Reply 14):
Where have you seen Waco is loosing service? Its not on any of the local news sites.

Search United.com for Sept 5th onward. No more UA service.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6581 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18310 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 10):
Routes like CDG are tourist-driven and low-yielding.

IAH-CDG is not necessarily tourist-driven, with Total's global headquarters near Paris and U.S. headquarters in Houston. Then again, AF probably has this contract.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2092 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18285 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 16):
IAH-CDG is not necessarily tourist-driven, with Total's global headquarters near Paris and U.S. headquarters in Houston. Then again, AF probably has this contract.

It is definitely more tourism-driven when compared to other European cities (LHR, FRA, BRU, AMS etc) served from the US. It's why noticeably capacity to CDG becomes much more constrained during the winter seasons.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6581 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17924 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 17):
It is definitely more tourism-driven when compared to other European cities (LHR, FRA, BRU, AMS etc) served from the US.

CDG may be more tourism-driven in the aggregate, but IAH-CDG has a heavy business component; that's why AF sends an aircraft with an F cabin to IAH, even though IAH is a Star hub. ORD only sees a business cabin from AF.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5892 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17930 times:

Quoting johnyv (Reply 4):
How does Merida, Yucatan do for them? Will they keep them? 1 flight a day but about the only one (and definitely the only one on a US carrier) to the USA!

IAH-MID has been around for at least 15 years....at one point in the early years it was IAH-MID-BZE (with traffic rights), so if they haven't pulled out by now, i would think it is profitable.

DL tried MID ( I think AA did too) and failed.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6844 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17760 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Thread starter):
I've been searching around and it seems they're also getting rid of IAH-ACT, IAH-AVL and IAH-GSO beginning at the end of summer. Any guesses on more cuts?

DL has dropped ATL-MSL. I wonder if they are closing their ATL hub?????? :p

IAH-GSO is a seasonal route in terms of traffic. That means nothing. ACT and AVL are very small markets. They were questionable to begin with. I also think AKL-IAH was always stupid. There was no local market at all. If they dropped IAH-LOS I'd be more surprised with the oil business on that flight.

IAH-CDG is kind of surprising. I guess I'd say it is similar to why they didn't fly DEN-NRT until DEN gave them a massive pile of gold. There were better gateways in between.

I think that the overall plan of punishing IAH is childish and the routes being slashed have nothing to do with Mexico where WN will fly in many years when it is all finished. I think most of this stuff they are cutting was going to be cut anyway, but I do think that they are being more aggressive about not letting things that aren't going well play out because of their crazy anger.

By comparison, perhaps the City of Houston should have introduced a curfew at IAH after they moved the HQ to Chicago. That would be about the same level of childishness.


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17732 times:

Wow, that Southwest international service sometime in the future from Hobby is already taking a toll on UA.  


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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17562 times:

Most of the IAH cuts have been in terms of freq. cuts look at the OAG postings. Many a city is losing one daily flight (sans MAF which was increased....OIL?)

CDG cuts is not great for me (I fly it several times a year) but I am happy to still have the AF option non-stop. I always prefer non-stop in my business.

I am also not happy with the Toluca cut as I much prefered it to MEX.

In terms of what has been announced or loaded we are probably close to 8% now. Only a few more to go.
The prop flying is a different animal. Victoria was subsidized and they can drive to other aiports (SAT, HOU). BPT is a little surprising.

I am curious as to what will happen with Del Rio. That service has been popular, even with props.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17546 times:

All these cuts in rapid succession prove one thing - SMI/J doesn't bluff. He WILL retaliate.

Small communities lose access, IAH lose connectivity, and the city of Houston loses tax revenue. The only winner is UA's income statement.


User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1465 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17407 times:

Quoting Enilria (Reply 20):
I think that the overall plan of punishing IAH is childish and the routes being slashed have nothing to do with Mexico where WN will fly in many years when it is all finished. I think most of this stuff they are cutting was going to be cut anyway, but I do think that they are being more aggressive about not letting things that aren't going well play out because of their crazy anger.
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 23):
All these cuts in rapid succession prove one thing - SMI/J doesn't bluff. He WILL retaliate.

Enrilia, you are absolutely right that these cuts were probably going to happen no matter what. The HOU debacle just gave UA cover under which to cut and have it look (see Mogando's post) like Smisek was playing hardball. But to anyone paying attention they are really just pruning unprofitable flying with the added bonus of seeming to apply political pressure. This is not retaliation for anything, Smisek isn't stupid, he knows he needs the city of Houston and won't do anything to jeopordize that.


25 STT757 : Earlier than that, 1990.
26 klwright69 : Why is this? Aw, you guys take this forum so seriously. No one visiting this forum would ever say this is a draw down. I think the thread was headlin
27 Post contains images EA CO AS : What an overly sensationalist thread title! In earnest? Seriously?
28 Post contains images TWA772LR : It's all becuase Southwest is flying to MEX from HOU-LAS-MSY-BOS-CRP-HOU-MEX with 73G's!!!
29 N766UA : Says you.
30 drerx7 : This happens annually. They do... Again, happens every year. Lip service... In return we get ample revenue from WN and international ops. Yep. Agreed
31 DeltaMD90 : Well with hubs in SFO/LAX and EWR/IAD, I would suspect some trans-Pacific and trans-Atlantic routes to be shifted away from IAH... as for GSO and AVL,
32 Post contains images readytotaxi : Hey, Happy Birthday Drerx, 12yrs old today.
33 FlyingSicilian : Not at this level. This year's are larger. Which makes sense with UA "right sizing".
34 kgaiflyer : Geez o' goshen -- I haven't heard that expression since I was a puppy (I'm 69) . Back on topic, those flights all depart the B Terminal. And any cuts
35 drerx7 : Thanks!!! I hadn't realized its been that long. True. I wonder what the real capacity change is seeing as there has been a general upgauge of aircraf
36 Post contains links and images point2point : Not only will the almighty Smisek use all of UAs resources to punish IAH because he didn't get his way there, but now is he conjuring up the alliance
37 cat3dual : The sky is falling in Houston.[Edited 2012-06-29 13:21:17]
38 kgaiflyer : Since the diaspora of Mali, the Central African Republic, Togo, Cameroon, and the Gambia seem to be centered around DC and Baltimore, Air France has
39 TWA772LR : Geeeeez people... IAH can support a little more than JUST oil traffic... I'm sure IAH-CDG will pop back up when UA gets the 787. I think, since it's a
40 Post contains links drerx7 : Well...if its an either or thing I suspect IAH...or better yet...3 x AKL-DEN and 4 x AKL-IAH a week. It really underscores what all of us have been s
41 Post contains images peanuts : Yes. says me. And if UA can't decide on it, the New AA and DL will do it for them
42 Post contains images point2point : I thought that SFO had the whale jet also? At any rate, I don't think the almighty Smisek talked to LH yet about his Houston problem....... so who kn
43 Post contains images AVLAirlineFreq : I personally think it sucks. IAH-AVL has been around for 9 or 10 years. I'm personally sorry to see it end, as I used it as a nice connection to the
44 yellowtail : Yeah, that UA wanted off its commitment and that NZ was a less that willing partner to support the route.
45 FlyingSicilian : Good question. Digging at HAS website gives some numbers on years past but the not the UA cost metrics. I have some sources at UA but it takes time t
46 cjpark : Finally! A city finally faces the music for buying into the MYTH.
47 ABQopsHP : Just flew IAH-VCT today, 29Jun. On arrival, my parents told me they heard that 30Jun is the last day for service into VCT. Service into VCT has been
48 strfyr51 : Where do you get this "punishing" stuff?? Nobody is "punishing" Anybody!! This is Business.!! Punishing, is how the City of Houston whined about the
49 FlyingSicilian : This wins the award for the most fecklessly inane post for the month of June on A.net, congrats. IAH isn't facing anything other than its seasonal dr
50 Post contains images point2point : Hmmmmmmm........ Okay........... Wow! I do have to agree that it is business...... No..... I personally don't think that any of the current hub citie
51 thomasphoto60 : Agreed, again he is from Dallas, so as my father use to say "Consider the Source".
52 STT757 : One of the first moves the new UA made once the merger closed was to move 70 seat regional jets to IAH, those jets came from sUA hubs. There have been
53 AAplat4life : United is looking at Houston a bit more objectively now since it is no longer based there. AA would do the same thing to DFW if it moved its HQ somewh
54 Cubsrule : I'd think that the merger might help routes like IAH-AVL, IAH-GSO, IAH-CRW, etc. It increases the size of all those stations, spreading out a lot of
55 LAXdude1023 : With due respect, what on earth does being from Dallas have to do with anything??? Or perhaps that was just a cheap shot at Dallas? I'm from Dallas a
56 Post contains images mcg : Everybody knows that those who live in Dallas aren't real Texans!
57 capitalflyer : Which is why these changes are being made. Its all about the profit. I am not surprised at the cuts to small city service. IAD is going to become a m
58 STT757 : IAD is losing Colgan SF3 service too.
59 IrishAyes : This whole thread is getting painful to read.
60 johnyv : I think maybe someone did MSY-MID before CO did IAH-MID. It is funny that DL couldn't make it work & I didn't know that AA tried it. On what and
61 ItalianFlyer : Eastern flew it in the 70s thru the mid 80s.
62 FlyingSicilian : IIRC AA flew it from Miami with an RJ or ATR. Some AA watchers help me out on this one...
63 Cubsrule : I'm going to guess not only because of the length of it. I know AA had some trouble with the ATR's range on MIA-CZM, which is more than 100 miles sho
64 Post contains images Enilria : ...and CDG-IAH, apparently! AKL-DEN? ROTFL. I'd be shocked if the plane could even make it full loaded, but since the local market is pretty much zer
65 Post contains images point2point : 1. I didn't make this up...... NZ is stating they are actually considering it. 2. Per the Great Circle Mapper, DEN is 50 miles less than IAH from AKL
66 AVENSAB727 : UA is not punishing IAH, they are right sizing the hub!
67 AVENSAB727 : IAH will be expanded by UA once they right size the hub.
68 william : And still no mention in the news of UAEX leaving Waco or Beaumont. And yes, you can still make reservations to both destinations.
69 drerx7 : I'd like to see a comparison of IAH a year ago vs. today in terms of traffic and what not. The Airbus and 757 influx in lieu of some frequency cuts sh
70 Post contains images enilria : I'm referring to the altitude and wind...mostly the former. I'd be shocked if it can make it with the low air density on take off. Maybe if it is a M
71 Post contains images txjim : Well, at least our baseball team doesn't blow and our basketball team doesn't blow and our football team .... oh, never mind...
72 drerx7 : BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA...You guys up in Dallas have that neat soap opera tho that I like to watch. As a side note - sUA is operating from the entire Termi
73 RDH3E : Colgan has rejected all of their UA flying through their bankruptcy. All SF3's are leaving the fleet, which were all prorate anyways. Go on United.co
74 Post contains links steph3n : If it really required news to confirm, there is news: http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/U...ntral_Texas_Airport_160969355.html
75 Post contains links dia77 : P2P is right - below is a link to an article saying Denver is under consideration. Although, I imagine every Star Alliance hub in NA would be under "
76 william : Thanks, I have been to that site specifically but did not see anything last week.
77 Post contains links UNITED91 : Correct, it's now up on the Denver Post too. http://business-news.thestreet.com/d...ew-zealand-may-add-flights-dia-0/1
78 Post contains images point2point : The post article reports that the DEN officials say that they really know nothing about this, which is quite curious. Can this only fuel my thoughts
79 Post contains images UNITED91 : That caught my attention as well. Doesn't look too promising for a DEN-AKL route this point in time.. Especially when city and airport officials are
80 Post contains images point2point : Okay, I think that (let's put aside the ROTFL for a sec) by some miracle if this flight were to ever materialize, this would be a 13 hour or so fligh
81 Post contains images drerx7 : LOL... Maybe, I honestly think the mention of DEN is concessionary and the real meat of the issue is that New Zealand also lamented the non start of
82 Post contains images daedaeg : I'm dissappointed that CDG is being cut as I'm planning a trip there in October and want to have other non-stop options. But to make up for it Luthans
83 Post contains links toxtethogrady : I sure hope Smisek and crew are paying attention... http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2012/07...gy-companies-houston-gets-hot.html
84 IrishAyes : I mean, this article is great, but it really isn't compelling information to warrant keeping the nonstop flight. It is losing money. Period. Why shou
85 tommy767 : Just a couple of trims people. Nothing to see here.[Edited 2012-07-05 09:41:43]
86 LAXdude1023 : I read the article as well. There were a few good tidbits of info, but its more of a ra-ra piece than anything else. Houston is doing very well in th
87 Post contains links and images point2point : To all of my dear friends above posting those nay-sayers statements about how Houston and IAH aren't being "punished" by UA because the City of Housto
88 drerx7 : That's the point of contention though...if it is 'responding accordingly'. I still cannot see logically why flights that were being operated unporfit
89 AVENSAB727 : UA is right sizing the hub, they are using the HOU expansion as a cover.
90 Post contains links Pbb152 : Per chron.com, Mazatlan and Aruba are also done. Can anyone confirm? http://www.chron.com/business/articl...to-discontinue-nonstop-3689090.php
91 Post contains images point2point : Yes, although UA did seem to warn the City of Houston what would happen if they did approve the HOU FIS. And the city did go ahead and approve the FI
92 Pbb152 : Wow, your impression is that UA is the parent and the city of Houston is the child in this situation? Guess that just goes to show how two people can
93 aznmadsci : I thought AUA was only 1x/weekly. So no real loss there.
94 drerx7 : That statement is where the issue I see is. So now they have to cash the check that their mouth wrote. As a business, I'd think that you'd want to ca
95 GEsubsea : Interestings comments from this indie consultant on the matter from today's Chronicle article: Jack Stelzer, a Houston-based independent airline consu
96 gigneil : What? Exactly my thought. NS
97 Post contains images point2point : Yes, I guess, but that's pretty much just what it is..... my opinion. And for the most part, it's good that other people can have different prospecti
98 FlyingSicilian : Houstonian SOuthwest also spoke,and the law required the City of Houston to listen. Not to rehash the old debate to much but the UA point was non-sen
99 drerx7 : Well, what I would do is just quietly and discretely cut unprofitable flying and downplay any association to the debacle. At the 'street level' a big
100 COflyerBOS : What is this nonsense about "UA spoke and Houston didn't listen?" Since when did UA become EF Hutton? The reality? UA threatened, lied, cajoled, lobbi
101 FlyingSicilian : Smisek is on the board of National Oilwell Varco and I've heard they are not even using UA now on some routes that they were contracted to before...
102 AVENSAB727 : I think Smisek is angry at Tilton for ruining CO's image and blowing a good opportunity to improve UA.
103 no1racer : To me, I think it should come down to one question, "What's the end game here and how will this make us more profitable?" I think UA should realize th
104 Cubsrule : I've noticed somewhat more employee initiative lately. I had a 9L flight a few weeks ago where the agents just could not get the manifest to reconcil
105 ual777 : What?! Tilton has nothing to do with the newly merged company. CO was one of the most over-rated airlines at the time of the merger. They were riding
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