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What Do You Think About Air Europe?  
User currently offlinePanamfanatic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1094 times:

Recently I learned that a new airline had been created in Europe, they have a really awesome paint scheme and fly 777's and 320's, or atleast that is all i have seen from them. What do you guys think of them? I am looking for more info. Thanks!

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User currently offlineJWM AIRTRANS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1018 times:

Hi-

I haven't heard much about them yet either. I know that their 777(s) are on lease. And yes, they do have a great paint scheme.

Here is a 767-300:


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Jack M



User currently offlineJWM AIRTRANS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1011 times:

PS
They are not a new airline, they just have a new paint scheme.

Has anyone very flown on them?

Jack Miller


User currently offlineSHORTS360 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1009 times:

Hi,
Can you tell me where they are based and any other info you have on them to date.
Thanks.


User currently offlineJumbotim From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1006 times:

As Jack Miller says, they are not a new airline or at least I don't believe they are if they are the same airline that my wife used to be a flight attendant for in the early '90s. They were forced to downscale their sizeable operation by the "bigger and bolder" competition. They virtually disappeared from UK runways apart from a few 757s which bore the same livery but with an "a" replacing the "e" at the end of Europe. They were pretty big throughout the '80s though - I remember flying with them on a regular basis. They were based at Gatwick but have no info as to where they are now. When my wife flew with them they ran 757s, 737s and they had one 747 which had no livery - it was just all white - known to the crew as the Flying Tampon!

User currently offlineTriStar From Belgium, joined Oct 1999, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (14 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1007 times:

As far as I know, they're based in Italy. Erm... could it be MXP?

TriStar


User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (14 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 995 times:

Just to let you know, there were three Air Europes
1) Air Europe -formed in 1979 (I'm nearly sure) to operate charter flights from England. Flew B757's, and B737's and was aquired by the Leisure group during the 80's. This group went into receivership/liquidation and the airline was shut down (stranding thousands of holiday makers)
2) Air Europa - a Spainish airline formed in the 70's as well which had close links to the english airline, the spainish airline was bought over by a tour operator during the 80's and thus was able to stay in existence even after the demise of Air Europe. The spainish airline flies B767' B757's and B737's as well as some code share flights for Iberia.
3) Air Europe -the Italian version, this is the one I'm least sure off, obvisously part of the group during the 80's and was able to stay flying after the English one went bankrupt, The SAir Group (swissair) have a 49% satke in it,they fly B777's and B767's aswell as A320's out of Milan, (as far as I'm aware) and they do mostly charter flights, however schedule internal flights are starting.
I could be proved totally wrong on all these points, but I think thats the gist of the story
hope it helps in tracking down the final story



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User currently offlineTriStar From Belgium, joined Oct 1999, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (14 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 995 times:

That's quite interesting, Pilot21. And since Airliners.Net has provided the forum with a little gadget, I thought I'd try this:

Number one would look like

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Photo © Sarah W.



As where number two would be

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Photo © Gary Watt



And number three is

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Photo © Alexander Jonsson



Cool, it works. ;-)
Actually, I was wondering why all these liveries looked so much alike. There simply HAD to be a link. Never thought too much of it, though.

TriStar


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8093 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (14 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 994 times:

The original Air Europe was a great airline, revolutionised the charter market in the UK and Europe by buying all new planes (737-200s) whereas Monarch et al were flying Comets, 720s, BAC111s and the like. The expansion was fueled by the 80s boom years and things really got out of hand. It's surprising they never had an accident, because although the troops were very motivated and competent, the management was just wild, boardroom coups and scuffles a daily occurence. The rumours of drug use among the top personnel were rife - a friend of mine sat in on an aircraft acquisition internal meeting and there was coke being used openly. "How many aircraft do we need for X new route?" "Three." "(big sniff) Then we'll get eight." They applied for every scheduled license available, although it was more quantity than quality - three or four scheduled routes a day to lots of second-tier German cities, the Channel Islands, Gibralter, Salzburg, that kind of thing (with the odd cherry such as Paris or Nice). They ordered 12 Trent-powered MD11s for scheduled flights to Brisbane, Auckland, Penang (more second-tier destinations). In other words, picking up route licenses which were dormant for a very good reason - no-one else could make money on the route. When the recession hit at the end of the decade, the whole thing collapsed like a house of cards. The brand-new fleet of a dozen F100s went straight onto the market, much to Fokker's horror, along with the rest of the fleet. It isn't widely known, but the airline had also signed a deal with Airbus for 45 A320s. Oh my god. The week after the shutdown, Harry Goodman (the MD) was all over the tabloids, as it was revealed that he paid hookers to dress him in nappies and spank him (I believe it's known as Infantilism). What a riot. Shame cos they were great to fly with but the drugs and hookers and bullshit factor ensured that the bubble would surely burst sooner or later.


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User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (14 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 984 times:

Just as an aside, some members of the management from Air Europe (UK) went on to create CityFlyer to serve under utilised European destinations from Gatwick, Shortly after forming they became a BA franchise partner and last year they were bought by BA who wants to boast their Gatwick presence. So obviously not all the management were wasting there brains, cos Cityflyer is a very good airline.


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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8093 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (14 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 986 times:

My understanding is that CityFlyer Express began life as Connectair, and became an Air Europe (UK) franchise that survived the bankruptcy of it's parent and went on to become CityFlyer. It was a seperate organisation and wasn't really a part of the spend spend spend culture that killed Air Europe. The nappy-infatuated Harry Goodman went on to start TV Travel (or something), which sells package holidays through unused cable stations at 3am with hours of infommercials. I don't know about the rest of the board but they all hated each other so TV Travel is probably strictly Harry's, erm, baby (ha! ha!).


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