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US' Future Intl Routes?  
User currently offlinemattya9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 112 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9233 times:

Has there been any talk of new international routes to come for USAirways in the not so distant future? From what I know (and I'll admit it's not concrete by any means) they're supposed to be taking delivery of more 333's starting next year. However, I know the 762's are supposed to be retired in the next 5-7 years, which coincides with them taking delivery of A350's. And secondly, will a merger with AA radically change any plans for international expansion US might have in the place? Just curious what you guys think and also wondering if anyone has heard of some "new" news on this front?

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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8089 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9154 times:
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IF a merger of AA and US dooes happen this can only be good for CLT and PHL. International flights would only increase especially to Brazil. European flights could also be expanded with some AA 777 to LHR and allowing for A330 to other destinations. The real gains for this merger is the Charlotte hub.

User currently offlineFlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9014 times:

The one thing I'm hoping for is for a widebody to take over the PHL-AMS route.


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User currently offlineAAplat4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8957 times:

I don't see a combination with AA doing much for international destinations at CLT, other than moving from LGW to LHR. AA hubs are not going to feed into US' ones, but the other way around. Maybe some OW alliance partners would consider service to CLT, but only to a small degree. It is a good hub for US, but just not a big enough O&D market.

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8902 times:

Any of AA's current International routes is the best guess I could come up with  


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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1038 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8711 times:

There has been strong talk of PHL-IST once more A330's are delivered .

User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1038 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8675 times:

Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 2):

The plan is to replace all current 767 flights to A330 and all 757 flying to 767 once more A330's are delivered beginning 2013 . 757'swill no longer be flying to Europe . It will be all wide body service across the pond.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5953 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8667 times:

Currently, what is US' transatlantic fleet? Im referring to# of aircraft


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6940 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8651 times:

There is so much talk about them starting a PHX-NRT route. Someone told me that once they get more A330s that will happen.


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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1064 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8619 times:

Quoting etops1 (Reply 6):
The plan is to replace all current 767 flights to A330 and all 757 flying to 767 once more A330's are delivered beginning 2013 . 757'swill no longer be flying to Europe . It will be all wide body service across the pond.

What about updating the interiors of the 762s?


User currently offlineboeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8533 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):

I think that is a strong possibility, but I feel like if they would launch Asia they would do it via PHL with the A332. (especially since PHX doesn't have any A330 service, so it would be reactively difficult if there is a tech problem with the plane)



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User currently offlineGSP psgr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8425 times:

If US and TK were to strengthen ties, then PHL-IST could make a lot of sense. From Charlotte, I wonder if US would consider some shorter South American routes like Caracas, Cali, and Bogata. Maybe also CLT-LIM.

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8425 times:

If there is an US/AA merger..

CLT -MAD would go daily
CLT-LHR 2(1 flight by BA)
CLT-Berlin( either on AB or US/AA)
Hopefully the mergered airline will bring some 777 down


User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1064 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8309 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 12):
CLT-Berlin( either on AB or US/AA)

It'd have to be AA, and even then I doubt that very very much. All of the financial traffic is to Frankfurt. Berlin is still largely a VFR destination.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8277 times:

I wonder if US will launch PHL to MEX nonstop. I remember reading on their inflight magazine back in summer of 2003 that US was going to launch that route, but it never happened.


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2972 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8268 times:

From PHL, I have heard..

PHL-IST
PHL-CAI
2nd daily PHL-TLV

There isn't really much to expand out of CLT, the largest European gaps are AMS, ZRH, and MAN, AMS is highly unlikely, even though I've heard AMS is courting CLT service. ZRH is also unlikely. MAN has the greatest chance.

I have heard several rumors (seriously) about CLT-TLV. (let the talk of ATL-TLV was a failure so CLT will be too begin).

CLT-LIM will probably happen eventually.



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User currently offlinevlad1971 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8206 times:

Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 2):
The one thing I'm hoping for is for a widebody to take over the PHL-AMS route

B767-200ER is planned for Summer 2013 flights already as PHL-AMS-PHL . Most of 757 ETOPS are gone by this time .


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 8118 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 15):

LH is was considering dusseldorf but that would never happen


User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 7959 times:

Quoting boeing773ER (Reply 10):
I think that is a strong possibility, but I feel like if they would launch Asia they would do it via PHL with the A332. (especially since PHX doesn't have any A330 service, so it would be reactively difficult if there is a tech problem with the plane)

I think an A330 PHX-Asia would take a lot of restrictions.

A PHX-PDX-NRT and PHX-PDX-PEK would be well within range.


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2632 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
There is so much talk about them starting a PHX-NRT route.

$22M is the going rate.......

 


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7817 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 15):

You don't no it would be a failure until u try it


User currently offlinebomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7779 times:

Quoting vlad1971 (Reply 16):
Most of 757 ETOPS are gone by this time .

What is happening to the 757? Is US just getting rid of them or re-deploying them? I know they're old.

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6940 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7474 times:

Quoting etops1 (Reply 6):
It will be all wide body service across the pond.

As it rightfully should be. I would hate sitting in a 757 for 7 hours

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 18):
I think an A330 PHX-Asia would take a lot of restrictions.

How so? It's been done previously albeit with a stop in HNL (point being there could be a good market here. Lots of Asians in Phoenix, believe it or not.)

Quoting point2point (Reply 19):
$22M is the going rate.......

Are you joking, or for what?



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2667 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7460 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 7):
Currently, what is US' transatlantic fleet? Im referring to# of aircraft

15 Intl. 757s
10 767s
16 A330s (9 A333 and 7 A332) with 8 more A332s to be delivered.
Add the 22 A350s on order.

A total of 41 aircraft are active at this time with the 8 other A330s to enter service just before the A350s do.

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 18):
A PHX-PDX-NRT and PHX-PDX-PEK would be well within range.

I hope US does start Asia service soon...well, Far East (TLV is in Asia)...I know they wanted to take some A340s but dropped plans after the oil spike in 2008. Couldn't they take a couple uaed but fairly new A340s for PHL-PEK/NRT/PVG?



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2632 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7083 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 22):
Are you joking, or for what?

It's suppose to be a joke (my bad, huh?) ..... DEN recently gave UA a bunch of breaks, rebates (whatever it is they are called) to the tune of UA saving about $22M from the airport. The next day ...... UA announces it will fly its 787s DEN-NRT nonstop beginning about 4/13 - or somewhere thereabouts. Curious thing is though, from what I understand, the DEN airport and business community had about $4-$5M already in the pot as incentives (most aimed at NH) to start the DEN-NRT nonstop, but UA didn't touch any of that money for this. Makes one wonder, eh?

That's what I was referring to ...... and btw ...... I also wonder if this $22M is the highest amount paid as incentive (I think that we could call the $22M that) for a nonstop route?

I remember a thread here on that as well.

So now......



Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):

There is so much talk about them starting a PHX-NRT
Quoting point2point (Reply 19):
$22M is the going rate.......

 

[Edited 2012-07-07 13:16:18]

25 by738 : There were rumours of PHL -GLA going from summer only to year round. Often that route carries more than the more established CO to EWR.
26 cipango : I think CLT-MAN will happen quite soon. There's been a lot of rumors and also it was planned for 2011 but then shelved. When more A330's arrive I thin
27 southwest737500 : I think ur right I've been following that rumor mill and I live in CLT so it epwould be awesome.
28 treebeard787 : That would be cool, I flew US to GLA in June and highly enjoyed the flight. I wasn't sure how a B757 would be on a trans Atlantic flight, but I found
29 PHX787 : Thanks for clearing it up! thanks much! I have a feeling that PHX could probably offer similar incentives.
30 NWADTWE16 : Agreed with all comments referring to the 757 on Trans-Atlantic..that would just suck for the passengers and i think airlines are looking pathetic whe
31 usairways85 : If the ATI carries over then US/AA & BA act as one so it is porbably not worth BA to operate 1x daily when US can easily handle both Doubtful, Be
32 cat3dual : Now would be the time to pick up used A340-500s for services to Asia.
33 lucky777 : That's an amazingly puny widebody fleet when compared to the other legacies, and that's even before the recent DAL/NWA, UAL/CAL mergers. Why is that?
34 poLOT : Most current A345 don't want the plane, US is not going to take them either. They just burn too much fuel. You know its bad when an airline (TAM) dec
35 treebeard787 : US didn't even get their first widebody until they merged with Piedmont and inherited their B767-200ERs. It was 2000 before the A330-300s started sho
36 nycdave : Flying a 757 TATL isn't, in my experience, any better or worse than flying a widebody. The seats are the same size, so what's the big deal? At least
37 Post contains images NWADTWE16 : I may not have 40 years but i have been with six airlines and have 16 years industry experience...but im not defending myself...we all have our exper
38 PHX787 : I like flying them cross-country or from LAX-MSP or PHX-MSP etc but longer than 5 hours seems a little too much. What are the international facilitie
39 flyguy89 : People seem to forget that in the glory days of airline service in the 60's passengers were being flown across the Atlantic on narrow-body 707's and
40 mattya9 : Could we see the A350's on PHL (possibly CLT if they have the range) to Asia once they come online? OPS 5
41 PHX787 : I think we can see them at all 3 (CLT PHL and PHX) going international with the 350s given the whole east-west-issue is gone by then.
42 boeing773ER : Well US didn't really get wide-bodies until a few years ago because they just weren't that important as they are now. Until 9/11 domestic service was
43 Mortyman : Thai Airways has apparenbtly also parked it's 345's ... Personally I think it's very sad, such a beauty
44 phlwok : A couple thoughts on the 757 across the Atlantic: 1) The length of an Atlantic crossing isn't a lot longer than an East to West Coast flight with a g
45 mixalakhs : I have a friend who works at Athens airport and he told me that the flights from PHL-ATH-PHL were close to 90% fullness and in some cases 100%, but I
46 DeltaL1011man : FWIW with the DCA/LGA slot swap I believe DL is giving US a NRT slot.
47 poLOT : That was part of the first deal, but in the one that was ultimately approved US only got traffic rights to GRU starting in 2015.[Edited 2012-07-08 06
48 Post contains images PHX787 : Which is why if I'm flying cost-to-coast I choose a widebody. That service doesn't use normal 318 seats, remember. They're lie-flat seats. That is sa
49 EricR : I would be surprised to see CAI anytime soon. Business and tourism traffic into CAI has taken a hit over the past year with all the political uncerta
50 RWA380 : If you are referring to the HP disaster to NGO, HP asked for NRT but got NGO, they had little marketing done before they arrived, IIRC it was after s
51 einsteinboricua : Would it make sense to add heavily used A340s? Surely there must be an A340 with fewer hours of service. Another possibility is that if US is to merg
52 EricR : At the time, this was true, however, that was 20 years ago (time flies). Keep in mind that in the 1990-1992 time frame, UA & NW were the only big
53 Post contains images PHX787 : I saw this on NRT's website today and haven't seen it previously: (i know it's codesharing but still!) Which is why I think that if they do start it,
54 EricR : I actually believe NH or JL are better suited for the route than US. NH or JL would provide the connectivity to other parts of Asia. Therefore, the r
55 2travel2know2 : It would not be a surprise if US and now Star Alliance CM are talking about CLT-PTY (A319/B737-300/E190) and/or PHX-PTY (A319).
56 Post contains images PHX787 : That makes sense, maybe someone should lobby DP to stop speculating Who do you think will serve them, though, given 1) US in *A 2) the merger with AA
57 EricR : I would say NH has the edge due to their relationship with US. US could provide the connectivity on the PHX end while NH provides the connectivity on
58 deltaflyertoo : No, that will never happen. CLT is way too small. There is ferocious debate in the industry and most definitely on this board about CLT's role for wh
59 Schweigend : US flying to PTY and connecting there with *A partner CM to various Central and South Am. destinations is a great idea if they do it, and I hope they
60 2travel2know2 : Both CLT-BOG and CLT-LIM may be doable w/A319, but most other major cities in northern South America may not be able to support CLT flights. Notable
61 tommy767 : for what it's worth, I still cannot believe US doesn't fly PHX-NRT. US 757s don't have PTVs in Y on their 757s. This makes the journey a little more t
62 Post contains links USAirALB : ???? Now that you mention it, if you go to the Copa website, and then their destination page, they have a picture of Charlotte. http://frommers.copaa
63 Flighty : I believe NH may launch NRT-PHL on 787. That actually pencils out for me. Other talk, like US from PHX, does not.
64 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Don't know what E190 version US has but the CLT-PTY distance is almost the same as flown by CM to Mexico. (thanks www.gcmap.com) CLT (35°12'49"N 80
65 USAirALB : All 733s will be gone by this December and no E190s are based out of CLT nor do any E190s fly to CLT anymore (except a weekly flight to PHL on Saturd
66 flyguy89 : You're speaking about CLT in the context of a potential merger, but if US is still a stand-alone carrier when the A350's start arriving, I see no rea
67 dcaviation : Try flying IAD-AMS in 757 for 8:30hrs and then talk about it. I would love to fly TATL in DHC-8! I wont be flying 757 TATL ever again in my life (wit
68 Post contains images poLOT : I don't know everyone is complaining about the 757 flying...their 767 product is just as bad I would take UA's rather nice transatlantic 757s over US
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