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DL MEC TA Passes  
User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8048 times:

According to what I saw from the MEC, of 10,864 eligible Delta pilots, 10,170, or 94 percent cast their vote. Of those, 6,327, or 62 percent voted “In Favor” of the agreement. The agreement will become effective on Sunday, July 1, 2012. Once implemented, the PWA will continue in full force and effect through December 31, 2015.

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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7966 times:

Good for them. Good move., and it wasn't even close it appears.

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7890 times:

Is this the agreement that will allow mainline pilots to fly the 717, as well as Delta Connection flying more 76-seat RJs?


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User currently offlineDL WIDGET HEAD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7832 times:

Great news! Good for pilots and good for Delta.

User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7818 times:

It doesn't surprise me that it passed. But I still believe it to be a poor deal for the pilots. It's a nearly toothless union.

User currently onlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7815 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 4):
But I still believe it to be a poor deal for the pilots.

Why?



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineDL WIDGET HEAD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7723 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 4):
But I still believe it to be a poor deal for the pilots. It's a nearly toothless union.

There's always going to be those who think it's not good enough but it was obviously good enough for a majority to approve it. Makes me think of the quote from Joe Kennedy when Jack beat Niixon in the 1960 Presidential campaign by the smallest margin..he said "why should I pay for a landslide when any win will do". It's not in Delta's interest to have 100% of pilots approve because that would signify Delta giving the farm away.


User currently offlineflyhossd From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7665 times:

So how many more CRJ900s with 76 seats will be headed to the DL Connection carriers? Good news for Bombardier, I'm sure.


My statements do not represent my former employer or my current employer and are my opinions only.
User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7665 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 5):
Why?

Because it's a compromise deal for the pilots in an economic situation where they held all the cards. This was their chance to get the contract they wanted. Coming to an agreement this early means someone didn't even try to play the game. That side was the union. There's not a lot of fight in that group. The company is a big winner here.


User currently onlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7643 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 8):

Have you seen the contract? Or at least the big provisions of it?



Hey Swifty
User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7647 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 4):
It doesn't surprise me that it passed. But I still believe it to be a poor deal for the pilots. It's a nearly toothless union.

Obviously, the pilots, who are probably more knowledgeable than you are about their contracts, don't agree. Toothless union or not, if the pilots hadn't liked the deal, they probably would have rejected it.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7621 times:

Quoting flyhossd (Reply 7):
So how many more CRJ900s with 76 seats will be headed to the DL Connection carriers? Good news for Bombardier, I'm sure.

It hasn't been decided whether the 76-seat RJs will be CRJ-900s or E-175s. It could go either way, since I heard that NW seemed to have a preference of the E-175 over the CR9. The CR9 has a lower fuel burn, while the E-175 has more range and cargo capacity, as well as a more comfortable cabin.

[Edited 2012-06-29 11:17:42]


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User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7569 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 8):
Coming to an agreement this early means someone didn't even try to play the game.

That's a simplistic view. There are real benefits to management and union alike from arriving at an early agreement. Labor strife is profoundly damaging to companies. It scares away some customers, makes the remaining customers feel like no one is focused on serving them, damages the company's image with the public, and makes it much harder for the union and management to work together productively on the little things that can save the company money and improve conditions for the workforce. When the company is doing reasonably well, it's easier for management and the union to put together an agreement that truly benefits both sides. If they can do so, then there's a meaningful, quantifiable advantage in getting the agreement signed as soon as possible rather than dragging the process out to try to get a few more concessions.

Kudos to management and union alike.


User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 566 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7574 times:

Quoting DL WIDGET HEAD (Reply 6):
There's always going to be those who think it's not good enough but it was obviously good enough for a majority to approve it. Makes me think of the quote from Joe Kennedy when Jack beat Niixon in the 1960 Presidential campaign by the smallest margin..he said "why should I pay for a landslide when any win will do". It's not in Delta's interest to have 100% of pilots approve because that would signify Delta giving the farm away.

In light of all the uninformed analysis on this board that suggested this TA was some kind of strategic error by DALPA which would lead to decertification, I would say that ratification with 62% of the vote is absolutely a landslide.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7517 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 9):
Have you seen the contract? Or at least the big provisions of it?

I've seen all the main points of the deal. But what's specifically in the contract is largely irrelevant. The union's bargaining power at this stage is definitely not as high as what it would have been later. There's essentially no chance that this was the best deal they could have negotiated. On the contrary this was probably the best deal that the company could have asked for.

Quoting mayor (Reply 10):
Obviously, the pilots, who are probably more knowledgeable than you are about their contracts, don't agree. Toothless union or not, if the pilots hadn't liked the deal, they probably would have rejected it.

My background in labor economics means that I don't even have to be that knowledgeable about the details to tell them that they didn't get the best deal. But obviously it was good enough for the majority, so they'll have to live with their decision.


User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7412 times:

And scope industry wide will continue to crumble, mark my words on this! I am actually surprised it passed with such a high margin, seeing as though most Delta guys I talked to were against this TA!

Either way, now that the new contract is in place, expect a major shakeup in the Delta Connection world with a significant reduction in 50 RJ 200s! It's going to be an interesting few years in the regional world!



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7362 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 14):
But obviously it was good enough for the majority, so they'll have to live with their decision.

Well, that's the whole point of "majority rules", isn't it? Maybe the "majority" (and the MEC) thought this what was best for them AND the company, whereas if they got the best deal for themselves, later, it might not have been what was best for the overall company.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 566 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7343 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 14):
My background in labor economics means that I don't even have to be that knowledgeable about the details to tell them that they didn't get the best deal. But obviously it was good enough for the majority, so they'll have to live with their decision.

If by "economics" you really mean "ideology," then your logic makes sense. Anyone with actual training in financial or economic analysis would appreciate the elegance of this deal and the risks each side had to take in order for it to happen.

The majority of Delta pilots are owed a debt of gratitude for saving the DPA guys from their own stupidity.


User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7306 times:
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Now maybe I get to see a 717 in DL colors side by side to a DC9 in DL colors.

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User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7263 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 14):
The union's bargaining power at this stage is definitely not as high as what it would have been later. There's essentially no chance that this was the best deal they could have negotiated.

This sort of thinking assumes that the negotiation process itself has no effect on the company's business and that the negotiation is a zero-sum game over a fixed amount of income. That's wrong, and it's the sort of thinking that gets unions and management alike in a lot of trouble. The union might have been able to get a bit more of the pie by holding out and kicking up dirt -- but there's a good chance that if they had done so then the whole pie would have shrunk by more than the union gained.

[Edited 2012-06-29 12:07:59]

User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7220 times:

Quoting DL WIDGET HEAD (Reply 6):
Makes me think of the quote from Joe Kennedy when Jack beat Niixon in the 1960 Presidential campaign by the smallest margin..he said "why should I pay for a landslide when any win will do

Close. Actually it went like this, "Don't buy a single vote more than necessary. I'll be damned if I'm going to pay for a landslide."


User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7207 times:

I was reading another forum on this issue, and the whole pilot issue aside this is going to have a huge impact on their existing regional deals, and no one save for possibly GoJet, Compass, and Shuttle America will be immune from this. The immediate impact obviously is on the 50 seat market, which will have to be significantly trimmed down. Delta does own a lot of 50 seaters, but most of these are with either Comair or Pinnacle. Pinnacle is curently in bankruptcy, and this development is going to complicate that even more. The one thing to note though is that of the 200's that DL owns, most of the ones with Pinnacle are among the newest ones flying with any regional. If Pinnacle can get a favorable contract in the bankruptcy court, then I would expect them to maintain a lot of the 200 flying. The problem is DL does not want all of it at one carrier after the Comair strike. This could actually be the end of Comair because those are the older 200's and the pilots are very senior as well.

ExpressJet and Skywest are going to be hugely impacted by this. The big problem both carriers are going to have is if DL trims their 200 flying, they may be stuck with 200's that have no home but they still have leases on. Replacing that flying with some 700 and 900's will lessen the sting, but there is still a cost to owning or leasing planes you cannot fly.

My guess is that Pinnacle, Skywest and ExpressJet will take some hits on this, but combined will handle all the 200 flying that is left. But Skywest Inc. is going to take a financial hit on this down the road.

Also, with a reduction in that much 200 flying, could DL just completely say its time to pull the plug on MEM and CVG? Also keep an eye on the MSP hub, which while I don't think it will take a big hit, I think it will be reduced a bit because of this.


Finally, congrats to both sides for getting this done in a timely manner. I may have wanted to see more scope in this, but given the way the market is working right now that problem may be solved down the road.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7115 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 4):

Yes, they should fight management like AA, US, and UA pilots are doing.   That's going really well for them! I admire the way DL pilots and management can get along. A big reason why I want to work for them one day. Oh well, can't make everyone happy, at least 2/3s were (a pretty good margin, you see 51-55% passing a lot of time)

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 15):

Yes, too bad we added some 100 seaters to mainline! Too bad we're making the company healthier by reducing 50 seaters and increasing 76 seaters, LOCKED in a ration (DL can't just remove mainline and add regional all they want.) There is going to be a net GAIN in mainline and net LOSS in regional seats... did you even read the contract???



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7115 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 16):
whereas if they got the best deal for themselves, later, it might not have been what was best for the overall company.

A competent union can't care about the health of the company when negotiating. Only the company knows what it can and can't accept from the union, and it won't tell the union what that is. And it goes the other way too. The company can't care about the union, because only the union knows what it can and can't accept. If you try to play nice and accept whatever number the other side initially asks for, you just accepted the worst deal for you. That doesn't mean you took a pay cut or anything like that. It just means you gained the least or lost the most.

Maybe some believe that just because there's a union involved it means that it's a strong one that drives a hard bargain and gets the best deal for them. That's just not true. This has the hallmarks of a weak union and a great deal for Delta. Remember, this is a glorious time for the pilots to need a new contract. The airlines are profitable again. Instead the union bought the car at the asking price.

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 17):
If by "economics" you really mean "ideology," then your logic makes sense. Anyone with actual training in financial or economic analysis would appreciate the elegance of this deal and the risks each side had to take in order for it to happen.

The majority of Delta pilots are owed a debt of gratitude for saving the DPA guys from their own stupidity.

Economics is a science, the antithesis of an ideology. It's isn't my ideology that says the company got a good deal, it's the unbreakable science that tells me who did.

In the end the voters for the contract are pilots. They don't know how this works. This isn't their expertise. They have to rely on the union leaders. If those leaders aren't strong in negotiating, this is the type of deal they will get.


User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6962 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 23):
A competent union can't care about the health of the company when negotiating.

That is so, so wrong. The union's job is to maximize the return (speaking in terms of both compensation and working conditions) for its employees. There may well be a time when the greatest total return will be a slightly smaller slice of a larger pie; in other words, when the union makes a concession that makes it easier for the company to grow. Negotiating on behalf of a union without taking the company's health into account is just like negotiating for your car without knowing in advance what works best for the dealer. Negotiations are not a zero-sum game. The very most effective negotiation is one that creates value that didn't exist before, the benefits of which both sides can enjoy. Both sides need as much information as possible for there to be any possibility of creating value. Acrimonious negotiations, public fighting, and missed deadlines, by contrast, destroy value and make it harder for both sides to benefit.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 23):
If you try to play nice and accept whatever number the other side initially asks for, you just accepted the worst deal for you.

I see no evidence that either side did this. Not every successful negotiation has to come down to the last second.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 23):
This has the hallmarks of a weak union and a great deal for Delta.

If anything, I worry that Delta gave away the store to the pilots in exchange for what is really a fairly small expansion of scope. I'm more confident that this is a good deal for the union than that it's a good deal for Delta.

[Edited 2012-06-29 13:14:34]

25 DL WIDGET HEAD : It's this type of thinking that doomed United in the mid 90's. Wasn't UA chief negotiating pilot Dubinsky the one who said "we don't want to kill the
26 par13del : Labour peace has been non-existent at AA for decades, the anit-union folk will say it finally led to their Chpt.11 while at the same time saying that
27 goldenstate : Your definition of each party's interests is extremely narrow. I suspect this is because such a narrow set of interests conveniently fits within a po
28 FlyASAGuy2005 : Where is the one poster that said there's no way in hell it would pass and all this TAU will do is bring down ALPA and open the door for the DPA group
29 par13del : Out to lunch..............eating pie???????????
30 Post contains images dtw9 : Great to hear. Time to start painting...........
31 peanuts : You call it toothless. I call it a sign of the times we are in. What planet are you on? Lol. Company wins, pilots win. That's how it is my friend. St
32 Post contains images seabosdca : And I say this as someone who generally has sympathies opposite to those of goldenstate.
33 MSPNWA : It maybe sounds wrong, but it's true. It's not their job to look out for the company in negotiations. If the company is run competently, it knows exa
34 nwaesc : As always, I have to ask; Who are the 6% that sat this out, and why are they so apathetic about their career?! JMHO, but I sure hope it's the latter.
35 seabosdca : ...which is exactly why the union needs to know that too. If the union is missing information the company has, that gives the company an unfair advan
36 cbphoto : Uhh...yeah I read the contract, and i'll one up you by saying not only did I read the contract, I have also talked to many Delta pilots who will live
37 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Maybe they were exactly 50/50% on the fence and could go either way I don't think so... to be an airline pilot, you gotta be smart. At least 1 DL pil
38 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : how sad. Once again DALPA proves its useless and the carrot and the stick works. Good job on Delta's part, they got most of the contract to be worse t
39 etops1 : When do they get the first 717?
40 SkyTeamTriStar : As it should be. No Company = No paycheck
41 Mir : Let it not. That sector of the industry needs some stability in a VERY bad way. -Mir
42 FlyASAGuy2005 : I love how people think they know what's best for others... They voted. Let's get over it.
43 dtw9 : 16 starting mid 2013, 36 in 2014 and 36 in 2015
44 DeltaMD90 : I don't know... maybe it's because the pilots I talk to live near Atlanta, Georgia which is mostly Republican and more pro-business. Sorry, not tryin
45 burnsie28 : They would have received far less if they let it go down the path. It's a good deal for the pilots and while its not Pre-BK for the pilots, its still
46 seabosdca : That would run into the business reality that soon there will be no economic point to most 50-seat flying. The airlines need to be able to upgauge th
47 Post contains images usdcaguy : Since when is it the worker's job to take care of the company? It's the worker's job to fulfill his contractual obligations to the company, and he mu
48 Post contains images seabosdca : How shortsighted can you get? As a worker, I want to have a company. I see. So you're an effeminate wuss if you create value but a "man" if you destr
49 DeltaMD90 : Wait, is that in the TA? I thought it was just more 76 seaters which they already fly anyway. 50 seaters are just too uneconomical...
50 DeltaL1011man : how do you know this? Typical fear pushing. you must work for management or ALPA. Delta got 500M of cost savings in this contract. Aka the pilots gav
51 Mir : Why shouldn't they? Too many people have gotten burned by thinking they can make sacrifices for the company and they'll get paid back later somehow.
52 MountainFlyer : Why? If anything it'll hurt DTW more IMO as they have a lot more 50-seat traffic than MSP. MSP actually maintains more mainline traffic (by number of
53 mayor : And you would be SO wrong, young one. DALPA's DIRECT "purpose in life" may be to what is best for the pilots, but, at some point, they must think abo
54 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : No. I'm not. so me the ALPA bylaw that says any of this. (or DALPA. Hell APA, TWU, IAM, IBT, AFA, AFPA, AMFA, CWA or any other airline union.) It is
55 seabosdca : Yes. But a good contract for ALPA members is one that doesn't drive the company into Chapter 11. Poorly thought-through union contracts drove UA, CO,
56 dtw9 : [quote=DeltaL1011man,reply=50]how do you know this? Typical fear pushing. you must work for management or ALPA. Seems to me I've seen these comments e
57 PIEAvantiP180 : Guys it really does not matter any more what we think and what the union should have and should have not done. The vote is out and the pilots of DL h
58 lucky777 : I for one am happy the pilots got a deal done as quickly as they did. Is the entire pilot group happy with the deal? Of course not, but a fairly large
59 FlyASAGuy2005 : Jesus THANK YOU!!!!!!
60 par13del : Management signed and agreed to it. Management signed and agreed to it. The last quote above seems to be where a lot of folks opinions diverge, based
61 burnsie28 : Giving up $500m? So they get a pay raise, more mainline etc. Both sides ended positive, the 500m in savings came from the pilot group being more prod
62 Post contains links dairbus : I would like to point out that Aviation Week had an article a few days ago stating that 75% of GE CF34 engines that power the CRJ200's will need over
63 nwaesc : Oh, I'm not disagreeing. My comments earlier were in reference to idea posted earlier that they entered talks with some sort of altruistic goal in mi
64 Post contains links PIEAvantiP180 : you are correct, majority of that 500mil is not having to pay for CRJ200 engine everhauls. Here is the articli: http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/n.
65 Post contains links KarlB737 : Lots of info in this writeup: Courtesy: Associated Press Delta Pilots Ratify New Contract http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-...ots-ratify-contract-1
66 par13del : Two snippets I find interesting: "The union estimated that the number of seats flown by regional carriers for Delta will drop 15.6 percent. The end re
67 usdcaguy : It is highly unlikely the non-unionized work groups at DL will be getting 13% at the beginning of next year. It obviously pays to have a CBA.
68 Post contains images mayor : You know, everytime we get in this argument, you imply that I don't deserve my pension. So sad...........anyway, you're comparing apples and oranges,
69 mayor : No, but they ARE getting a pay raise next January, as well as, probably, profit sharing, again
70 rwy04lga : I believe we're getting a raise tomorrow as well! Profit sharing on February 14th 2013.
71 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : .....So doing more work is winning? Do you understand how the seniority system works? More flying = less people which is bad for pilots. No you do, b
72 TVNWZ : As a business owner that has several unions representing my workers, I nevfer expect the union to be looking out for my interest. Never. I expect the
73 PIEAvantiP180 : You can't compare what WN pays its 737 pilots and how many DL types get paid more then them. You have to compare legacy to legacy and when you do the
74 nwaesc : ^This^ Ironically, on other sites, many of the most ardent anti-labor people are now the ones wailing the loudest about how small their increase will
75 Maverick623 : Full pay to the last day, eh? If that's your basis for your economic analysis, well, frankly you don't know what you're talking about. Yes, it is. Yo
76 mayor : Well, until people like you came along, the employees WERE the company and the company was the employees.....that's the part you don't see. Should I
77 Maverick623 : You were, what, 12 when 9/11 happened? Let me give you a history lesson: Airlines were bleeding money worse in 2000 than they were 3 years ago. If an
78 MSPNWA : Agree totally. That's exactly how both sides should look at negotiations. Here's the deal: under what environment is it advantageous for labor to be
79 seabosdca : This is amazingly, stupefyingly wrong. Essentially every large U.S. company that used union labor in the '50s and '60s is a counterexample. Just in t
80 usdcaguy : False. The worker is hired to fulfill the contractual obligations, written or otherwise, he has with his company. If he is in sales, then yes, he has
81 727forever : I voted yes. Was it a great deal? No. Was it a good deal? Mostly. Would we have gotten anything better by the end of the year? According to the NMB, n
82 mayor : The airline industry is littered with the remains of companies where the employees didn't think they had any stake in whether the company was profita
83 NWAdeicer : Heck, maybe DL is saving good money on the mass of Ready Reserve positions that only seem to be available. Seeing quite a few co-workers who work thei
84 Post contains images mayor : Figures you would take it OFF topic..............
85 NWAdeicer : Sorry, my apologies. I thought the discussion was about saving money, pensions, COLA. Those types of things.
86 usdcaguy : My point was that it is not a worker's job to sweep his own interests under the rug in the name of making his company money. If a company wants to gi
87 airtechy : I think all you have to do is look at the balance sheet of a certain airline based in Dallas to prove how wrong that statement is.
88 Post contains images nwaesc : ^Truth^ It might be tangental, but it *is* related to what you've been writing about employees having a vested interest in the company, etc. There ma
89 michman : At this point, an airline's profitability is incredibly dependent on issues largely outside of their control -- the price of fuel and the economy. I'
90 CWAFlyer : Not all the time. How many shenanigans did Rick Dubinsky try to pull with UA while he was the MEC chairman? He knew exactly what the company's financ
91 FlyASAGuy2005 : Always nice to hear a bit of info direct from the source. Of course we have those that think they know what's best for you but at the same time don't
92 CV880 : Wrong & Wrong. DL gave away the store and and paid the price. Pilots walked away in the last year before BK with million dollar payouts and the C
93 Post contains images mayor : The discussion was about the pilots' contract and whether they had a vested interest in the profitability of the company. Well it's worked for years
94 Mir : That's a very bad assumption to make, actually. No it isn't. It's also about the regional pilots who will have flying either given to them or taken a
95 Post contains images Maverick623 : It's attitudes like that which cause businesses (not just airlines) to fail. You have a bunch of young hot-shot MBAs who can't seem to look past toda
96 Post contains images rwy04lga : Awww, isn't that special. Don't cry for us, NWAdeicer, the RR program is good for Delta and the RR employees. The RR program may not work for you, bu
97 usdcaguy : You didn't understand what I wrote. It is the work of some employees that generates revenue, not the money they are owed. What a worker takes home at
98 srbmod : This topic has run its' course as a few of you continue to hijack the discussion and those posts are generating a lot of deletion suggestions from the
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