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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 20507 times:

Hello,

I have always been wondering why there isn' t a topic about the french aviation like so many other countries or states. So let' s try it !

Air France has just unveiled its new website today : AIRFRANCE

Cheers

Dennis   


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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1780 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 20500 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Thread starter):
Air France has just unveiled its new website today : AIRFRANCE

Correct me if I am wrong but either I have seen that same site before or it is very similar to their previous site.



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 20411 times:

You are right. The "old" version is online again as the new website will be launched on july 11th actually. I have seen the new pages this afternoon, probably a test. It looked nice anyway.


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User currently offlineRichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 20387 times:

Hi

Are Eastern Airways flying from Dijon to Southampton this summer?

Can seam to find it on either the French or the UK version of their website.

Alex


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 20370 times:

Quoting Richcandy (Reply 3):
Are Eastern Airways flying from Dijon to Southampton this summer?

No, this seasonal route was lauched last summer but will not resume this year. 1600 passengers were handled between june and october 2011.



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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 20273 times:

Was anyone else surprised by the Emirates Lyon announcement? Only because of its proximity to Geneva.


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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 20041 times:

It looks like AirFrance stikes back on some domestic markets. Volotea announced one month ago 5 weekly flight between Bordeaux and Strasbourg from october 1st. According to www.airfrance.fr AF will reinstate a 3rd daily flight on this route from september 3rd :

AF 5473 BOD 0840 - 1005 SXB 123456- E70
AF 5477 BOD 1725 - 1845 SXB 12345-- ER4
AF 5479 BOD 2115 - 2240 SXB 12345-7 E70

V7 2410 BOD 1040 - 1225 SXB 1------ 717
V7 2410 BOD 1715 - 1850 SXB --345-7 717


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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19978 times:

AirFrance announced today many routes and frequencies cuts from its 3 regional bases ( MRS, TLS and NCE ) :

Latest Cancellations:
Marseille – Basel – Mulhouse eff 01AUG12 3 weekly (Previously to be cancelled from 03SEP12)
Toulouse – Marseille eff 09SEP12 3 weekly (Reservation to be closed in coming days)

Previously reported cancellations, effective 03SEP12:
Marseille – Barcelona 2 weekly
Marseille – Beirut 3 weekly
Marseille – Dusseldorf 3 weekly

Previously reported cancellations, effective 28OCT12. These flights has been removed on 05JUL12:
Marseille – Brest 4 weekly
Marseille – Copenhagen 3 weekly
Marseille – Hamburg Service to be terminated from 01JUL12
Marseille – Istanbul 4 weekly
Nice – Naples 2 weekly
Toulouse – Athens 4 weekly
Toulouse – Berlin Tegel 4 weekly
Toulouse – Malaga 3 weekly
Toulouse – Vienna 4 weekly

Latest Service Reductions, effective 28OCT12:
Marseille – Casablanca Reduce from 4 weekly to 3 weekly
Marseille – Prague Reduce from 3 to 2 weekly
Marseille – Tunis Reduce from 8 weekly to daily
Nice – Paris Orly Reduce from 21 to 19 daily
Toulouse – Istanbul Reduce from 3 to 2 weekly

Previously reporte cancellations, effective 03SEP12:
Marseille – Bordeaux Reduces from 4 to 3 Daily
Marseille – Brest Reduces from daily to 4 weekly (To be cancelled from 28OCT12)
Marseille – Hamburg Reduces from 4 to 3 weekly
Marseille – Lille Sundays service reduce from 2 to 1 flight

AIRFRANCE has announced frequency reductions on following routes in its daily bulletin in the GDS, however it does not match current availability/schedule listing:
Marseille – Athens eff 28OCT12 Reduce from 4 to 3 weekly (GDS displays only 2 weekly)
Nice – Venice eff 28OCT12 Reduces from 3 to 1 weekly (GDS displays 2 weekly)
Toulouse – Hamburg eff 28OCT12 Reduce from 5 to 4 weekly (GDS displays 3 weekly)
Toulouse – Prague eff 28OCT12 Reduce from 5 to 1 weekly (GDS displays 2 weekly)

Source : Airline Route



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User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19719 times:

Air France will add three weekly flights from Lyon to Budapest, flights will be operated by a CRJ-1000.

AF5978 LYS 1055 – 1300BUD
AF5979 BUD 1345 – 1540LYS


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 19514 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 1):
Quoting Alsatian (Thread starter):
Air France has just unveiled its new website today : AIRFRANCE


Correct me if I am wrong but either I have seen that same site before or it is very similar to their previous site.

The new site is online now : AIRFRANCE



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 19344 times:

AIRFRANCE to convert Strasbourg - Venice seasonal service to year-round :

AF 5452 SXB 1155 - 1310 VCE 1------ ER4
AF 5452 SXB 0825 - 0940 VCE ----5-- ER4

AF 5453 VCE 1345 - 1510 SXB 1------ ER4
AF 5453 VCE 1015 - 1140 SXB ----5-- ER4



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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 19082 times:

Thanks a lot Alsatian for starting this thread  
In link with this thread about how nice and scenic landing in NCE is :
Nice Airport (LFMN)Questions (by saleya22R Jul 19 2012 in Civil Aviation)
I thought we could share what are the airports/landings we prefer in France, for whatever reason. For me :
1- NCE for the reasons described in the above-mentioned thread
2- AJA : whatever the active runway is, arriving above Ajaccio bay is really fantastic. At the time AF was flying a 743 on one of the multiple daily rotation during the summer, I did several times the approach above the city and turning very low in the middle of the hills with the jumbo to finally align it on the runway facing the sea is an incredible landing experience.
3- FSC : when landing facing south (which is not so common) and that means entering Porto Vecchio bay after having passed Rondinara beach, and you fly over beautiful criques and beaches before finally landing in FSC
4- MRS : when you turn above the sea to have the city on your right and chateau d'If on your left. I don't know why but it seems that this approach is less and less used (or even not used anymore) because I haven't had this approach for a very long time (just bad luck or approaches procedures have changed ?)
5- LRT : well this choice will probably surprise some of you but I always found this airport layout very interesting. For those of you who doesn't know this airport, Lorient is an important city in Britanny. The airport is a military airbase (Lann Bihoué) which includes a small civil terminal. The runway is very wide and very long (meaning they never used thrust reversers to land there). The runway has plenty of trees on one side of it (which is quite unusual) and taxiways to serve various parts of the military airbase and the civil terminal are located at both ends of the runway. So this means that taxi to the terminal always take long time but in the middle of the trees, like if you were driving with your car on a forest road. This is for me a unique airport for the layout and always found it interesting

So that's my list. What about your list, guys ?  


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 19028 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 11):
Thanks a lot Alsatian for starting this thread

Glad to read a good feedback goldorak. I am sure that you will be a major contributor of this thread !



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 18929 times:

From november, Ryanair will cut some Madrid and Barcelona flights. Among the routes with reduced frequencies there will be :

MAD - BVA
MAD- MRS
BCN - BVA

Ryanair Cuts Madrid & Barcelona Flights In Response To Spanish Govt Tax Increases



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User currently offlinesaleya22R From France, joined Mar 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 18894 times:
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Quoting goldorak (Reply 11):

Goldorak, your list is very interesting. Unfortunately my experience of French airports (the exciting ones) is too limited to give a list.
Maybe in a year or two maybe I'm able to do that. I have never even visited Corsica nearby. It's in my plans for sure!
On a side note, when world's most dangerous airports are listed, Courchevel is usually included. Anyone landed there? I've been skiing there many years ago.
You land uphill right?
Saleya22R


User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 18804 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 11):

All very nice, I agree, but the best French approaches are a bit further from Paris: St. Barths (my preferred), Papeete and some of the other Polynesian ones, also the jungle airports in French Guyana are very scenic to fly into


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 18643 times:

AIRFRANCE plans to cancel the Strasbourg - Paris CDG route from december.

In french : AIRFRANCE va fermer la ligne Strasbourg-Roissy



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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 18504 times:

Quoting saleya22R (Reply 14):
On a side note, when world's most dangerous airports are listed, Courchevel is usually included. Anyone landed there? I've been skiing there many years ago.
You land uphill right?

You are right, this is probably the most dangerous and scenic one !! Not so much people have landed there but I know there a a few on this forum.

Quoting mozart (Reply 15):
All very nice, I agree, but the best French approaches are a bit further from Paris: St. Barths (my preferred), Papeete and some of the other Polynesian ones, also the jungle airports in French Guyana are very scenic to fly into

Of course, probably very nice to land/take-off there. I have never visited those places, yet  
Quoting Alsatian (Reply 16):
AIRFRANCE plans to cancel the Strasbourg - Paris CDG route from december

This is really schocking news  Wow! . Of course, we all know the TGV is making a killing on Paris-Strasbourg, but I would never have bet a cent on the axing of the CDG route. I would have been sure that they would have dropped first the ORY route.

Quoting goldorak (Reply 11):
4- MRS : when you turn above the sea to have the city on your right and chateau d'If on your left. I don't know why but it seems that this approach is less and less used (or even not used anymore) because I haven't had this approach for a very long time (just bad luck or approaches procedures have changed ?)

Well, I should have wait just a bit before writing this. Because I flew to MRS last week end and we did this approach. Very nice !


User currently offlineAFCDGPTP From France, joined Dec 2007, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 18423 times:

That's a great thing to see a french avaiation thread !

on the 15th of DEC, XL airways France is launching CDG PTP (3x week); and CDG FDF (3x week) using an 333 that they will be getting in NOV with a 2-class configuration holding 408 seats ! (Ouch !)

(Sorry in french)

http://www.domactu.com/actualite/127...deloupe-parispointe-a-pitre-a-399/

XL France currently operates:
2 A332 (2-class 364 seats)
3 B737-800 (189 seats)
1 A320 (180Y)

Former XL (Star Airlines) did operate PTP & FDF from CDG for a few months for T.O Look Voyages

XK is also launching RUN & Mayotte from CDG on the 6th of DEC


User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18362 times:

Could the closure of the route from Paris to Strasbourg have to do with the fact that STR is so close? Not to mention that FRA is roughly 2 hours by bus.

When I was looking at flights to Strasbourg via Air France, they were not competitive at all. Flying into STR or flying on Lufthansa via Frankfurt (FRA to SXB is operated by a bus) were much cheaper.

Air France is accused very often of neglecting the countryside and focusing only on Paris. But the fact that their regional hub system went down in flames just goes to prove how they were right in the first place.


User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18343 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 19):
Could the closure of the route from Paris to Strasbourg have to do with the fact that STR is so close? Not to mention that FRA is roughly 2 hours by bus.

No. The TGV high speed train competition is the reason. Paris-Strasbourg is only 2 hrs by train now.


User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 18335 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 20):

But I thought that Air France would aim at attracting some connecting traffic from SXB. It must be a high yielding traffic.


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 18331 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 21):
But I thought that Air France would aim at attracting some connecting traffic from SXB. It must be a high yielding traffic.


AF wants to continue to catch this traffic but unfortunately via the TGV. AF will have an agreement with the SNCF on the Strasbourg - Paris CDG railway sector just like the existing Bruxelles - Paris CDG service. There will be an AIRFRANCE counter at Strasbourg station, passengers will be able to do the check in there... Sad news for SXB anyway.



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User currently offlineicna05e From France, joined Feb 2006, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18288 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 7):
AirFrance announced today many routes and frequencies cuts from its 3 regional bases ( MRS, TLS and NCE ) :

Waw. Are they dismanteling everything they set up just a year earlier? It seems like they were the only ones believing it could work. And it isn't...
A year is way too short to establish that many flights! Either they could sustain several years at a loss or they shouldn't have gone for it in the first place. I'd take the second solution. In the end, this erratic behavior doesn't serve them any good, whether on the PR side or (and especially) on the financial side. What a waste!

Quoting goldorak (Reply 17):
I would have been sure that they would have dropped first the ORY route.

Indeed! The train competes mostly against ORY and the point-to-point, frequent flights. SXB should still be connected to the waves of the CDG hubs, as are Clermont-Ferrand, Pau or other smaller cities.
It's similar to the impact on LYS: La Navette to Orly was all but dropped and flights to CDG do well with connection passengers.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 19):
their regional hub system went down in flames

What hub? LYS? CFE? The latter was killed by the former, and if the former isn't doing so well it's because AF tried their "provincial bases" strategy. Yep, the one that's failing miserably. So maybe the hub in Lyon has reasons to exist after all!


User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 18141 times:

If we believe press reports, AirFrance offers packages ranging from €30,000 to 60,000 for pilots to accept their transfer to Transavia France.
AirFrance considers that it has about 450 pilots too many.
About 60 pilots are required by Transavia France to man 6 additional planes.
So far no official statement from AirFrance's management.


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18135 times:

AIRFRANCE to launch Lyon - Goteborg from september 17th :

AF 3224 LYS 1500 - 1725 GOT ----5-- ER4
AF 3224 LYS 1730 - 1955 GOT 1234--7 ER4

AF 3225 GOT 1800 - 2030 LYS ----5-- ER4
AF 3225 GOT 2030 - 2300 LYS 1234--7 ER4



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 18143 times:

I don't know if already mentioned, but AF will reduce CDG-ATH to twice daily A319 instead of 3 daily in W12.

User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 27, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 18398 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 26):

I don't know if already mentioned, but AF will reduce CDG-ATH to twice daily A319 instead of 3 daily in W12.

yes, and not only AF. All carriers are downsizing ATH.


User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 502 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 18351 times:

Quoting breiz (Reply 24):
If we believe press reports, AirFrance offers packages ranging from €30,000 to 60,000 for pilots to accept their transfer to Transavia France.
AirFrance considers that it has about 450 pilots too many.

Would you be able to provide a source?


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 18339 times:

Quoting 76er (Reply 28):
Would you be able to provide a source?

Here is one (in french) : Pilotes Air France : 6 mois de salaire pour aller chez Transavia



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User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 502 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 18322 times:

Merci beaucoup!

Doesn't look like a very attractive offer in the long term. I don't expect many volunteers.


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 18235 times:

Vueling has axed its Toulouse - Lille route. 4 flights per week were launched with A319 since late march. AIRFRANCE and easyJet are still operating between the two cities.


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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 18099 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 16):
AIRFRANCE plans to cancel the Strasbourg - Paris CDG route from december.

There is a petition online to try to reverse this decision : http://www.avaaz.org/fr/petition/a_2/?cLTUpdb



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 17766 times:

According to La Tribune, AIRFRANCE plans to launch international flights ex Paris Orly from late october. The destinations would be ATH, CMN, IST and FCO with one daily flight. These are mainly O/D destinations which are already served by LCC (easyJet, Vueling, Pegasus...).

In french : air-france-etudie-le-lancement-de-vols-internationaux-au-depart-d-orly



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17333 times:

Next summer Skywork will fly daily from Berne to Nice ( an increase from 3 fligths per week this season ) :

SX 430 BRN 1600 - 1710 NCE
SX 431 NCE 1740 - 1845 BRN



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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 35, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 17354 times:

Quoting breiz (Reply 24):
If we believe press reports, AirFrance offers packages ranging from €30,000 to 60,000 for pilots to accept their transfer to Transavia France.
AirFrance considers that it has about 450 pilots too many.
About 60 pilots are required by Transavia France to man 6 additional planes.
So far no official statement from AirFrance's management.

Now it's BritAir who is considering to propose to some pilots a temporary assignment at Garuda (on CRJ1000). Link in French (sorry) :
http://fr.finance.yahoo.com/actualit...-propose-à-pilotes-153136546.html


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 16984 times:

Some news about the future of the AF' feeders ( BritAir, Regional and Airlinair ) :

In french : Air France précise les contours de son prochain pôle régional

The fleet of the three carriers will be downsized from 93 to 86 airliners in 2013 and Airlinair could see its activities to go up



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User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2396 posts, RR: 4
Reply 37, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 16979 times:

Seems the A330 is a very popular plane in France!

Quoting AFCDGPTP (Reply 18):
on the 15th of DEC, XL airways France is launching CDG PTP (3x week); and CDG FDF (3x week) using an 333 that they will be getting in NOV with a 2-class configuration holding 408 seats ! (Ouch !)

Any idea where this A333 is coming from? And will it be possible for a full loaded A333 to reach PTP non-stop from Paris?
In other news, I heard rumors, XL Airways France will re-brand as true no-frills carrier (a la Air Asia X)- is it true?

According to Corsair new webpage:
En fin d’année 2012, deux A330.300 neufs rejoindront la flotte, qui sera entièrement renouvelée et reconfigurée à mi 2013.

Sorry my French is not the best, do I understand it right, Corsair will receive as well 2 used A333? Any idea who was the previous owner?!

In other news, Aigle Azur will also an A330 operator soon. Any idea which routes will be served? Maybe Vietnam? Any idea of the identity of these planes (maybe ex Kingfisher?)


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 16829 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 37):
According to Corsair new webpage:
En fin d’année 2012, deux A330.300 neufs rejoindront la flotte, qui sera entièrement renouvelée et reconfigurée à mi 2013.

Sorry my French is not the best, do I understand it right, Corsair will receive as well 2 used A333? Any idea who was the previous owner?!

It means : two new A330-300s will join the fleet late 2012, then all the fleet will be refurbished by the middle of 2013.



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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 39, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 16790 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 37):
In other news, I heard rumors, XL Airways France will re-brand as true no-frills carrier (a la Air Asia X)- is it true?

I didn't hear anything about this, but may be it's true. We'll see !

Quoting debonair (Reply 37):
In other news, Aigle Azur will also an A330 operator soon. Any idea which routes will be served? Maybe Vietnam? Any idea of the identity of these planes (maybe ex Kingfisher?)

I doubt Aigle Azur will go so far. They announced before the summer their intention to launch new routes to the middle east, like BEY or CAI. So maybe those birds are for this.


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16642 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 7):
AirFrance announced today many routes and frequencies cuts from its 3 regional bases ( MRS, TLS and NCE ) :

What is going on? Many of those routes have only been active a couple of months! I actually saw some potential in a less Paris-centric strategy, but it looks like it has been a complete failure. Too late to market perhaps, with U2 already having built up a too strong presence?

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 7):
Toulouse – Hamburg eff 28OCT12 Reduce from 5 to 4 weekly (GDS displays 3 weekly)

With all the Airbus-related traffic and lack of options between the two cities, you would have thought that this route would have done well... the lack of a sunday flight to allow for weekend trips was a handicap IMO.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 19):
Air France is accused very often of neglecting the countryside and focusing only on Paris. But the fact that their regional hub system went down in flames just goes to prove how they were right in the first place.

It's hard to say after only some months... they hardly even tried and are already pulling back.

Quoting icna05e (Reply 23):
this erratic behavior doesn't serve them any good, whether on the PR side or (and especially) on the financial side.

Indeed, many routes were announced with fanfare and are being cancelled only months later... not a great way to project your image!


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 16422 times:

More details about the fleet of the future AIRFRANCE regional carrier :

BritAir : 1 CRJ-1000 and 4 CRJ-100s to leave the fleet and 2 CRJ-700s to arrive

Regional : 3 ERJ-170s and 2 ERJ-145s to leave the fleet and 1 ERJ-190 to arrive

Airlinair : 5 ATR-42s to leave the fleet and 5 ATR-72s to arrive

Air France réduit la flotte et l’effectif de son futur pôle régional


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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 16274 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 41):
BritAir : 1 CRJ-1000 and 4 CRJ-100s to leave the fleet and 2 CRJ-700s to arrive

OK for the CR1's and CR7's, but the CRK is brand new and apparently performing well, why would they get rid of that? Get rid of another few CR1's instead.

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 41):
Regional : 3 ERJ-170s and 2 ERJ-145s to leave the fleet

Why get rid of E170's? There are still ERJ145's and IIRC even ERJ135's, I would retire any of those before getting rid of an E170...

The article is not very clear, what does it mean by "losing"? Retiring, selling, grounding? What does it mean by "recovering"? Buying, leasing, putting parked frames back into service?

Another interesting info is that the new regional subsidiary will be announced Jan 2013.


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 16282 times:

XLAirways to launch Marseilles - New york from 31MAY13. Flights will be bookable from 1500UTC today with 3000 return tickets from 449euros taxes included.

[Edited 2012-09-06 05:35:31]

[Edited 2012-09-06 05:35:56]


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User currently offlineAF185 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2012, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 16112 times:

Hi all,

After 10 years reading A.net forums every day, I have finally joined the community. This is my first post!

I am wondering what will be the impact of the new Qantas-Emirates tie up on the AF-QF codeshares on the CDG-SIN-Australia and CDG-HKG-Australia routes. Are these codeshares going to end?

What could be the near future alternatives for AF? Codesharing with CZ via CAN, or with GA via CGK once they enter Skyteam (2014)? Another alternative could be with Etihad through AUH, considering the current tie up discussions both airlines are having..

Thanks for your insights


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15848 times:

Quoting AF185 (Reply 44):
After 10 years reading A.net forums every day, I have finally joined the community. This is my first post!

Glad you start with the French aviation thread !

Some changes for S13 are loaded on the AIRFRANCE site. Here are some frequencies reductions from CDG to (weekly freq S12 vs S13) :

ATH from 35 32S to 28 32S
BLL from 19 ER4 to 7 E90
CGN from 18 AT5 to 7 E90   
LJU from 13 ER4 to 7 CR7
MAD from 55 32S to 49 32S
MUC from 46 32S to 41 32S
PRG from 27 32S to 20 32S
PSA from 21 CR7 to 14 CR7
STR from 35 318 to 28 318
VIE from 28 32S to 21 32S
ZAG from 14 CR7 to 7 AR8



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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 46, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15711 times:

Quoting AF185 (Reply 44):
I am wondering what will be the impact of the new Qantas-Emirates tie up on the AF-QF codeshares on the CDG-SIN-Australia and CDG-HKG-Australia routes. Are these codeshares going to end?

yes, it has been announced by QF that this code-share agreement with AF will end in march 2013.

Quoting AF185 (Reply 44):
What could be the near future alternatives for AF? Codesharing with CZ via CAN, or with GA via CGK once they enter Skyteam (2014)? Another alternative could be with Etihad through AUH, considering the current tie up discussions both airlines are having

Yes, those are possible alternatives. Add VN to the list. But I believe all those carriers a only serving SYD, while QF was serving several cities from SIN and HKG (ADL, MEL, Brisbane, Perth, etc). A deal with Virgin Australia should not be excluded as well.


User currently offlinesxb From France, joined Sep 2008, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15652 times:

Does anyone know how Volotea is doing on the French market (or even overall) so far?


SXB
User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15603 times:

Quoting sxb (Reply 47):
Does anyone know how Volotea is doing on the French market (or even overall) so far?

I don't have any figure but we can see on Volotea's website some suffs :

NTE - ETZ reduced to 2 weekly instead of 3 untill late october
NTE - SXB to be increased to 6 weekly instead of 5 from 17DEC to 6JANV
BOD - LIL to be increased to 5 weekly instead of 4 from 26DEC to 31JANV
SXB - BOD to be increased to 6 weekly instead of 5 from 17DEC to 6JANV



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15404 times:

AF could postpone the SXB-CDG route cancellation.

In french : LaFermetureDeLaLigneStrasbourgRoissyPourraitEtreDecalee



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User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 50, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15390 times:

With all these cancellations and reductions taking place at Air France, what will happen with the extra capacity? Will their fleet shrink of will these planes be redeployed elsewhere?

User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 51, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15394 times:

I would also like to add that according to a Serbian aviation news portal, Air France will be replacing Voyageur and Affaires with Economy and Business. I find this a shame.

User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15489 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 50):
With all these cancellations and reductions taking place at Air France, what will happen with the extra capacity? Will their fleet shrink of will these planes be redeployed elsewhere?

The fleet of the feeders (BritAir, Regional and Airlinair) will be reduced from 93 to 86 airliners :

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 41):
More details about the fleet of the future AIRFRANCE regional carrier :

BritAir : 1 CRJ-1000 and 4 CRJ-100s to leave the fleet and 2 CRJ-700s to arrive

Regional : 3 ERJ-170s and 2 ERJ-145s to leave the fleet and 1 ERJ-190 to arrive

Airlinair : 5 ATR-42s to leave the fleet and 5 ATR-72s to arrive




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User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 53, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15472 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 52):

Thanks for that. But what about the reduction from routes which were operated by Air France such as Belgrade, Athens...?


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 15448 times:

Quoting sxb (Reply 47):

Some answers about the Nantes' base :

In french : VoloteaAeroportdeNantes

53 900 passengers carried from/to NTE between 1JUN and 15SEP
724 flights during the same period so a load factor of 72%
Very good results on NTE-AJA and NTE-BIA but poor numbers on NTE-BIQ

Cheers

Dennis



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15138 times:

easyJet to open BOD - LIL, its third route from LIL


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User currently offlineAF185 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2012, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14916 times:

ORY airport will be renovated and modernized by 2018 with an investment of 600 million to 700M million euros (a bit less than 1 Billion USD).
The plan includes the following:

-> West and South terminals are planned to be linked with each other with a new building, which will increase capacity

-> In South terminal, a new boarding area will be built to accomodate the A380

-> A Metro line to connect to Paris, as well as a high speed train (TGV) station, to connect to other areas of France

ADP (ORY's operator) is planning to increase the capacity to 40 million passengers yearly (compared to 27 million in 2011)

It sounds like a good move, as Paris definitely needs a 2nd quality airport. However, I am wondering which carrier would fly the A380 from/to ORY? Could AF operate a high density (COI) A380 in the next few years to low yields destinations?

Also, AF seem to increase its ORY flights, as they announced they would transfer some European flights from CDG to ORY a few weeks ago.

Here's the story (In French Only):

http://www.boursorama.com/actualites...y-e97008d9db2ade0836da602a1d87be94


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14727 times:

Quoting AF185 (Reply 56):
ORY airport will be renovated and modernized by 2018 with an investment of 600 million to 700M million euros (a bit less than 1 Billion USD).
The plan includes the following:

-> West and South terminals are planned to be linked with each other with a new building, which will increase capacity

-> In South terminal, a new boarding area will be built to accomodate the A380

-> A Metro line to connect to Paris, as well as a high speed train (TGV) station, to connect to other areas of France

Great news, I've always believed ORY has a lot more potential. I'm eager to see more detailed plans about this.
A true direct metro (or would it be RER?) line (get rid of the useless Orlyval, please) was long overdue, and linking it up with long-distance rail will greatly increase its catchment area and accessibility. The fill-in to link both terminals is also a good development.


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14704 times:

Quoting AF185 (Reply 56):
It sounds like a good move, as Paris definitely needs a 2nd quality airport. However, I am wondering which carrier would fly the A380 from/to ORY? Could AF operate a high density (COI) A380 in the next few years to low yields destinations? Also, AF seem to increase its ORY flights, as they announced they would transfer some European flights from CDG to ORY a few weeks ago.

We may also see some AF longhaul flights other than on COI routes.

NYC would be a good candidate (remember the ORY-EWR flight from 1990 to 1996). HND, YUL, as point-to-point routes, too.

ATL, BEY, SVO, PVG, ICN would also work well as hub-to-hub Skyteam routes.

AUH as well, should EY join ST (but EY metal mays also fly to ORY, as a substitute for AF)

[Edited 2012-10-04 11:42:45]

User currently offlineAF185 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2012, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14592 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 57):
A true direct metro (or would it be RER?) line (get rid of the useless Orlyval, please) was long overdue

It will be a driver less metro which will go to Paris downtown. This line is part of the large Paris suburban area metro project ("Grand Paris") which was launched a few years ago by the former president Sarkozy.


User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 878 posts, RR: 2
Reply 60, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 14551 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 46):
yes, it has been announced by QF that this code-share agreement with AF will end in march 2013.

Very funny... it was because of this agreement with QF that AF has always blocked MH to join SkyTeam... MH had the support of KL and MH tried during many years to join the alliance, but because of AF total blindness, see the result now!!


User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 14396 times:

Nothing new about the fact that AF has taken over AMS-MRS from KLM.
I experienced it first hand these past days, after many years of KLM's service.
Our flight back to AMS was delayed (half hour) on arrival by thunderstorms (a relatively regular event at AMS).
Many of us where getting uneasy about their connection, and to one passenger asking about walking distances at the terminal, the cabin attendant replied: "No idea, I do not know Amsterdam".
And to my comment that KLM usually informs passengers about the arrival gate and the departure ones in case of very short connections, the same cabin attendant smiled a: "Oh, AMS does not tell anything to AF, only KLM".
After landing, we were confirmed that we were in AMS, that the temperature was 16 deg, that they were happy we flew with them,..., but nothing about gates, the only useful information.
I hope AF's personnel will get real and understand that flying is not just going from A to B, somehow.


User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 62, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week ago) and read 14354 times:

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 58):
Quoting AF185 (Reply 56):
We may also see some AF longhaul flights other than on COI routes.

NYC would be a good candidate (remember the ORY-EWR flight from 1990 to 1996). HND, YUL, as point-to-point routes, too.

ATL, BEY, SVO, PVG, ICN would also work well as hub-to-hub Skyteam routes.

AUH as well, should EY join ST (but EY metal mays also fly to ORY, as a substitute for AF)

I think you are completely dreaming. It's not because ORY will be modernized (clearly needed) and because it will have maybe (in 20 years at best) a direct rail link to Paris that suddenly AF will transfer some long-haul flights from CDG to ORY (BTW, SVO is not long-haul and will likely be soon operated once a day from ORY by AF). For long-haul, NYC is the only one plausible because of strong O/D, but if it happens, it will be on a DL757 (as it was supposed to start 2 or 3 years ago but finally never materialize). All other flights need the feed at CDG from other destinations and that's not possible at ORY. ORY will have a 3rd terminal before you see a flight to ATL or to PVG by AF there, so never.

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 60):
Very funny... it was because of this agreement with QF that AF has always blocked MH to join SkyTeam... MH had the support of KL and MH tried during many years to join the alliance, but because of AF total blindness, see the result now!!

Well, I'm still waiting for a single proof of this long-time and doubtful rumor on A.net ...


User currently offlineaf185 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2012, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14351 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 62):
Quoting AirGabon (Reply 60):
Very funny... it was because of this agreement with QF that AF has always blocked MH to join SkyTeam... MH had the support of KL and MH tried during many years to join the alliance, but because of AF total blindness, see the result now!!

Well, I'm still waiting for a single proof of this long-time and doubtful rumor on A.net ...

In any case, GA is a great addition to Skyteam and no doubt it will be a strong AF partner in the coming years. I have flown GA this year, it is an excellent airline, at least as good as MH..


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14294 times:

AIRFRANCE to launch new routes to Casablanca, Istanbul and Moscow from Paris Orly in S13 :

AF 1992 ORY 0900 - 1055 CMN D 318
AF 1993 CMN 1145 - 1535 ORY D 318

AF 1856 ORY 1025 - 1440 IST D 319
AF 1857 IST 1535 - 1810 ORY D 319

AF 1130 ORY 1015 - 1540 SVO D 320
AF 1131 SVO 1645 - 1835 ORY D 320



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User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1866 posts, RR: 6
Reply 65, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14271 times:

XL Airways France sold? http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...or-beachside-capital#disqus_thread

User currently offlinevarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1583 posts, RR: 8
Reply 66, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14217 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 65):
XL Airways France sold?

Thanks for this piece of information!
The ex-owner from Iceland wanted to get rid of it sooner or later anyhow, now it's done.
I just hope one day AF will not put its hands on it and destroy it



AF TW AA NW DL UA CO BA U2 TP UX LH SK AZ MP KL SN VY HV LS SS TK SQ PC RG IW SE
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7102 posts, RR: 17
Reply 67, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14170 times:

Hi guys, just passing through here, a good read in this thread   

I've only been to CDG once but the one thing that stood out was this:

Are there always armed military personnel walking around the concourses with assault rifles? Really struck me off guard....and I thought security in the US was nuts  



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User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 68, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14155 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 67):
Are there always armed military personnel walking around the concourses with assault rifles? Really struck me off guard....and I thought security in the US was nuts

It has been so for a very long time (almost 40 years).
You have to remember, or know, that France was subject to terrorist activity loooong before the US.
In the '80s, I had my camera bag destroyed by security at CDG because I forgot it beside a bench while being distracted by my young children.


User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 69, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14149 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 64):
AIRFRANCE to launch new routes to Casablanca, Istanbul and Moscow from Paris Orly in S13 :

AF 1992 ORY 0900 - 1055 CMN D 318
AF 1993 CMN 1145 - 1535 ORY D 318

AF 1856 ORY 1025 - 1440 IST D 319
AF 1857 IST 1535 - 1810 ORY D 319

AF 1130 ORY 1015 - 1540 SVO D 320
AF 1131 SVO 1645 - 1835 ORY D 320

In fact, it is a transfer to ORY of one of the daily frequency currently operated from CDG. Those flights will be all Y.


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13790 times:

More details about the Paris-Orly airport improvements :

In french : Orly2018



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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 71, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13581 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 70):

More details about the Paris-Orly airport improvements :

In french : Orly2018

So it looks like a significant makeover of the terminals with the creation of 100000m2 of new surface. ORY will go from 2 "terminals" (check-in/security areas?) and 6 boarding areas to 1 terminal and 3 boarding areas. The goal is not to increase terminal capacity but to improve the experience for existing pax.

What I'm still intrigued to know is how the link to TGV and RATP will look like in the end. Will it be in-terminal, like CDG, and therefore truly multi-modal, or will you have to take a train to take a train, which is less attractive?


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13536 times:

According to Le Télégramme, Volotea will operate flights from Brest next summer :

(in french) VoloteaArriveàBrest

And a new Strasbourg - Biarritz route : larepubliquedespyrenees

[Edited 2012-10-22 07:38:53]


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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13387 times:

After Brest, Toulouse is the second french city to join the Volotea's network this week. Flights to Ajaccio and Bastia are schedulded.


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User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 74, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13406 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 62):
I think you are completely dreaming. It's not because ORY will be modernized (clearly needed) and because it will have maybe (in 20 years at best) a direct rail link to Paris that suddenly AF will transfer some long-haul flights from CDG to ORY (BTW, SVO is not long-haul and will likely be soon operated once a day from ORY by AF). For long-haul, NYC is the only one plausible because of strong O/D, but if it happens, it will be on a DL757 (as it was supposed to start 2 or 3 years ago but finally never materialize). All other flights need the feed at CDG from other destinations and that's not possible at ORY. ORY will have a 3rd terminal before you see a flight to ATL or to PVG by AF there, so never.

ATL, BEY, PVG and ICN are key non-European hubs within the SkyTeam network (and AUH may join that list at a later stage). Given the location of ORY, in a quite well-off area and 10km closer to Paris, it makes sense to have such flights. As an alternative to AF metal, DL, ME, MU and KE could send their own metal to ORY. HND would also be a very good candidate.

Quoting goldorak (Reply 69):
In fact, it is a transfer to ORY of one of the daily frequency currently operated from CDG. Those flights will be all Y.

Pity no Y+ is offered. IST and SVO may also justify J.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 71):
What I'm still intrigued to know is how the link to TGV and RATP will look like in the end. Will it be in-terminal, like CDG, and therefore truly multi-modal, or will you have to take a train to take a train, which is less attractive?

The TGV/Metro station will be on site, next to the new inter-terminal building.

Mind you, Orly-South Terminal building still has a full-fledged (yet mothballed) railway station at basement level...

I also hope that the long-projected railway branchline from Pont de Rungis will see light. Orlyval was just a bad joke.


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 75, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13335 times:

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 74):

The TGV/Metro station will be on site, next to the new inter-terminal building.

Mind you, Orly-South Terminal building still has a full-fledged (yet mothballed) railway station at basement level...

I also hope that the long-projected railway branchline from Pont de Rungis will see light. Orlyval was just a bad joke.

That is very reassuring to hear! I agree Orlyval was/is a bad joke and I was fearing that the same mistake would be repeated again...

I had no idea about that ghost train station at ORY, indeed it is there:
http://www.leparisien.fr/orly-94310/...is-utilisee-15-01-2011-1227866.php
http://www.leparisien.fr/val-de-marn...en-sous-sol-15-01-2011-1227867.php
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station...#.C3.80_l.27a.C3.A9roport_d.27Orly

While not suited for the TGV, it was intented to house a future metro extension.
This only makes Orlyval appear as even more of a mistake!


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13101 times:

easyJet will start GVA - LIL from march 29th. It will be the 4th U2's route from Lille (after Nice, Toulouse and Bordeaux) :

DS 1471 GVA 1045 - 1205 LIL 319 1------
DS 1471 GVA 1550 - 1710 LIL 319 --3-5-7

DS 1472 LIL 1235 - 1355 GVA 319 1------
DS 1472 LIL 1740 - 1900 GVA 319 --3-5-7



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13003 times:

Volotea cancels Metz / Nancy service from january :

VoloteaàMNLc'estfini

V7 will drop Nantes – Metz / Nancy service, where it currently operates 2 - 3 weekly flights with 717.



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12979 times:

Lufthansa will start a direct link between Frankfurt and Strasbourg airport during the European Parliament Sessions :

in french : LHouvreFrancfort

LH 1072 FRA 1350 - 1440 SXB 319 on 10DEC 14JAN 4FEV 11MAR
LH 1073 SXB 1430 - 1525 FRA 319 on 13DEC 17JAN 7FEV 14MAR

LH already serves Strasbourg but via busses to the city center 6 times a day.



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User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 579 posts, RR: 1
Reply 79, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12975 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 78):
Lufthansa will start a direct link between Frankfurt and Strasbourg airport during the European Parliament Sessions.

I've always wondered why Lufthansa doesn't serve Strasbourg from Munich on airplanes on a regular basis.



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12977 times:

On the Nice airport' s website we can find Virgin flights to LHR operated by A320 in july. Add one hour to get the local time :

VS @ NCE



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User currently offlinesxb From France, joined Sep 2008, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12766 times:

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 79):
I've always wondered why Lufthansa doesn't serve Strasbourg from Munich on airplanes on a regular basis

They've tried several times and it didn't work.
I do remember LH flying ATR between SXB and FRA in the 90s. It was dropped for slots reason (on the FRA side) if I remember correctly.



In other news, SK is starting a bi-weekly CPH - BIQ next summer.



SXB
User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 82, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12743 times:

"Air France-KLM, Air Berlin and Abu Dhabi's Etihad, the German airline's biggest shareholder, said on Oct. 8 they plan to start connecting their networks from Oct. 28 under an agreement to share some route codes."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...erlin-report-idUSL5E8LM7HA20121022
AF CEO, de Juniac, commented that AF alliances were a bit weak towards the East, that Germany is a big market which would benefit long distance flights from CDG.
The comment about the East is a bit surprising considering that Aeroflot, CSA and Tarom are part of Skyteam.
Anyway, the link with Air Berlin is certainly an interesting move against Lufthansa.


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12442 times:

Some announcements for Ryanair in the french market this week : A come back to Strasbourg and Clermont and a first time to Brive :

- Strasbourg to London Stansted (3x) and Porto (2x) Ryanair back to Strasbourg
- Clermont to Charleroi (2x) and Porto (2x) Ryanair to resume flights from central France
- Brive to Maastricht (2x) Ryanair Brive Maastricht



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User currently offlineskiaplg From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2012, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12398 times:

Somewhat good news for CFE - I've flown into the airport multiple times, and it's an absolute breeze there, I much prefer it to getting the train to Paris or Lyon. Does anyone know why the flights from CFE to AMS was withdrawn - when I flew it the flights were often full, and quite convenient to go on to KLM flights. I can only hope that FlyBe. will make their flights yearly some day so I'll be able to fly through SOU to EDI.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Porto flights did well, considering the amount of Portuguese in Clermont who frequently go home.


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12277 times:

Quoting skiaplg (Reply 84):
Does anyone know why the flights from CFE to AMS was withdrawn

Regional Airlines used to operate a relatively strong regional hub at Clermont during late 90s and early 2000s. Then Air France purchased Regional and so got two hubs close hubs serving the same markets : Lyons ans Clermont. AF gradually closed routes from CFE and serves today only ORY, CDG, LYS and NCE. Nantes and Amsterdam were the last routes to be dropped (late march 2012).


YS @ CFE 2002



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User currently offlineAquila3 From Italy, joined Nov 2010, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12246 times:

I really miss Regional.
It offered a nice and fast business service for almost everywhere in F from MXP. I still remember the "moving gate Bus " for connection in CFE.
You jumped off plane, collect your luggage, jump on the connecting bus, stop in front of your next plane, and three you go!
Everything without leaving the tarmac! Planes if I remember well where mostly Saab and Dornier Turbo Props, the latter really noisy stuff.
This of course before 9/11. Then I have been only once, and there was a sort of improvised "temporary" connecting gate building.
It was a little expensive, but it spared you a lot wasted time and troubles in CDG (one of few things that I really hate in F) , especially if you where going in smaller cities. I remember for example Brie, where, arriving in the night there was really nothing except the runaway, not even a Taxi, and I had to hook a ride with one of the Regional F/A. Nice and hard working people , BTW, I really hope they found other good jobs in the Industry after the advent of AF.



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12225 times:

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 86):
if I remember well where mostly Saab and Dornier Turbo Props

At the beginning :

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Indeed Saab :

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User currently offlineAquila3 From Italy, joined Nov 2010, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12213 times:

Yes, I clearly remember the Saab 2000, great bird, , landing with it in MXP with a shaky wind.
About the Dornier, I am not so sure . Did't they have also the smaller 228? Or am I confusing them with another regional of that times (Nurnberger Flug-something?).
BTW your last preview pictures point to completely unrelated planes, look at the 328, very funny!



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User currently offlineAF185 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2012, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11980 times:

According to Bloomberg, AF is planning to cut $645Million in spendings in order to reduce debts.

Quote:
Air France-KLM Group (AF) plans to cut capital spending by a further 500 million euros ($645 million) over the next two years as Europe’s biggest airline trims investments in a push to pare debt and lift profit margins.

Capital outlay will be reduced by 300 million euros next year and by 200 million euros in 2014, the Paris-based company said today in a statement. Operating profit should reach a level equivalent to 6 to 8 percent of sales in 2015, it added. “In view of the economic context, the group will announce a further reduction of capex compared with the plan presented last July,” Air France-KLM said prior to an investor briefing at the French capital’s Charles de Gaulle airport.

Under the ongoing Transform 2015 plan, Air France-KLM is seeking to shave 2 billion euros from net debt, with a 10 percent cut in costs excluding fuel. Employee expenses will be reduced by 400 million euros by 2014, aided by 735 departures already secured, and the medium-haul business should break even that year as the fleet is reduced by 34 aircraft, it said today


Full story on this link: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...ing-cuts-in-push-to-pare-debt.html


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7102 posts, RR: 17
Reply 90, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11835 times:

Quoting AF185 (Reply 89):

It mentions something like 750 jobs lost, are there any more that are going to be cut?



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11816 times:

AF announced today that they will drop the Strasbourg Airport - Paris CDG route on april 1st. From april 2nd the 4 daily roundtrip operated by E70 will be replaced by 4 daily TGV from Strasbourg Station to Roissy Station. The train + flight combos will be bookable from december 13th :

in french : http://alsace.france3.fr/2012/12/10/tgv-air-france-161801.html

By coincidence LH has operated its first European Parliament Session flight FRA - SXB today :

LH1072

Hopefully it could become a regular service to compensate the SXB - CDG closure.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 92, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11752 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 91):

I really hope they do, taking the bus is beyond nasty- well I hate buses. I know Aegean has special flights from Athens to Strasbourg during the session.

How long is the flight from Frankfurt to Strasbourg?


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11715 times:

The schedule is : FRA 1350 - 1440 SXB. LH 1072 departed at 1359 and arrived at 1438 today. As seen on the Flightradar 24 screenshot above, the A319 took off from rwy 18 at FRA and landed on rwy 23 at SXB. I guess that with this configuration the airborne time should be 20 or 25 minutes.


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User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 94, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11698 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 93):

Wonderful, thank you very much for that.


User currently offlinesxb From France, joined Sep 2008, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11692 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 92):
I really hope they do, taking the bus is beyond nasty- well I hate buses.

Have you considered by train?
I have done it on several occasion to Offenburg, it takes about 1h30 compared to 2h45 to Strasbourg by bus. You can usually connect to Strasbourg pretty easily and get decent fares (20 to 30 euros o/w).



SXB
User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 96, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11683 times:

Quoting sxb (Reply 95):

Well I usually come from Larnaca, hence why the complication. I usually have to go Larnaca-Athens-Frankfurt-Strasbourg, it is the cheapest and the most convenient. Naturally Paris would make more sense but the flights are not daily and Cyprus Airways likes to go crazy with their fares to CDG.


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11661 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 94):

You are welcome

Quoting JU068 (Reply 96):

I was wondering if the new SXB - FCO route could be an alternative. The schedules are good for connecting BUT the days of operation are not the same...

CY316 / AZ7701 LCA 0925 - 1140 FCO -2-4-6-- AF3251 / AZ7366 FCO 1315 - 1500 SXB 1-3-5-7
AF3250 / AZ7367 SXB 1030 - 1205 FCO 1-3-5-7 CY317 / AZ7700 FCO 1240 - 1645 LCA -2-4-6--

If one of these routes sees frequency increase (or change) it would be fine for your routing.



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User currently offlineDeSCL From Chile, joined Apr 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11622 times:

Does anyone know if Air France has plans to increase CDG-SCL? Or maybe start AMS-SCL by KLM?
How profitable is the route? I know the load factors are very good, but I would like to know how is it doing in terms of profitabilty...


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 579 posts, RR: 1
Reply 99, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11644 times:

Quoting DeSCL (Reply 98):
Does anyone know if Air France has plans to increase CDG-SCL?

Air France has decided to deploy the 77W to SCL on a year-round basis (along with the 772). Previously, the 77W was only deployed to SCL during the southern summer season.



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User currently offlineDeSCL From Chile, joined Apr 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11614 times:

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 99):

Thats good to know, but Im surprised they are keeping the same capacity this summer (southern hemisphere), as compared to last year, while they have been growing by 15%-20% this year.


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 101, posted (1 year 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 11601 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 97):

Thanks for that! Honestly, at times I feel as if we are the appendix of Europe, it is quite hard and expensive to reach any secondary city in Europe. Even this summer when Transavia launched their flights from Orly they charged around €330 for a return flight- for that money I can just fly on Cyprus Airways.
This combination with Aegean, Lufthansa and their bus, comes out the cheapest, usually around €380. Flying to Stuttgart or Paris and then taking the train costs around €500.
Even taking the special Aegean flight to Strasbourg requires you to spend a night in Athens.


User currently offlinesxb From France, joined Sep 2008, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (1 year 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 11780 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 96):
Well I usually come from Larnaca, hence why the complication. I usually have to go Larnaca-Athens-Frankfurt-Strasbourg, it is the cheapest and the most convenient. Naturally Paris would make more sense but the flights are not daily and Cyprus Airways likes to go crazy with their fares to CDG.

Forgot to specify that I was referring to Frankfurt and not CDG. It can be faster to take the train from Frankfurt airport to Strasbourg than taking LH bus service. Not the most convenient trip to book, but faster.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 101):
at times I feel as if we are the appendix of Europe,

I sometimes feel the same about Strasbourg...



SXB
User currently offlinesxb From France, joined Sep 2008, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (1 year 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 11770 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 101):

Looks like TUI is going to operate a direct LCA-BSL on Fridays starting May 17 (saw prices around 300€).



SXB
User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11413 times:

The Regional BritAir Airlinair operations pool (PRF / Pole Regional Francais) begins to take shape. I have checked some AF routes for the next summer season and it appears that some sectors are operated by either Regional or BritAir airframes :

0640 SXB - BOD CR7 DB
1440 SXB - BOD ER4 YS
1905 SXB - BOD CR7 DB

Moreover, the 4 weekly SXB-FCO service will become a 5 weekly LIL-SXB-FCO (+1 weekly SXB-FCO) :

AF 3250 / AZ 7367 LIL 0700 - 0755 SXB 0825 - 1000 FCO ----5-- ER4
AF 3250 / AZ 7367 LIL 1135 - 1230 SXB 1300 - 1435 FCO 1234--- ER4
AF 3250 / AZ 7367 SXB 1420 - 1555 FCO ------7 ER4

AF 3251 / AZ 7366 FCO 1040 - 1225 SXB 1255 - 1355 LIL ----5-- ER4
AF 3251 / AZ 7366 FCO 1515 - 1700 SXB 1730 - 1830 LIL 1234--- ER4
AF 3251 / AZ 7366 FCO 1635 - 1820 SXB ------7 ER4



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11156 times:

Alitalia will launch 2 weekly Rome FCO - Montpellier starting march 31st :

AZ 398 FCO 0830 - 1005 MPL ---4--7 E75
AZ 399 MPL 1100 - 1230 FCO ---4--7 E75



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User currently offlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 609 posts, RR: 16
Reply 106, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10978 times:

Finally AF will continue to operate LAX - PPT, at least until Dec. 31, 2014.
AF have signed an agreement with the two largest unions in Tahiti, which will result in 1 more day of work per month and "frozen" wages during 3 years for FAs...
Simultaneously, AF will increase their capacity on the route by 25%. I suppose they will deploy the 777 COI...

Souce (sorry, in French only so far) : http://www.air-journal.fr/2012-12-23...tera-presente-a-tahiti-563187.html



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10938 times:

KL wil increase AMS-LYS as of S13. The new flight will be KL1417/8 and will be operated by a F70 with the following daily schedule:

AMS dep 1155 – LYS arr 1330
LYS dep 1405 – AMS arr 1545


User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 108, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10940 times:

Quoting DeSCL (Reply 98):

Does anyone know if Air France has plans to increase CDG-SCL? Or maybe start AMS-SCL by KLM?
How profitable is the route? I know the load factors are very good, but I would like to know how is it doing in terms of profitabilty...

I have heard many times that CDG-SCL is a very good route for AF in terms of profitability.

Quoting Azure (Reply 106):
Simultaneously, AF will increase their capacity on the route by 25%. I suppose they will deploy the 777 COI...

I doubt it will be the case. The COI configuration is totally inadapted to the CDG-LAX sector and I also doubt they will base a COI 77W in PPT just to operate the PPT-LAX sector. This is very costly and will be very inefficient.


User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1038 posts, RR: 34
Reply 109, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10935 times:
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Ia Orana all !

No 77W COI to PPT, we'll keep the 35J 77E for now. When the Tahiti manager talked about increased capacity of 25% he was talking of what had happened when we went from 4P 77E to 35J 77E.
Also, PPT can not welcome the 77W for now as the runway and parking stands haven't been reinforced for now but the works should start within the next couple of years.

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10632 times:

Volotea has released its schedule for september and october 2013. In the domestic french market, NTE - SXB and BOD - SXB will see frequency increase from 5 weekly flights to daily.


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User currently offlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 609 posts, RR: 16
Reply 111, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 10145 times:

NCE has released its figures for 2012. The airport received over 11 M Passengers in 2012 (+7.4%). The new AF regional base is one of the reasons stated by the airport authority to explain this growth - an interesting note 24 hours after rumours of closing said base as currently discussed in this thread : Rumor : Air France To Close Its Regional Bases (by Alsatian Jan 2 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Internationally, LON remains the main destination in 2012 (+9,5%). Spain is growing by a substantial +48% (I suppose this is the Vueling effect).
QR seems to be doing very well also (almost +150% in august)...

Source : http://www.nicematin.com/nice/laerop...-de-passagers-en-2012.1101482.html



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 10029 times:

Quoting Azure (Reply 111):
NCE has released its figures for 2012. The airport received over 11 M Passengers in 2012 (+7.4%)

Will be interesting to see if Air France is still carrier # 1 @ NCE or if easyJet is now the leader of the first french airport outside Paris.



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User currently offlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 609 posts, RR: 16
Reply 113, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9865 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 112):
Will be interesting to see if Air France is still carrier # 1 @ NCE or if easyJet is now the leader of the first french airport outside Paris.

The detailed statistics for 2012 have not been published yet but in 2011, U2 had 2,304,000 passengers to/from NCE vs AF 2,698,000...

http://www.nice.aeroport.fr/Aeroport...-Medias/Statistiques/Trafic-annuel



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User currently offlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 609 posts, RR: 16
Reply 114, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9690 times:

After NCE, MRS has released its figures for 2012 : the trafic increased by +12.7%, the highest figure for french airports and the 4th one among the 80 first european airports (behind Bucarest, Istanbul and Moscow).
"According to the airport, the nonstops, operated by Air France in particular (23%) and Ryanair (37%), contributed to these figures".
Certainly a great success for MRS and FR, but also for AF with its first regional base, at least from an operational aspect...

Source : http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-eco/201...rt-de-marseille-bond-du-trafic.php



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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9402 times:

I just read an article in the Tribune de Geneve about the possibility of air service between Annecy and Paris being discontinued. I didn't even realize the flights had been downgraded from Airlinair ATRs to Chalair BE-1900s. I'm sure the TGV link is a factor but these flights have existed forever, I remember the Air Alpes days and acually got to fly the jumpseat on a TAT F28 from NCY to Orly. Has the demand really fizzled? At one point I remember seeing 3 flights on weekdays and 1 or 2 flights on weekends. Hard to believe the market can't sustain at least a daily flight.


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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 116, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9356 times:

Quoting Falcon Flyer (Reply 115):
I just read an article in the Tribune de Geneve about the possibility of air service between Annecy and Paris being discontinued. I didn't even realize the flights had been downgraded from Airlinair ATRs to Chalair BE-1900s. I'm sure the TGV link is a factor but these flights have existed forever, I remember the Air Alpes days and acually got to fly the jumpseat on a TAT F28 from NCY to Orly. Has the demand really fizzled? At one point I remember seeing 3 flights on weekdays and 1 or 2 flights on weekends. Hard to believe the market can't sustain at least a daily flight.

I didn't know either that Airlinair was not operating the flight anymore. Unfortunately, the reason is still the same : TGV !!
Very sad indeed  


User currently offlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 609 posts, RR: 16
Reply 117, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9330 times:

Quoting Falcon Flyer (Reply 115):
I'm sure the TGV link is a factor
Quoting goldorak (Reply 116):
the reason is still the same : TGV !!

The TGV is certainly one of the reasons but GVA is another one : it is a one hour drive away and it offers far more frequencies + U2...



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User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 118, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9195 times:

Quoting Azure (Reply 117):
The TGV is certainly one of the reasons but GVA is another one : it is a one hour drive away and it offers far more frequencies + U2...

You are correct. TGV is killing the route to Paris but GVA is giving many travel opportunities to Annecy people.


User currently offlinesxb From France, joined Sep 2008, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9061 times:

SunExpress to Start Strasbourg - Izmir Service from April 2013

http://airlineroute.net/2013/01/18/xq-sxb-apr13/



SXB
User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3442 posts, RR: 6
Reply 120, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8968 times:

The LYS-TUN route is to be operated by Transavia. Tunisair seems more efficient than AF on that route.

User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8511 times:

German carrier BinAir will get subsidiaries (370 000 euros) to operate during 7 months a Dole - Paris Orly route with Swearingen Metroliner. Four round trips on weekday are due to start late march with a 80 euros one-way ticket. Dole is a small city but well located between Dijon and Besancon, however it seems weird to launch such a route as the best time to connect Dole to Paris with TGV is 2 hours and 2 minutes. Let's see.

In french : Un Dole –Orly estival approuvé et contesté



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User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 122, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8371 times:

AirFrance-KLM has chosen the name "Hop" to unite the regional services of Alinair, Brit Air and Régional.
"Hop" will have a combined fleet of 86 to 98 ac (*) and will serve 136 airports in France and Europe.
http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...ance-unveils-hop-regional-branding
I'm not quite sure to like the name and the livery.
(*) varies according to sources.

[Edited 2013-01-28 15:23:27]

User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 123, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8276 times:

Sorry, I did not see that there was a separate thread on this particular subject.
No a French news then?


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8184 times:

HOP! by Air France will launch direct services from Montpellier to Lille and Strasbourg starting April 1st. A5 will face up to Volotea on the LIL route and to Volotea and Twin Jet and the SXB route.

A5 3473 MPL 0830 -1000 LIL 12345-- ER4
A5 3473 MPL 1250 -1420 LIL -----6-- E70
A5 3477 MPL 1950 -2120 LIL ------7 E70
A5 3477 MPL 2000 -2130 LIL 12345-- E70

A5 3470 LIL 0630 - 0800 MPL 12345-- E70
A5 3470 LIL 0700 - 0830 MPL -----6- E70
A5 3474 LIL 1400 - 1530 MPL ------7 E70
A5 3474 LIL 1440 - 1610 MPL 12345-- ER4


A5 3481 MPL 0830 - 0945 SXB 12345-- ? (find it in the timetable but not bookable)
A5 3481 MPL 0910 - 1025 SXB -----6- E70
A5 3485 MPL 1610 - 1725 SXB ------7 E70
A5 3485 MPL 1650 - 1805 SXB 12345-- ER4

A5 3482 SXB 1020 - 1135 MPL 12345-- ?
A5 3482 SXB 1100 - 1215 MPL -----6- E70
A5 3486 SXB 1800 - 1915 MPL ------7 E70
A5 3486 SXB 1835 - 1950 MPL 12345-- ER4

E70 routing : LIL - MPL - NTE - ZZZ - NTE - MPL - NTE - MPL - LIL

There are some gaps in the ER4s schedules but I cannot match it with the other AF routes to/from Montpellier ( CDG ORY LYS and NTE ). Maybe some modifications or announcements to come.



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7799 times:

Rossiya will enter in the Moscow - Nice market. Starting 03MAR, the airline will offer 3 weekly direct service from Domodedovo to the french riviera. To be daily service from 07MAY. 128411 passengers have flown between the two cities last year (+18%). S13 schedules :

FY 231 DME 0835 - 1045 NCE 1234567 319
SU 2470 SVO 1115 - 1315 NCE 1234567 321
SU 2472 SVO 1510- 1705 NCE 1234567 321
SU 2476 SVO 1900 - 2105 NCE ----5-7 321



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7416 times:

Vueling will resume Barcelona - Strasbourg route from june 2nd :

VY 2300 BCN 1015 - 1210 SXB 1---5-7 319
VY 2301 SXB 1240 - 1420 BCN 1---5-7 319

http://www.vueling.com/en/



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User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2396 posts, RR: 4
Reply 127, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7341 times:

I heard rumors about a possible AirFrance A340 lease to ETIHAD... Is it true? And if, will the aircraft reconfigured to EY standards?

User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7338 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 127):

Yes that is true. Article quoted here : Etihad - Jet Airways Deal Finalized? (by dtwlax Jan 25 2013 in Civil Aviation) (reply #10)



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6950 times:

According to ledauphine.com, Transavia could launch a 2 weekly Paris Orly - Chambery service for the next winter season. The last PAR - CMF route operated until 2002.

In french : Paris Chambery en avion dès l hiver prochain



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6753 times:

Hello,

Here are the first pictures of HOP! for Airfrance :


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Wabgs
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Photo © Alsatian D


So a new hope for Airfrance ?



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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 131, posted (1 year 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 130):
Here are the first pictures of HOP! for Airfrance :
So a new hope for Airfrance ?

I hope so, and I hope this boosts LYS again. It was one of my favorite airports to transfer for intra-EU flights, but has lost a lot of connectivity these past years...


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 132, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6345 times:

The tail scheme doesn't work on T-tail planes.


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User currently offlinesxb From France, joined Sep 2008, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6229 times:

Volotea could announce a new base in SXB today (in french below).

http://www.strasbourg.eu/actualite/-..._p_col_id=column-1&p_p_col_count=1



SXB
User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

French airports february passengers statistics :

CDG 4.076.931 -1,6 %
ORY 1.829.583 -2,1 %
NCE
LYS 577.556 -3,4 %
MRS 498.120 +4,8 %
TLS 536.316 +6,1 %
BSL 361.674 +10 %
BOD 288.426 +4,6 %

French airports january/february passengers statistics :

CDG 8.402.265 -2,3 %
ORY 3.739.808 -2,7 %
NCE
LYS 1.159.259 -0,4 %
MRS 1.003.496 +2,6 %
TLS 1.061.217 +3,6 %
BSL 697.736 +8,0 %
BOD 573.428 +1,8 %

http://www.aerobuzz.fr/spip.php?article3270



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User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2396 posts, RR: 4
Reply 135, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

AIGLE AZUR France is now also offering limited domestic flights ORY-NCE 2x weekly - will we see more domestic flights soon? Unfortunately, one way flights are very expansive 93€ (129€ return) compared to easyjet and Air France - any idea why?

User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4383 posts, RR: 76
Reply 136, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5666 times:
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Quoting Alsatian (Reply 134):
French airports february passengers statistics :

Thanks !
You're seeing the first impacts of the *Transform 2015* plan : the development of the bases of Marseilles, Toulouse and Bordeaux, and the reduction of traffic for CDG and ORY, all due to the transfer of fleet to the province airports.



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User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 13
Reply 137, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5661 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 136):
You're seeing the first impacts of the *Transform 2015* plan : the development of the bases of Marseilles, Toulouse and Bordeaux, and the reduction of traffic for CDG and ORY, all due to the transfer of fleet to the province airports.

Very interesting.

Just a question for my understanding: when you say that this is the result of "Transform 2015", does that mean that this is another effect than the "Bases de Province"? They have been around since longer, and so their effect should have been noticed earlier (and possibly it has been seen but I am not aware of it).

Can one tell the difference between the impact of Transform 2015 vs. Bases de Province after having closed some routes vs. Bases de Province when they started?


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5593 times:

Quoting mozart (Reply 137):
does that mean that this is another effect than the "Bases de Province"?

Yes indeed. TLS and NCE bases have been launched on April 2012 so there is an impact on the January and February 2013 figures even if many routes have been dropped in the meantime.
However we have to keep in mind that easyJet has also started its own TLS and NCE bases at the same time so AF is not the only reason of the pax increases. Volotea has also open a base in NTE last summer and opened several routes from BOD LIL and SXB.



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

Twin Jet will launch Lille - Basle route starting may 13th :

T7 071 LIL 0700 - 0820 BSL 1234 BEH
T7 077 LIL 1745 - 1905 BSL 12345 BEH

T7 072 BSL 0850 - 1010 LIL 1234 BEH
T7 078 BSL 1935 - 2055 LIL 12345 BEH



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User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 139):
Twin Jet will launch Lille - Basle route starting may 13th :

T7 071 LIL 0700 - 0820 BSL 1234 BEH
T7 077 LIL 1745 - 1905 BSL 12345 BEH

T7 072 BSL 0850 - 1010 LIL 1234 BEH
T7 078 BSL 1935 - 2055 LIL 12345 BEH

Hmm, those are exactly the timings for of the current BSL-MRS flights. I hope this doesn't mean that route is cancelled....


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5378 times:

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 140):

I do not think that it means another route will be dropped. Maybe they will get an additional Beech 1900.



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User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5365 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 141):
I do not think that it means another route will be dropped. Maybe they will get an additional Beech 1900.

I hope so! As the timings are exactly the same, including the not-flying of the morning rotation on day 5.


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 142):

Don't worry. Most of the Twin Jet routes ( SXB - MPL , ETZ - MRS , ETZ - TLS , MRS - BSL , MRS - PUF , TLS - BSL ) are operated with these schedules two times on weekdays exept friday mornings.



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User currently offlineroberts87 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5274 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 143):
Don't worry. Most of the Twin Jet routes ( SXB - MPL , ETZ - MRS , ETZ - TLS , MRS - BSL , MRS - PUF , TLS - BSL ) are operated with these schedules two times on weekdays exept friday mornings.

Thanks! This will be the 3rd time I am trying to get on a Beech 1900, will be a shame if I fail again  


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5024 times:

AirFrance plans to operate the Bordeaux - CDG link by high speed trains starting 2017. At this date the TGV journey time between the two cities will fall from 3 hours to 2 hours and 5 minutes.

in french : Bordeaux-Roissy se fera en train en 2017

AF currently operates dedicated high speed trains from CDG to Brussels and Strasbourg.

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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 146, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 145):
AirFrance plans to operate the Bordeaux - CDG link by high speed trains starting 2017. At this date the TGV journey time between the two cities will fall from 3 hours to 2 hours and 5 minutes.

in french : Bordeaux-Roissy se fera en train en 2017

If you can't beat 'em, join them. Multi-modal transportation is the way of the future, and the correct strategy in the long term. But still remarkable that a destination as far south as BOD will now be TGV territory.

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 145):
AF currently operates dedicated high speed trains from CDG to Brussels and Strasbourg.

At 2:30h, Strabourg is really at the limit of what I consider viable for TGV to fully subsitute air, but AFAIK will be brought down to 2h when phase 2 opens. Eventually, anything within 2h of CDG will be TGV territory.


User currently offlineicna05e From France, joined Feb 2006, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4831 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 145):

AirFrance plans to operate the Bordeaux - CDG link by high speed trains starting 2017. At this date the TGV journey time between the two cities will fall from 3 hours to 2 hours and 5 minutes.

I highly doubt it. Bordeaux-Paris might be then doable in 2h05 but not Bordeaux-CdG: it takes around an hour to circumnavigate around Paris on a good day. Moreover, that is done on heavily used railways (freight, regional trains, RER) which makes the journey times quite unreliable... That's why you don't see NTE treated the way SXB while being a faster journey to Paris.
There is a plan to build HS railways around Paris but those are faaaaar from fruition; interesting thing is they will include a new station: Aéroport d'Orly". So yes I think they might operate a Bordeaux/Nantes-ORY-CDG sector by train sometime but probably around the mid-2020s.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 146):
At 2:30h, Strabourg is really at the limit of what I consider viable for TGV to fully subsitute air, but AFAIK will be brought down to 2h when phase 2 opens.

Indeed it's surprising they didn't wait until "LGV EST phase 2" is achieved to stop flying CDG-SXB.
Get those HSR built already, it's time we stop wasting 3t of fuel to fly 150 people over 500km!


User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 878 posts, RR: 2
Reply 148, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

How is doing UN on ORY-VKO and ORY-DME? How are the load factors?

User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2551 posts, RR: 1
Reply 149, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4778 times:

Quoting icna05e (Reply 147):
I highly doubt it. Bordeaux-Paris might be then doable in 2h05 but not Bordeaux-CdG: it takes around an hour to circumnavigate around Paris on a good day. Moreover, that is done on heavily used railways (freight, regional trains, RER) which makes the journey times quite unreliable... That's why you don't see NTE treated the way SXB while being a faster journey to Paris.
There is a plan to build HS railways around Paris but those are faaaaar from fruition; interesting thing is they will include a new station: Aéroport d'Orly". So yes I think they might operate a Bordeaux/Nantes-ORY-CDG sector by train sometime but probably around the mid-2020s.

Good point. Bordeaux-CDG by TGV is really only a viable proposition if/once the "Interconnection Sud" around Paris ist built. And I highly doubt that will be in 2017... as for the new ORY station, AFAIK the exact location is not decided, in my opinion it's essential that it be built in-terminal (like CDG) and not off the airport site.


User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

French airports march passengers numbers :

CDG 5 033 543 + 1,9 %
ORY 2 258 575 + 2,7 %
NCE 784 483 + 3 %
LYS 697 034 + 3,9 %
TLS 639 716 + 7,7 %
MRS 585 622 - 2,6 %
BSL 432 255 + 8 %
BOD 350 463 + 4,2 %

http://www.aerobuzz.fr/spip.php?article3358



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

SkyTaxi will launch a Dole Jura - Nice route on behalf of IGavion starting 2JUN :

TE 312 DLE 1430 - 1550 NCE -2-4--7 SF3
TE 314 NCE 1630 - 1750 DLE -2-4--7 SF3

http://www.igavion.fr/



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4076 times:

Here were are, easyJet has overtaken AirFrance at Nice. For the first time, AF is not the #1 carrier in major french airport ( CDG - ORY - NCE - MRS - TLS - LYS - BOD... )

NCE April numbers :

1 U2 260 728 + 8,6%
2 AF 249 050 - 2,9%
3 BA 58 626 + 8,5%



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Twin Jet will launch Toulouse - Milan Malpensa service starting 09SEP. EasyJet currently operates this route but will drop it from October :

T7 081 TLS 0635 - 0815 MXP X67 BEH
T7 085 TLS 1325 - 1505 MXP X67 BEH
T7 087 TLS 1745 - 1925 MXP X6 BEH

T7 082 MXP 0845 - 1025 TLS X67 BEH
T7 086 MXP 1535 - 1715 TLS X67 BEH
T7 088 MXP 1955 - 2135 TLS X6 BEH



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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

Scheduled services are back at Epinal airport. SkyTaxi will launch a route to Nice on behalf of IGavion this summer :

TE 354 NCE 1140 - 1315 EPL ---4--7 SF3 24JUN-15SEP
TE 356 EPL 1400 - 1535 NCE ---4--7 SF3 24JUN-15SEP

http://www.igavion.fr/en/



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