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Virgin Australia Orders 23 Boeing 737 MAX Jets  
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1688 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10993 times:

A new celebration down under;

Virgin Australia is betting big with Boeing on the future of its domestic fleet, today announcing an order for 23 of Boeing's 737 MAX 8 aircraft.


Designed as a next-gen replacement for the Boeing 737-800, and listing at US$95.2m apiece, the fuel-efficient 737 MAX will join Virgin Australia’s fleet between 2019 and 2021 and be the first of its kind in Australia.

rest of the story is here

http://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austr...-fleet-with-23-boeing-737-max-jets


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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1876 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10840 times:

Is this a new order or one of the previous "committments", touted by Boeing PR team?


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User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 846 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10829 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
be the first of its kind in Australia.

I am curious to whether this was a condition of the sale?



Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
Virgin Australia is betting big with Boeing on the future of its domestic fleet, today announcing an order for 23 of Boeing's 737 MAX 8 aircraft.

DJ/VA have been a good Boeing customer since they started so no surprise they went for the max.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4723 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10814 times:
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Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):

A new celebration down under;

Congrats to Boeing and Virgin Australia for this order. No surprise though that the B737-MAX was selected. But still, you have to win the order first before you can celebrate about it.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 1):

Is this a new order or one of the previous "commitments", touted by Boeing PR team?

I don't think that is important. An order is an order. That is what counts. Commitments are just that, commitments.  


User currently offlineSheridan125 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10445 times:

If they will not get deliveries before 2019 it means that the production line is fully sold out up to then. At a production rate that is likely to exceed 40 aircraft pwer month it means that more than 1000 MAX will have been delivered before Vir OZ get one. Looks like some great Boeing orders are about to be announced

User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10322 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 3):
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 1):

Is this a new order or one of the previous "commitments", touted by Boeing PR team?

I don't think that is important. An order is an order. That is what counts. Commitments are just that, commitments.  

Yes, that's true.
But it's interesting to know how many sales we can expect from the MAX in near future.
flood has been so kind to provide us with a fantastic overview of Orders and MoU's for the MAX and NEO.
http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10177 times:

Quoting Sheridan125 (Reply 4):
If they will not get deliveries before 2019 it means that the production line is fully sold out up to then

Or it is when their current leases on 738s expire...



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User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 370 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10078 times:

Quoting Sheridan125 (Reply 4):
If they will not get deliveries before 2019 it means that the production line is fully sold out up to then. At a production rate that is likely to exceed 40 aircraft pwer month it means that more than 1000 MAX will have been delivered before Vir OZ get one. Looks like some great Boeing orders are about to be announced

With deliveries beginning in late 2017 there are a handful of deliveries in that year. Ramp up to 40 will take at least the whole of 2018. So we cannot conclude anything...

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 6):
Or it is when their current leases on 738s expire...

  


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2319 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9931 times:

Congrats to Boeing and DJ on the order! Nice to see orders picking up for the 737MAX.


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User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9859 times:
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Quoting sirtoby (Reply 7):

As far as I understand it there wont need to be a ramp up. They will already be using the existing 737 infrastructure just like the A320 will be using its own existing facilities. Both planes are getting new engines and some minor structural changes for the 737, both manufacturing lines will be humming along just fine when they introduce the NEO and the MAX. I'm sure that for about a year or two we are going to see 737NG and A320 coming off the same assembly line as the NEO and MAX at the same time, there will be overlap.


User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 370 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9627 times:

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 9):
As far as I understand it there wont need to be a ramp up. They will already be using the existing 737 infrastructure just like the A320 will be using its own existing facilities. Both planes are getting new engines and some minor structural changes for the 737, both manufacturing lines will be humming along just fine when they introduce the NEO and the MAX. I'm sure that for about a year or two we are going to see 737NG and A320 coming off the same assembly line as the NEO and MAX at the same time, there will be overlap.

Sure they are using the same lines, but for one, as you said, there will be an overlap.
Also think of all the suppliers, especially the engine makers, which have to ramp up their production.


User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9423 times:
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Quoting sirtoby (Reply 10):

I started thinking about that after i posted the message. You are correct. I talked my self out of my own argument.  


User currently offlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5958 times:

This is fantastic news. Congratulations to both Boeing and Virgin Australia.


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User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4763 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5140 times:
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Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 9):
As far as I understand it there wont need to be a ramp up. They will already be using the existing 737 infrastructure just like the A320 will be using its own existing facilities. Both planes are getting new engines and some minor structural changes for the 737, both manufacturing lines will be humming along just fine when they introduce the NEO and the MAX. I'm sure that for about a year or two we are going to see 737NG and A320 coming off the same assembly line as the NEO and MAX at the same time, there will be overlap.

The change over from the 737classic to 737NG was supposed to be "simple" too. So simple they had to have a partial production stop for a while and took charges over a $billion ( in '97 dollars) due to the production delay!


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10008 posts, RR: 96
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4799 times:
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Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 9):
As far as I understand it there wont need to be a ramp up. They will already be using the existing 737 infrastructure just like the A320 will be using its own existing facilities

NEO deliveries start in 2015, but Airbus say they couldn't reach only NEO production until 2018. so there WILL be a ramp up. If the MAX follows a similar model, it won't be until 2020 that production becomes all MAX and no NG's

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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 13):
The change over from the 737classic to 737NG was supposed to be "simple" too. So simple they had to have a partial production stop for a while and took charges over a $billion ( in '97 dollars) due to the production delay!

You got the date correct, but not the reason. It affected more than just the 737 line. Basically, Boeing tried to ramp up too quickly and disrupted their supply chain.



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User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3532 times:
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Quoting astuteman (Reply 14):

is the 2018 time line because they can't go NEO only any earlier or that they have customers with comitments for the current A320 that want their aircraft in 2018 and it will take till then to clear all of the current back log for that model?


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