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Delta Launches ATL-DAL In September  
User currently offlinecat3dual From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11364 times:

Bookable now on Delta.com. 5x daily CRJ service beginning on September 5, 2012.

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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11327 times:

I bet we see MEM-DAL get chopped in the not too distant future.

User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11157 times:
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Is it CRJ-200 or CRJ 700/900?


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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11159 times:

Has to be CRJ-200. 56 seat cap is in effect until 2014 for flights outside of the Wright Perimeter.


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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10998 times:

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 3):
Has to be CRJ-200. 56 seat cap is in effect until 2014

Ah, yes more BS thanks to the wrong amendment.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11001 times:

DAL is overrated as an airport. If AA couldnt make DAL-ORD and DAL-STL work, that were AA hubs, I dont think anyone but WN can make money in DAL.

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10900 times:

It's a bit of a surprise seeing them relaunch this route. I remember when they launched it back in 2000, as I was going through training at ASA and one of the guys in the training class at the G.O. was going to be one of the ASA agents at DAL. The service lasted less than two years before it was axed and they went from originally having 6 flights a day on the route to 3 at the time they announced the axing of the route.

Then again, it's not surprising, and it essentially DL firing a shot over the bow of WN. WN/FL passengers do not have nonstop service to Dallas due to FL being forced to close their DFW operations due to the Wright Amendment barring WN from having operations at both DAL and DFW (even though they were separate operations). WN has a few more years before they can offer DAL-ATL and this gives DL that long to establish the route.


User currently offlinecat3dual From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10900 times:

Initial schedule below, all operated by Expressjet:

Initial schedule for ATL-DAL service beginning 05Sep12.


User currently offlinejmw99ttu From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10813 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):

WN/FL is welcome to offer DFW-ATL at anytime. They would just have to give up a gate at DAL to have a gate at DFW.


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4600 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10746 times:

Quoting jmw99ttu (Reply 8):
WN/FL is welcome to offer DFW-ATL at anytime. They would just have to give up a gate at DAL to have a gate at DFW.

Which would be pretty stupid to have one segment flying DFW-ATL when the rest of the network goes through DAL.


User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10681 times:
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Where the heck did they get these aircraft from?? Didn't they spend all of their forces and airplane slak in the New York expansion?


avi8
User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10544 times:

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 3):
Has to be CRJ-200. 56 seat cap is in effect until 2014 for flights outside of the Wright Perimeter.

Let's see -- grab a couple of CR700's, expand 1st by a few, reduce Y by a bunch, increase YComfort by a few and Presto Bing! a 2 class 56 seater!

Now that wold be shot across WN's bow!  



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10523 times:

Quoting jmw99ttu (Reply 8):
WN/FL is welcome to offer DFW-ATL at anytime. They would just have to give up a gate at DAL to have a gate at DFW.

Which something we all know WN would never do as they've fought too hard and too long in regards to their DAL base to give up anything they've gained there. WN would have had to give up two gates at DAL in order to keep the two DFW gates FL had, those DAL gates are much more valuable to them in the long run than the two gates at DFW.

Quoting skymiler (Reply 11):
Let's see -- grab a couple of CR700's, expand 1st by a few, reduce Y by a bunch, increase YComfort by a few and Presto Bing! a 2 class 56 seater!

Now that wold be shot across WN's bow!  

I don't think DL would want a subfleet of CRJ-700s.

[Edited 2012-07-07 09:00:06]

User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1655 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10386 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 5):
DAL is overrated as an airport. If AA couldnt make DAL-ORD and DAL-STL work, that were AA hubs, I dont think anyone but WN can make money in DAL.

I'm not so sure I agree. AA had a unique problem - anyone who wanted to fly them out of DAL to connect at STL or ORD would almost certainly be doing so instead of taking an AA non-stop out of DFW. There was little incentive to use the slightly more convenient airport in the name of adding a connection. Anyone flying DL out of DFW, though, is already going to connect to get anywhere other than a DL hub.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17511 posts, RR: 45
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10269 times:

Quoting skymiler (Reply 11):
Now that wold be shot across WN's bow!

They should add DALMCO to get the WN/FL merger related traffic 
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 5):
DAL is overrated as an airport.

Along w/ HPN, SNA, and LGB, they're all far more trouble than they're worth.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10240 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 13):
Anyone flying DL out of DFW, though, is already going to connect to get anywhere other than a DL hub.

At the time of the original service a decade ago, DL still had their DFW hub and were a few years away from shuttering it. A decade ago, the service didn't make a lot of sense because of the DL presence at DFW. AA at the time DL had their DAL-ATL service, took on Legend's service out of DAL with competing service using F100s, which had more to do with trying to force Legend out of business than trying to establish a greater presence at DAL (Legend was likely doomed to fail anyway even if AA had not started competing service, the airline had blown through a lot of their capital fighting to get the airline off the ground and the economy started to tank not too long after their started operations and they likely would have been out of business after 9/11.). Their service to ORD and STL were shots fired at WN, in particular DAL-STL since Missouri was added to the list of Wright Amendment states and once through ticketing out of DAL was allowed, that killed AA's advantage with their DAL-ORD service since WN passengers could purchase DAL-STL-MDW tickets and not have to buy two separate tickets (DAL-STL and STL-MDW). It didn't make sense to start competing service at DAL in order to "protect" their interests at DFW.


User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10213 times:
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Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 5):

The same can be said of MDW. I believe DL is the only legacy serving the airport and they serve MDW to ATL,DTW, and MSP. This flight will be connecting to their largest hub and i'm sure they will make it work till they can put bigger equipment on the route post 2014. I believe just like MDW/ORD, IAD/DCA, JFK/LGA/HPN/EWR and IAH/HOU serve different catchment areas so do DAL/DFW, and DL has service to all those airports from ATL. DAL is a logical add following their strategy with other large cities with more then one airport.

[Edited 2012-07-07 10:02:23]

[Edited 2012-07-07 10:02:44]

User currently offlinebomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10081 times:

Doesn't this go against DL's self imposed cap for aircraft without First Class on board? Great Circle Mapper shows this route at 721sm or 627nm. Isn't the cap something like 500miles, or is it 750miles? Just seems fishy to me.

Peace   



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10431 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9733 times:

Quoting bomber996 (Reply 17):
or is it 750miles?

I was thinking it was 750 miles..............



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9655 times:

Quoting bomber996 (Reply 17):
Doesn't this go against DL's self imposed cap for aircraft without First Class on board? Great Circle Mapper shows this route at 721sm or 627nm. Isn't the cap something like 500miles, or is it 750miles? Just seems fishy to me.

Peace

Well, if DL wants to serve DAL, they have to make this exception because they don't have a choice due to Wright. Once Wright restrictions are lifted and if DL is still serving the route, DL would happlily replace those CR2s with CR7s or CR9s.



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User currently offlinecat3dual From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9488 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 19):
Once Wright restrictions are lifted and if DL is still serving the route, DL would happlily replace those CR2s with CR7s or CR9s.

Or the Boeing 717.


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9464 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 18):

I was thinking it was 750 miles..............

you are correct, its 750 miles. I know here at CID its all CRJ to ATL and that is 696 miles...so the DAL flight is under that cap.

[Edited 2012-07-07 11:20:33]

User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8986 times:

Quoting skymiler (Reply 11):
Let's see -- grab a couple of CR700's, expand 1st by a few, reduce Y by a bunch, increase YComfort by a few and Presto Bing! a 2 class 56 seater!

Now that wold be shot across WN's bow!

Delta and the rest of the industry has already seen what that looks like thanks to Legend (retrofitted DC9s) and American (subfleet of retrofitted F100s). Ain't never gonna happen.

Texan



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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8923 times:

Quoting cat3dual (Thread starter):
Bookable now on Delta.com. 5x daily CRJ service beginning on September 5, 2012.


I'm sure in 2014 - we'll be seeing the WN leased 717s on this route.   



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23023 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8839 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 21):
you are correct, its 750 miles. I know here at CID its all CRJ to ATL and that is 696 miles...so
the DAL flight is under that cap.

Regardless, that's a brutal flight on a CRJ. The good news is that DL revenue management will probably ensure that they aren't much more than 60 percent full.



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25 gdg9 : Interesting fares - Sep 5-8 R/T DAL-ATL is $511.90, DFW-ATL is $395.60. Oct 8-15 DAL-ATL is still $511.90 and DFW-ATL is $317.60. All fares in Y, on D
26 bobloblaw : Not to mention a giant waste of $$$ for Delta This is true I have never heard of RM ensuring a LF of only 60%. Their goal is to maximize revenue and
27 QANTAS747-438 : DL will probably upgrade the plane to the 717 in 2014, using the very plane WN gave them in an ironic twist.
28 spiritair97 : HPN, maybe. But LGB, obviously JetBlue would disagree, and for SNA, WN would completely disagree, and so do I. SNA is considered a "major airport", a
29 Cubsrule : I can't speak to the result, but I can tell you that in strong WN-DL hub markets that WN does not fly nonstop, DL tends to price far higher than WN a
30 Post contains images point2point : UA has made a go of DEN-DAL and it's about 2X daily with seasonal increases to 3X daily. This flight has been going on for a couple of years now ....
31 MaverickM11 : LGB makes ONT look high yield--LGB has some of the lowest yield fares in the LA area, and the country. Considering how restricted the airport is, it'
32 msp747 : They have a small fleet of CRJ700's (ex-QX birds I believe). They have 3 rows of first and 2 of EC. Hold 65 passengers. I don't know if they could co
33 JONC777 : This is an interesting play .. . also even if WN was inclined to put price point pressure on DL I doubt they would as it would tie up seats on whateve
34 JONC777 : I will add however that there is a HUGE price difference between DL and WN in this market so at this point DL is probably just hoping people arent pri
35 FlyPNS1 : You'd just end up with a plane that has an even higher CASM than the CRJ200...yikes!! I don't think this affects WN at all. I doubt they care right n
36 JONC777 : A non stop flight vrs a thru flight is a easy sell to business folks especially if love field is there desired airport.
37 JetBlueAUS : Yes! I'm sure we'll see the MEM route gone in the next round of cuts. I'm also pretty positive that DL just wants to keep DAL alive so they'll have a
38 chrisair : Ever do business in Irvine, Costa Mesa, Newport Beach or Anacrime and drive up to LAX for a 7p flight on a Friday? DAL is a fantastic airport if you
39 poLOT : The aircraft can't physically have more than 56 seats in it, blocking seats for sale to get to 56 is not allowed (Insert Deltalina finger wag).[Edite
40 YYZAMS : I, too, remember and flew on this route back in the day. It was a nonrevs backup plan to get to ATL instead of DFW. I think they are wise to do this.
41 Post contains images asteriskceo : Yet flights still go out of SNA full.
42 Post contains images mayor : Which, as we ALL know, is no guarantee of profit.......
43 BoeingGuy : Why? My sister lives 4 miles from SNA. Why would I want to fly into LAX and have a 1 hour drive on the freeway in traffic (or make someone do that ro
44 enilria : Closing the MEM hub Kin d or surprised they didn't just not sell over 56 seats. AA flew F100s out of DAL without selling all the seats. I believe the
45 poLOT : AA reconfigured some its F100s to only 56 seats for DAL service; it was originally referred to as Executive Class and had special perks/amenities to
46 Post contains links steex : Whether Anderson said that as an approximation or mistake, the "rule" that DL has subjected itself to is officially 750 miles. http://www.youtube.com
47 MaverickM11 : For the airline. You'd think a tightly controlled and supply restricted airport--or anything for that matter--with byzantine user restrictions and re
48 Post contains images texan : The aircraft cannot be designed to carry, in its configuration, more than 56 passengers. There was a court case around this as well, with AA claiming
49 enilria : I'm positive I saw a picture of an F100 with a rope blocking the seats. Regardless, DL could have a dedicated CR7 and back it up with a CRJ.
50 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Well if you did, then American was in violation of federal law - specifically the Shelby Amendment. From Dallas Love Field Chronology of events: Link
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