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B6 Announces JFK-CTG  
User currently offlinewerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 576 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8330 times:

Who can guess what city it is?  

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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8290 times:

I think it was already announced

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jetblu...rtagena-second-city-140900528.html

Cartagena, Columbia



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8199 times:

Cartagena, Colombia Spelled with an o instead of u.


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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7846 times:
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Hmmm, I have now lost my hopes for GUA getting direct service to JFK.


avi8
User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7838 times:

So I trust they have sent out a bluememo to all their bluecrew about this new bluecity?


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User currently offlinewerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7647 times:

Quoting jetblast (Reply 4):
So I trust they have sent out a bluememo to all their bluecrew about this new bluecity?

Absobluetely! We got it this morning.  


User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7436 times:

LMAO, nobody even new that was announced today at work. Not surprising for JFK ground.


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7384 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 3):
Hmmm, I have now lost my hopes for GUA getting direct service to JFK.

2 more cities to go for this round.....but I agree...hopes looking pretty thin if we are assume that the chatter about some Caribbean (ANU?) stuff also being in there.....



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User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7336 times:

KDAB I hope is one of them.

User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7306 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):
2 more cities to go for this round.....but I agree...hopes looking pretty thin if we are assume that the chatter about some Caribbean (ANU?) stuff also being in there.....

Maybe MOB after today's Airbus announcement?  


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7088 times:

Is the service going to be from JFK?

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7088 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 9):
Maybe MOB after today's Airbus announcement?  

3 international (incl CTG) are to be announced....no idea on the domestic front.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17513 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7070 times:

You might want to change the title of this to "B6 announces CTGJFK" or something so that more people chime in!


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6962 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
..no idea on the domestic front.

Would be nice to see a couple new domestic cities too...



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6914 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 9):
Maybe MOB after today's Airbus announcement?

One of our aircraft was supposedly at MOB today, N796JB. Can't find it on Flightaware though   



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User currently offlinegift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6889 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 13):
Would be nice to see a couple new domestic cities too...

Rumor mill here, is that B6 is coming before the year is out. RIAC has been redoing the old NW ticket counter/break area, and baggage office, I believe they are still working on them. Rumor has it they will operate out of the old AA gate, using the old NW counter/baggage office.

-Tony@PVD



Top 3 airports: PVD 26.0%(115 flights), PHL 15.6%(69 flights), PHX 12.0%(53 flights)
User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 14):
One of our aircraft was supposedly at MOB today, N796JB. Can't find it on Flightaware though

That's because it was at BFM, not MOB   B6 9501 from MCO.


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6808 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 16):
That's because it was at BFM, not MOB B6 9501 from MCO.

Aaaaaaaaaaargh!! I nominate myself for the Carlos Mencia De Dee Deee award LOL! Thanks for the clarification on that, wooooops!



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6805 times:

Quoting gift4tbone (Reply 15):
Rumor mill here, is that B6 is coming before the year is out. RIAC has been redoing the old NW ticket counter/break area, and baggage office, I believe they are still working on them. Rumor has it they will operate out of the old AA gate, using the old NW counter/baggage office.

Isnt cape air and air canada in the old NW space right now? AA and the old UA counters are both vacant and in a better location. Barger keeps saying they are coming, and the time is approaching for winter flying announcements, so hopefully we'll hear something soon!



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6742 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 17):
Aaaaaaaaaaargh!! I nominate myself for the Carlos Mencia De Dee Deee award LOL! Thanks for the clarification on that, wooooops!

Eh, scheduled traffic I think goes into MOB. BFM is where the cargo and maintenance is done I think. Isn't there a paint shop there? Someone else can probably clarify.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6729 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 19):
Eh, scheduled traffic I think goes into MOB. BFM is where the cargo and maintenance is done I think. Isn't there a paint shop there? Someone else can probably clarify.

BFM has the air cargo, maintenance and I think a paint shop. Last time I was there was when we were doing a site plan/layout for the proposed A330 Tanker production facility. At the time they were doing the passenger to freighter cargo mod's on 757s.



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User currently offlinegift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6680 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 18):
Isnt cape air and air canada in the old NW space right now?

Nope they are both handled by UA, at the new UA(old CO) counter. If you look quickly, the way the signs are, I can see how it might appear that way. But the NW counter is still vacant, infact the airport appears half empty, will all the vacant counter space.

-Tony@PVD



Top 3 airports: PVD 26.0%(115 flights), PHL 15.6%(69 flights), PHX 12.0%(53 flights)
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Its an interesting new route for jetBlue. I can only hope that it does well and the airline ventures into more colombian cities, and certainly Medellin, which they have mentioned before.
This new route to CTG will be very much O&D given the proposed schedule, with departure at 8 am from JFK and arrival back at 7 pm or so.
CTG is a niche destination, and I hope it becomes an increasingly popular one for New Yorkers to go, but whether it will achieve a critical mass soon enough will have to be seen. There will also be some ethnic traffic, but not anywhere near as much as Medellin or Cali, for instance. Nor the business traffic that these could attract.


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 22):
CTG is a niche destination, and I hope it becomes an increasingly popular one for New Yorkers to go, but whether it will achieve a critical mass soon enough will have to be seen.

I'm guessing that's why it's only 3X weekly. Based on the pictures that I have seen so far, I would love to visit this city for a vacation!



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 22):
CTG is a niche destination, and I hope it becomes an increasingly popular one for New Yorkers to go, but whether it will achieve a critical mass soon enough will have to be seen.

Indeed, but I'm confident B6 will know how to make it work. It is already a very much talked-about place in the US and europe.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 22):
There will also be some ethnic traffic, but not anywhere near as much as Medellin or Cali, for instance.

Of course, CTG (1.1m people) is a much smaller metro area than MDE (3.4m) or CLO (2.8m) with a smaller emigration rate, but this route is certainly not aimed at attracting that market.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 22):
Nor the business traffic that these could attract.

First time I hear there is some sort of considerable business traffic from New York to Medellín and Cali. Even to Bogotá it is a small portion of the seats sold.

Kudos to B6 on launching this route to Cartagena, the city badly needs new international connections in order to keep positioning themselves as a world class tourist destination. I hope AA and UA set their eyes on CTG in the near future as well as UX when they are done restructuring and the euro charter carriers. The folks in Barranquilla which actually has considerable O/D to New York will also have a new option with this flight, a one and a half hour drive from their homes.

[Edited 2012-07-03 15:47:03]


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User currently offlineJonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 24):

Doesn't AA already serve CTG through MIA or is it only Avianca?

Seems weird for B6 to open a station with only 3 weekly flights, maybe future service to FLL or MCO?


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 26, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting Jonathanxxxx (Reply 25):
Seems weird for B6 to open a station with only 3 weekly flights

Not really:
These two stations opened up with non-daily ops:
LIR
LRM



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 27, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

Quoting Jonathanxxxx (Reply 25):
Doesn't AA already serve CTG through MIA or is it only Avianca?

Well you read what I posted. Not only doesn't AA serve CTG, they have never landed in CTG with a scheduled flight. Only AV serves MIA daily from CTG, and NK daily from FLL. AA flew to BAQ in the past, which is near by.

Quoting Jonathanxxxx (Reply 25):
Seems weird for B6 to open a station with only 3 weekly flights, maybe future service to FLL or MCO?

Niche vacation spots are generally never opened with daily flights by US carriers. (Cartagena has a very specific high-end tourism niche form the US, the lower end is still largely unexploited outside of Colombia, but these flights could be a beginning).

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 26):
These two stations opened up with non-daily ops:
LIR
LRM

As I said, niche vacation spots. Liberia and La Romana are also in that club.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 28, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 24):
Of course, CTG (1.1m people) is a much smaller metro area than MDE (3.4m) or CLO (2.8m) with a smaller emigration rate, but this route is certainly not aimed at attracting that market

It may not be aimed at the ethnic market, but it imight well be useful for the critical mass that I mentioned.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 24):
First time I hear there is some sort of considerable business traffic from New York to Medellín and Cali. Even to Bogotá it is a small portion of the seats sold.

I said that MDE and CLO have the potential to attract more business traffic than CTG, NOT* that there *IS* considerable business traffic. I simply don't know how much there is. But as you may have heard Colombia and the US signed a free trade agreement just recently, and this should result in more trade and more business travel between the US and different colombian cities, and certainly the more industrialised ones. BOG is already quite well served, whereas MDE and CLO could do with better connections to the US. jetBlue would be a good option, and would be able to offer new connecting possibilities.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 29, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1942 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 28):
I said that MDE and CLO have the potential to attract more business traffic than CTG, NOT* that there *IS* considerable business traffic.

Well sorry about that. But I actually think that with the port and the conventions that are held in Cartagena so often, CTG stands a better chance of attracting US business in the midst of the FTA.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 28):
But as you may have heard Colombia and the US signed a free trade agreement just recently, and this should result in more trade and more business travel between the US and different colombian cities, and certainly the more industrialised ones.

The cities that are taking full advantage of the FTA right now are the portuary ones, as exports are growing fast. Economic reports say that the cities that will be most benefitted by the FTA are Cartagena, Barranquilla and Santa Marta, Colombia's three caribbean ports, as exports keep growing. Then come the industrialized cities, which already have the business ties. So the potential to generate new business traffic, although it will also come from the industrial cities (you can throw Barranquilla in there too along with the port), will mostly come from the portuary areas.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 28):
jetBlue would be a good option, and would be able to offer new connecting possibilities.

Yes it would.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 30, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1748 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 29):
Well sorry about that. But I actually think that with the port and the conventions that are held in Cartagena so often, CTG stands a better chance of attracting US business in the midst of the FTA.

I don't think that conventions will be significantly boosted by a free trade agreement. Though jetBlue's new route surely will be useful for those, and that is one of the reasons that I wholeheartedly welcome it.
MDE and its province on the other hand contribute a lot in the country's non-traditional exports, and already has links. Medellin based Bancolombia is only one of the 2 companies listed in the NYSE, but more are set to follow. Nutresa is a candidate, Argos is another.

I agree on the potential of BAQ for more business given its port situation and a good admin in recent years and the relatively low unemployments shows this. CTG is something else in this respect.


User currently offlinewerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
3 international (incl CTG) are to be announced....no idea on the domestic front.

look out for two more international and one domestic announcements this year  


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