doulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 349 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5561 times:
Through out the 1970s I discovered Air Canada was using LGA for flights to YYZ and YUL,etc. I thought all international flights
were out of JFK. Did Air Canada ever serve JFK in the past?
Jean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2106 posts, RR: 23 Reply 1, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5372 times:
Air Canada serves LGA, EWR, and JFK. I believe it has been serving all three for some time. While LGA is typically a domestic airport, it's not really an issue for Air Canada because of pre-clearance on the Canadian side. All three airports have their distinct markets, of course, and each of them is enough to warrant continuing Canadian service despite all kinds of other changes in the industry over the years.
Or did your question ONLY pertain to service in the 70's?
ghYHZ From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 200 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5262 times:
Yes, Air Canada had a DC9 operating YHZ-BOS-JFK in the ‘70s.
Halifax didn’t have pre-clearance then and I don’t know if the usual routine then was to have all passengers clear US Customs in BOS before continuing onto JFK or not…….The one time I was on this flight in June 1974, we overflew BOS (due to fog) and went direct to JFK.
Air Canada was using the British Airways Terminal (or was it BOAC in ’74?) where I cleared customs. AC planed to drop us off in BOS on the return flight to YHZ but I was going to New Haven anyway so just want into Manhattan and took a train from GCT……actually arriving there before my Amtrak train from BOS would have!
Air Canada (Air Nova) also operated a Bae146 YHZ-EWR in the ‘90s.
voodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 1962 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5195 times:
Flew AC (Vanguard) to JFK from YUL when I was a kid in 1966, fwiw. Back then they used a real dumpy low-ceiling shack of a terminal at Kennedy. Can't recall if there was pre-clearence at YUL then. Guessing not.
Also did the YHZ-(BOS)-JFK DC-9 route in 1974. And did indeed clear customs/immigration in BOS as per ghYHZ description.
poLOT From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1497 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5068 times:
Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 1): Air Canada serves LGA, EWR, and JFK. I believe it has been serving all three for some time
AC only returned to JFK this past May with a 3x daily flight to Toronto operated by Jazz after completely leaving the airport in April 2009. It primarily focuses on LGA for NYC traffic and EWR for beyond perimeter cities/Star connections with UA.
cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7702 posts, RR: 55 Reply 5, posted (10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4889 times:
Has Winnipeg ever had service to either coast of the US - BOS, JFK, California? Air Canada operated a weekly 747 to LHR in the 70s. It's pretty isolated these days, you go through YYZ heading to Europe or ORD / MSP / DEN heading to the US. In some ways I'm surprised it even has nonstop service to YUL.
Anyone know?
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tymnbalewne From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 912 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4694 times:
Terminal 7 at JFK was originally the BOAC/Air Canada terminal. At one time there was a metal plaque in the terminal that showed this and the name of the minor royal who opened the builiding.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21465 posts, RR: 24 Reply 8, posted (10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4640 times:
All international carriers serving LGA were forced to move to JFK (then IDL) soon after it opened. That included AC (then TCA). All AC flights to NYC used JFK for quite a few years. They were only permitted to move back to LGA sometime in the 1970s (except flights beyond the 1500 mile perimeter rule limit which stayed at JFK, before moving to EWR).
As already mentioned, AC used the BA terminal at JFK when it opened. I expect they were the most frequent operator at that terminal until they moved back to LGA.
brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 3170 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4596 times:
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5): In some ways I'm surprised it even has nonstop service to YUL.
I'm not as AC has a maintenance base in YWG plus there are no airports within 300 km of Winnipeg. I don't know if YWG would connect through YYC or YYZ. Can anybody enlighten me on if this is correct?
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4451 times:
Quoting brilondon (Reply 9): Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5):In some ways I'm surprised it even has nonstop service to YUL.
I'm not as AC has a maintenance base in YWG plus there are no airports within 300 km of Winnipeg. I don't know if YWG would connect through YYC or YYZ. Can anybody enlighten me on if this is correct?
Montreal & New York have a long cultural and economic connection. Don't forget Montreal was Canada's largest city until the 60s.
The mx base in YWG is still doing a lot of A319/A320 work for AC. When the JFK-YWG n/s was operating, it was usually continuing to YVR. This was also true for ORD-YWG.
Nearest AC destination to YWG is YQR (Regina), about 500 km to the west.
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4680 posts, RR: 23 Reply 13, posted (10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4401 times:
In November 1979 AC was operating the following flights to JFK:
AC 822 YYC-JFK 727-200 Dp 11:25am Ar 5:50pm Daily
AC 742 YUL-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 9:40am Ar 10:55am Daily
AC 748 YUL-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 5:25pm Ar 6:45 pm Daily
AC 754 YUL-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 9:55pm Ar 11:10pm Daily
AC 772 YYZ-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 10:30am Ar 11:50am Daily
AC 776 YYZ-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 2:25pm Ar 3:55pm Daily
AC 778 YYZ-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 5:45pm Ar 7:15pm Daily
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21465 posts, RR: 24 Reply 14, posted (10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4356 times:
Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 13): In November 1979 AC was operating the following flights to JFK:
AC 822 YYC-JFK 727-200 Dp 11:25am Ar 5:50pm Daily
AC 742 YUL-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 9:40am Ar 10:55am Daily
AC 748 YUL-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 5:25pm Ar 6:45 pm Daily
AC 754 YUL-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 9:55pm Ar 11:10pm Daily
AC 772 YYZ-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 10:30am Ar 11:50am Daily
AC 776 YYZ-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 2:25pm Ar 3:55pm Daily
AC 778 YYZ-JFK DC-9-30 Dp 5:45pm Ar 7:15pm Daily
AC had flights from YYZ and YUL to both LGA and JFK then. By 1982 or so all YYZ/YUL flights had moved to LGA, leaving only the YYC flight at JFK. That flight was dropped sometime in the mid-80s (it's in a 1983 OAG but not 1985).
longhauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4277 posts, RR: 36 Reply 18, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3811 times:
To add to the gaps above:
Trans-Canada Air Lines started service to La Guardia International Airport on 30 April, 1941 using Lockheed Lodestar aircraft for a mail-only service. Passenger service started 10 May, 1941, also using Lockheed Lodestars.
This service was upgraded to DC-3, and Canadair DC-4M aircraft as demand warranted, and aircraft became available.
YUL-LGA service started 01 April, 1950, using DC-4Ms.
All New York operations were transferred from LGA to IDL, (which became JFK) on 02 Mar, 1952.
Bristol 31 Freighter service started on 21 Dec, 1953, YYZ-IDL and YUL-IDL. This ended in 1955 with the introduction of all cargo DC-4Ms.
Viscount 724s were introduced on YYZ-IDL 04 April, 1955 (The first passenger turbo-prop service in the US). YUL-IDL started on 08 Aug, 1955.
At that time competition was fierce against AA YYZ-NYC, and EA YUL-NYC. Vanguard 952s were added YYZ/YUL-NYC when available, competing against the L-188s of AA and EA. When the DC-9s were introduced, the US routes were among the first to see the aircraft. YYZ-JFK, YUL-JFK, as well as ORD and TPA.
As noted by previous messages, service to LGA was re-introduced, as well as EWR was added. Just about everything AC had eventually flew into LGA, right up to the DC-8-61/63 and the B767-300ER!
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connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 19, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3795 times:
Quoting longhauler (Reply 18): Bristol 31 Freighter service started on 21 Dec, 1953, YYZ-IDL and YUL-IDL. This ended in 1955 with the introduction of all cargo DC-4Ms.
Great story about the Freighter: TCA pilot parks the beast at IDL and was walking across the ramp when accosted by an AA pilot:
"You fly that thing here?"
"Yep, came in from YUL."
"You make it yourself ?"
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21465 posts, RR: 24 Reply 22, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3548 times:
Quoting longhauler (Reply 18): Just about everything AC had eventually flew into LGA, right up to the DC-8-61/63 and the B767-300ER!
I'm not aware that DC-8s (and 707s) ever served LGA. I thought they were banned from LGA for noise or similar reasons. There are no photos in the A.net database of a 707 or DC-8 or any other 4-engine jet at LGA, except the Lockheed Jetstar business jet.
Quoting yyz717 (Reply 21): Quoting connies4ever (Reply 17):
Quoting timz (Reply 16):
(Think Winnipeg has had nonstops to HNL., tho.)
That's true. Way back, on a seasonal basis, there was a YYZ-YWG-HNL service, I believe with a dense-pack 747. 1x weekly.
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 24, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3462 times:
Quoting yyz717 (Reply 21): That was Wardair if memory serves?
AC's flights showed up in the printed sked. Also weekly YYZ-YYC-HNL and YYZ-YEG-HNL.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22): And those were charters, not scheduled services.
Correct.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
25 timz: I'll check, but I'll bet the OAG doesn't show any DC-8s at LGA. How long do you think it lasted? (I'll try to check Airport Activity Stats too, FWIW.
26 longhauler: Sorry about that, I tried to edit it, but true to Airliners.net form, it didn't work correctly, or in its entirety. In the summer of 1979, (I was out
27 timz: Can't figure out if you guys are agreeing there was a scheduled YWG-HNL nonstop at some point, in the OAG. If there was, when was it?
28 longhauler: YWG-HNL always was a charter, either flown by Air Canada, Wardair or Canada 3000 Airlines. The confusion was that with regard to Air Canada, it was a
29 brilondon: There was a Wardair flight but no scheduled service. Wardair also tried YXU-LHR but it either was very short lived or never got off the ground.
30 arrow: My first LGA-YYZ flight as a kid was on a TCA Canadair Northstar in the late 1950s -- I can still hear those Merlins howling in my ears. Subsequent f
31 connies4ever: Yup. No doubt the NS wins the prize for noisiest pax a/c ever, I think. YWG-YYC-YVR was about seven hours ttoal, and you were more or less deaf when
32 timz: After it got the crossover exhausts, you mean?
33 Viscount724: Convair 240 (AA the launch customer and by far the largest airline operator with 80 240s in service). I wonder if it was a through flight number but
34 maxpower1954: I'm with Viscount 724 on this one - 707/DC-8 scheduled ops have never occurred at LGA. And speaking as one with thousands of hours of DC-8 time and 25
35 doulasc: I don't know why there were never 707/DC-8 operations at LGA but there were DC-10s there with airlines like National.Come to think of it I don't thin
36 longhauler: Although I can understand your skepticism, I am 100% certain it was flown by a DC-8. Twice I flew to New York for the weekend that summer, and every
37 connies4ever: Yes, I have no recollection of the original arrangement. Which would have been worse, I suppose.
38 timz: The Feb-Mar-May-Sept-Oct 1979 OAGs show no AC flights
39 Viscount724: In the winter 1970-71 timetable it operated YUL-YWG-HNL. There was also a weekly DC-8 YEG-HNL in that schedule. Can't find a 1977 timetable but the w
40 superjeff: DC8's and 707's can't serve LGA - runways can't handle them. The DC10's and L1011's could, because they were specifically designed to handle LGA's sh
41 Viscount724: The November 15, 1979 OAG (from departedflights.com) shows 3 AC flights YYZ-LGA (2 D9S and 1 72S) and 3 YYZ-JFK (all D9S). From YUL there were 2 to L
42 timz: Yeah, bad typing-- I meant to say no AC YYZ-LGA flights in those OAGs. Didn't check YUL. Probably we all agree 707/DC8s can use 7000 ft runways? So yo
44 timz: 707s used MKC's 7000-ft runway starting in 1959. Dunno of any 707s scheduled into SAC, but WA 720Bs used the 6000-ft runway there. 707s and DC-8s flew
45 longhauler: I give up. There's an old Newfie expression, "You can't tell a Heinz pickle nothing". Taken from an old advertisement, basically, it means if you not
46 RobertS975: I grew up in a Long island community which allowed me the pleasure of watching JFK (Idlewild back then) traffic approaching 22L and 22R from my front
47 ElPistolero: MIght have msised the answer to this somewhere in this thread, but why did AC choose to go back to LGA instead of staying at JFK. (I ask for selfish
48 tymnbalewne: I believe only one 4-engine jet ever landed at LGA, and that was the aircraft that brought home the body of Robert Kennedy. I'd be VERY curious to se
49 poLOT: LGA is closer to downtown and generally is preferred by business travelers.
50 bobloblaw: I believe Eastern flew YUL-JFK and LGA. For a shot while in the mid 1970s EA had an ever other hour shuttle to YUL from LGA, but didnt last long. Does
51 Viscount724: For some reason the code YYZ disappeared in my reply above. The 2nd sentence should read: In the winter 1970-70 timeable it operated YUL-YYZ-YWG-HNL.
52 Viscount724: AC (then TCA) never wanted to move to JFK (then IDL) in the first place but all international flights were forced to move soon after IDL opened.
53 etops1: I remember seeing an AirCanada 767-200 in LGA from time to time .
54 timz: That's what Wikipedia says, isn't it? They're more influential than people give them credit for.
56 tymnbalewne: Yes it does and it's correct. http://flytristar.tripod.com/pagebackup/history.html
57 timz: The Wikipedia article on LGA says FAA has rules on what aircraft can fly to LGA-- it says 14 CFR section 193, but doesn't seem to be there. Are slot c
58 longhauler: In looking at my Father's DC-8 performance manuals for La Guardia, I happened onto a memo from Air Canada Flight Operations to DC-8 Captains about th
60 Viscount724: I can't find a single photo of any 4-engine jet airliners at LGA.
61 tymnbalewne: Here is RFK's body being returned to NY: http://www.britishpathe.com/video/stills/kennedys-body-at-airport Here's a news report indicating it to be L
62 maxpower1954: Longhauler, I'm sorry I ever doubted you. Actually, I thought it was a case of false memory - I have lots of those, for example I once believed Nation
63 longhauler: I hate to tell you of the instances of False Memory that I regularly encounter. Having just hit 50, I am guessing it isn't going to get any better. B
64 maxpower1954: No, my National DC-9 memory was long before Southeast Airlines used the SunKing logo - like back in the 1970s. Probably saw a Northeast DC-9 that mag
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