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KL Phased Out First MD-11  
User currently offlineWouterB From Netherlands, joined Oct 2008, 37 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 21454 times:

PH-KCH flew its last flight on monday, from AMS to DEL and back to AMS.

Article (Dutch): http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nl-NL...KLM_begonnen_met_uitfasering_MD-11

Does anyone know where these MD-11's will end up?

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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 21434 times:

Maybe too old/too many cycles for cargo conversion in the light that some MD11Fs have been parked recently. Could be the first MD11 going to the scrappers.

User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5302 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 21292 times:

Quoting WouterB (Thread starter):
Does anyone know where these MD-11's will end up?

Iran?  


User currently onlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4358 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 21287 times:

Indeed PH-KCH and KCI (due wfu sept 2012) will be flown to the USA and scrapped. they are due for a D-check and with the cargo market in a slumb noone wants them anymore.
Usual suspects like UPS and FedEx stopped picking up old MD-11s and they are buying other types now, a few years ago they would have bought them but that ship has sailed.



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 21123 times:

I am a bit surprised as these are some of the latest built KLM frames from 1995.

User currently offlineFlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 21068 times:

Is it known when the last MD-11 will retire? I HAVE to fly one before it's too late! I was hoping that I could wait until the summer of 2013 as I will have graduated by then.


If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much.
User currently offlineWouterB From Netherlands, joined Oct 2008, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 20927 times:

According to the article, the last one will be phased out at the end of 2014.

I was lucky to fly on PH-KCI four years ago. I flew from GYE to AMS, so actually that were three flights at that time   (GYE-UIO, UIO-BON, BON-AMS).


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3836 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 20606 times:

Since KLM is an airline that recognizes aviation enthusiasts to a high degree, do you think we can expect them to do some sort of enthusiast's flights in the end?

Soren   



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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 20191 times:

Call me little crazy - I find KLM MD-11s fascinating


Check out the KLM MD-11 "movie" photo album I created:
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?album=7711

[Edited 2012-07-04 09:51:24]


Airliners.net of the Future
User currently onlineFerminios From Canada, joined Apr 2011, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 19883 times:

Sad to see these birds go, they are great to fly on. Although I have been fortunate enough to be on these birds multipe times, I still think that I will schedule AMS - YUL - YYC - YUL- AMS for next summer.  

User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 19644 times:

Dam, I flew "Anna Pavlova" back in 1997 to Quito. Sad to see her go ... 

User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 19141 times:

Very Very sad day for me personally. I have flown the KCH multiple times in my life, and one particular cockpit flight (AUA-AMS) 10 years ago, made me become what i am today. Sad to see my fav. aircraft leaving the fleet... I know its just a piece of metal, but for sure a great one.

User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 18515 times:

KLM has the MD-11 to LAX on the summer schedule right now- when do they switch back to their regular equipment? I'd like to get another good look at one if I can.

User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 18474 times:

What will replace the MD11?

User currently onlinenitepilot79 From Turkey, joined May 2008, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 18203 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7):
Since KLM is an airline that recognizes aviation enthusiasts to a high degree, do you think we can expect them to do some sort of enthusiast's flights in the end?

Hope so! Long live the MD-11!



En Buyuk Turkiye, Baska Buyuk Yok!
User currently offlinecat3dual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 18130 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 13):
What will replace the MD11?

A330-300 and 777-300ER apparently.

Do KLM have any options outstanding for the A330 or 777?


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 18133 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 13):
What will replace the MD11?

A mix of 777s and A330s. The fleet has grown quite a lot in recent years.

The demise of the last pax-MD11s makes me wonder when KLMs first 744 is going to be retired.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17704 times:

The 25 789 that they have on order, are they for growth or replacements?

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17537 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 17):

The 25 789 that they have on order, are they for growth or replacements?

Growth as well as replacing older 744Ms and later 772s I would say. To replace the MD11s the 787s are too late.


User currently offlineGregsterYUL From Canada, joined Oct 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17379 times:

I love seeing them here at YUL but last summer the MD-11s were a nightmare for KLM as they went tech many times during peak season(2-3 times a week). At one point last summer there were 2 KLM MD-11s parked at Air Canada's hanger... This summer is so far so good

User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 17176 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 17):
The 25 789 that they have on order, are they for growth or replacements?

They are mainly for 747 replacement, but also for the A330's on a longer term.. the current 77W's and A330's on order are really a temporary solution untill the 787's start to arrive. Most of the Airbusses have short leasing terms on them (somewhat like 5 years) so KLM can be flexible with its fleet decisions the upcomming years.

They intended to replace the MD-11's with the 787's on a one-on-one base, but due to all the delays and the ricing fuell price+ a change of business plan, KLM decided to retire the MD's some 2 to 3 years earlier.

On the longer term the A350 will most likely replace the T7's, but i expect that will take atleast another 6/7 years before we will see the first one leaving the fleet.

Quoting na (Reply 18):
Growth as well as replacing older 744Ms and later 772s I would say. To replace the MD11s the 787s are too late.

I don't think we can expect a lot of growth the upcomming years.. AF-KL made some hugh losses, and is stil losing millions a day. KLM needs to reduce the yearly costs by 700 mil. and a part of that includes shrinking of the European fleet and to set up a new way of handling things. Also HV will play a bigger role in the AF-KL fleet, so if there is any growth, its most likely only at Transavia

 


User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 672 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 16913 times:

Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 5):
Is it known when the last MD-11 will retire? I HAVE to fly one before it's too late! I was hoping that I could wait until the summer of 2013 as I will have graduated by then.

Agreed.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7):
do you think we can expect them to do some sort of enthusiast's flights in the end?

I severely hope so... I'll contact them on that very matter...



Roger roger, what's our vector, victor?
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 16463 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 12):
KLM has the MD-11 to LAX on the summer schedule right now- when do they switch back to their regular equipment? I'd like to get another good look at one if I can.

The MD-11 is the 2nd flight for the summer. KL still has their daily 744 at LAX.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinelouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14020 times:

I was lucky enough to fly their MD-11 when they had them on the AMS - ACC flights. Such a great plane, sad they are all slowly going.


RyEng
User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12543 times:

Another step in the inevitable march towards the total disappearance of interesting and beautiful old aircraft types..  


'What's it doing now?'
25 sk907 : It was inevitable that the MD-11 had to leave the KLM fleet at some point. Luckily, I have been on nine of these lovely birds, KCA, KCB, KCC, KCD, KCE
26 B747forever : It is sad to see them retiring the MD11. At least I have had the pleasure of flying on KCA. It alternates between the 744 and 74M.
27 DrColenzo : Darn it, Whilst I flew countless DC-10s during the 1980s, I've never been on an MD-11. When are KLM planning on retiring the type completely?
28 bueb0g : By the end of 2014 - we still have time!
29 DrColenzo : Right then, I has just, (involuntary like so many on A-Net) converted from BMI & Star Alliance to BA and OneWorld and I am therefore looking for a
30 na : I´m in Northern Holland next month, maybe I´ll have to spend a few hours at Schiphol then.
31 Post contains images EPA001 : Me too. I have always had a soft sport for the tri-jets, especially the L-1011. . Of course. Still it gives me a bit of a sad feeling. But nowadays i
32 mixalakhs : I am glad, as I never liked the MD-11's. I am flying to San Francisco twice a year and the past few years, I was avoiding KLM as KLM was and is using
33 amsspot : I was wondering if someone had asked this question on their Facebook wall yet and it turned out someone already had. KLM replied to this question wit
34 DrColenzo : Why not? I am not being facetious here, as I am the same with long distance travel on an A340 and prefer the 747-400. Indeed, I did a work trip to th
35 travelavnut : I don't like them either. They look absolutely awesome, don't get me wrong. But I really like good flying machines, that by design are a great and ve
36 travelavnut : So it had actually nothing to do with the aircraft type, but rather the position of your seat, correct?
37 RWA380 : I highly suggest to take any opportunity to fly the M11, I've flown DL's multiple times, TG's twice and KL's twice, all the flights were great to awe
38 Post contains images mixalakhs : First of all, in my eyes, the MD-11 except of being a very ugly aircraft, it also looks very very old. Only by looking those winds, compare with B777
39 DrColenzo : On that occasion, very much so! However, I have never really liked the space in an A340/A330, just my thing. I always prefer flying the 777 or the 74
40 na : As a passenger I´m also not too fond of the MD-11. I once travelled F/C on a Thai MD11 and it was ways inferior to their 744. Also I wouldnt feel so
41 Post contains images travelavnut : Ow I have the same, have an incredible soft spot for the 777. Although I think it's bit noisy it really gives a wide and solid feel. Never been in th
42 Cricket : Pity, but as they withdraw the MD-11 what they replace them on the DEL route with - I have flown KCH DEL-AMS and KCF twice from AMS-DEL back in 2009
43 PHX787 : I could see that! None haven't been scrapped yet?
44 WouterB : The flight from DEL to AMS which arrived in AMS this morning was flown with an A330-200. Yesterday it was one of the remaining MD11's (PH-KCE). The Du
45 na : Not that I´m aware off. Unless something happened in recent weeks. The fact that so many were converted prevented pax-MD11 to go to the srappers ear
46 Concordski : I need to find a way to justify flying our daily KLM MD-11 visitor flying ATL-AMS sometime soon before it's gone. Never flown one before.
47 Post contains links DrColenzo : Quite correct; I just checked the www.airfleets.net website and baring the 8 write-offs and 16 in storage, the rest are in active service. Not bad, I
48 Post contains images lightsaber : Once FedEx bought the 777F, the 'obvious niche' (long haul) for the MD-11 now has a more efficient stable mate. There isn't much hope for the retired
49 Mortyman : Could these old MD 11's be interesting for the Dutch airforce / armed forces, as trooptransport ?
50 Viscount724 : Swissair operated ZRH-GVA-LAX then (not GVA-ZRH-LAX). That route was DC-10-30 originally. They later dropped the GVA stop and began operating ZRH-LAX
51 DrColenzo : An interesting concept considering their current use of the KDC-10, but to be honest the A330 MRTT or similar would make much more sense once the cos
52 petertenthije : Absolutely not. The RNLAF have three DC-10, two tankers and a transport. They paid a bucketload of money to make them the most advanced in the world.
53 na : Thats when you throw the 747 Classic and 744 together which is unfair as the rate of the 744 is almost uncomparatively better.
54 Post contains links and images KL5147 : Not intending to hijack this thread but: You mean this one, the ex UA bird? View Large View MediumPhoto © William T Shemley What a waste of money! Ac
55 Post contains images petertenthije : That's the one. The modifications where completed a few months ag. Since then it has even flown a few operational flights so clearly money well spend
56 mixalakhs : Even though I was very young, I am absolutely sure it was an MD-11 and maybe it was Zurich-Geneva-Los Angeles. I remember we had a short domestic fli
57 stratosphere : I guess beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I personally find the KLM MD-11 a beautiful aircraft maybe because my growing up years were 60's and 7
58 747srule : I saw this bird at LAX on 6/28.What a great looking plane!!
59 PC12Fan : Wonderfully strange how we fall for something that has no emotion, but we perceive it to, isn't it?
60 Post contains images LifelinerOne : If I'm right, the cockpit is now similar to the FedEx MD-10's. However, I don't see the plane leaving as there, indeed, will be no buyer for it. On t
61 MauriceB : Cool! I didn't know that/remember hehe. Are there still some photos of the MD's at AMS pre-painting?
62 Boeing744 : I am very glad that I am due to fly YUL-AMS on the MD-11 in less than a month! It will probably be the sole time I will ever get the chance to fly the
63 duke : Sad news indeed. The MD-11 is my favorite jetliner. I don't fly too often, and have not had a chance to fly in it. I am due to fly Schiphol-YYZ in Aug
64 wah64d : I've sadly never flown on an MD-11, not many of the mainstream airlines to/from the UK operate with them. I've been lucky enough to fly on Omni's DC-1
65 757MDE : On the other hand, I flew AMS - AUA while coming back to Colombia from Europe a couple of weeks ago ONLY to get on the MD-11, even though I had cheap
66 airtechy : In the early 90's, I flew the Delta PDX-BKK flight many times through the old Seoul airport and Taipei airports. At the time it seemed strange to see
67 Post contains links and images LifelinerOne : Yes, even on this site: View Large View MediumPhoto © Gerard Helmer Cheers!
68 MauriceB : Very nice, thanks!. Was there any reason why KL did it themselves? Cheers!
69 RWA380 : That was quite the route to BKK DL had then, indeed SEL and TPE were the enroute stops, but I think BKK was halted before the M11's came into the fle
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