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SK To Start Non Stop CPH-SFO  
User currently offlinehaf From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 17 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13976 times:

I have not been able to find a formal announcement yet but I was checking the SAS site earlier today for an upcoming trip to Copenhagen out of SFO next spring and i noticed that they have just loaded a non stop SFO-CPH operating daily except Tuesdays.... starting April 10th 2013...

it will be awesome to have SAS at SFO. This route has been rumored for long time, it seems it is becoming real

17:35 - 13:15 +1 10:40 SFO - CPH
SK936 San Francisco (Terminal I) - Copenhagen (Terminal 3)
Operated by: Scandinavian Airlines Aircraft: Airbus Industrie A340-300

12:55 - 15:15 11:20 CPH - SFO
SK935 Copenhagen (Terminal 3) - San Francisco (Terminal I)
Operated by: Scandinavian Airlines Aircraft: Airbus Industrie A340-300

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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5911 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13967 times:

*blink*

I did not that see that coming.

Quoting haf (Thread starter):
This route has been rumored for long time, it seems it is becoming real

I don't think "a long time" quite covers how long this has been at the rumour stage  


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13913 times:

I think this is the fourth time this route has been announced since 2000. I hope it comes to fruition this time around.


John@SFO
User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6001 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13623 times:

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 1):
I did not that see that coming.

Really? I thought it was a matter of time being a Star carrier. This probably will not be the last Star carrier to added SFO in the next few years/



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13572 times:
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This is just great news.

Come on SK, make LAX next


User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13520 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 5):
SK, make LAX next

No IAH!!!!!   



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User currently offlinecopenhagenboy From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 595 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13450 times:

Also CPH-EWR will go from 7 to 11 flights.
But I don't believe it before there is an official announcement from SAS AND we are in April 2013.
BTW from were will they get the planes? will they axe some of their Asian routes?
I could see CPH-BKK gone next summer, sadly with the proud history this route has had.

[Edited 2012-07-04 19:53:16]

User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1217 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13317 times:

Great another moneyloosing route from CPH...

SK cant fly to California to far away and to few connections etc.
CPH isnt that connected with IT, IT is in Sweden and Norway.

Ah well, Im sure some routeplanner is happy with that...
When they are at it why dont they try to get a piece of the cruisetraffic to CPH that is so low yielding they loose money on every passenger that flies again.
Was another of those bright ideas...



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User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13295 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 5):
This is just great news.

Come on SK, make LAX next

Isn't MIA a popular rumor to get service? I have read on a few occasions that people have speculated that MIA would get non-stop service to CPH and possible ARN.


User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 13140 times:

Didn't they fly this via SEA up until the mid-2000s? What's changed that makes this viable now, in a comparatively horrid economy?

User currently offlinesas767 From Denmark, joined Dec 1999, 407 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 13053 times:

According to CPHtraveller.dk SAS has now confirmed the route to SFO. Press Release will come out soon...

Great news!

Link (sorry in Danish only):
http://cphtraveller.dk/nyheder/sas-a...-kobenhavn-og-udvider-til-new-york


User currently offlineLH707330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12947 times:

Quoting panam330 (Reply 10):
Didn't they fly this via SEA up until the mid-2000s? What's changed that makes this viable now, in a comparatively horrid economy?

I used to see their A340s flying into Seattle in the afternoons, I think they dropped it in late 2009, probably due to connections (LH 491 gets you way more connections when it arrives in FRA in the early morning). As far as SFO, the bay is buzzing with tech stuff, so I can see that getting more attention.


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6669 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12622 times:

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 8):
Ah well, Im sure some routeplanner is happy with that...

I'm also happy I'd far rather stop off in SFO on my way back to NZ than Tokyo or Hong Kong.


User currently offlineokobjorn From Denmark, joined Jun 2011, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12481 times:

The route to SEA was discontinued due to the loss of a cargo contract which was very profitable. Without this contract they started to lose money.

What I am wondering is the same as CopenhagenBoy Where will they get the planes?
This week saw several cancellations due to a plane going tech at ORD, and they have no spare plane.
So either, they will ax a route or two, or they will add capacity. I hope the latter, as SK seems a little below the critical mass.


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12473 times:

Press release is out confirming 6x weekly SFO and increasing EWR to 10 x weekly from april 2013

(Only in Swedish so far)
http://www.cisionwire.se/sas/r/sas-o...isco-och-okar-pa-new-york,c9280946

Quoting legacyins (Reply 2):
I think this is the fourth time this route has been announced since 2000

Third. It was announced in 2001 and 2007/2008 also. The first nevner materialized due to 9-11 and the second one due to the financial crisis in 2008/2009

Quoting copenhagenboy (Reply 7):

Also CPH-EWR will go from 7 to 11 flights.

10, by added an evening departure (SK901/902) three days a week

Quoting copenhagenboy (Reply 7):
BTW from were will they get the planes? will they axe some of their Asian routes?
I could see CPH-BKK gone next summer, sadly with the proud history this route has had.

No new planes are coming in so my predictions is that BKK will close, as the yield here is supposed to be mediocre. Competition here is hard, and increasing due to the Middle-East carriers and probably soon Norwegian. So SAS should let their partner Thai fly this for them, and when their announced JV with Singapore Airlines comes into effect, South-East Asia should be well covered.

In my view this makes sense, I as think they will make more money on SFO than BKK

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 9):
Isn't MIA a popular rumor to get service? I have read on a few occasions that people have speculated that MIA would get non-stop service to CPH and possible ARN.

SAS will not start MIA. Florida is low yielding and MIA is not a Star hub, so forget about it. Those rumours you're hearing are wish thinking and nothing else

Quoting panam330 (Reply 10):

Didn't they fly this via SEA up until the mid-2000s? What's changed that makes this viable now, in a comparatively horrid economy?

No, they never flew to SFO. Back in the very old days (pre 1980s or so) they flew CPH-SEA-LAX, but when LAX was closed in 1994, it was non-stop


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1806 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12442 times:

I used to fly SK on CPH-LAX on their DC10s   Havent been flying SK forever.. I just dont like them anymore..

User currently offlinebrissedk From Denmark, joined Nov 2007, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12334 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 15):
No new planes are coming in so my predictions is that BKK will close, as the yield here is supposed to be mediocre. Competition here is hard, and increasing due to the Middle-East carriers and probably soon Norwegian. So SAS should let their partner Thai fly this for them, and when their announced JV with Singapore Airlines comes into effect, South-East Asia should be well covered.

Makes sense.

TG also has the flexibility to adjust the size of plane according to seasonal fluctuations, and they have a cost benefit compared to SK.

Next year TG will replace the aging 744 with 77W to CPH, effetively decreasing the number of seats overall, but increasing premium capacity. This was speculated to be an indication that TG would go double-daily to CPH. With this move by SK I'm certain that TG will go double-daily in the high-season, and adjust in the low-season.

Cheers,
BJ



Frequent flyer based in CPH - mostly heading to: OSL, HEL, KEF, FAE and EWR
User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12299 times:
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Great news SAS!! A CPH connection is a lot easier than a LHR/FRA/EWR connection to get on the SK codeshare flights  
Quoting someone83 (Reply 15):
No new planes are coming in so my predictions is that BKK will close, as the yield here is supposed to be mediocre

I am not sure that they will or need to close any route to fly to SFO. They now have 11 LH aircraft again (4 330s and 7 340s) which the also had when the used to fly to SEA. I don't think that it is very unlikely to see another (leased) 330 or two in SK colors soon.

On a side note a closure of BKK would be disastrous for me, as I fly it on average three times a year  

[Edited 2012-07-05 01:20:54]


2-3-2 is NOT a premium configuration
User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12265 times:

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 18):
I am not sure that they will or need to close any route to fly to SFO. They now have 11 LH aircraft again (4 330s and 7 340s) which the also had when the used to fly to SEA. I don't think that it is very unlikely to see another 330 or two in SK colors soon.

To start SFO they need to cut another route, or get a new plane. When they flew CPH-SEA, CPH-PVG and OSL-EWR didn't operate.

With the current program, their 11 aircrafts are fully utilized


User currently offlinebrissedk From Denmark, joined Nov 2007, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12213 times:

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 18):
On a side note a closure of BKK would be disastrous for me, as I fly it on average three times a year

Hopefully not. TG will take over with brand new 77W.

Cheers,
BJ



Frequent flyer based in CPH - mostly heading to: OSL, HEL, KEF, FAE and EWR
User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12069 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 5):
Come on SK, make LAX next

I would really like it if SK returns to LAX.  
Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 6):
No IAH!!!!!

There is a news article today that says SK is thinking about a OSL-IAH route to connect the two oil cities together. That would be nice.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 13):
I'm also happy I'd far rather stop off in SFO on my way back to NZ than Tokyo or Hong Kong.

Me too. Maybe I will fly with SAS next year when I visit my sister and brother in law in Hamilton.

Quoting sweair (Reply 16):
I used to fly SK on CPH-LAX on their DC10s

So did I! I really enjoyed those flights!

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 18):
I don't think that it is very unlikely to see another (leased) 330 or two in SK colors soon.

I would think so too, but according to the SK CEO even if they are replacing the A340 with brand new HGW A333, they are unlikely to add intercontinental capacity. I hope he changes his opinion!



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User currently offlineEBGARN From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11817 times:

There's a constant misunderstanding about the yield of the CPH - BKK route. At least I won't change my view until I've seen some hard numbers.

Just because Thailand is a low yield destination, it doesn't necessarily mean that this route is. I have been on this route about 30 - 40 times in the C cabin, and my destination has never been Thailand. From what I've seen and heard around me, that is also the case for almost all other C passengers. "We" travel to/from SIN, KUL, MNL, TPE, HKG etc, and we all connect through BKK and SK973/972.


Note: Copehagenboy - Sorry for the accusation before. I remembered wrongly.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2885 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11682 times:

Quoting panam330 (Reply 10):
Didn't they fly this via SEA up until the mid-2000s? What's changed that makes this viable now, in a comparatively horrid economy?

The star A presence at SFO, will make this route a better contender than SEA-CPH did at the end. As stated above cargo was big for SK and when cargo was no longer able to carry the flight, the low yield bulk ticket business they had gotten into, was unable to keep the flight profitable. Premium was not a huge percentage of those seats, and wasn't SK offering a less amenity driven premium product vs it's rival competitors BA, LH, DL/NW all with non-stops to Europe and connections onwards to Scandinavia or elsewhere?  



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User currently offlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1044 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11354 times:

Quoting EBGARN (Reply 22):
There's a constant misunderstanding about the yield of the CPH - BKK route. At least I won't change my view until I've seen some hard numbers.

Just because Thailand is a low yield destination, it doesn't necessarily mean that this route is. I have been on this route about 30 - 40 times in the C cabin, and my destination has never been Thailand. From what I've seen and heard around me, that is also the case for almost all other C passengers. "We" travel to/from SIN, KUL, MNL, TPE, HKG etc, and we all connect through BKK and SK973/972.

Totally agree.
Until I see the actual, non-manipulated figures, then I will believe.
And I'm sure, BKK won't be closed anytime soon!  

Since flight will start APR 2013, I'm sure, BKK/NRT/PVG frequencies will be reduced.
Say 4-5 weekly BKK, 4-5 weekly NRT and 3-4 weekly PVG.
They are back with 7 x 340-300s frames so it should be okay.



Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently offlinestgs1988 From Denmark, joined Sep 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11376 times:

Official Press Release in English


Scandinavian Airlines is continuing to expand its network and will add an
additional nine weekly services to the US: a new six weekly route between
Copenhagen and San Francisco, commencing April 8, 2013 and a new evening
departure to New York three times a week as of April 1, 2013.
North America is an important and growing market for SAS. A large number of
International and Nordic companies have expressed a strong desire for a direct
service between the US West Coast and the Nordic countries, and SAS is pleased
to offer this new route with six weekly departures year-round between Copenhagen
and San Francisco, with smooth connections to other European and Northern
American destinations.

"SAS is always looking to serve markets where there is high demand from Nordic
Travelers. We see a favorable market situation in North America and a
particularly strong demand in the growth area of San Francisco and the US West
Coast. The new route will benefit business and leisure travelers, Nordic imports
and exports and has been highly sought after by the business community," says
Rickard Gustafson, CEO of SAS Group.

The important hub of the US West Coast, San Francisco International Airport,
offers fast and efficient transfers to an extensive SAS partner route network on
the US West Coast and the South Pacific area, including Hawaii, Los Angeles, Las
Vegas, San Diego, Seattle, Vancouver and Mexico City.

Three more frequencies to New York

A large number of SAS passengers have expressed a strong desire for additional
departures from Copenhagen to Newark. By popular demand, SAS is pleased to bring
back this evening flight with 3 weekly frequencies from Copenhagen to Newark.
These new frequencies will provide even greater travel flexibility for both
business and leisure travelers.

"We are pleased to be able to deliver new service in response to our customers'
wishes," says Rickard Gustafson.

Currently, SAS operates nonstop service from Copenhagen, Oslo and Stockholm to
New York, as well from both Copenhagen and Stockholm to Chicago, and Copenhagen
to Washington DC.

SAS and San Francisco

· SAS is the only airline to offer a nonstop service between Northern Europe
and San Francisco and is expecting approximately 125,000 passengers per year on
the route.
· SAS will depart from Copenhagen daily, except Tuesdays, at 12:25 pm,
arriving San Francisco at 2:24 pm same day. Departure from San Francisco to
Copenhagen also daily, except Tuesdays, at 5:35 pm arriving the next day in
Copenhagen at 1:15 pm.
· Flying time will be 11 hours and 20 minutes. The departure times provide the
best transfer opportunities to other destinations in Scandinavia and Northern
Europe.

SAS and New York

· Departure from Copenhagen will be at 6:25 pm and arriving Newark at 8:50 pm
the same day. The late Copenhagen service will depart Newark at 11:30 pm and
arrive in Copenhagen the next day at 1:15pm. It will be the last flight
departure from Newark to Europe.
· The flight will operate on Mondays, Thursdays and Fridays.


25 Post contains images Norwegian737 : The newsarticle also mentions SVG-IAH as a possible route, as Stavanger SVG (the Norwegian oil capital) is more of an oil city than OSL, since all th
26 someone83 : If a route like this open it will most likely be a premium configured single aisle wet leased aircraft. Such as Lufthansa does with their flights ope
27 g500 : I don't understand this, so Noway and Houston are oil markets, wat that means is that SK would be able to sell first and business class seats on that
28 Norwegian737 : Of course, thousands of people are employed in the oil industry all over Norway, and especially in Oslo and Stavanger.
29 SASDC8 : I thought they did operate CPH-PVG and CPH-SEA at the same time? The only new one then is OSL-EWR, but the 4 330s will have their work cut out for th
30 thenoflyzone : WIth stupid decisions like these, it wouldn't surprise me to see SK be the next European airline to fold. Thenoflyzone
31 Jonathanxxxx : I don't think SAS is in any position to start MIA (let alone California service) their cost-structure is too high and they should focus on higher yie
32 Post contains images AirPacific747 : So did I when I was a little kid I don't like them on shorthaul routes.. inflated prices and the service level of a low cost carrier. However, I real
33 Sandager : Well I guess the gentlemen who runs SAS oesn't have a clue as to what they are doing. But as of last year SAS made money on their longhaul division!!
34 copenhagenboy : Very well, but last time they announced SFO, they did also announce Delhi.
35 panam330 : Apologies - I was thinking about SU's Moscow service from SFO that stopped in SEA.[Edited 2012-07-05 10:27:17]
36 windshear : Finally! After 11 years in the pipes... Boaz.
37 kiwirob : I very much doubt you will ever see OSL or SVG to Houston, Aberdeen is the oil capitol of Europe they don't have any flights to Houston.
38 Post contains images Kevin777 : Wuhuuu! Great news for SK and CPH! Always love to see SK adding long-haul, and even more if it's from CPH.. Even if only 10 and not 11, still great ne
39 FlyingSicilian : Could be VFR traffic. Per the Norway consulate general in Houston, Houston has the most Noweigian expats in the world, outside Scandinavia. The busin
40 Post contains images MarcoPoloWorld : Very interesting. Well I guess it doesn't hurt them too much to try it. I've flown them in years past via both SEA and LAX, and I'll definitely try t
41 Post contains images KLAXAirport : Great news for SK and SFO! I hope LAX is next! Cheers, KLAXAirport
42 Post contains links and images yeogeo : Oh come now, the flight's not that long (or thin). As it stands now, at 4768 nm, it will be the 332nd longest regularly scheduled passenger flight in
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