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Rumor: New Airline In Alaska?  
User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2057 posts, RR: 9
Posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7685 times:

Has anyone heard about a new airline starting up in Alaska?? My information comes from a reliable source, but due to a contract just signed with their business, that is all that can be said.

No information on routes or equipment or start up date given.


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4078 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7637 times:

Is this an existing airline new to Alaska, or a startup, brand-new airline?

User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2057 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7602 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 3):
Is this an existing airline new to Alaska, or a startup, brand-new airline?

As far as I would assume its new?? All I know is an airline in Alaska.



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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2057 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7474 times:

More information as far as A/C type...MD80. I guess it is in early start up planning. That all I know due to NDA.

[Edited 2012-07-03 22:05:12]


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User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5080 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7463 times:

Interesting. I would expect AS to go ape poop if this was true. MD-80? If anything, I wonder if an MD-80 could be converted into a COMBI? With the huge amount of freight up there, I could see something like that working!


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User currently offlinealaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7374 times:

I'm calling BS on this...I know that Everts is getting an MD-80 combi and/or freight (possibly more than one) and they might be wanting to get more into the passenger market.

If this isn't someway related to Everts then I'm willing to bet this will never get off the ground.


User currently offlinewoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7367 times:

Haven't heard a thing up here in ALASKA. Searched the Fairbanks newspaper for any chatter, nothing came up. The only entity in Alaska that currently exists that could possibly be able to bring on and support MD-80s (or DC-9s) is Everts Air Cargo/ Everts Air Alaska based in Fairbanks. Currently they operate a scheduled passenger and charter passenger operation with Embraer EMB 120s, Cessna Caravans, Pilatus PC-12s and Piper Lance. Their cargo ops use DC-6s, C-46s and DC-9-30CFs so it would not be out of the question for them to be thinking of moving further into the pax market although I know of no plans, it is a thought though.

I would really doubt a new large passenger airline "startup" in Alaska unless it was an expansion of an existing company. Dare I say that Neil Bergt, he of MarkAir fame is trying again to start another airline? God help us all if that is the case!


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7292 times:
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Quoting woodsboy (Reply 8):
Dare I say that Neil Bergt, he of MarkAir fame is trying again to start another airline? God help us all if that is the case!

What about the reincarnation of the Wien?

I saw a NAC 737-300 at BFI yesterday...new equipment? Maybe NAC will spin off a new combi airline simply called Northern Air?

Also, I've seen Everts EMB-120F at Paine Field.

Maybe a low-cost carrier between ANC-SEA.


User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7128 times:

I have my doubts that a carrier would choose a DC9 variant (up to MD 80/90) for Alaska the way those skinny little wings ice up. So that part of the rumor seems unfounded. But time will tell, of course.


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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3575 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6850 times:

A few months ago, I had heard of an airline called Aleutian Pacific who was trying to find frames that would make it from DUT or ADK to SEA. Hadn't heard much lately.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6776 times:

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 10):
I have my doubts that a carrier would choose a DC9 variant (up to MD 80/90) for Alaska the way those skinny little wings ice up. So that part of the rumor seems unfounded. But time will tell, of course.

AS used them here for years, up until retirement in 2008. Heat blankets were installed after SAS had their MD-87 crash.

But on topic, I've heard nothing.

And yes, NAC seems to be getting another -300, since there's one painted at BFI.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6735 times:

I would expect AS to make quick work of scaring off any intruder, they can get into a big pissing match and not dent their bank account too badly, if the proposed startup carrier was competing head to head in AS markets. This proposed startup would have to have some pretty deep pockets, or suffer the fate of Wien and Markair. Alaska is the strong hold fortress for AS, they bring good money in from flying around the state, I can't see any other carrier being able to penetrate that market.
And that is also my biggest argument as to why AS will remain an independent carrier forever.



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4078 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
Maybe a low-cost carrier between ANC-SEA.

God knows that route needs something a little more affordable.

Maybe this new carrier would be starting up that Vladivostok run.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6435 times:
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Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 11):
A few months ago, I had heard of an airline called Aleutian Pacific who was trying to find frames that would make it from DUT or ADK to SEA. Hadn't heard much lately.

If there is such an airline, that would be something that hadn't been done since Reeve used Electras between SEA and Cold Bay. This route would be a perfect route for a 737-700C, but one would think that ETOPS would be required.

Who knows...I would be curious to see what happens.


User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 993 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6387 times:

I call BS...no one starting service within, to/from Alaska would use a MD80 with their poor ability to carry freight. The cargo hold is small and difficult to work in when just dealing with suitcases, let alone freight.

That said, it would NOT surprise me if someone is trying to take advantage of AS's pullout from Adak. There's a multimillion dollar EAS contract on the table for someone to pick up. PenAir entered a bid but it was rejected, probably due to their proposed subsidy was an outrageous sum ($3.7 million per year) and that they'd fly a 30 seat Saab that required a fuel stop and had little cargo capacity. AS continues to fly the route until a new entrant is approved.


User currently offlineFlightmedic72 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

From today's Anchorage Daily News (July 4th)

http://www.adn.com/2012/07/03/253053...rthern-air-cargo-leases-kulis.html

"Regional air carrier Northern Air Cargo (NAC) has entered in to a lease agreement with Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport for space at the former Kulis Air National Guard base on Raspberry Road. The property will support transportation of Shell Alaska Exploration personnel during the summer offshore exploration season.

Northern Aviation Services, a division of NAC,, has reconfigured the building that once served as the mess hall and kitchen, transforming it into a charter terminal for use by Shell's employees and contractors. The company has also chartered a Boeing 737-400 passenger aircraft from Miami Air that will be based at the site.

NAC is the first air operator to lease space at the former base, located on 129 acres owned by the state, according to the Department of Transportation of Public Facilities. Kulis operated from the 1950s until February, 2011, when Air National Guard operations were relocated to Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson.


User currently offlinewoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5722 times:

NAC's operation is considerably smaller than Everts and their moving into the old Kulis building I dont think means anything. They only operate a couple 737-200s, no more DC-6s and their "experiment" with ATRs is long since history.

I think I found the source of this rumor and indeed it is Everts. It isnt a new airline and it isn't a passenger operation, seems like Everts is going to be taking the first MD-80SF (freighter conversion) from AEI....soon? Anyone please add to this if they have more info but my former colleague at Everts confirms that they have had this in the works for over a year and plan to eventually add more MD-80SFs as the DC-6s wind down over the next decade. So, not a passenger operation! It is understandable that if MD-80s were mentioned as a new type for an Alaskan operator it would be assumed that it would be for passengers since no MD-80s exist as freighters...apparently this is about to change!

The MD-80s to be added to the Everts fleet are ex-AA "Super 80s", two are slated for delivery with more to follow, albeit slowly.


User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 993 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5687 times:

Quoting woodsboy (Reply 16):
The MD-80s to be added to the Everts fleet are ex-AA "Super 80s", two are slated for delivery with more to follow, albeit slowly.

Good luck with that...I can't imagine there being enough life in an AA Super80 to justify not only a likely D check but the expensive of converting it to a freighter AND getting FAA certification. But you can buy a MD80 for nothing...that'd help. If they're the first MD80 conversion to a freighter then certification will likely be a long process. Have they actually promised a start date for scheduled service?


User currently offlinewoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5649 times:

Luck is apparently on AEI's side...the D-check was done over the winter, all major components were overhauled including engines and landing gear and the conversion is done. The first MD-80 is N73444, a 1987 vintage MD-82 and that reg suggests that it was a TWA bird to begin with. If you go to AEI's website they have an amazing day by day documentation of the tear down and build up the freighter conversion with LOTS of photos of the work. There are 15 orders right now for the conversion and Everts Air Cargo is indeed going to get the first conversion. I cant believe I didn't know about this since I use to work at Everts and I drive by their MX hanger all the time to see what it going on. I was so excited when the DC-9 30CFs showed up about 18 months ago that I guess I didnt even think about the possibility of their bringing on-line MD-80s freighters!
http://www.aeronautical-engineers.co...MD80SF%20Conversion%20Progress.pdf
check out the link above.

If a DC-9 can last for 45 years as both a pax carrier and a freighter then an MD-80 can certainly be almost new after just 25 years!!   Oh, then there are Everts DC-6s and C-46s that range between 55 and 70 years old and those beauties fly out of FAI and ANC every day of the year- still!


User currently offlinesnowzilla From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 14):
Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 14):
That said, it would NOT surprise me if someone is trying to take advantage of AS's pullout from Adak. There's a multimillion dollar EAS contract on the table for someone to pick up. PenAir entered a bid but it was rejected, probably due to their proposed subsidy was an outrageous sum ($3.7 million per year) and that they'd fly a 30 seat Saab that required a fuel stop and had little cargo capacity. AS continues to fly the route until a new entrant is approved.

Alaska decided to re-bid Adak and won...


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5439 times:

Quoting snowzilla (Reply 19):

Alaska decided to re-bid Adak and won...

Boy AS does have the state of Alaska by the B*L*S huh? No way another carrier would pour the resources into trying to compete intra-state with AS, nor compete with AS on their lift out of Alaska to the lower 48. I'd be surprised if all the other carriers that serve Alaska other than AS, equal the amount of lift AS provides to the lower 48. Still love them, in my top 2 favs.



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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 993 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

Quoting snowzilla (Reply 19):
Alaska decided to re-bid Adak and won...

Am curious about your source....haven't heard that they decided to re-bid on Adak. Doesn't surprise me considering that the original subsidy was a now-paltry $1.6 million per year for two flights a week. PenAir's bid that was turned down was for a whopping $3.4 million on a prop. If AS were smart they'd resubmit their bid for close to that amount and it'd probably be accepted. They likely never imagined they could ask for that high of number.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5224 times:
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 20):
No way another carrier would pour the resources into trying to compete intra-state with AS, nor compete with AS on their lift out of Alaska to the lower 48. I'd be surprised if all the other carriers that serve Alaska other than AS, equal the amount of lift AS provides to the lower 48. Still love them, in my top 2 favs.

Remember when there was a ton of intra-Alaska jet traffic with Reeve, Wien, Markair and AS.


User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2313 posts, RR: 38
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5016 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 7):
I saw a NAC 737-300 at BFI yesterday...new equipment? Maybe NAC will spin off a new combi airline simply called Northern Air?

Also, I've seen Everts EMB-120F at Paine Field.

NAC has had the -300 for 2-3 years now, usually flies out of Laredo, TX. Everts has also had the Brasilia's for a while now as well.



I've heard rumblings around the office of Allegiant looking at service. Cant back it up but its been around the office a few times.

atct



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4649 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 22):
Remember when there was a ton of intra-Alaska jet traffic with Reeve, Wien, Markair and AS.

I do remember each carrier, they all flew to SEA at one time or another, I remember Reeves Electras. Both Markair and Wien failed when they decided to make a market for themselves in the lower 48, It worked for AS because they did it slowly over many years, while both Markair and Wiens expansions were done rather quickly and not well covered. Now AS enjoys the spoils of being the tortoise in the race, and the big winner.



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25 usxguy : Actually Alaska hasn't been 'reawarded' ADAK - they are being held in. The "new" airline is this: Essential Air Service at Adak, Alaska OST-2000-8556
26 sunking737 : Just to add fuel to the fire, Rumor has company "A" putting its planes on company "Zs" AOC. Not sure how well that will go over with the Fed's. Wet le
27 canoecarrier : I don't like the aircraft type for Alaska ops, but wouldn't Era be able to support an aircraft that size if they wanted to? Adak's service demand mus
28 usxguy : can operate as a DOT 380 op....
29 HiFlyerAS : That is so damn cute!! 'Tiny Air'! LOL Has anyone called him just to say hello? Yes, AS had previously agreed to continue service to ADK until a new c
30 atct : This is "Shared Aviation Services" aka Conoco and BP shared flights under Conoco's certificate. They fly under the callsign "Conoco." For those who a
31 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Interesting Lynden Air Cargo (IATA L2) http://www.lac.lynden.com/ hasn't bid on the route. Many years ago and out of the blue I saw a Lynden airframe
32 as77w : The EAS contract requires the operator to be capable of supplying passenger service to ADK as well as cargo. Lynden Air Cargo does not meet the passe
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