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1979 PIA Advertisement  
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9442 times:



No explanation necessary.

I realize that this probably didn't raise eyebrows when it was published, but in hindsight it seems incredibly creepy and ironic.

Please don't turn this thread political  

[Edited 2012-07-01 09:30:59]


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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9194 times:

Wow (shiver). Can't help but wonder if that spawned any "bright" ideas. Unreal.

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User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8847 times:

I came across that ad a few months ago....

I actually had to google it and see it if was real since it seemed so absolutely unbelievable.


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25347 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8805 times:

There have been previous threads on this. One here.
PIA WTC/NYC Ad (by Delta767-400 Apr 9 2008 in Civil Aviation)

More on the history of that ad, and a photo of the ad as it appeared in a French magazine, Le Point. PIA then had 5th freedom service ORY-JFK about twice a week.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/photos/pia.asp


User currently offlineMikeCT From United States of America, joined May 2008, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8779 times:

That image is haunting. The dark black and white adds to noir of the whole thing.

User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8115 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8769 times:

I suppose it's a bit creepy but the WTC was the symbol of New York for the duration of their lives, and if anything even more so in the 70s cos that was the decade they were built. So it hardly rates as a coincidence that PIA should have put 2 and 2 together and wound up with this.

I remember BA had an ad in the 80s which showed Manhattan (the island) flying over the top of London like a massive spaceship ("We bring New York to you" or similar), and the Twin Towers were featured heavily in the airborne version of NY. Which reminds me of the Get Your War On comic strip, where two cartoon office workers are talking, and one says, What would it have taken to get Pres Bush to put down that book The Pet Goat on 9/11 [Bush kept reading kids book The Pet Goat for seven minutes in a classroom after he received the news re 9/11 attacks]? And the other cartoon character replies, Maybe if someone had flown the World Trade Center into the Pentagon? But was that satirical attack on Bush inspired by BA's ad?



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25347 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8701 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5):
I remember BA had an ad in the 80s which showed Manhattan (the island) flying over the top of London like a massive spaceship ("We bring New York to you" or similar), and the Twin Towers were featured heavily in the airborne version of NY.



This one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfdTEJUcW98


User currently offlineMikeCT From United States of America, joined May 2008, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8699 times:

I don't think anyone thinks anything was inspired by the ad, but it really is kind of eerie in hindsight.

User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8607 times:

Thats very freaky!
Not just the concept but the fact thats its PIA, an airline from a country with strong Al Qaeda links!



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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7865 times:

Came across this ad a while back as well. Very chilling..

Reminds me of an AA ad where a jet appears to "flies toward" the Twin Towers.

This one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fayz_MOTFns



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7791 times:

These were innocent times.



I don't think there's anything creepy there at all, you can't realistically connect a Terrorist act that occurred 31 years later with an advertisement in 1969, many, many years before Al Qaeda existed.



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Thread starter):
1979 PIA Advertisement

In fact the very year the US started financially supporting the Mujahideen, which would later lead to Taliban rule and make 9/11 possible.. so the picture is quite symbolic, it's indeed a foreshadowing.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 11):
In fact the very year the US started financially supporting the Mujahideen, which would later lead to Taliban rule and make 9/11 possible.. so the picture is quite symbolic, it's indeed a foreshadowing.

I think you need to check your dates.. The soviets invaded Afghanistan in '79, Mujahideen support didn't start until later IIRC.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3272 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):

More on the history of that ad, and a photo of the ad as it appeared in a French magazine, Le Point. PIA then had 5th freedom service ORY-JFK about twice a week

PIA had a myriad of European stop points, IIRC. When I first started booking travel in thee early 80's, PIA almost always had the lowest fares one-way or round-trip from New York to Europe, I think AI did the same thing for a long time. PIA back then was unreliable, late constantly, with a severe lack of service on packed 742's on their routes to N America. The few passengers I ever booked with them were not repeat customers for PK.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 13):
PIA back then was unreliable, late constantly, with a severe lack of service on packed 742's on their routes to N America. The few passengers I ever booked with them were not repeat customers for PK.

Well, as they say, "Great people to fly with"  



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 12):

I think you need to check your dates.. The soviets invaded Afghanistan in '79, Mujahideen support didn't start until later IIRC.

No, it's quite correct. Started in 1979.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 15):
No, it's quite correct. Started in 1979.

Then I'm the one who needs to check my dates  



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 16):

Then I'm the one who needs to check my dates  

Well to be fair they didn't lose any time..  



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User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2597 times:

I don't think it's creepy at all. Is it so unusual for an ad to show an airplane with some iconic symbol of a city or country? I think it's some sort of emotional mistake to give it special significance as creepy, after the events many years since then.

User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 18):
I don't think it's creepy at all. Is it so unusual for an ad to show an airplane with some iconic symbol of a city or country? I think it's some sort of emotional mistake to give it special significance as creepy, after the events many years since then.

I agree. Highly likely that the ad was conceived by a Western ad agency too.


User currently offlinemjabbasi From Pakistan, joined Nov 2007, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

I'm surprised that this old advertisement has suddenly decided to surface just now, but then again its not surprising seeing where this thread originated from and the reason behind it. Fairly typical actually.

[Edited 2012-07-04 05:30:03]

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Quoting mjabbasi (Reply 20):
I'm surprised that this old advertisement has suddenly decided to surface just now

It didn't surface just now. It surfaced in 2008. I just found it recently.

Quoting mjabbasi (Reply 20):
but then again its not surprising seeing where this thread originated from and the reason behind it. Fairly typical actually.

Pardon?



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User currently offlinemjabbasi From Pakistan, joined Nov 2007, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Take it from me, I rarely fly PIA myself if I can help it. We all know that the airline is in the doldrums and it would take a village to turn that airline around into what it once was but judging from this and other threads involving PIA, you say no political discussions should ensue but these opportunities to make veiled criticisms and swipes towards PIA are still fairly obvious which as I said is not surprising seeing where it comes from. Sure AI, KF, 9W, IGO, SJ are much better airlines, the whole Indian aviation industry is way ahead (although AI and KF were/are pretty much facing a brick wall) but these cracks, winks and jibes are getting pretty stale now. I see it in abundance on Indian aviation forums. Civil/commercial aviation should not distinguish or involve race, religion or politics, it unites people and brings them together and it should remain that way.

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

Quoting mjabbasi (Reply 22):
Civil/commercial aviation should not distinguish or involve race, religion or politics, it unites people and brings them together and it should remain that way.

I agree 100%.

Quoting mjabbasi (Reply 22):
judging from this and other threads involving PIA, you say no political discussions should ensue but these opportunities to make veiled criticisms and swipes towards PIA are still fairly obvious which as I said is not surprising seeing where it comes from.

By "you," do you mean me? I can only think of 1 other post I've ever made on A.net which might be construed as a veiled criticism/swipe at PK (and it wasn't intended that way). I have no motivation to waste my time making criticisms or swipes at Pakistan's aviation industry.

I just ran across this ad, found it interesting, and posted it. There's no need to make a political issue about it.

I said so clearly in the first post:

Quoting aeroblogger (Thread starter):
Please don't turn this thread political  



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User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 18):
I don't think it's creepy at all. Is it so unusual for an ad to show an airplane with some iconic symbol of a city or country? I think it's some sort of emotional mistake to give it special significance as creepy, after the events many years since then.

The ad itself isn't creepy but what is incredibly errie/creepy is seeing the ad now and knowing what happened in 2001. It's almost like a preminition



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