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EK To Launch Adelaide, Lyon & Warsaw  
User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 738 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16723 times:

Great to see EK expanding once again.
Adelaide was rumoured for a while

"DUBAI, U.A.E., 4th July 2012 – Emirates is embarking on a major expansion of its route network with three additional destinations to be launched in the next six months, on top of the 12 new routes already being rolled out in 2012.
From 1st November, Emirates will launch four weekly flights to Adelaide, rising to a daily service from 1st February 2013. Adelaide will be the airline’s fifth destination in Australia which is currently served with 70 flights per week.
The airline’s current double-daily service to Perth will grow to 19 weekly flights from 1st December, becoming a triple daily operation from 1st March next year.
On the western side of the globe, the French city of Lyon will be added to the Emirates’ network from 5th December, the carrier’s third point in France after Paris and Nice. Emirates will operate five weekly flights to this vibrant economic and tourism centre of south eastern France.
From 6th February 2013, Emirates will begin flights into Poland, where recently the World bank predicted the highest economic growth in the Central and Eastern European region. The airline will operate a daily service to the capital, Warsaw."

http://www.emirates.com/english/abou...ws/news_detail.aspx?article=914489

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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2497 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16433 times:

Quoting santos (Thread starter):
the French city of Lyon will be added to the Emirates’ network from 5th December,

What is the current limitation on the bilateral France-UAE? I believe there is a limitation on total frequencies, but not number of destinations? LYS makes sense, as it has been increasingly ignored by AF in favor of CDG in the past years - a pity, as they had a superb regional hub there.


User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16211 times:

Why haven't they launched Marseille flights yet? Is it because they fly into Nice?

User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16189 times:

ADL has been rumored in this forum since i can remember. however LYS and WAW are very nice surprises, specially LYS i never imagine that one. WAW is easier to understand because is the capital of a big country and a fast developing economy.

AF must be happy this week, second daily A380 to CDG and LYS soon.... they keep growing in Europe when we are all thinking here about places like Detroit, Miami, Mexico.....


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2786 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16147 times:

ADL is huge news. Congrats.

The increase for PER will make things very interesting. With QR now flying there, and EY said to be looking at starting flights, things may get messy 


User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 865 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 15870 times:

LYS is the second city in France, and an important industrial centre. But only 50mn by road from GVA. And as EK already serves GVA daily with 77W/77L, I would imagine that TLS or MRS would have been the priority.

However, the yield at LYS is higher than any other French regional cities, and the business demand is important. So it is I believe a strategic choice, with many potential pax to Asia.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15431 times:

Great news and all three were expected. I wouldn't surprised if Lyon service is subsidised by the airport as they were eager to have a ME connection.


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User currently onlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7934 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15022 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 6):
I wouldn't surprised if Lyon service is subsidised by the airport as they were eager to have a ME connection.

I don't know if this really counts as a Middle East destination. Of course, Dubai is in the Middle East, but it's the very last stop (except maybe for Muscat), so unless your destination is the United Arab Emirates (or Oman), you'll be backtracking to get to where you want to go. I would think most people in Lyons heading to the Middle East would be heading, firstly, to Lebanon, followed by Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq etc. My guess is most Lyons-originating punters will be heading further east, to the Subcontinent or SE Asia or Australia, or south to Africa.

Big surprise to me is that EK can do PER twice a day and within six months will be flying three times a day. That's a lot of seats for a small city (pop 1.7 million).



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14864 times:

Presumably WAW and LYS are A332 and ADL is 77L or A345?


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User currently offlineflyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14837 times:

http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...pride-of-lyon-poised-to-grow-77326

Ironically enough, this was just discussed recently at CAPA.



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14821 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
I don't know if this really counts as a Middle East destination. Of course, Dubai is in the Middle East, but it's the very last stop (except maybe for Muscat), so unless your destination is the United Arab Emirates (or Oman), you'll be backtracking to get to where you want to go. I would think most people in Lyons heading to the Middle East would be heading, firstly, to Lebanon, followed by Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq etc. My guess is most Lyons-originating punters will be heading further east, to the Subcontinent or SE Asia or Australia, or south to Africa.

Exactly what I meant. A Mid East connection - as it facilitates connectivity throughout the ME and APAC regions at reasonable fares. A big plus for a small airport that wants to claim a larger long haul role.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
Big surprise to me is that EK can do PER twice a day and within six months will be flying three times a day. That's a lot of seats for a small city (pop 1.7 million).

EK has developed a very good presence at PER leveraging its first-mover advantage. And building on that solid base, I do not see any difficulty for them to fill the third daily. And they are being conservative enough to go from a five weekly to a daily - sounds very sensible.



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User currently offlineT8KE0FF From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 409 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14657 times:

I've been waiting for EK to start ADL for such a long time now, I'm so happy this day has finally come!!

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 8):
Presumably WAW and LYS are A332 and ADL is 77L or A345?

ADL will be with a 777-300ER, LYS will be A345(!) and WAW will be an A332.



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User currently onlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14582 times:

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 11):
LYS will be A345(!)

The 10-strong EK A345 fleet has been deployed on missions such as this one for quite a while now. Ever since the nonstop DXB BNE was upgauged from A345 to B77W, there is not single ULH flight is the A345s flying program at EK, and the aircraft are often used for routes that are transitioning towards eventual B77W deployment.


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13948 times:

Lyon

EK081 DXB LYS 1435 1900
EK082 LYS DXB 2055 0615+1

5 times weekly with A345. This is the first European destinations that has its single outbound frequency in the afternoon bank, undoubtedly a result of the increasing congestion issues in the morning. It is the second European flight (after Lisbon) with its single inbound frequency in the early morning bank. Connectivity is still very good.


Warsaw

EK179 DXB WAW 0730 1045
EK180 WAW DXB 1350 2215

Daily with A332. Schedules for this flight fit the traditional pattern for primary European flights, but the return is quite early, because of the relatively short flying time and that will lead to increased connecting times.


Adelaide

EK440 DXB ADL 0155 2045
EK441 ADL DXB 2245 0545+1

4 weekly and later daily with B77W. Schedule is built mainly for European connectivity although the flight connects well to the entire EK network.


Perth

EK422 DXB PER 2145 1225+1
EK423 PER DXB 1530 2225

Third daily service. 5 weekly and later daily with B77W. This flight has seemingly little connectivity. Both flights connect to the third daily European banks, which are still very much in a build up stage.


User currently offlineloveofflying From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13771 times:

I was excited about Warsaw... Until I saw that it will be a A330-200. Boo!!!!

When will this be bookable do you think?



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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13624 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 13):
5 times weekly with A345. This is the first European destinations that has its single outbound frequency in the afternoon bank, undoubtedly a result of the increasing congestion issues in the morning. It is the second European flight (after Lisbon) with its single inbound frequency in the early morning bank. Connectivity is still very good.

I guess we can see new LYS flight a sort of complementary GVA' schedule.
Flight to LYS is in a certain way the GVA's evening missing flight.

LYS is less than 100 km far from GVA, so many people could find useful to take an outbound flight from GVA and an inbound into LYS or vv.


User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1747 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13580 times:

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 5):
LYS is the second city in France, and an important industrial centre. But only 50mn by road from GVA. And as EK already serves GVA daily with 77W/77L, I would imagine that TLS or MRS would have been the priority.
TLS and MRS have virtually no market potential compared to LYS. Lyon is the industrial hub of France with a lot of business links with the Middle East, South East Asia and Japan. EK had announced this route more than two years ago. I wonder why they took so long to start it.

@LIPZ

LYS is less than 100 km far from GVA, so many people could find useful to take an outbound flight from GVA and an inbound into LYS or vv


GVA is a good 113 kms from LYS and it takes more than two hours to do the route during rush hour.

[Edited 2012-07-04 10:53:47]

[Edited 2012-07-04 10:54:37]


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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13391 times:

With narrow bodies EK could take on alot more places, why are they hesitant to go that way?

[Edited 2012-07-04 11:09:55]

User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1732 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13058 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
Big surprise to me is that EK can do PER twice a day and within six months will be flying three times a day. That's a lot of seats for a small city (pop 1.7 million).

PER is isolated from the world. Perhaps that is why it is desirable to fly there.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 16):
GVA is a good 113 kms from LYS and it takes more than two hours to do the route during rush hour.

Two hours is not that much!

Quoting 777way (Reply 17):
With narrow bodies EK could take on alot more places, why are they hesitant to go that way?

EK already flies everywhere almost... With all the 777s and A380s coming out of the over, well see them in your regional airport soon!



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13019 times:

I never cease to be amazed by EK's expansion! Congrats to WAW, LYS and ADL. I think ADL was really just a matter of time and, well, the time has come at last!

Quoting loveofflying (Reply 14):

I was excited about Warsaw... Until I saw that it will be a A330-200. Boo!!!!

Hehe, what were you expecting?



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12939 times:

They are also said to have gained approval for twice weekly service to Multan in Pakistan, but will fly there when the new terminal is completed, no foreign carrier serves this city yet, could be just a rumor though.

User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12940 times:

Great news!

Quoting 777way (Reply 17):
With Narrow bodies EK could take on alot more places.

EK signature suites would not make sense in the narrow bodies...


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12868 times:

^ They would offer a regional J class or even a Y+ besides Y on the aircraft.

User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12769 times:

WOW. I honestly did not expect an increase for PER with QR around now. I guess EK are trying to put up a fight and keep EY out of the market. Then again, over the peak periods EK have been throwing on the odd 3rd daily service, so the demand is definitely there.

Congratulations to ADL too!


User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1747 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11968 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 18):
Two hours is not that much!

In your opinion, maybe. But when it takes only about two hours to fly from LYS to any other Euro hub and board a connection to DXB or anywhere else, nobody is going to opt to fly EK to GVA and spend two hours sitting in a car.

There is a reason EK is introducing this flight. They ain't foolish.



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25 Viscount724 : The shortest route by road between the city centers of GVA and LYS is about 150 km (93 miles). If you can do that in 50 minutes you're risking a very
26 Sydscott : Good news for ADL! SQ and CX increases and now EK into the market. Makes QF's less than daily ADL-SIN service even more uncompetitive. C'mon Simon Hi
27 Ben175 : QF have downgraded PER-SIN from a 333 to a 332 on alot of the flights. Pretty abysmal when SQ have announced they will go 4 x daily and upgrade SQ 22
28 runway23 : I have to say I'm somewhat dumbfounded by the use of an A345 to Lyon. Lyon has historically not had much premium demand (at least compared to say GVA
29 ricknroll : I have heard Perth referred to as the most isolated city on earth. The interesting thing about Perth is the massive investments going into it now, an
30 Post contains images eljonno : Great news for ADL. It's by far my favourite place on the entire planet! Now start sending some A380s to Gatwick and I will never find a reason to tra
31 Post contains links Quokkas : When I started a thread about three weeks ago discussing ADL, Emirates Considering Adelaide (by Quokkas Jun 16 2012 in Civil Aviation) I never imagine
32 carpethead : Yikes, about the only other major worldwide city not served double daily by EK is Tokyo. The announcement is probably just around the corner. Does EK
33 HB-IWC : NRT was just a couple of days ago upgauged to A388. I presume that HND service may be added rather than a second daily NRT if EK can fit the HND sche
34 QatarA340 : I would rather spend 2 hours on a car than: going to an airport two hours prior to a flight+the 15-20 minute journey TO the airport, the actual fligh
35 Post contains images lightsaber : Wow. This is a much larger announcement than I expected from EK! I'm not sure where to start... How about with me eating a bit of crow. I recently pos
36 Quokkas : Here I agree and would have expected OSL before WAW. Kiev (KBP) is served by FZ so perhaps EK don't wish to compete or they feel that the yields are
37 AirGabon : Now to France, EK will have to CDG nearly 19 weekly flights (2 A380 + 5 77W), a daily flight to NCE (A345) and 5 weekly flights to LYS (A345). So for
38 HB-IWC : The second CPT will be back on December 01. It is only temporarily suspended because of delayed A388 deliveries.
39 LIPZ : Does anyone know why they drop the 3rd to FCO eff from Oct? Do they need the A332 anywhere else?[Edited 2012-07-05 04:23:53]
40 SSTsomeday : Is it any wonder that Qantas is in such trouble? WIth respect, I don't know why you are amazed. This is exactly what Emirates is planning to do with
41 lightsaber : I'm going to re-ask my questino in a different way. How much room is there for expansion at EK's primary waves once concourse 3 is complete? Is there
42 777way : EK cargo however do since a decade, initially multistop with a 742F in basic Atlas livery no logo/titles, now nonstop with EK livery 744F.[Edited 2012
43 BuyantUkhaa : WAW does not have much intercontinental going east, just the new BJS flight (previously HAN). If you want to fly (far) East, you need to backtrack vi
44 Post contains links Quokkas : I managed to uncover the following: A 2006 MOU is located at www.ambafrance-eau.org/IMG/20060201-2.pdf ; In 2011 UAE Interact ( http://www.uaeinterac
45 vincewy : Also between 9 pm and midnight. The last flight I took had to park at T1 due to the congestion, they need to finish Concourse 3 ASAP. They already do
46 lightsaber : Which makes me wonder how they will exit the EK fleet. Do you happen to know when they need their D-Checks? 2013 or later? Thank you. Good find. I ap
47 Quokkas : As far as I am aware EK and EY are the only UAE carriers offering scheduled services to France at present. Air Arabia, flydubai and RAK Airways (the
48 lightsaber : It is interesting how FlyDubai sticks to under 5 hour missions to avoid paying for crew hotels as part of their model. So not 100% applicable on a th
49 Quokkas : It occured to me that Air Arabia have been operating flights from Casablanca as Air Arabia Maroc. Whether these would count as part of the UAE allowa
50 Post contains links and images ElPistolero : Not surprised by Warsaw and Adelaide, but a fair bit surprised by Lyon. Not so long ago, AC was listing the French government as one of those governme
51 vincewy : All the measures protecting AC are complete waste of time, people will find ways to fly with EK. When flying EK 201/202, many were connecting to YYZ
52 777way : I meant with EK branding like QR do instead of setting up an LCC, it makes a world of difference.
53 Viscount724 : Australia's population is over 22 million. Canada about 34 million.
54 ElPistolero : Just a slight lack of clarity on my part - should have written: 10 million lower (or 33% less) than Canada's. I can see how one might misinterpret th
55 AirlineCritic : I certainly cheer them, or anyone else doing an efficient job, innovating better business models, and driving the cost of transport down. In the end,
56 Delta777Jet : Quite sure, Warsaw will be upgraded very soon to at least 777-300. There is a lot of demand to the Middle East, Asia, Australia etc. and currently all
57 Tupolev160 : I kind of doubt that. Especially the "at least". 77L, yes, maybe. 77W, hard to believe, very hard. I would say daily 332 at best. Btw, any opinion on
58 Viscount724 : Does Mexico even have any bilaterals with the UAE or other countries in the Middle East? The Mexican government is traditionally quite protective of
59 talktocharlie : I hope they have flights from Auckland to Adelaide
60 EddieDude : I know. In the particular case of EK, I think there are many factors. For starters, there is little demand for travel between Mexico, on the one hand
61 AirIndia : Makes me think about the new acronym (new BRIC) MINT! Mexico, Indonesia, Nigeria & Turkey............
62 Tupolev160 : Thank you for your detailed answer!
63 CRJ900 : If the A345s are no longer used on ULH, are they planning on removing those lavish First class suites and put more seats in? 275-300 seats should mak
64 Quokkas : EK likes to sell itself on providing a superior experience in its premium cabins so I would not expect downgrading the A345 to either the old-fashion
65 Viscount724 : EK's 2-3-2 J cabin on their A330-200s and A340-300s is very 2nd rate. They must be virtually the only major carrier with a 7-abreast J configuration
66 ElPistolero : Agreed. I think they' were relatively slow in getting their act together in the premium segment market - their premium products were poor during the
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