MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4210 posts, RR: 36 Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 20351 times:
Indeed PH-KCH and KCI (due wfu sept 2012) will be flown to the USA and scrapped. they are due for a D-check and with the cargo market in a slumb noone wants them anymore.
Usual suspects like UPS and FedEx stopped picking up old MD-11s and they are buying other types now, a few years ago they would have bought them but that ship has sailed.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
Ferminios From Canada, joined Apr 2011, 93 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18947 times:
Sad to see these birds go, they are great to fly on. Although I have been fortunate enough to be on these birds multipe times, I still think that I will schedule AMS - YUL - YYC - YUL- AMS for next summer.
MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 27 Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 18205 times:
Very Very sad day for me personally. I have flown the KCH multiple times in my life, and one particular cockpit flight (AUA-AMS) 10 years ago, made me become what i am today. Sad to see my fav. aircraft leaving the fleet... I know its just a piece of metal, but for sure a great one.
GregsterYUL From Canada, joined Oct 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 16443 times:
I love seeing them here at YUL but last summer the MD-11s were a nightmare for KLM as they went tech many times during peak season(2-3 times a week). At one point last summer there were 2 KLM MD-11s parked at Air Canada's hanger... This summer is so far so good
MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 27 Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 16240 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 17): The 25 789 that they have on order, are they for growth or replacements?
They are mainly for 747 replacement, but also for the A330's on a longer term.. the current 77W's and A330's on order are really a temporary solution untill the 787's start to arrive. Most of the Airbusses have short leasing terms on them (somewhat like 5 years) so KLM can be flexible with its fleet decisions the upcomming years.
They intended to replace the MD-11's with the 787's on a one-on-one base, but due to all the delays and the ricing fuell price+ a change of business plan, KLM decided to retire the MD's some 2 to 3 years earlier.
On the longer term the A350 will most likely replace the T7's, but i expect that will take atleast another 6/7 years before we will see the first one leaving the fleet.
Quoting na (Reply 18): Growth as well as replacing older 744Ms and later 772s I would say. To replace the MD11s the 787s are too late.
I don't think we can expect a lot of growth the upcomming years.. AF-KL made some hugh losses, and is stil losing millions a day. KLM needs to reduce the yearly costs by 700 mil. and a part of that includes shrinking of the European fleet and to set up a new way of handling things. Also HV will play a bigger role in the AF-KL fleet, so if there is any growth, its most likely only at Transavia
bueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 588 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15977 times:
Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 5): Is it known when the last MD-11 will retire? I HAVE to fly one before it's too late! I was hoping that I could wait until the summer of 2013 as I will have graduated by then.
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7): do you think we can expect them to do some sort of enthusiast's flights in the end?
I severely hope so... I'll contact them on that very matter...