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727 And DC-9 With 757 And MD-80 Interiors?  
User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9446 times:

I was wondering, has Boeing ever made any 727s with a 757-style interior? Also, has McDonnell Douglas ever made any original DC-9s with MD-80-style interiors?

I know Boeing has made a few late-model 737 Jurassics with a 757-style interior (DL's former 732s for example), and adopted the 757 interior on the 737 Classic, but what about the 727? Later on, the 757 adopted the 737NG interior (standard on the 753, optional on the 752), which was a hybrid of the 757 and 777 interiors.

As for McD, I don't know if there were any DC-9s made with an MD-80-style interior. The MD-80 never adopted the MD-90 interior, as even AA's ex-TWA MD-80s (which are some of the newest MD-80s made) have the same style interior as the older aircraft (although AA installed bin extensions on them fleet-wide).

[Edited 2012-06-30 14:29:28]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25459 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9360 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
has Boeing ever made any 727s with a 757-style interior?

Highly unlikely. The last few passenger 727s went to carriers that already operated 727 fleets. Can't see them wanting non-standard interiors and the resulting larger supply of spare parts for so few aircraft. And I doubt Boeng would want to change the design just as the 727 line was coming to an end.


User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1961 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9151 times:

Heath Tecna had a 757 style bin kit called the Spacemaker IIa (installed on older EA 722s). The latch was located on the bin door and not the bin itself.


As far as DC-9s go, quite a few MD-80s were built with the DC-9 interior so I doubt any DC-9s were built with the later MD-80 interior. Anyone know if the late build US Air DC-9s had them?

[Edited 2012-06-30 18:03:45]


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User currently offlinethegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8963 times:

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 2):
Heath Tecna had a 757 style bin kit called the Spacemaker IIa (installed on older EA 722s). The latch was located on the bin door and not the bin itself.

I believe Pan Am also had some of these kits as well.

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 2):

As far as DC-9s go, quite a few MD-80s were built with the DC-9 interior so I doubt any DC-9s were built with the later MD-80 interior. Anyone know if the late build US Air DC-9s had them?

DC-9's were later remodeled with the MD-80 interior. AirTran & ValuJet DC-9's featured the MD-80 interior.


User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1674 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8926 times:
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I have been on many DC-9s and MD-80s, and I never noticed any differences in the interiors, except for galley placement. How are they different?

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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8696 times:

Quoting L1011 (Reply 4):
I have been on many DC-9s and MD-80s, and I never noticed any differences in the interiors, except for galley placement. How are they different?

Here are photos of unmodified DC-9 and MD-80 interiors:

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Left photo is the DC-9, right photo is the MD-80.



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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1961 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8633 times:

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 3):
I believe Pan Am also had some of these kits as well.

That makes sense as PA had some EA ships.

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 3):
DC-9's were later remodeled with the MD-80 interior. AirTran & ValuJet DC-9's featured the MD-80 interior.

I know DL installed the Heath Tecna kit.

http://www.heath.com/about-us/our-history/1980s.aspx

I also recall a KLM ship (at TWA) having it.



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User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2001 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8552 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
As for McD, I don't know if there were any DC-9s made with an MD-80-style interior. The MD-80 never adopted the MD-90 interior, as even AA's ex-TWA MD-80s (which are some of the newest MD-80s made) have the same style interior as the older aircraft (although AA installed bin extensions on them fleet-wide).

Didn't Northwest install MD-80 interiors in their Nines when they overhauled and updated them at the old Southern base at ATL?

United's 727's had the larger 757 style bins, versus the one's Braniff and American installed in their 727's, when UA did the interior mod on their fleet replacing the open bins, but they may not have been as large as those on the 757..


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8553 times:

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 6):
I know DL installed the Heath Tecna kit.

http://www.heath.com/about-us/our-history/1980s.aspx

I also recall a KLM ship (at TWA) having it.
DL also installed the StarBin package on the L-1011s.

Quoting milesrich (Reply 7):
Didn't Northwest install MD-80 interiors in their Nines when they overhauled and updated them at the old Southern base at ATL?

Actually, the NW DC-9 interiors more closely resemble the 717, although not exactly the same interior.

[Edited 2012-07-01 05:21:35]


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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8392 times:

Quoting milesrich (Reply 7):
United's 727's had the larger 757 style bins, versus the one's Braniff and American installed in their 727's, when UA did the interior mod on their fleet replacing the open bins, but they may not have been as large as those on the 757..

I flew a few EAL 727s with the 757 interior and they looked sharp. IIRC the UA 727s had the bin extension kit that kept the sloping PSU unit. Western had the same config on their 727s...I could tell when I boarded an old WA bird even without knowing the 'N' number or seeing the aft galley at 2R (vs native DL 2L galley config).

Here is the final live DL 727 segment..operated by an old WA bird...that shows what im talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npuTH5w2VfY


User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1961 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8194 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 9):
IIRC the UA 727s had the bin extension kit that kept the sloping PSU unit. Western had the same config on their 727s..

That was the Heath Tecna Quikbin. The PSUs were not moved from their original location (similar to the 737 sky interior) It must've been a cheaper option because you could see a/c insulation when the bin door was open.

http://www.heath.com/HeathTecnaUS/files/9c/9c1af3ad-96d1-48fb-87c8-fa8c93d2390f.jpg



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8016 times:

Air Canada operated some inherited Canadian Airlines 732s with CRTs in the isle -- but looked more like a typical 727 interior:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Canad...d=b4fe96d91cee27e981c04ee91254d2a0

Also some US and CO's 733 had CRTs in the isle just like the 757.



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User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1674 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 6742 times:
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Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 10):
That was the Heath Tecna Quikbin. The PSUs were not moved from their original location (similar to the 737 sky interior) It must've been a cheaper option because you could see a/c insulation when the bin door was open.

Whose interior is that in the picture? I don't remember that one.

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25459 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5961 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
Quoting L1011 (Reply 4):
I have been on many DC-9s and MD-80s, and I never noticed any differences in the interiors, except for galley placement. How are they different?

Here are photos of unmodified DC-9 and MD-80 interiors:

You're referring to late production DC-9s. For the first few years DC-9s had no overhead bins, just open coatracks, almost identical to DC-8s of the same vintage (after they stopped using the original Palomar seats on DC-8s and moved the passenger services from the seatback to the overhead racks.)


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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1961 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5863 times:

Quoting L1011 (Reply 12):
Whose interior is that in the picture? I don't remember that one

Probably a mockup....the photo is from the Heath Tecna website.



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User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1674 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5714 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
You're referring to late production DC-9s. For the first few years DC-9s had no overhead bins, just open coatracks, almost identical to DC-8s of the same vintage (after they stopped using the original Palomar seats on DC-8s and moved the passenger services from the seatback to the overhead racks.)

I remember the open overhead racks on KLM and Eastern DC-9s. KLM used them to replace Electras, and Eastern used them to replace similar-sized propliners. Eastern put in the enclosed bins in their DC-9s around 1981. I flew RIC-ATL on 8/12/81 on N8980E and it had the open overhead racks. I flew back on 8/15/81 on N8918E and it had the enclosed bins.

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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2364 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 14 hours ago) and read 5354 times:
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Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
The MD-80 never adopted the MD-90 interior

The MD-88 features a wider aisle than it's predecessors. This was carried over to the MD-90 cabin.



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User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1674 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 5203 times:
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Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 16):
The MD-88 features a wider aisle than it's predecessors. This was carried over to the MD-90 cabin.

Since the DC-9 and MD-80 are the same width, they must have had to put in narrower seats to get a wider aisle.

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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 5190 times:

Quoting L1011 (Reply 17):
Since the DC-9 and MD-80 are the same width, they must have had to put in narrower seats to get a wider aisle.

Bob Bradley

I haven't noticed any difference between the MD-88 interior vs other MD-80 variants. Of course, DL has made many mods to the interiors of their MD-88s, such as bin extensions in 2000, and more recently updated PSUs (white/gray instead of black, with adjustable LED reading lights).



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7598 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 5161 times:

For some reason, I thought that NW's 727s in their later years had similar interiors (bins) as the early-model 757s in NW's fleet.

Granted its been about 10 years since I was last on a NW 727 so I can't remember exactly.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7524 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 8):
Quoting milesrich (Reply 7):
Didn't Northwest install MD-80 interiors in their Nines when they overhauled and updated them at the old Southern base at ATL?

Actually, the NW DC-9 interiors more closely resemble the 717, although not exactly the same interior.

When did NW start overhauling their DC-9 interiors? I was under the assumption that they started doing so before the 717 first went into production.



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 20):
When did NW start overhauling their DC-9 interiors? I was under the assumption that they started doing so before the 717 first went into production.

Yes, the mods did take place before the 717 entered service. However, they share several similarities (I think they were made by the same company). The most obvious differences are the PSUs, bin latches, and lack of a lighted handrail.

[Edited 2012-07-03 14:04:50]


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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1961 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 19):
For some reason, I thought that NW's 727s in their later years had similar interiors (bins) as the early-model 757s in NW's fleet.

Granted its been about 10 years since I was last on a NW 727 so I can't remember exactly.

I'm not sure how many, but NW had a few EA ships in its fleet. We had a couple of these EA "Spacemaker IIa" ships at DL, but most had the factory "Carry All" bins.



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4856 times:

I have just learned that the 757/737 Classic interior was actually designed by Heath Tecna, and was known as the Advanced Technology Interior (ATI). Later on, Heath Tecna came out with the ATIX bin extensions for the family, available in three versions. ATIX-1 was the first extension kit, and featured a push tab latch. ATIX-2 replaced the push tab with a more ergonomic pull handle, and ATIX-2A added a holding rail.

The original UA had the ATIX-1 on their 737 Classics. AA, UA, and CO all installed the ATIX-2 on their 752s, the latter also installing them on their 737 Classics. DL's PMDL 752 has the ATIX-2A package.

Also, C&D Interiors (now C&D Zodiac) designed the MD-80 (as well as the MD-90) interior.

[Edited 2012-07-03 15:32:09]


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User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4696 times:

Any idea as to whether DL intends on installing pivot bins in its MD-88s? What about the 717 or MD-95? I'd be much more likely to fly DL if its aircraft featured pivot bins.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 19):
For some reason, I thought that NW's 727s in their later years had similar interiors (bins) as the early-model 757s in NW's fleet.

Hey PSU, are the PSUs identified by your username 1980s, 1990s, 2000s or 2010 style PSUs? I'm especially fond of the backlit option.



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25 1337Delta764 : There is no pivot bin package for the MD-88/717.
26 CF-CPI : Actually, the early MD-80s (PSA and maybe Swissair?) had DC-9 bins similar to the Aeropostal DC-9 which 1337Delta posted in this thread. So, for a bri
27 1337Delta764 : And around 2001, AA installed bin extensions on their MD-80 fleet. Not sure who the manufacturer of the extensions were (DL's are Heath Tecna).
28 CompensateMe : Heath Tecna should create one. IMO, if DL were to install pivot bins on its MD-88, MD-90 and 717 aircraft, it'd attract so many additional passengers
29 1337Delta764 : Not sure if it would be worth the development costs for them, since most airlines are retiring those aircraft types. However, they did make a bin ext
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