ZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1500 posts, RR: 1 Posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9291 times:
A new celebration down under;
Virgin Australia is betting big with Boeing on the future of its domestic fleet, today announcing an order for 23 of Boeing's 737 MAX 8 aircraft.
Designed as a next-gen replacement for the Boeing 737-800, and listing at US$95.2m apiece, the fuel-efficient 737 MAX will join Virgin Australia’s fleet between 2019 and 2021 and be the first of its kind in Australia.
I am curious to whether this was a condition of the sale?
Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter): Virgin Australia is betting big with Boeing on the future of its domestic fleet, today announcing an order for 23 of Boeing's 737 MAX 8 aircraft.
DJ/VA have been a good Boeing customer since they started so no surprise they went for the max.
Congrats to Boeing and Virgin Australia for this order. No surprise though that the B737-MAX was selected. But still, you have to win the order first before you can celebrate about it.
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 1):
Is this a new order or one of the previous "commitments", touted by Boeing PR team?
I don't think that is important. An order is an order. That is what counts. Commitments are just that, commitments.
Sheridan125 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 25 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8743 times:
If they will not get deliveries before 2019 it means that the production line is fully sold out up to then. At a production rate that is likely to exceed 40 aircraft pwer month it means that more than 1000 MAX will have been delivered before Vir OZ get one. Looks like some great Boeing orders are about to be announced
Is this a new order or one of the previous "commitments", touted by Boeing PR team?
I don't think that is important. An order is an order. That is what counts. Commitments are just that, commitments.
Yes, that's true.
But it's interesting to know how many sales we can expect from the MAX in near future.
flood has been so kind to provide us with a fantastic overview of Orders and MoU's for the MAX and NEO. http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm
sirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 282 posts, RR: 22 Reply 7, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8376 times:
Quoting Sheridan125 (Reply 4): If they will not get deliveries before 2019 it means that the production line is fully sold out up to then. At a production rate that is likely to exceed 40 aircraft pwer month it means that more than 1000 MAX will have been delivered before Vir OZ get one. Looks like some great Boeing orders are about to be announced
With deliveries beginning in late 2017 there are a handful of deliveries in that year. Ramp up to 40 will take at least the whole of 2018. So we cannot conclude anything...
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 6): Or it is when their current leases on 738s expire...
PIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 469 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8157 times:
As far as I understand it there wont need to be a ramp up. They will already be using the existing 737 infrastructure just like the A320 will be using its own existing facilities. Both planes are getting new engines and some minor structural changes for the 737, both manufacturing lines will be humming along just fine when they introduce the NEO and the MAX. I'm sure that for about a year or two we are going to see 737NG and A320 coming off the same assembly line as the NEO and MAX at the same time, there will be overlap.
sirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 282 posts, RR: 22 Reply 10, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7925 times:
Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 9): As far as I understand it there wont need to be a ramp up. They will already be using the existing 737 infrastructure just like the A320 will be using its own existing facilities. Both planes are getting new engines and some minor structural changes for the 737, both manufacturing lines will be humming along just fine when they introduce the NEO and the MAX. I'm sure that for about a year or two we are going to see 737NG and A320 coming off the same assembly line as the NEO and MAX at the same time, there will be overlap.
Sure they are using the same lines, but for one, as you said, there will be an overlap.
Also think of all the suppliers, especially the engine makers, which have to ramp up their production.
PIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 469 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7721 times:
laxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 383 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4256 times:
This is fantastic news. Congratulations to both Boeing and Virgin Australia.
trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 3970 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3438 times:
Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 9): As far as I understand it there wont need to be a ramp up. They will already be using the existing 737 infrastructure just like the A320 will be using its own existing facilities. Both planes are getting new engines and some minor structural changes for the 737, both manufacturing lines will be humming along just fine when they introduce the NEO and the MAX. I'm sure that for about a year or two we are going to see 737NG and A320 coming off the same assembly line as the NEO and MAX at the same time, there will be overlap.
The change over from the 737classic to 737NG was supposed to be "simple" too. So simple they had to have a partial production stop for a while and took charges over a $billion ( in '97 dollars) due to the production delay!
astuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9135 posts, RR: 96 Reply 14, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3097 times:
Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 9): As far as I understand it there wont need to be a ramp up. They will already be using the existing 737 infrastructure just like the A320 will be using its own existing facilities
NEO deliveries start in 2015, but Airbus say they couldn't reach only NEO production until 2018. so there WILL be a ramp up. If the MAX follows a similar model, it won't be until 2020 that production becomes all MAX and no NG's
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1913 times:
Quoting trex8 (Reply 13): The change over from the 737classic to 737NG was supposed to be "simple" too. So simple they had to have a partial production stop for a while and took charges over a $billion ( in '97 dollars) due to the production delay!
You got the date correct, but not the reason. It affected more than just the 737 line. Basically, Boeing tried to ramp up too quickly and disrupted their supply chain.
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PIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 469 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1830 times:
is the 2018 time line because they can't go NEO only any earlier or that they have customers with comitments for the current A320 that want their aircraft in 2018 and it will take till then to clear all of the current back log for that model?
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