srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 17294 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10440 times:
It's a bit of a surprise seeing them relaunch this route. I remember when they launched it back in 2000, as I was going through training at ASA and one of the guys in the training class at the G.O. was going to be one of the ASA agents at DAL. The service lasted less than two years before it was axed and they went from originally having 6 flights a day on the route to 3 at the time they announced the axing of the route.
Then again, it's not surprising, and it essentially DL firing a shot over the bow of WN. WN/FL passengers do not have nonstop service to Dallas due to FL being forced to close their DFW operations due to the Wright Amendment barring WN from having operations at both DAL and DFW (even though they were separate operations). WN has a few more years before they can offer DAL-ATL and this gives DL that long to establish the route.
srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 17294 posts, RR: 51 Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10063 times:
Quoting jmw99ttu (Reply 8): WN/FL is welcome to offer DFW-ATL at anytime. They would just have to give up a gate at DAL to have a gate at DFW.
Which something we all know WN would never do as they've fought too hard and too long in regards to their DAL base to give up anything they've gained there. WN would have had to give up two gates at DAL in order to keep the two DFW gates FL had, those DAL gates are much more valuable to them in the long run than the two gates at DFW.
Quoting skymiler (Reply 11): Let's see -- grab a couple of CR700's, expand 1st by a few, reduce Y by a bunch, increase YComfort by a few and Presto Bing! a 2 class 56 seater!
Now that wold be shot across WN's bow!
I don't think DL would want a subfleet of CRJ-700s.
steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1536 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9926 times:
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 5): DAL is overrated as an airport. If AA couldnt make DAL-ORD and DAL-STL work, that were AA hubs, I dont think anyone but WN can make money in DAL.
I'm not so sure I agree. AA had a unique problem - anyone who wanted to fly them out of DAL to connect at STL or ORD would almost certainly be doing so instead of taking an AA non-stop out of DFW. There was little incentive to use the slightly more convenient airport in the name of adding a connection. Anyone flying DL out of DFW, though, is already going to connect to get anywhere other than a DL hub.
srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 17294 posts, RR: 51 Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9780 times:
Quoting steex (Reply 13): Anyone flying DL out of DFW, though, is already going to connect to get anywhere other than a DL hub.
At the time of the original service a decade ago, DL still had their DFW hub and were a few years away from shuttering it. A decade ago, the service didn't make a lot of sense because of the DL presence at DFW. AA at the time DL had their DAL-ATL service, took on Legend's service out of DAL with competing service using F100s, which had more to do with trying to force Legend out of business than trying to establish a greater presence at DAL (Legend was likely doomed to fail anyway even if AA had not started competing service, the airline had blown through a lot of their capital fighting to get the airline off the ground and the economy started to tank not too long after their started operations and they likely would have been out of business after 9/11.). Their service to ORD and STL were shots fired at WN, in particular DAL-STL since Missouri was added to the list of Wright Amendment states and once through ticketing out of DAL was allowed, that killed AA's advantage with their DAL-ORD service since WN passengers could purchase DAL-STL-MDW tickets and not have to buy two separate tickets (DAL-STL and STL-MDW). It didn't make sense to start competing service at DAL in order to "protect" their interests at DFW.
The same can be said of MDW. I believe DL is the only legacy serving the airport and they serve MDW to ATL,DTW, and MSP. This flight will be connecting to their largest hub and i'm sure they will make it work till they can put bigger equipment on the route post 2014. I believe just like MDW/ORD, IAD/DCA, JFK/LGA/HPN/EWR and IAH/HOU serve different catchment areas so do DAL/DFW, and DL has service to all those airports from ATL. DAL is a logical add following their strategy with other large cities with more then one airport.
bomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 378 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9621 times:
Doesn't this go against DL's self imposed cap for aircraft without First Class on board? Great Circle Mapper shows this route at 721sm or 627nm. Isn't the cap something like 500miles, or is it 750miles? Just seems fishy to me.
1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6258 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9195 times:
Quoting bomber996 (Reply 17): Doesn't this go against DL's self imposed cap for aircraft without First Class on board? Great Circle Mapper shows this route at 721sm or 627nm. Isn't the cap something like 500miles, or is it 750miles? Just seems fishy to me.
Well, if DL wants to serve DAL, they have to make this exception because they don't have a choice due to Wright. Once Wright restrictions are lifted and if DL is still serving the route, DL would happlily replace those CR2s with CR7s or CR9s.
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