santos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 743 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 17485 times:
Great to see EK expanding once again.
Adelaide was rumoured for a while
"DUBAI, U.A.E., 4th July 2012 – Emirates is embarking on a major expansion of its route network with three additional destinations to be launched in the next six months, on top of the 12 new routes already being rolled out in 2012.
From 1st November, Emirates will launch four weekly flights to Adelaide, rising to a daily service from 1st February 2013. Adelaide will be the airline’s fifth destination in Australia which is currently served with 70 flights per week.
The airline’s current double-daily service to Perth will grow to 19 weekly flights from 1st December, becoming a triple daily operation from 1st March next year.
On the western side of the globe, the French city of Lyon will be added to the Emirates’ network from 5th December, the carrier’s third point in France after Paris and Nice. Emirates will operate five weekly flights to this vibrant economic and tourism centre of south eastern France.
From 6th February 2013, Emirates will begin flights into Poland, where recently the World bank predicted the highest economic growth in the Central and Eastern European region. The airline will operate a daily service to the capital, Warsaw."
r2rho From Spain, joined Feb 2007, 3121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 17195 times:
Quoting santos (Thread starter): the French city of Lyon will be added to the Emirates’ network from 5th December,
What is the current limitation on the bilateral France-UAE? I believe there is a limitation on total frequencies, but not number of destinations? LYS makes sense, as it has been increasingly ignored by AF in favor of CDG in the past years - a pity, as they had a superb regional hub there.
migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 2418 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 16951 times:
ADL has been rumored in this forum since i can remember. however LYS and WAW are very nice surprises, specially LYS i never imagine that one. WAW is easier to understand because is the capital of a big country and a fast developing economy.
AF must be happy this week, second daily A380 to CDG and LYS soon.... they keep growing in Europe when we are all thinking here about places like Detroit, Miami, Mexico.....
AirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 915 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 16632 times:
LYS is the second city in France, and an important industrial centre. But only 50mn by road from GVA. And as EK already serves GVA daily with 77W/77L, I would imagine that TLS or MRS would have been the priority.
However, the yield at LYS is higher than any other French regional cities, and the business demand is important. So it is I believe a strategic choice, with many potential pax to Asia.
cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15784 times:
Quoting KFlyer (Reply 6): I wouldn't surprised if Lyon service is subsidised by the airport as they were eager to have a ME connection.
I don't know if this really counts as a Middle East destination. Of course, Dubai is in the Middle East, but it's the very last stop (except maybe for Muscat), so unless your destination is the United Arab Emirates (or Oman), you'll be backtracking to get to where you want to go. I would think most people in Lyons heading to the Middle East would be heading, firstly, to Lebanon, followed by Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq etc. My guess is most Lyons-originating punters will be heading further east, to the Subcontinent or SE Asia or Australia, or south to Africa.
Big surprise to me is that EK can do PER twice a day and within six months will be flying three times a day. That's a lot of seats for a small city (pop 1.7 million).
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
KFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15583 times:
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7): I don't know if this really counts as a Middle East destination. Of course, Dubai is in the Middle East, but it's the very last stop (except maybe for Muscat), so unless your destination is the United Arab Emirates (or Oman), you'll be backtracking to get to where you want to go. I would think most people in Lyons heading to the Middle East would be heading, firstly, to Lebanon, followed by Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq etc. My guess is most Lyons-originating punters will be heading further east, to the Subcontinent or SE Asia or Australia, or south to Africa.
Exactly what I meant. A Mid East connection - as it facilitates connectivity throughout the ME and APAC regions at reasonable fares. A big plus for a small airport that wants to claim a larger long haul role.
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7): Big surprise to me is that EK can do PER twice a day and within six months will be flying three times a day. That's a lot of seats for a small city (pop 1.7 million).
EK has developed a very good presence at PER leveraging its first-mover advantage. And building on that solid base, I do not see any difficulty for them to fill the third daily. And they are being conservative enough to go from a five weekly to a daily - sounds very sensible.
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The 10-strong EK A345 fleet has been deployed on missions such as this one for quite a while now. Ever since the nonstop DXB BNE was upgauged from A345 to B77W, there is not single ULH flight is the A345s flying program at EK, and the aircraft are often used for routes that are transitioning towards eventual B77W deployment.
HB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4561 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14710 times:
EK081 DXB LYS 1435 1900
EK082 LYS DXB 2055 0615+1
5 times weekly with A345. This is the first European destinations that has its single outbound frequency in the afternoon bank, undoubtedly a result of the increasing congestion issues in the morning. It is the second European flight (after Lisbon) with its single inbound frequency in the early morning bank. Connectivity is still very good.
EK179 DXB WAW 0730 1045
EK180 WAW DXB 1350 2215
Daily with A332. Schedules for this flight fit the traditional pattern for primary European flights, but the return is quite early, because of the relatively short flying time and that will lead to increased connecting times.
EK440 DXB ADL 0155 2045
EK441 ADL DXB 2245 0545+1
4 weekly and later daily with B77W. Schedule is built mainly for European connectivity although the flight connects well to the entire EK network.
EK422 DXB PER 2145 1225+1
EK423 PER DXB 1530 2225
Third daily service. 5 weekly and later daily with B77W. This flight has seemingly little connectivity. Both flights connect to the third daily European banks, which are still very much in a build up stage.
LIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14386 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 13): 5 times weekly with A345. This is the first European destinations that has its single outbound frequency in the afternoon bank, undoubtedly a result of the increasing congestion issues in the morning. It is the second European flight (after Lisbon) with its single inbound frequency in the early morning bank. Connectivity is still very good.
I guess we can see new LYS flight a sort of complementary GVA' schedule.
Flight to LYS is in a certain way the GVA's evening missing flight.
LYS is less than 100 km far from GVA, so many people could find useful to take an outbound flight from GVA and an inbound into LYS or vv.
DIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1884 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14342 times:
Quoting AirGabon (Reply 5): LYS is the second city in France, and an important industrial centre. But only 50mn by road from GVA. And as EK already serves GVA daily with 77W/77L, I would imagine that TLS or MRS would have been the priority.
TLS and MRS have virtually no market potential compared to LYS. Lyon is the industrial hub of France with a lot of business links with the Middle East, South East Asia and Japan. EK had announced this route more than two years ago. I wonder why they took so long to start it.
LYS is less than 100 km far from GVA, so many people could find useful to take an outbound flight from GVA and an inbound into LYS or vv
GVA is a good 113 kms from LYS and it takes more than two hours to do the route during rush hour.
[Edited 2012-07-04 10:53:47]
[Edited 2012-07-04 10:54:37]
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777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 7506 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 13701 times:
They are also said to have gained approval for twice weekly service to Multan in Pakistan, but will fly there when the new terminal is completed, no foreign carrier serves this city yet, could be just a rumor though.
Ben175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 13531 times:
WOW. I honestly did not expect an increase for PER with QR around now. I guess EK are trying to put up a fight and keep EY out of the market. Then again, over the peak periods EK have been throwing on the odd 3rd daily service, so the demand is definitely there.
In your opinion, maybe. But when it takes only about two hours to fly from LYS to any other Euro hub and board a connection to DXB or anywhere else, nobody is going to opt to fly EK to GVA and spend two hours sitting in a car.
There is a reason EK is introducing this flight. They ain't foolish.
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