steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1536 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14894 times:
Definitely good news for STL. It appears WN would gain control of the slots 06 SEPT 12. WN is currently seeking approval to "slide" the slots, which are all for late evening, to commercially viable times. NK had previously received a slide for these slots, but the slide is not transferable. A brief summary of the current status can be found here: OST-2012-0109 - Exemption - DCA Slot Slides
GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2651 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14840 times:
STL also provides government travelers across the Mississippi River at Scott AFB in Illinois larger jet service to the nations capital. Scott of course is home to Headquarters U.S. Transportation Command and Air Mobility Command. These are the offices which coordinated most of the military charters and gray metal logistics around the globe. I liken these commands to FedEx on steroids.
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threeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 608 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14795 times:
I would have guessed that US would fly DCA-STL but it doesn't. Does anyone have an estimate of the daily STL-WAS traffic? 2x daily on WN is a huge increase in available seats from the current service level on AE.
This will give STL service on WN to BOS, EWR, LGA, PHL, BWI and DCA and have the entire eastern market covered. Very impressive WN..
Good news for us in STL, how long before AA drops STL-DCA? One of the few non-cornerstone p2p's left.
Probably in the works as we speak. One more nail in the AA coffin otherwise known as STL..
steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1536 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14634 times:
Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 9): I would have guessed that US would fly DCA-STL but it doesn't. Does anyone have an estimate of the daily STL-WAS traffic? 2x daily on WN is a huge increase in available seats from the current service level on AE.
I don't have the numbers off-hand, but this was a mainline AA route prior to DL entering with 4x CR7 (including after the closure of the STL hub). DL's entrance prompted AA to reduce to 3x CR7 (which DL matched), and AA has simply maintained that schedule since DL closed the route as they parted with DCA slots. So while adding 2x 737 is a huge increase compared to the current offering, it hasn't been that long since a lot more seats were in the market. Ultimately, there's a good chance we'll see AA quietly cut the route and leave a strong performer for WN.
nomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 414 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14477 times:
Is there any information regarding the greatest number of DCA flights TWA operated at any one time prior to the AA takeover?
IIRC this was a major market for TWA yet AA seems a few AE flights can take care of business (like so many former TWA STL markets)
steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1536 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14247 times:
Quoting nomadic (Reply 13): IIRC this was a major market for TWA yet AA seems a few AE flights can take care of business (like so many former TWA STL markets)
There's really no point comparing what TWA did in STL 10+ years ago to what AA does there now. Aside from the 3x CR7 service to DCA, there is little to distinguish STL from any other spoke in terms of AA service.
mke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14194 times:
Quoting avi8 (Reply 1): It's also a matter of time before DCA-MKE on FL gets transferred to MDW and operated by WN.
Well, people have been saying this ever since the merger was first announced (almost two years ago now) and it still hasn't happened. It wouldn't surprise me if they eventually move one or two of the flights, but I expect at least two MKE-DCA flights will remain.
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Lambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2055 posts, RR: 38 Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12224 times:
Quoting usxguy (Reply 18): I believe that USAirways flew DCA-STL 3 or 4 times a day using a mix of ERJ 145 and EMB 170 aircraft.... but for the life of me I can't seem to recall an end date.
I'm from St. Louis and now live next to Reagan and I can assure you this hasn't happened in at least the past five years and never, to my knowledge.
Responding to an earlier poster, at one point in time DCA-STL had 800 seats a day in the market between DL and AA. DL was competing against AA's mainline product and over-pricing the market -- commonly offering r/t fares north of $600 over a month out. I was never quite sure of DL's strategy other than to pump up an S-Curve market, but either way it left the market worse off with Delta leaving and AA going to RJ's. I was actually anticipating AA placing S80's back on the route at some point, but I suppose this will squash that possibility. Given the remaining frequent flier base in St. Louis, I think AA can survive and even do well with something like 510 seats a day in the market.
ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4308 posts, RR: 22 Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11120 times:
Quoting dbo861 (Reply 3):
I'm curious when we'll find out if WN will be awarded the slots for DCA-OKC. It's also a matter of time before DCA-MKE on FL gets transferred to MDW and operated by WN.
The Air 21 slot award has seemed to be taking forever to finalize. Probably a lot of backroom politicking going on. The sad thing is, giving the slots to WN for OKC-DCA would be better than leaving with US. If JAN-DCA was truly viable, there is nothing stopping US from moving a couple of their existing slots over to cover from a route with excess capacity on it.
As far as MKE-DCA, like others have said I think some will remain. They are making a huge push to grab ex-F9 flyers as much as possible right now and it wouldn't be very wise to cut the business routes those pax want. Yes, reduce frequency and give them to MDW where they can be better used but keep something at MKE.
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usafret From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 56 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10984 times:
I too hope AA will return the DCA flights to mainline, but the CR7 isn't bad. I believe they dropped the STL-JFK direct as well on AE. Very sad. I'm looking to relocate someplace else with better air service on AA, but not Chicago or Dallas, so will keep thinking about where to go. I'm Ex Plat so in for a dime in for a dollar. Delta looks tempting at this point.
September11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 22 Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10885 times:
Southwest in DCA?? Wow - I am so behind on airline news. Forgive me but I thought Southwest will never fly to DCA... Did previous Southwest management indicate new DCA destination not possible at all? Anyway, improved DCA-STL service sounds good!
HPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3879 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10709 times:
Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 20): If JAN-DCA was truly viable, there is nothing stopping US from moving a couple of their existing slots over to cover from a route with excess capacity on it.
It can be viable without demanding a slot be given up for it. I don't think DCA really has many routes with "excess capacity" on them. In the end this will be a political decision, a state capital versus a larger market.
knope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2644 posts, RR: 30 Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10610 times:
I gotta say, when I saw this thread I thought "this is how they keep DCA-MKE and start DCA-MDW too". But when I saw it was two slot pairs for St Louis service, it makes me even more convinced that some or all DCA-MKE slots will go to Midway. They could just have easily used these two new slot pairs to get MDW service, a market with no nonstop airines at all. They obvious reason they woudn't pledge these two slots to MDW is that they have other plans for DCA-MDW.
It may be that they trim both DCA-ATL and DCA-MKE to start 3-5 Midway flights, so it's not necessarily certain that all four DCA-MKE moves wholesale down to DCA-MDW. But it seems even more likely to me that something else for MDW is up..
25 F9animal: What? I don't want to go off topic, but.... 600 mainline flights a day? Or a week? What was TWAs biggest daily departures from STL? Also, why would N
26 skycub: TWA appears to have peaked at Saint Louis in the fourth quarter of 1997 with 537 daily flights, of which 367 were mainline flights (this was also the
27 ouboy79: Umm...they are both state capitals? So that really means nothing in this. It will come down to which political lobby does a better job though. Howeve
28 HPRamper: I mean that JAN is basically a capital and not much else. Small market, nothing close to the passenger base that OKC would have. As far as I'm concer
29 bobloblaw: STL-DCA was TWA highest margin route in the 1990s along with LGA. TW got a 20% higher yield on the route than AA got on ORD-DCA despite being 100 mile
30 kgaiflyer: It wasn't just that. The most interesting people bought walk-up tickets and wound up sitting in the back -- sometimes squeezed into a middle seat. Yo
31 dadoftyler: Bobloblaw--in DC I think those "salesmen" are called "lobbyists."
32 gizmonc: Does anyone have any idea on how much WN paid NK for those slots. It sure was a short auction NK made their desire to put those 4 slots up for bid on
33 Cubsrule: Interestingly, I've found in many of the places I lived in the east coast, it was much more common to find this sort of "interesting" last minute wal