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BA Orders More 777's  
User currently offlineSheridan125 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 25 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 31281 times:

According to Jethros BA have ordered 2 more 777W's for delivery in Sep/Nov 2014. Anyone know any more about this?

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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 31180 times:

Can you provide a link?


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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 31143 times:

I couldn't find anything either  

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30576 posts, RR: 84
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 31106 times:
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BA mentioned earlier this month that they could take more 777-300ERs as a hedge against EIS delays for the A350-1000 and 777X as they noted the plane was an excellent fit in their fleet, even if the A350 and 777X would be better.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-it-ponders-big-twin-order-372729/

Last UFO order for the 777-300ER was two on 31 October 2011, so it won't be them, but this could be an option conversion or MoU that hasn't yet hit the books (no 777s appeared on today's Boeing O&D update).

[Edited 2012-07-05 09:57:40]

User currently offlineCalpe From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 30836 times:

I suppose this must be them converting the last two options they had for the 77W? I thought it would likely be a case of when and not if these two were converted into firm orders.

User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 30542 times:

What will their 'final' fleet look like then, in terms of numbers?

User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8504 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 30251 times:
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Sounds like old news, are these not the 2 ordered a while back that will bring the fleet to 8?


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 29824 times:
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Why is BA being so timid about 747 sized airplanes ? They ordered plenty of 787 and 12 A380 but only 6 77W's. They need 24 more or even 50 in total.

User currently offlineuaeflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 29760 times:

An airline with the size of BA order only 2 777s.
While other airlines ordering by dozens, think I cannot understand.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30576 posts, RR: 84
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 29626 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Why is BA being so timid about 747 sized airplanes?
Quoting uaeflyer (Reply 8):
While other airlines ordering by dozens, think I cannot understand.

BA's 747-400s still have useful life in them and the large premium cabin configuration of the LHR birds means that even though they cost a fair bit to operate, they generate significant revenues.

As such, BA would prefer to wait a few more years for the A350-1000 and 777X to enter service, both of which will offer significantly better operating economics compared to the 777-300ER.

However, with the A350-1000 slipping farther to the right and the 777X still in definition, BA does need to hedge their bets. They have also found, like pretty much everyone else who flies the type, that the 777-300ER is a fantastic platform in the now.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4705 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 29582 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
BA's 747-400s still have useful life in them

And BA usually keeps their birds for a pretty long while in the fleet.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
They have also found, like pretty much everyone else who flies the type, that the 777-300ER is a fantastic platform in the now.

I guess every customer has been impressed with the performance of the B77W after they received it in their fleets.


User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 28453 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 6):
Sounds like old news, are these not the 2 ordered a while back that will bring the fleet to 8?

It's definitely not old news. You are right BA did place a order for a further two aircraft a while back. They also yesterday placed a further order for another two 77W's. This will take the fleet up to 10. As yet no official statement online as yet. Official announcement may be made at the Farnborough airshow which begins on Monday. It will be interesting to see if the 2 aircraft are actually part of a larger order.

Aircraft on Order:

G-STBG - Due September 2013
G-STBH - Due November 2013
G-STBI - Due September 2014
G-STBJ - Due November 2014


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 28203 times:

Are these off the line or could it be the two available on the second hand market that were mooted here a few months ago.

[Edited 2012-07-05 12:09:16]

Edit: just seen the above post, they must be off the line.


[Edited 2012-07-05 12:12:31]

User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 27519 times:

I believe they are off the line and are currently shown as unidentified order

http://www.777fleetpage.com/


User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 25816 times:
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Quoting uaeflyer (Reply 8):
An airline with the size of BA order only 2 777s.
While other airlines ordering by dozens, think I cannot understand.

actually as far as 777s go, BA operates about 50 777s. About the same as AF and Cathay...

I suppose only Emirates, Sinagapore and United have more


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 24656 times:

Currently 52 remaining from 55 ordered.

3 B777-236
24 B777-236ER GE90
19 B777-236ER Trent
6 B777-336ER

excludes two sold and one banjoed at Heathrow.


User currently offlineFlyingCello From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 24196 times:

Seems like sensible business for BA...

With a number of 744's being refitted with the new cabin, these will be in service for a long time to come. The 772ERs are still reasonably fresh, and with 787s and A380s to come, BA doesn't need to panic about replacement decisions.

The 773ERs are giving BA access to a fantastic aircraft, but they don't need to buy big numbers...they can incrementally add 773ERs as they see fit, and I'm sure Boeing are giving them an excellent price.

I wouldn't be surprised if they keep adding 773ERs bit by bit, with a gradual shift to the 779X once available.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4421 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 22946 times:

Quoting uaeflyer (Reply 8):
An airline with the size of BA order only 2 777s.
While other airlines ordering by dozens, think I cannot understand.

AA did the "creeping order" thing with the 77W also.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7393 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 22671 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Why is BA being so timid about 747 sized airplanes ? They ordered plenty of 787 and 12 A380 but only 6 77W's. They need 24 more or even 50 in total.

BA saw that they could extend the life of some of their 744s to cover the capacity shortage caused by delays in the delivery of the 787 and 380. Now they are looking at the 350 and the 777X as further 744 replacements. But they have publicly stated that the delays in these programmes will leave them with a capacity shortage that they may not be able to cover by further extending the life of their 744s. So they are using the 77W to fill that gap:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-it-ponders-big-twin-order-372729/

However it is worth noting that the two pending orders are the last two of four options secured at the time of the original oirder placed four years ago:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2008/q3/080807b_nr.html

so the further order is hardly a surprise.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 22498 times:

They have been pleasantly surprised by very positive customer reaction to the new B777-300ERs. The downside being people feel hacked off when an older aircraft pitches up at the gate. Now people see what BA can be like with a new product, it's important to have as many as possible on key routes.

User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16378 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 17):
AA did the "creeping order" thing with the 77W also.

Their rate of creep is quite high, and they haven't even received any 77W. Can't imagine how fast they'll order them once they actually have the W in their fleet! 



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16327 times:

Always nice to see new babies join the family as others near their time to fly the nest !!

(lol)



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16140 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 19):
They have been pleasantly surprised by very positive customer reaction to the new B777-300ERs. The downside being people feel hacked off when an older aircraft pitches up at the gate. Now people see what BA can be like with a new product, it's important to have as many as possible on key routes.

And now imagine how they could even do better that way with ordering 748Is!


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15517 times:

Quoting na (Reply 22):
And now imagine how they could even do better that way with ordering 748Is!

Alas I don't think that will happen.

There are too many routes at BA presently that are operated by a 744 when ideally they should be A380 or a VLA twin

I think the 748i is a sort of 'no mans land' aircraft for BA.



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14672 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 19):
They have been pleasantly surprised by very positive customer reaction to the new B777-300ERs. The downside being people feel hacked off when an older aircraft pitches up at the gate. Now people see what BA can be like with a new product, it's important to have as many as possible on key routes.

Aye, having said that when you board one of the ancient 777s which has just received the refresh it really does make a massive difference. Even for the crew it feels like a brand new aircraft!!!!



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25 Post contains images RobK : Pedant mode on... 3 B777-236 24 B777-236ER GE90 19 B777-236ER Trent 2 B777-336ER 4 B777-36NER /mode off.
26 Post contains links e195 : See http://jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet_listings/ba_boeing_b777srs.htm Nothing official on there just two more at the bottom
27 mikey72 : Oh it's the pits. I was waiting at the terminal once, something went ti*ts up somewhere down the line and a tatty old upholstered rollerskate of a 76
28 Viscount724 : That's very common. Many major airlines order aircraft a few at a time, based on financing and other issues. BA did the same for all their 747s for e
29 vhtje : An also because the 747s are very popular with BA's customers. The premium cabin layouts just seem better on a 747.
30 jfk777 : This is a 77W conersation, well all know BA has a large 772 fleet. That is the"Classic" 777, we are now in NG 777: the 777-200LR and 777-300ER. Catha
31 mikey72 : This is true and although they can't keep them going forever they do have a few more years in them yet.
32 jumpjets : Being upstairs on a BA 744 in J is heaven. Much better than being in the main cabin below - which of course a 777 can't offer. By the way can someone
33 ncfc99 : The differance is in ownership of the aircraft, and corresponding boeing customer codes. 777-336 - owned by BA 777-36N - leased by BA
34 VV701 : As explained by BA CEO, Keith Williams in the interview reported by Flight Global in the first link in Reply 18, for BA the 77W is a stop gap for bot
35 AirbusA6 : Doesn't this show the pointlessness of Boeing's customer code system, if 2 identical 777-300ERs have different codes due to who originally ordered th
36 Post contains images jumpjets : Thanks for the explanation - I had if there had been a different variant I'd never heard of.
37 Stitch : The system is now anachronistic with modern production and inventory tracking, which is why Boeing has dropped it with the 787 program.
38 N62NA : And AA will also be installing the new J on the 772s, yes?
39 BlueSky1976 : Umm... no. 777-300ER/200LR are also "classic" 777s. There is nothing "next generation" about them, as they were planned as a part of the 777 family w
40 rutankrd : Not at all Boeing has used the coding system since the 1950s and it specifically refers the the airframe as purchased . NOT the engines (That said th
41 superjeff : As an ex-Braniff person from that era, I didn't realize they changed the designation. I was always told that the airline identifier (Braniff was "27"
42 skipness1E : Thanks JFK777 but I don't think the B777-300ER/200LR is an NG, it's got better engines and a tweaked wing but it's not a next generation product. Howe
43 Viscount724 : A.net is still using customer codes on 787 photos. Hope they continue to do so as it makes it much easier to track the history of an aircraft when yo
44 tonystan : Dont get too excited....only one longhaul and one shorthaul 767 have been updated so far!
45 mikey72 : Oh well, it's a start !
46 loalq : I don't really care about how old the frames are (apart from the fact that I seem to get a delay on every 744 flight now due to some tech glitch), but
47 FlyingCello : I still wouldn't rule out the 748i at BA. The Lufthansa justification for the 748i is that they can use it on routes where there is high premium dema
48 Stitch : The 777-9X would likely be a better platform as it has plenty of floor space for premium seating thanks to the fuselage stretch.[Edited 2012-07-06 14
49 FlyingCello : Although the 748i still sits above it in terms of payload capability...unless of course, freight is the big differentiator. A 777 (or 777X) / 748i /
50 AirbusA6 : But BA's leased birds won't be '336ER's despite being identical to the owned planes, and BA being the first operator. BA could exclusively keep and o
51 rutankrd : Fantasy BA will still be flying vast numbers of 77E , a handful 77W and yes 744s in eight years time. The fleet of 388s may have been slowing upped f
52 FlyingCello : So you are saying that there is no route in the BA network, where a 748i could be effectively deployed? More efficient perhaps than an under-utilised
53 rutankrd : LH got a very special launch deal on those 748i frames as did Korean. Further the LH strategy differs considerably to BA in that they don't operate ma
54 skipness1E : British Airways have themselves stated they see no place for the B747-8i. You may choose to disbelieve that if you so wish.
55 kaitak : Even without BA saying so, it's very hard to see a place for it between the 77W and A380 (which will be coming next year) and as if that weren't enou
56 JerseyFlyer : The 777-9 will be an excellent 744 replacement for those routes that cannot fill a 380. No need for 748 as total 744 replacement is not that urgent w
57 jfk777 : The 777X is the third generation of the 777 family. The first generation was the 777-200, -200ER and -300(no-ER).
58 FlyingCello : BA also chose the 748i internally before Airbus made them an exceptional commercial offer on the A380. Also, the world has moved on, fuel has continu
59 skipness1E : You are entitled to your opinion however I and many others do not see that as a generational leap. There is just not enough change between the 300 an
60 BA174 : That's an interesting point will these new orders be owned or leased? I think the 36NERs (four) are the only BA Boeing aircraft without the 36 code b
61 mikey72 : I personally (and I'm no expert) don't understand any airline that operates both the 748i and the A380 when there are so many options available for '
62 skipness1E : Currently yes but the tranche of B737-300s in the 90s were 36Ns amongst others, none were B737-336 as they were leased for a time then passed on.
63 VV701 : The first question one needs to ask is why BA needed a fleet of 744s. The natural answer is their size and load carrying capacity. But in this case,
64 mikey72 : To be honest I think I have an idea 'what' they will order but I havn't got a clue how many of each type. Everything is so up in the air (sorry) at t
65 Stitch : At the time they placed their order, LH was planning a roughly 100-seat step change between the A340-600 (306 seats), 747-8 (420 seats) and A380-800
66 EK413 : When I read your comments I checked to see if this was a QF sould've ordered the B777 thread... Nice to see BA adding to their already strong B777 fl
67 mikey72 : That's all very well but it doesn't answer my concern. Wouldn't the 773 have been a better option for axample ? To quote one source... Using only two
68 Stitch : Perhaps, but LH already had a large Airbus A340-300 and A340-600 fleet, so they chose to add more A340-600s instead of moving to the 777-300ER. That
69 skipness1E : The problem is the options are not available today, they are in the pipeline. The B747-8i is not in favour as an NG B777 is expected as well as a grow
70 BlueSky1976 : Incorrect. 777-200LR was initially conceived alongside 777-200 and -200ER (hint: "C-market" 777, read the model history). The 777-300ER was studied i
71 MANfan : Just to make a small correction, BA did operate the 747-236 with the RB211-524D4D non-stop to BKK, HKG and NRT, from Heathrow, albeit with some paylo
72 mikey72 : Doesn't really explain the empty dance card does it ?
73 Stitch : The original C-Market model was the shortened 777-100X, which went through a number of design iterations between June 1995 and December 1996 before b
74 hOMSAr : Boeing developed and sold the 767-400ER long before 2000 and the SQ order. You might be thinking of the 767-400ERX, which they heavily marketed (and
75 Post contains images Stitch : True, the 767-400ER was launched in 1997. I think Boeing offered the 777-100X to DL and CO in 1995 or 1996 and they're decision to not take it then h
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