Australia has been badly served from France since the demise of UTA in 1992. Qantas have had a few attempts but in recent decades it was on-again, off-again, and as a tag-on to Frankfurt, so a bit of a pain for such a long-haul flight, SYD-SIN-FRA and then sit around just to fly another forty minutes to Paris. And it was only a few days a week. Not really a serious attempt.
Historically, there was also some antipathy between the two cultures, partly because of French nuclear testing in the South Pacific (it was Australia's entirely reasonable position that the French should test nukes in their own backyard eg in France, not someone else's). Also, you can imagine traditional ideas of masculinity differed somewhat - one sipped wine and would hang out in Speedos and a Mickey Mouse t-shirt, the other would drink beer and fight. Now, I would say, both groups have chilled out a lot. Good wine and good food have arrived in Australia at last, and French men are a lot less into handbags and weird facial hair.
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Senchingo From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4794 times:
Quoting mikey72 (Reply 8): At a time soon to be reached regardless of whether they are actually required or not.
HB-IWC posted (and still posts) some really interesting material regarding EK's strategy, routes, banks etc (you may want to read Emirates At DXB - Ultimate Operational Analysis (by HB-IWC Sep 27 2010 in Civil Aviation)).I feel pretty safe to say: EK does nothing just to impress. They really do have the passengers, the cargo and the usage to utilize their flights. It's a miracle to me how they can do it (as DXB is not really THE centre of the world for connections), but they do. I read somewhere (don't remember where though) their strategy is to test routes with the smalles metal available (A330), if successfull upgrade to A343. Then A343&B777. Then A346&B777. Then A380&B777. Then A380xX as needed.
Guess it's all about "we don't give a sh** if O/D traffic is low, we just go for the connexs" and beating competition by offering one great product, state of the art a/c, capacity and reliability.
Often i can recall myself swearing at EK for "destroying the market", but now my opinion changed to: May the best win. If EK is the best to even steal traffic from EU/USA/Asia - they shall win.
Back to topic: Double daily A380 plus 5xW 77W is just amazing.... Can't even imagine how CDG can produce that much traffic to/via DXB to grant such flights
mikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4362 times:
Quoting Senchingo (Reply 17): )).I feel pretty safe to say: EK does nothing just to impress.
Well that's a departure from the way their city base is run.........."Dubai is the parable of what money makes when it has no purpose but its own multiplication and grandeur"
Quoting Senchingo (Reply 17): Guess it's all about "we don't give a sh** if O/D traffic is low, we just go for the connexs"
That works for me good luck to them.
Quoting Senchingo (Reply 17): and beating competition by offering one great product, state of the art a/c, capacity and reliability.
They actually don't though do they....the service isn't 'stellar' (by comparison to their peers in the area) and where poaching European O&D is concerned their service is not non-stop. As someone else said....business travellers like frequency but they like non-stop even more.
EK's 'specialities' if you like are....
- The world's non-hub regional airports where I think they will be maxing out soon. After all they are regional airprts for a reason.
- Civil aviation in India is a sitting duck so in countries like this they will score highly but I cannot see India 'not ever' getting its act together on this front.
The big major airports of the world are geographically located in such a way that their airlines will always have one advantage on the routes that matter - non-stop. (ever more so with the range ability of new generations of aircraft)
On several of those EK are not and never will be even a consideration.
Flying is like sex - I've never had all I wanted but occasionally I've had all I can stand.
It was cancelled in may about 6-8 times, not too sure of the reason but the morning flight is very popular and in a little over 4 weeks it reverts from an A330 to a 77W, leving MAN with 2x daily 77W and 1 daily A380. Whether the cancellations had anything to do with aircraft shortage etc I don't know, there didn't seem to be a pattern to the cancelled flights (I.e it wasn't done when the loads seemed lower etc)
The evening flight has been rumoured for an A380 upgrade for a long while now, as it's a very strong performing flight. Indeed it went through a spell around Feb/Mar/Apr where it came in full, and I'm talking completely full almost every day for weeks. EK has said the A380 is a big pulling tool at MAN.
Now QR has dropped from double daily to 10x weekly ex MAN, I'm sure there is even more scope for EK to expand. time will tell though.
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AirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3973 times:
Quoting Senchingo (Reply 17): Back to topic: Double daily A380 plus 5xW 77W is just amazing.... Can't even imagine how CDG can produce that much traffic to/via DXB to grant such flights
Plus 3 daily QR A340-600, 2 daily EY, daily GF and daily Oman Air.
And in 2011, CDG handled 60,970,550 passengers, world's 6th busiest airport and Europe's 2nd busiest airport after LHR, in passengers served.
So there is a traffic to/from CDG for airlines, not only AF!
And about Australia, there are 75,000 French citizens living in Australia (including dual citizenship French-Australian) mainly in Sydney and Melbourne, but only 18,000 French expat, plus around 18,500 "work-vacations" visa program.
Senchingo From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3626 times:
Quoting mikey72 (Reply 18): - The world's non-hub regional airports where I think they will be maxing out soon. After all they are regional airprts for a reason.
DWC/OMDW is open since 2010, already having the first runway and basic facilities. The final plans for "Dubai World Central" until 2025 are 140 square KILOMETERS of size, living and working for more than 800000 people, 5x4500m runways, 160 Mio. Passengers a year, replacing DXB as main airport soon, Emirates repositioning the A380 fleet completely there.
I guess we can in no way talk about "regional" airports which will be stuck in their form forever. These are more than huge projects, proving to work as seen with DXB/EK.
Quoting mikey72 (Reply 18): They actually don't though do they....the service isn't 'stellar' (by comparison to their peers in the area)
Hm... Please don't get me wrong, i'm not working for EK nor am i their biggest fan. I'm just really convinced that their overall status is impressive. I don't know what you mean by "stellar" and "their peers in the area", but my vote goes to EK when comparing to airlines near them like QR, EY and WY.
Quoting mikey72 (Reply 18): The big major airports of the world are geographically located in such a way that their airlines will always have one advantage on the routes that matter - non-stop. (ever more so with the range ability of new generations of aircraft)
Of course that is or may be correct. Nevertheless i guess non-business travellers have a first look at price before direct flight.
Speaking as a European, there are several choices to travel from the EU to i.e. Asia. There are airports located and designed in perfect conditions as a hub (SIN, HKG, BKK, PEK, BOM, DEL, NRT) but still a huge amount of travellers seems to prefer travelling via DXB. Plus the loadfactors seem to prove that with EK utilizing their widebodies with like what... 80-90%?
I can just take my home airport, MUC, as an example:
We have daily SQ77W SIN, daily TG744 BKK, daily LH346 NRT, daily NH77W NRT, daily WYA330 MCT, daily EYA330 AUH, daily LHA346 DXB.
Still EK manages to effectively fill their flights on a daily B77W plus daily A380.
But i'm getting of topic here, sorry for that. As stated, i couldn't believe a 2xdaily A380 plus 5xW B777 could be profitable on CDG-DXB, but as proven by AirGabon ("Plus 3 daily QR A340-600, 2 daily EY, daily GF and daily Oman Air") it seems to be legit.
Now that i recall my post above there really is a significant traffic between the EU and Arabian countries.
Even though i more and more support the "may the best win" spirit, i'm quite of afraid that local flag carriers and competitors will disappear soon...
......will this impact any on EK's ops ex the UK in the long run ?
A little. The new-DOH airport will have more of an impact as the current facilities have forced QR into a hubbing strategy that isn't fully competitive with EK. This will help QR feed DOH from France and carry passengers to Australia. The question is, with QF fly to DOH?
But if QR does join OW (instead of *A), it will help QF tremendously with European feed. But it will break the QF/BA joint venture. There is more discussion here: QR To Join An Alliance Within Next 12 Months (by LX138 Jul 4 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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: All true which is why after one member said.... I said... Your point about the price sensiive passenger is correct but until the 'others' start deser
: Catastrophic for a.nutters Anyway, reading that EK will start Adelaide, Lyon and Warsaw plus upgrading existing legs with to A388 to NRT,AMS,MEL AKL,