Latest news and some follow ups;
-UA is starting EWR-IST this month. Welcome to Turkey and Happy Landings!
-Yet another record at IST. On June 29th, 542 landings, 555 take offs, making it the busiest 24hrs ever.
-A new transit tunnel at IST, from what I can read "international to domestic", is in place. How is it?
-Istanbul ATC to drop separation between planes from 5 miles to 3 miles. How will this affect taxi times, gates?
-TK not interested in Aer Lingus, since it can not control its majority.
-TK announced flights to IAH, but Temel Kotil says not yet since no planes, where is this 77W coming from?
-Seabird started operation with a single Twin Otter, Golden Horn at Istanbul to Alacati. Best of luck to them!
-Tailwind is the latest operator allowed to fly to Gazipasa in Alanya.
-TK receives its 4th 739ER TC-JYD and also another 321 TC-JSB, and a 738 TC-JHN.
-With the addition of Izair 319s, what is the latest number of 319s at TK, 13 or 14?
-Pegasus started flights to TLV. How is TLV-Istanbul doing these days?
-Atlasjet starts flights out of SAW and now down to single A330.
This is what comes to my mind, please continue with updates.
Thanks for sharing news, ideas, rumors, photos.
fxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7048 posts, RR: 92 Reply 1, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15244 times:
I'm using UA 904 tomorrow for work. Full load in F and back of the car too. I'm surprised.
Quoting ju068 (Reply 3): I guess it is safe to assume that there is no more interest in LOT?
The board had decided not to purchase LOT because they could not get a majority stake in the company. This was decided before the rumor that THY was interested in Aer Lingus
[Edited 2012-06-30 16:28:37]
"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
tcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 14973 times:
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter): -Yet another record at IST. On June 29th, 542 landings, 555 take offs, making it the busiest 24hrs ever.
-A new transit tunnel at IST, from what I can read "international to domestic", is in place. How is it?
I was part of that record on the 29th
Also noticed the new access point from domestic into international; next to gate 201 from which my flight departed. Unfortunately, some bad planning again, as the lack of flight info monitors (displaying all gate information) confuses pax arriving from domestic looking to make their international connection.
On a different note, Turkish Do&Co catering disappointed again. I am actually a big fan of Do&Co and still think they add real value to the TK product. However, over the last few months the catering has deteriorated in quality.
MK_INT_IST_BC_HM3_GID (AFAIK, longer routes such as LIS get HM4 which is same food, larger portions)
Assorted Turkish Appetizers (Got this for at least 60% of my short haul/mid haul flights) and Stuffed Eggplant marinated in olive oil as starters. The eggplant soaked in poor quality olive oil and gave me a heavy stomach for the rest of the day.
I have to agree with the comments in last months thread that the pasta is not that good.
In short, it seems that Turkish Do&Co has reduced portions and increased the oil content of the catering. Apologies for the long post and amateur photos.
cuban8 From Kiribati, joined Sep 2009, 210 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 14903 times:
Sunexpress is having some rough days.
After having 6 aircraft's on the ground last week due to lightning strikes, bird strikes and other technical reasons. This Sunday morning two Sunexpress B737 airplanes hit eachother (wing-tip and vertical stabalizer) while parking in to gate 19 & 20 at Stockholm Arlanda airport. Article in swedish:
By experience, those 2 parking spots in Stockholm are quite tight. Still, I believe the pilots will get the blame as usual. I guess this means I'll be flying some SunEx flights this week as well
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4114 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14795 times:
Quoting tcm (Reply 6): Apologies for the long post and amateur photos.
Hey, no worries, the longer the better. Photos are great.
TK trying to save money by reducing portions or quality? Seems like it.
Any idea if this means back to profitability at least, seems like the stock is doing lot better last month.
Quoting cuban8 (Reply 7): I'll be flying some SunEx flights this week as well
You cannot save money from food! I hate the stupid story of removing one olive from each serving and gaining million dollars. Someone has to teach them what is the opportunity cost and what you lose for each gain! I cannot calm down when it comes to food.
Where TK loses money is not the service nor crew salary. Profitability disappears for the lack of organizational structure. They should introduce again something like performance evaluation.
Warmest welcome to Seabird and wish them the best. I see these small aviation companies as little family businesses in small towns.
vincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 14555 times:
Quoting NuD38 (Reply 9): Someone has to teach them what is the opportunity cost and what you lose for each gain!
Spot on, typical US business model (not limited to airlines), and unfortunately this mentality has spread worldwide. Not to mention TK has raised the fares of Comfort Class (some segments substantially) recently. I don't mind the the increase itself (I understand they have to make profit) but please at least maintain the product standard, at this rate I might as well fly with Y to save a few hundred bucks
Northstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14394 times:
I heard rumors from pilot friends that TK will order the following on Farnborough Airshow;
- 10 + 5 Boeing 747-8
- 15 Airbus A330
as I said, these are rumors, but I also think where there is fire there is smoke
I just wanted to ask if anyone else heard the same news maybe from TK insiders?
You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4114 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14361 times:
Well....we love rumors.
I have heard the 15 x 330 also, not the 748.
Enough second hand 332s out there I think, no need for a new order.
But knowing TK, they want to get something extra out of the deal. In terms of leverage, this doesn't make sense.
Like if they go for the 748, they should get cheaper/earlier 77Ws/777F or some early 787s with it.
Or, "I would buy 15 330s if you give me a deal on the 350 or the 380"
Also in the last months "wing" said similar things about a 747/777 type new order.
Temel Kotil quoted saying they can't start IAH, no 77Ws avail.
Yey, a new order coming !!!!
-I suggest you start a NEW THREAD, we might get more info!
tcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14103 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 8): Hey, no worries, the longer the better. Photos are great.
TK trying to save money by reducing portions or quality? Seems like it.
Thanks for the encouragement TK787! I think I will order KSML on TK intra-Europe from time to time to have some variety.
Another interesting article by CAPA on TK's North American expansion. I know we have talked about this many times before, but the article mentions as MIA for the most likely candidate of 2013. I guess TK will look to lease some extra capacity (777?) if further expansion is planned as suggested in the article below.
MeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13943 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 12): Well....we love rumors.
I have heard the 15 x 330 also, not the 748.
Enough second hand 332s out there I think, no need for a new order.
But knowing TK, they want to get something extra out of the deal. In terms of leverage, this doesn't make sense.
Like if they go for the 748, they should get cheaper/earlier 77Ws/777F or some early 787s with it.
Or, "I would buy 15 330s if you give me a deal on the 350 or the 380"
Also in the last months "wing" said similar things about a 747/777 type new order.
Temel Kotil quoted saying they can't start IAH, no 77Ws avail.
Yey, a new order coming !!!!
-I suggest you start a NEW THREAD, we might get more info!
Oh god, please no more second hand or dumped planes. I am sick and tired seeing different cabin configurations on every plane.
In btw, I heard about more 777w and 748 order rumors. Guess everyone talk about his/her favorite plane
333 orders seems to not feasible now due to lack of range for most US routes. If TK has a very good deal for 748, may order and use spare 777w s for newly announced routes.
bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1727 posts, RR: 11 Reply 16, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13837 times:
TGS side of the house is killing the operations of TK. I was on TK 3 a week ago (the early morning IST-JFK flight about 95% full) and they were off loading cargo from the plane when we were supposed to board. The aircraft was at the gate for 2 hours before the boarding time. You cannot tell me that you are unable to turn a 330 around in 2:30 hrs in a hub.
Checked all the flights that day and all 3 IST-JFK flights were about 1 hour late. This is really bad if you have connections.
Of course nothing has changed in last 2 decades that I have been flying this route: no pre boarding, no boarding announcements , stampede at the boarding time..
TK is NOT the best airline in Europe, and in my opinion deserves only 3 stars .. not 4 ..
imiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13775 times:
According to another forum, Airblue of Pakistan has signed a lease agreement via ILFC for two ex-TK A340s which are due to be delivered in August. Presumably these will be frames TC-JIJ and TC-JIK. Does anyone know what the seating configs are for these aircraft?
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4114 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13753 times:
IIRC, last time I flew TC-JIK (charter) it was in full Y configuration.
Quoting MeCe (Reply 15): Oh god, please no more second hand or dumped planes. I am sick and tired seeing different cabin configurations on every plane.
The ex-9W 77Ws that left TK for TG were not that bad. SQ and EK have more different cabins than TK actually. Unless the cabin configuration is inferior to the main product; a little variety is exciting. The situation regarding the narrow-body is another story though.
Seems like handling the baggage is a worldwide problem. I used TK 002 about a week ago and we were late about 2.5 hours just because of slowness of luggege handling . I always find boarding a plane in istanbul (I am talking about US flights) easier then boarding a Ä°stanbul plane from NY . Also whatever the reason is , taking all your luggages to a agent and taking them back to check area and then lining for a passport control where only 2 or 3 agents working is a serious headache even for US citizens .I wonder how diffcult it is for others .
By the way can the pilots of 777 see the engines of their plane from where they sit ?
ankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 227 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12728 times:
According to Wikipedia Bahrain Air commences Ankara Bahrain direct service on 13 October 2012 and TK to commence Ankara Kuwait direct service on 29 October 2012.
Can anybody confirm whether the information is accurate and if so details on frequency, a/c type etc.
777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5274 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12363 times:
Do Air Blue have fifth freedom on SAW-MAN route? their schedule shows them operating some MAN flights without a stop i.e SAW being used as a tech stop only but not listed, while other MAN flights are linked to the regular SAW service which is in schedules as ISB-SAW-MAN.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22219 posts, RR: 51 Reply 24, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12029 times:
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
25 Skyeurope: @777way Yes, they are selling tickets for SAW-MAN-SAW
26 777way: Thanks Skyeurope, I wonder if this route will see the A340 plus a shift to Ataturk Airport.
27 ju068: But if they keep the stop they will be less competitive from a passenger's perspective. Maybe they will use this Airbus which operated the route to M
28 ankaraflyjet: Below you can find the unserved and underserved destinations from ESB as revealed by TAV; They are trying to identify airlines to serve these routes;
29 LAXintl: Funny, there was Air France representatives present for the opening of the new ESB terminal in 2006, and TAV representatives were virtually certain t
30 tcm: TK extends twice daily 77W service to January 2013. Another sign TK is doing good business. See: http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/10/tk-jfk-w12/ I wond
31 ju068: Qatar is seeking passenger rights from Ankara to Belgrade but it seems that the Turks are not willing to give them. Such a shame.
32 ankaraflyjet: Not surprised. ESB is a good feeder to TK and TK does not wish to see a lot of competition there. They even turned down BD to codeshare ESB LHR as TK
33 fxramper: There were a few VP's. Smisek wasn't on board. Flight has been late arriving and departing. I'm going back tomorrow for work and it looks completely
34 Northstar80: Guys, has the show been going a little dry this year or is it my feeling? Do we still expect an order from TK?
35 tcm: I guess the state of the global economy with even China slowing down brings uncertainty for airlines. According to the news story below TK is still n
36 stylo777: talking about ESB and traffic rights, I'm still in some way suprised that Atlasjet and Onurair don't try hard to enter IST-ESB market. It is completel
37 LAXintl: Funny, but the news story makes specific mention of the winning menu which included the eggplant, kofte, and a tart that scored rating of 86/100 from
38 tcm: I actually made reference to those meals on purpose after reading the article to which you have provided the link for Nope, I take my revenge on TK b
39 777way: Airblue delink SAW from MAN starting 16 September when MAN goes nonstop.[Edited 2012-07-11 08:02:23]
40 bahadir: Atlas tried it long time ago . I even rode in one of their CRJs just to support the route. The Turkish government won't let anyone touch this route..
41 Turkish350XWB: Guys, i am tired of waiting for this order.... Where is it...? So here is my wishlist: 10 77W 8 77L (for Australia and South America ops) 15 333 (343
42 LAXintl: I guess its now the world famous THY Do&Co signature dish. I suppose until the ratings go down it will stick around and be served to millions of
43 ASA: Yeah, we all are waiting as well ... I actually find your wishlist more pragmatic than the A380 and B748 lists seen here ... But some A350s or B787s
44 tcm: TK's numbers keep impressing. First half year results: passenger numbers jump 20% year-on-year to 17,7 million in the January-June period. The overall
45 Turkish350XWB: Wow, 75.2 % is quite impressive. I remember time when it was in the low 60 %. I guess till TK orders one of these aircraft and gets them delivered, t
46 ankaraflyjet: Igdır Airport in Eastern Turkey is going to be inaugurated on July 13th, 2012. AnadoluJet will commence thrice weekly direct service between Ankara a
47 tcm: Skytrax award for 'Best Airline In Europe' goes again for the second consecutive year to TK. I'm sure we have a few people that would disagree with th
48 LAXintl: And THY again wins the Skytrax award as Best European Airline for 2012 !
49 tcm: I'll get myself voted best passenger of the year by Skytrax
50 nitepilot79: There is talk of a new airport to be built between Tarsus and Mersin. A big newspaper dedi 'ki Adana Sakirpasa Havalimani (ADA) would remain open zate
51 leftyboarder: Already under construction I think. Here's a link with a low-res visual: http://www.haberfx.net/cukurova-havalimani-2014te-hazir-haberi-432438/
52 ThereandBack: Here are some high quality renders of the new Adana - Mersin airport http://www.emrearolat.com/2011/01/07/cukurova-regional-airport/ They also want to
53 tcm: Thanks for posting! Some creative airport architecture by Emre Arolat. Very interesting... For those guys who would like to dig deeper in this years
54 peet7g: Hi Turkish experts, I would like to have a question...when making a booking for a flight in J class to HKG, on my return trip (6th Aug.) I can only ch
55 tcm: Despite some skepticism, the Turkish government has given high priority for the new Istanbul mega-hub and more details are emerging. The next few mont
56 Turkish350XWB: Yes. It is telling that the new airport will have 6 runways, 4 of them parallel and 2 are perpendicular to the other 4. But the terminal situation is
57 TK787: Have I been that quiet?? You are correct, very busy and keeps going. I have to get up 4:15am to go work again tomorrow morning. Sleep and work.... bu
58 bahadir: The new istanbul airport will be a nightmare for the city .. The only green area of the town is being destroyed.. This area is full of forestry and su
59 Turkish350XWB: It makes me very sad that this is the truth... Unfortunately, Turkey is a country where people pay more attention on the paint than on the fundament.
60 TK739ER: I'll believe that only when I see those planes painted in TK's livery. Sad but true...
63 MeCe: Yes Tk send first class 777 to home long time ago. There is no cabin config like 1-2-1 now, sorry for that mess... Oh my god you must be an "istemezÃ
64 LAXintl: For those maybe not familiar with the Istanbul region, and would like to visualize the location of the proposed third airport, I ran across this pictu
65 lightsaber: It is a HUGE economic growth opportunity. If the opportunity isn't taken now, then there might not ever again be such an opportunity to grow. If the
66 Turkish350XWB: I am sure that there are other ways to build this airport. Growth is not everything. Everywhere a mega airport can be built, but in the world there i
67 bahadir: I am not "istemezukcu" .. I am far from it.. I am all favor of more air transportation , I am a freaking pilot after all, not just a traveler.. But I
68 LAXintl: Yeah but ESB hardly has the local O&D demand for a mega airport. Financially successful hubs still have a high percentage of local demand. For fu
69 TurkishWings: I just flew ADA-IST on TK last night. The airport was literally in chaos. 1 TK, 1 Onur, 1 Sunexpress and 1 Pegasus leaving at similar times and there
70 tcm: 20 years ago Istanbul was a mess with mountains of rubbish in the streets, air full of coal smoke, water cuts and a heaven for illegal (gecekondu) co
71 Turkish350XWB: Ahmmm, what?? As soon as the airport will be built there, roads will come with it. And then residential areas will follow, new suburbs etc. It is the
73 Turkish350XWB: You mean the 3rd bridge together with connecting roads, the 3rd airport there and the settlement of the north? The idea itself is so wrong (in my opi
74 tcm: I fully respect your opinion. Even more so when politics do not play a role in our discussions. I on the other hand, see a great opportunity in makin
75 lightsaber: By all means select another viable site. The 'window of opportunity' won't close instantly. I'm not against a reasonable (say 9 month delay to consid
76 ju068: If the government is considering this area for a new airport it only goes to prove how little they actually care if the area is green or not. That sai
77 LAXintl: One needs to remember the location selection of the proposed airport did not come out of nowhere. For almost 2-years eyes were on Silivri on the Marma
78 bgm: Turkish Airlines started flights to Edinburgh/EDI today: http://www.flightradar24.com/THY1343 Noticed they are sending TC-JHL on the inaugural flight,
79 umit: I flew Dalaman -Istanbul by Atlas yesterday . Even though fly was late about an hour and a half it was a nice experience to fly with them (they had to
80 Turkish350XWB: aha. Yes yes, this is what i wanted to say, hehe. Silivri as LAXintl stated in his map. This airport is being planned for at least (!) five years now
81 lightsaber: I've heard shorter timelines. It will be tougher for TK once other airports expand. The one constant, at least, is that the European airports seem to
82 TK787: My concerns are as follows on the new airport; Most of this is going to sound harsh, but reality I think; -We all know how things work and don't work
83 LAXintl: Skytrax's updated their website with the full placement list of carriers. Besides winning in 3 categories, THY managed the following: Airline of the Y
84 TurkishWings: Same thing happened to me too.. I flew IST-ADA-IST last weekend and both my flights departed and arrived early... A lot of TK flights have been very
85 umit: Yes I did actually .. So if it could have been done why they had not done it for years ? Do you think air controllers quality / ability / willingness
86 stylo777: in fact, the reduced seperation and the more efficient usage of both parallel runways helped a lot in the past weeks to reduce the amount of time spen
87 TK787: I found this old picture of IST, used to be called "Yesil"koy, I guess you get the point;
88 Turkish350XWB: Wow, such a nice and interesting picture. Thanks !
89 fxramper: UA needs to upgrade the 904/905 to IST. A busted up 763 leaves late and broke down in IST. A two class 764 is a short term solution. I know UA crews d
90 ASA: That's a priceless photo, awesome ... thanks, TK787!! Yes, you made the point. And in all likelihood - wherever the future airport is - development w
91 LAXintl: Thanks for that picture TK787. For those interested in Yesilkoy history, the airfield opened in 1912 at the behest of the Minister of War. The land w
92 LAXintl: I don't think anyone of these cities has seen even close the growth in population Istanbul has. Here are the census figured for Istanbul. 1940 - 793,
93 leftyboarder: Both. Of course Turkey is years - even decades - behind in regulations of this kind, but you have to understand that Turkey's population growth and i
94 NuD38: It is unacceptable to talk about Yesilkoy history without mentioning Nuri Demirag. He did build the first fully Turkish licensed airplanes. The facto
95 NuD38: Sorry, Erdal Inonu is the third person from the right side. From left to right: Galip Demirag (Nuri Demirag's son), Omer Ä°nonu, Nuri Demirag, Erdal I
96 TK787: Thanks for all the great info and the photos.
97 fxramper: I disagree. Those that want to fawn over pictures of TK flights they've never take are always welcome on this forum. I've flown the UA flight more th
98 LAXintl: The UA flight has only operated for 2 weeks. I'm glad you are so optimistic, however from someone that has been involved behind the scenes, the reven
99 TK1244: Wasn't it the Turkish government who blocked his expansion and later closed his aircraft manufacturing plants?
100 NuD38: That is true. First, Turk Hava Kurumu cancelled orders. Then, his private property was condemned including test runways in Besiktas, factory in Besik
101 MeCe: I have heard more rumors about 748i orders. It shaped 11, 8 pax and 3 freighter. Hope it is true
102 umit: would look nice in TK logo .. If the order is 8 passanger plane and assuming that 340s will leave the fleet in next few years ,it is more likely to b
103 bahadir: Now I get your user name LAXIntl, awesome pictures .. I love them..
104 MeCe: May be not that far Bytheway it is another rumor...
105 LIPZ: TK is increasing VCE from 14 to 17xw, FCO from 18xw to 21xw eff from W12/13
106 leftyboarder: IST-FIH begins on TK Aug 27, initially 4 weekly. Source : http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-tr...ler/13094/yeni-ucuslarimiz-kinsasa
107 ASA: lefty ... first of all, thanks for taking the time to do the detailed point-by-point reply. and for the great [convincing ] response too! true - but t
108 ThereandBack: Probably because this http://www.batisehir.com/ and other housing projects will fill that area. Maybe they will only built that one project there but
109 cuban8: I very much think that an expansion of IST is the best solution for Istanbul's airport problem. Not only is the location better than the other options
110 TK773ER: I came across this on Wikipedia ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Airlines If you have a look it says TK has on order 23 77W ,15 A333 and 5A332 ?
111 tkfan: Guess its a big mistake. I am betting 11 748i like mentioned before and additional 10 A333
112 Turkish350XWB: Huh, that's very close to my wishlist: 18 777 (18 77W + 8 77L) 15 333 10 332 Somebody seems to take very serious (too serious) what i am saying, hehe
113 Turkish350XWB: And TLV gets increased from 25w to 30w sept 1st to 32w oct 1st. This is surprising...
114 leftyboarder: I am greedy, wishing for 14 748, 12 77W and 11 333
115 leftyboarder: Yet more destinations from TK: Esfahan Kermanshah Mombasa Luxembourg Aden Luanda.... Source: http://www.kap.gov.tr/yay/Bildirim/Bildirim.aspx?id=22442
116 turkishraf: I asked TK whether they would consider the 748 due to it's cargo carrying capacity. They said the 773 was good enough. I think TK are realising the li
117 TK787: more more..... also Kilimanjaro. Even though these will be tag ons, is there really a need to fly to all; Nairobi, Kilimanjaro and Mombasa, which are
118 tcm: The more the better; as long as they can fill the a/c and handle the traffic at IST. BTW, a 300 km drive usually feels like a 1000 km journey on most
119 TK787: Rumor: Delta To Suspend IST Operations? (by firiko Jul 22 2012 in Civil Aviation) We all knew this might be coming. Off to JFK for TK2 now, flying Y+,
120 vincewy: I see that TK is removing JFK-IST 002 and IST-JFK 011 flights off the schedule starting Nov 2012 and I hope they keep 777 year round for TK 012. This
121 turkishraf: Kilimanjaro and Mombasa are very clever. KIA opens up the tanzania safari circuit and breaks the KLM hegemony. Qr are coming in there too. MOmbasa is
122 TK787: On TK2, Comfort class is less than 20%full. Preboarding/boarding problems again. 4pm boarding but no announcement till 4:30pm. People lined up anyways
124 TK787: Well in Istanbul ,working already. After we took off, everything was very predictable. FA's rushing through the service, handing out a bottle of water
125 LAXintl: So its true. Delta makes IST seasonal. No service between Nov 17 and March 30th.
126 turkishraf: What is it with the hot cabin? The a333 to Istanbul was hot. The 739 to Dar was hot. The 738 to Istanbul was hot. Is this a money making procedure? I
127 TK787: Wow, it could be the end of an era. DL out of IST. Like at said on the other thread, we can see TK getting serious and going 3 x daily year around, o
128 tcm: Or you can ask one of the crew to adjust the cabin tempreture; this usually works, if it doesn't, I remind them that the hot cabin makes me thirsty a
129 LAXintl: I hear Turkish Airlines sales is matching Delta SkyMiles status. If one is a DL gold or above TK will give Elite (Star Gold) status in return.
130 TK787: That is a very smart move by TK. Similarly I think even more now that TK will put more pressure on UA by going up to 3x daily JFK year round.
131 ASA: Last October, the same happened to me on JFK-IST. I waited and waited ... then talked to an FA ... then waited again, the temperature didn't get bett
132 tcm: They are matching any elite status, even from *A partners beside BD. So does EY at the moment. Frequent Flyer status matches have gone crazy lately.
133 turkishraf: With reference to the heat, I was roasted on a 739 to DAR. I asked the FA to turn it down twice, then I asked the chef de cabin to turn it down. She s
134 gokmengs: End of an Era regarding DL going seasonal. I am 125K short of million miles. I have a big decision to make By the way everytime I fly TK its boiling.
135 Turkish350XWB: Sharm el Sheikh SSH announced by TK starting 9th of oct TK 700 2467 IST 02:00 SSH arrival times not readable due to top quality journalism TK 701 2467
136 tcm: Just in time for my diving trip to Sharm in October I will pass on MS and CAI in favor of TK despite the dreadful hours.
137 HB-IWC: Here is the full schedule: TK 700 IST SSH 0200 0330 (2467) TK 701 SSH IST 0545 0925 (2467) Most flights loaded with 738, some with 319.
138 leftyboarder: Horrible timings but I guess divers are cool with that as long as it lands by the Red Sea So now we have the schedules for Houston, Kinshasa, Gandja
139 stylo777: Does anybody have an inside view of Atlasjet? I'm wondering how they are doing this year? Does it work for them to almost only sell their capacities o
140 ju068: The arrival into IST makes sense due to connections but why does it depart so late out of Istanbul? When is the last wave of arrival?
141 cuban8: I don't have that much inside information, but Atlasjet has clearly a tough year. It started with cutting the cabin crew salary and getting rid of th
142 ju068: A friend of mine flies them regularly from Ercan to Istanbul and she said that they are the best Turkish airline on the market. Somehow I doubt that
143 TK1244: Don't know for sure if it was Atlasjet, but IIRC they did not get permission to fly to Serbia this year. They wanted to lease out one plane to JAT an
144 ju068: No, that was Sky Airlines which didn't get the license to fly because of a stupid agreement that only two airlines are allowed to operate between Ser
145 HB-IWC: There is a late evening arrivals bank around 10.30 pm for all main European destinations, that connects to the 00.30 - 01.30 longhaul departure bank.
146 ju068: Thanks for that. But from 22:30 to 02:00 there is 03:30 connecting time late at night, they are going to be butchered by Egyptair which flies into SS
147 HB-IWC: While the schedule may not be optimal, both the outbound and the inbound sectors offer all the connectivity necessary. The overnight flight also help
148 ju068: I do understand that however if we look at the other two carriers aiming at attracting connecting passengers to/from SSH, Turkish Airlines is at a lo
149 HB-IWC: I hear you, but the IST hub of TK blow both RJ at AMM and MS at CAI out of the water. TK simply has a much wider network to rely on to fill this flig
150 ju068: That is true, plus both Egypt and Jordan were part of the Arab Spring and got bad publicity through media. I really hope that Istanbul gets a new air
151 TK1244: Ahh yes I remember it again. Sky would wet-lease a 737-900ER to Aviogenex for the flights. Sorry my bad!
152 777way: Was Delta's IST service a former Pan Am route or DL own from the start?
153 ju068: Pegasus will launch four weekly flights from Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen to Belgrade as of this October. There is nothing on their site but Belgrade airpor
154 ankaraflyjet: Yes it was a former PAN AM operation. It was operating one stop service through a European stopover, I guess it was IST ZRH JFK at the time PA went b
155 turkishsky: It was a 2 stop flight to JFK. PA flew IST-GVA-ZRH-IST. I remember a huge bilboard on top of a building in Zincirlikuyu, istanbul reading 'her gun Is
156 LAXintl: Pan Am had many routing variations to Turkey. For long period since the 1960s it was via Rome. More recently towards the end it was both via Zurich, Z
157 leftyboarder: I just received an e-mail from a travel agent about a promo fare of 449€ to Maldives by TK starting Nov 24th. Do they know something we don't?
158 turkishsky: Here is the schedule IST-MLE daily ex mon, fri. 20.25-07.10
159 HB-IWC: TK0730 IST MLE 2025 0710+1 TK0731 MLE IST 0900 1430 Flights operate 5 weekly with A332 starting Nov 24.
160 leftyboarder: Thanks guys so one more down... TK in Maldives, still sounds weird!
161 777way: Perhaps Yangon next? also if Urumqi is not part of bilateral with China how come CZ are flying IST from there?
162 emrecan: LX served with an A333 to IST today. Is it for a period of time or just for a single flight? Any guess..
163 OA260: Just a rare sub . Maybe due to loads or another aircraft gone Tech . Has happened to ATH and IST in the past but not very frequently. Still nice upgr
164 thenoflyzone: Are you saying that currenty, Istanbul Approach puts 5 miles between arrivals? Seems hard to believe that they achieve 500+landers a day with a 5 mil
165 HB-IWC: I wonder why TK is not combining MLE with CMB. Maybe something for the future?
166 TurkishWings: Great news but how are they exactly planning to fill those huge planes 5 times a week? I think it's very ambitious... Opening an almost purely leisur
167 bahadir: TK787, looks like it's THY as usual.. - Unrully boarding - Hot cabins - No gasper fans on 777s and 330s. I am really sad about the DL pull down on the
168 mickster: Interesting ... I have been planning a holiday to the Maldives in October/November and now that ... My initial intention was to fly on some of the mi
169 tcm: Angled flat seat (2x2x2) and IFE. See: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3230/3073214160_1b32a0d821_z.jpg
170 TK748: Definetly good idea, adding one tag for CMB. A332 is a huge plane to fill.
171 OA260: They have had that interior a while now I flew it in 2008 : Türk Hava Yollari / TK J Class A330 Vid+Pic Report (by OA260 May 7 2008 in Trip Reports)
172 tcm: Any Wingo here? I hope this Ad is aimed at kids, what a contrast to EK's "Hello Tomorrow"... see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qByn3w2Q9nE&featu
173 TK787: Please continue here; Turkish Aviation August 2012 (by TK787 Aug 1 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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