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UA GUM Expansion?  
User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1204 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8242 times:

Since the recent threads are about how UA is expanding and shrinking, I'll jump on the bandwagon. I remember a Houston Chronicle article saying Continental was going to have a huge build up in Guam, and it seems it hasn't happened. What else could be done? I know the first thing would be mainland traffic to at least SFO and/or LAX, then what? More Australia? I'm actually surprised that UA doesn't serve SYD, MEL or BNE from GUM. I can also see AKL, Christchurch, Bangkok, Ho Chi Minh City, Taipei, Saigon and more small Pacific islands as possibilities. Out of all the hubs, I think GUM has the most potential to expand.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6950 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8147 times:

On one of the other threads, I posted that there was a flight from Guam to ORD but I don't know what happened to that.

I honestly think a continental US flight is a must for Guam in general. I don't think there is any already.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8122 times:
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How many flights does UA have from Guam? Aren't most flights weekly flights? Do people actually connect there? I really have no idea how that hub works in terms of flights, aircraft, and Destinations.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5644 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8068 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):

On one of the other threads, I posted that there was a flight from Guam to ORD but I don't know what happened to that.

...and everyone on that thread pointed out that there ISN'T such a flight- there is a GUM-HNL flight that then turns to ORD.

Quoting avi8 (Reply 2):
Aren't most flights weekly flights?

I think the Island Hopper is twice a week, having been thrice a week a few years ago.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7954 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):

There is the ORD flight that goes through HNL, then there is UA 1/2 that go IAH-HNL-GUM then GUM-HNL-IAH repectively. There is a direct flight, but not a nonstop.

Quoting avi8 (Reply 2):

There must be connections since it is tied into the mainland with the flights I mentioned so there must be at least something there.



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2359 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7909 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 4):
then there is UA 1/2 that go IAH-HNL-GUM then GUM-HNL-IAH

UA1/2 no longer continues to GUM. That flight ended with the replacement of s-CO 767-424ERs ex-GUM with s-UA 777-222s.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7865 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 5):

It's the end of an era!  



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2499 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7817 times:

Weekly operations
CNS 2 73G
FUK 7 73G
HIJ 2 73G
HNL 7 772
ROR 5 378, 1 73G
MNL 3 73G, 6 738
NGO 5 738, 9 73G
OKA 2 73G
OKJ 2 73G
KIX 7 73G, 7 738
ROP 3 ATR
SPN 36 ATR
CTS 2 73G
SDJ 2 73G
NRT 14 772, 7 738
TKK 3 738, 1 73G
YAP 1 738, 1 73G
TOTAL 39 73G, 34 738, 21 772= 94/WEEK, 13+/DAY AVERAGE

ISLAND HOPPER
PNI 3 738 1 STOPS, 1 73G 1 STOP
KSA 2/WEEK 2 STOPS
KWA 2/WEEK 3 STOPS, 1/WEEK 2 STOP
MAJ 2/WEEK 4 STOPS, 1/WEEK 3 STOP
HNL 2/WEEK 5 STOPS, 1/WEEK 4 STOP


User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7360 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):
I'm actually surprised that UA doesn't serve SYD, MEL or BNE from GUM. I can also see AKL, Christchurch, Bangkok, Ho Chi Minh City, Taipei, Saigon and more small Pacific islands as possibilities. Out of all the hubs, I think GUM has the most potential to expand

Look at the population of GUM- it's actually way over-serviced.


User currently offlinedxBrian From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7229 times:

GUM is a unique hub as most traffic originates inbound to the island. The Japan flights are mostly filled with Japanese passengers on vacation packages to the nearest part of the US from Japan. The Island Hopper works as there is no competition, and not enought traffic for a competitor to even start oeprating the routes. Also there is a very large population of Philippines descent on Guam.

The problem with serving other destinations in Australia besides CNS is the flight time/distance. Most CNS customers are connecting through GUM in both directions. The GUM-CNS great circle distance is 1815 NM, GUM-BNE is 2489 NM so another 600 NM each way, with SYD and MEL even further. You wouldn't be able to connect to other flightss without most of a day layover in either or both directions.


User currently offlineJayBird From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7070 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):

On one of the other threads, I posted that there was a flight from Guam to ORD but I don't know what happened to that.

...and everyone on that thread pointed out that there ISN'T such a flight- there is a GUM-HNL flight that then turns to ORD.

well not quite .. PMCOs flight to Guam operated as a 764 IAH-HNL-GUM-HNL-IAH. When PMUA started shifting equipment last fall they put on a UA 772 ORD-HNL-GUM-HNL-ORD .. I've also seen SFO-HNL-GUM-HNL .. and HNL-GUM-HNL-ORD .. they move the schedule around a lot. I'm in Honolulu - we have offices on Guam and outside Chicago - so our people are on the flight in both directions regularly. So yes, there was such a flight, and at certain times there is still such a flight .. the legs are still with a PMUA 772.

To me the odd thing is traditionally - flight numbers run odd from east to west, and north to south - and even west to east, south to north. Not so much any more .. the flight to Guam (westbound) is UA300 .. the flight back to HNL is UA200. Same thing happens in other markets in/out of Honolulu.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2891 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6798 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):
I know the first thing would be mainland traffic to at least SFO and/or LAX, then what? More Australia? I'm actually surprised that UA doesn't serve SYD, MEL or BNE from GUM. I can also see AKL, Christchurch, Bangkok, Ho Chi Minh City, Taipei, Saigon and more small Pacific islands as possibilities. Out of all the hubs, I think GUM has the most potential to expand

I agree 100% that UA should offer a two cabin 777 service from SFO at first, Mainland origin traffic could then use GUM as a simple connecting point for SE Asia, but as you can go directly to Australia and New Zealand from both SFO and LAX, I doubt too many people would use GUM to connect onwards to Australia, unless it's the Northern part. If that initial mainland service showed merit to the idea of a Trans Pacific GUM hub, then maybe upgauging to a 3 cabin 777 from SFO and adding an LAX flight might help increase connecting traffic through GUM enough to warrant the new destinations and flights. Only thing else they could potentially capitalize on is the Japan to Australia traffic by ways of secondary cities with one connection via GUM, right now you can take UA CTS-GUM-CNS, maybe next PER?



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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 1977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6622 times:

In the 90's, CO flew GUM-SYD on the DC10. I knew a GUM based DC10 pilot who flew it.

It didn't last needless to say.


User currently offlinehz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6531 times:
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Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 7):
TOTAL 39 73G, 34 738, 21 772= 94/WEEK, 13+/DAY AVERAGE

Isn't HKG on that list too?



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2499 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6157 times:

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 13):
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 7):
TOTAL 39 73G, 34 738, 21 772= 94/WEEK, 13+/DAY AVERAGE

Isn't HKG on that list too?

Sorry, I jumped over that one.
HKG 2/week 738


User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1465 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5977 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 6):
It's the end of an era!

It was a give and take. S-UA lost having UA1/2 being ORD-HNL which had been the case since dinosaurs walked the earth  


User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1628 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5665 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 7):
Weekly operations
CNS 2 73G

How are the loads on these flight, do we know? Which such a low frequency I wonder. What's the traffic between Australia and Guam? Connecting to mainland USA or Hawaii?

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 7):
MNL 3 73G, 6 738

This doesn't surprise me, in fact I would have thought UA might have put a widebody on the route by now?

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 11):
I agree 100% that UA should offer a two cabin 777 service from SFO at first, Mainland origin traffic could then use GUM as a simple connecting point for SE Asia,

I always thought a two cabin 777 from the West Coast to MNL via GUM would have done very well with loads, but I'd gather UA knows better than any of us do that the yields would be rock bottom so probably not worth it.



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5637 times:

Would they ever consider GUM-SFO/LAX? I feel like these are a bit overdue.


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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5558 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 17):
Would they ever consider GUM-SFO/LAX? I feel like these are a bit overdue.

I agree, It would be born out of military contracts. I'm sure its on the radar but probably waaaaaay down on it.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6950 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 7):
HNL 7 772
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 7):
NRT 14 772, 7 738

Ok so a once-a-day stateside flight and 3x a day flight to NRT....are there really that many Japanese who fly to Guam?



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5505 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Ok so a once-a-day stateside flight and 3x a day flight to NRT....are there really that many Japanese who fly to Guam?

Yes...is an understatement.



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User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5505 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 4):
There is the ORD flight that goes through HNL, then there is UA 1/2 that go IAH-HNL-GUM then GUM-HNL-IAH repectively. There is a direct flight, but not a nonstop.

I've flown that route twice, and actually on a DCA-IAH-HNL-GUM tag. The last time I was window seated on a CO 764, and the seat in front had an electrical box that took up half the leg room for me. 16+ hours on IAH-HNL-GUM with room enough for one leg to extend. Not a pleasant experience!


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5430 times:

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 16):
How are the loads on these flight, do we know? Which such a low frequency I wonder. What's the traffic between Australia and Guam? Connecting to mainland USA or Hawaii?

The Guam hub caters to Japanese travelers, the beyond connections to places like Cairns are for Japanese tourists.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 17):
Would they ever consider GUM-SFO/LAX? I feel like these are a bit overdue.
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 18):

I agree, It would be born out of military contracts. I'm sure its on the radar but probably waaaaaay down on it.

Guam is set to see huge expansion in it's military population over the next ten years as the US directs more of it's assets towards the Pacific. They are moving approximately 8,000 Marines and their aircraft from Okinawa to Guam. Plus the Navy, Air Force and even Army will be increasing their presence on the island. When you factor in dependents and contractors the demand for air travel between the mainland US and Guam will likely see dramatic increases. A nonstop to LAX 3-4x a week might be in the offering, otherwise I can see HA or DL launching a HNL-GUM flight. NWA previously flew HNL-GUM.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 12):
In the 90's, CO flew GUM-SYD on the DC10. I knew a GUM based DC10 pilot who flew it.

There was also a GUM-BNE-SYD flight.



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User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5330 times:
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the connector is in HNL and we fly here directly from the Mainland USA Much of the passenger traffic is military and since Anderson AFB and the Former Naval Air Station at AGANA are there there's good reason to keep it that way. The continuation flights to NRT and MNL and further to HKG are for the workers who travel back and forth. which is the life blod orf that route and the Hub at GUM.
Since Continental Air Micronesia were around. Bypassing HNL wouldn't help the loads by any means . How many people are going to fly LAX / SFO 10-12 hrs direct GUM?? and How many More would fly 12-14 Hours Direct ORD/IAH to Gum?? especially when it getting JUST like Honolulu?


User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 16):
This doesn't surprise me, in fact I would have thought UA might have put a widebody on the route by now?

During the Christmas holidays, PMCO used to put the DC10 and the 76H on the nightly GUM-MNL-GUM flights.



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25 Post contains images panamair : You do the math.. . Besides UA's service, Delta is now flying (for the summer peak) 4x daily NRT-GUM (2 763ERs + 2 757s), 2x daily KIX-GUM (2 757s),
26 AADC10 : GUM will only expand if there is a big military contract. The Pacific islands are for the most part sparsely populated and poor. The economy in most o
27 atct : China Airlines, Eva Air, Japan Airlines, Jin Air, and Korean Air all operate to Guam as well....mainly carrying Japanese tourists.I have a few CoMic
28 BigB : It wouldn't work because the demand to SFO/LAX alone would be low. Most of the pax on the GUM-HNL leg terminates in HNL with few staying on the fligh
29 carpethead : For those on GUM expansion, where is UA going to obtain widebody capacity? This is an airline that added just handful of widebodies over the last deca
30 PHX787 : Why is GUM so popular with Japanese? Well I'm not so sure it's "stagnant," but given the earthquake yeah things have been slower than usual (and thin
31 SANAV8R : Aren't issues with the layout of the airport? I flew through Guam to Cairns a few years ago via NRT & HNL and there was such an odd feeling with t
32 Post contains links jgarrido : Population isn't everything. As of March of this year Guam was the 6th most used port of entry by international vistors in the United States with 317
33 kiwiandrew : Those are some very strange looking stats. Blaine, Washington ("where?", I hear you ask ) gets more international arrivals than Dallas or Detroit and
34 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : I thought you had lots of Japanese friends in Japan? You should ask them also:
35 AirOne : Hi All- I just transited through GUM two months ago. Flew in via the NRT leg and outbound via the HNL leg - both operated by 777s. The flights were bo
36 Post contains links christao17 : With all due respect, I'm not sure you have your facts straight about the economy of Asia. Looking at this World Bank data, which is consistent with
37 drerx7 : It would have to be subsidized by a military contract...and even then I think we may see a 744 replace the 777 at that point.
38 jgarrido : Even though Canadian vistors aren't counted it doesn't mean vistors from other counties who enter the US via Canada aren't. According to wikipeida: "
39 Viscount724 : You've obviously never driven from YVR to the U.S. or vice versa. The two busiest highway border crossings (one for cars, one mainly for trucks) betw
40 PHX787 : I see, that makes sense.
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