TWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 3828 posts, RR: 3 Posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8832 times:
Since the recent threads are about how UA is expanding and shrinking, I'll jump on the bandwagon. I remember a Houston Chronicle article saying Continental was going to have a huge build up in Guam, and it seems it hasn't happened. What else could be done? I know the first thing would be mainland traffic to at least SFO and/or LAX, then what? More Australia? I'm actually surprised that UA doesn't serve SYD, MEL or BNE from GUM. I can also see AKL, Christchurch, Bangkok, Ho Chi Minh City, Taipei, Saigon and more small Pacific islands as possibilities. Out of all the hubs, I think GUM has the most potential to expand.
eta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7950 times:
Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter): I'm actually surprised that UA doesn't serve SYD, MEL or BNE from GUM. I can also see AKL, Christchurch, Bangkok, Ho Chi Minh City, Taipei, Saigon and more small Pacific islands as possibilities. Out of all the hubs, I think GUM has the most potential to expand
Look at the population of GUM- it's actually way over-serviced.
dxBrian From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7819 times:
GUM is a unique hub as most traffic originates inbound to the island. The Japan flights are mostly filled with Japanese passengers on vacation packages to the nearest part of the US from Japan. The Island Hopper works as there is no competition, and not enought traffic for a competitor to even start oeprating the routes. Also there is a very large population of Philippines descent on Guam.
The problem with serving other destinations in Australia besides CNS is the flight time/distance. Most CNS customers are connecting through GUM in both directions. The GUM-CNS great circle distance is 1815 NM, GUM-BNE is 2489 NM so another 600 NM each way, with SYD and MEL even further. You wouldn't be able to connect to other flightss without most of a day layover in either or both directions.
On one of the other threads, I posted that there was a flight from Guam to ORD but I don't know what happened to that.
...and everyone on that thread pointed out that there ISN'T such a flight- there is a GUM-HNL flight that then turns to ORD.
well not quite .. PMCOs flight to Guam operated as a 764 IAH-HNL-GUM-HNL-IAH. When PMUA started shifting equipment last fall they put on a UA 772 ORD-HNL-GUM-HNL-ORD .. I've also seen SFO-HNL-GUM-HNL .. and HNL-GUM-HNL-ORD .. they move the schedule around a lot. I'm in Honolulu - we have offices on Guam and outside Chicago - so our people are on the flight in both directions regularly. So yes, there was such a flight, and at certain times there is still such a flight .. the legs are still with a PMUA 772.
To me the odd thing is traditionally - flight numbers run odd from east to west, and north to south - and even west to east, south to north. Not so much any more .. the flight to Guam (westbound) is UA300 .. the flight back to HNL is UA200. Same thing happens in other markets in/out of Honolulu.
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4573 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 7388 times:
Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter): I know the first thing would be mainland traffic to at least SFO and/or LAX, then what? More Australia? I'm actually surprised that UA doesn't serve SYD, MEL or BNE from GUM. I can also see AKL, Christchurch, Bangkok, Ho Chi Minh City, Taipei, Saigon and more small Pacific islands as possibilities. Out of all the hubs, I think GUM has the most potential to expand
I agree 100% that UA should offer a two cabin 777 service from SFO at first, Mainland origin traffic could then use GUM as a simple connecting point for SE Asia, but as you can go directly to Australia and New Zealand from both SFO and LAX, I doubt too many people would use GUM to connect onwards to Australia, unless it's the Northern part. If that initial mainland service showed merit to the idea of a Trans Pacific GUM hub, then maybe upgauging to a 3 cabin 777 from SFO and adding an LAX flight might help increase connecting traffic through GUM enough to warrant the new destinations and flights. Only thing else they could potentially capitalize on is the Japan to Australia traffic by ways of secondary cities with one connection via GUM, right now you can take UA CTS-GUM-CNS, maybe next PER?
This doesn't surprise me, in fact I would have thought UA might have put a widebody on the route by now?
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 11): I agree 100% that UA should offer a two cabin 777 service from SFO at first, Mainland origin traffic could then use GUM as a simple connecting point for SE Asia,
I always thought a two cabin 777 from the West Coast to MNL via GUM would have done very well with loads, but I'd gather UA knows better than any of us do that the yields would be rock bottom so probably not worth it.
gdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6095 times:
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 4): There is the ORD flight that goes through HNL, then there is UA 1/2 that go IAH-HNL-GUM then GUM-HNL-IAH repectively. There is a direct flight, but not a nonstop.
I've flown that route twice, and actually on a DCA-IAH-HNL-GUM tag. The last time I was window seated on a CO 764, and the seat in front had an electrical box that took up half the leg room for me. 16+ hours on IAH-HNL-GUM with room enough for one leg to extend. Not a pleasant experience!
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 17573 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6020 times:
Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 16): How are the loads on these flight, do we know? Which such a low frequency I wonder. What's the traffic between Australia and Guam? Connecting to mainland USA or Hawaii?
The Guam hub caters to Japanese travelers, the beyond connections to places like Cairns are for Japanese tourists.
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 17): Would they ever consider GUM-SFO/LAX? I feel like these are a bit overdue.
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 18):
I agree, It would be born out of military contracts. I'm sure its on the radar but probably waaaaaay down on it.
Guam is set to see huge expansion in it's military population over the next ten years as the US directs more of it's assets towards the Pacific. They are moving approximately 8,000 Marines and their aircraft from Okinawa to Guam. Plus the Navy, Air Force and even Army will be increasing their presence on the island. When you factor in dependents and contractors the demand for air travel between the mainland US and Guam will likely see dramatic increases. A nonstop to LAX 3-4x a week might be in the offering, otherwise I can see HA or DL launching a HNL-GUM flight. NWA previously flew HNL-GUM.
Quoting klwright69 (Reply 12): In the 90's, CO flew GUM-SYD on the DC10. I knew a GUM based DC10 pilot who flew it.
strfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 2082 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5920 times:
the connector is in HNL and we fly here directly from the Mainland USA Much of the passenger traffic is military and since Anderson AFB and the Former Naval Air Station at AGANA are there there's good reason to keep it that way. The continuation flights to NRT and MNL and further to HKG are for the workers who travel back and forth. which is the life blod orf that route and the Hub at GUM.
Since Continental Air Micronesia were around. Bypassing HNL wouldn't help the loads by any means . How many people are going to fly LAX / SFO 10-12 hrs direct GUM?? and How many More would fly 12-14 Hours Direct ORD/IAH to Gum?? especially when it getting JUST like Honolulu?