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Lack Of CRJ 1000 Orders  
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13225 times:

This might have been discussed earlier. Sorry if it has

Who are possible candients for the CRJ1000

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User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13185 times:

The CRJ-1000 is the last of the line, and in my opinion, was created as a stop-gap until the C-Series becomes available.

Possible candidates would be current regional operators of the CRJ-900, but that could easily be hindered by scope-clause agreements with the major airlines.

I am sure we might see ones and twos ordered for a little while, but nothing more than a trickle in the over-all CRJ production.



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User currently offlineHawaiian763 From Canada, joined May 2009, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13024 times:

This is probably gonna sound silly, but what is the main difference between the CRJ 900 and 1000? I see photos and can't really tell the difference between the two

User currently offlinelarshjort From Niue, joined Dec 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12898 times:

It is longer and has a fly by wire rudder.

/Lars



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12529 times:

Quoting larshjort (Reply 3):
It is longer and has a fly by wire rudder.

9 ft. longer and 4 ft greater wingspan which increases the wing area by about 10%.


User currently offlineMEA330 From Lebanon, joined Aug 2002, 288 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12075 times:

Bombardier recently received an order for 6 CRJ1000 from Garuda ad 12 aircraft from NAC leasing company. All aircraft to be operated by Garuda.

User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5963 times:

Slow and steady, MEA330...


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User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

flew on one for the first time earlier this year.
Super quiet inside... I was extremely impressed. Quite a nice passenger experience.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5654 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
This might have been discussed earlier. Sorry if it has

Who are possible candients for the CRJ1000

Unless scope rules are changed in North America, I think you'll only see this version in Europe and Asia. IIRC only Air Nostrum, Brit Air, and now Garuda (both directly and via lease) are customers. 60-70 orders total. There might be a few more, but CSeries is coming fairly soon, so possible operators probably prefer to wait.



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User currently offlinefd728 From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5440 times:

Adria wants to phase out the CRJ-200 and the A319/320 and streamline / rightsize the fleet, which could be done by adding CRJ-1000 to their fleet of -900s

CityJet could go the way of their sister company Brit Air and introduce CRJ-1000s as a replacement for their Avro RJs.

Turkish said they'd like to set up a regional carrier, similar to what Garuda is planing to do. In case they want quick deliveries, TK might look at the -1000

And Felix Airways flies -200, -700, and 900s and could make use of a few -1000s


My 2cents


User currently onlineunityofsaints From Ireland, joined Nov 2011, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

Quoting fd728 (Reply 9):
CityJet could go the way of their sister company Brit Air and introduce CRJ-1000s as a replacement for their Avro RJs.

Would Bombardier seek LCY certification for the 1000? Hardly worth the hassle I'd imagine.


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

If there was a CRJ 1000 order in North America, What are the possible canadites

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

I could see SAS pick some up

User currently offlinewumzi From Canada, joined Mar 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 1):
Possible candidates would be current regional operators of the CRJ-900, but that could easily be hindered by scope-clause agreements with the major airlines.

Can someone clarify for me scope-clause agreements? I keep hearing about them whenever someone discusses regional jets, but never quite understood what they're about.


User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3741 times:

Quoting wumzi (Reply 13):
Can someone clarify for me scope-clause agreements? I keep hearing about them whenever someone discusses regional jets, but never quite understood what they're about.

Scope clauses restrict the number of frames with a given seat count, usually above a certain threshold that mainline pilots consider protected turf. Basically, the closer you get to 100 seats or so, the tighter the limits typically become. For instance, CO had a very strict scope agreement where there was NO 70 seat jet flying whatsoever, but very little if any restriction on 50-seaters and props. The Q400s were an exception to the strict seat count rule, because as props, they were thrown in the unrestricted category. Then, you have airlines like AA, which allow 70 seaters but only in very limited numbers - I believe they only had 25 or so CR7s until the last couple years. Finally, you have airlines like UA and DL which have extensive 70-seater fleets of CR7s and E-Jets, though those are still capped at a certain level, and then more or less unlimited 50 seater fleets of CRJs and ERJs. DL even has some CR9s that UA scope won't allow due to their ~86 seats, but that is it even for DL. Everything else has to be mainline, as you see with AC and US E-190s.

Another element is who flies for whom - many of the regional carriers, at least in the U.S., exist as subsidiaries of the big regional players merely to skirt scope clause provisions limiting how many large RJs a given airline can fly across it's mainline partners. S5 and G7 are both good examples of regionals dedicated to large RJ flying that allow their larger parents (Republic and Trans States, respectively) to get around scope clauses vis-a-vis regional partners.


User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

Quoting wumzi (Reply 13):
Can someone clarify for me scope-clause agreements? I keep hearing about them whenever someone discusses regional jets, but never quite understood what they're about.

For mainline North American airlines like UA, US or AA, the scope clauses limit the amount of seats (and number of aircraft, for that matter) that regional counterparts can operate, so as not to infringe on the mainline airline too much. AA, for example, has a very strict scope clause that limits the amount of jets that can be operated by American Eagle with over 50 seats to 47 frames, currently all CRJ700s.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 14):
Everything else has to be mainline, as you see with AC and US E-190s.

Keep in mind that the E-175s are flown as mainline in the AC world. That was the trade-off for Jazz getting their CRJ705s.



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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 16):
Keep in mind that the E-175s are flown as mainline in the AC world. That was the trade-off for Jazz getting their CRJ705s.

I stand corrected - I thought I had seen some at DCA that wore Express titles.


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