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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 117  
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 19701 times:

Welcome to the 117th New Zealand Aviation Thread. In New Zealand Aviation Thread #116 (by ZKOJH Jun 19 2012 in Civil Aviation) we discussed:

- NZ AKL-DPS flights
- Potential for CHC and WLG to get new long haul flights
- Potential new destinations in the Americas for NZ
- NZ 77W on AKL-RAR and NZ's RAR operations
- Fog in AKL

Other related threads:
Air New Zealand To Denver? (by klwright69 Jul 3 2012 in Civil Aviation)

218 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19316 times:

well best get Number 17 off to a start then;

ANZ are in hot water ''

''Kiwis pay top dollar on Air NZ''

Air New Zealand has been left scrambling to explain why Kiwis are charged hundreds - even thousands - of dollars more than British passengers for the same flights.

A customer based in Britain who books online a return economy-class flight from London to Auckland will pay much less than a New Zealand-based traveller who books the same journey in reverse on Air New Zealand's website at the same time.

The price disparity can vary wildly, but a standard round-trip between Auckland and Heathrow via Los Angeles will set a New Zealand-based passenger back $500 more for an economy seat, $1500 more for a SkyCouch upgrade, $2100 more for a premium economy seat and $3000 in business class.

follow the story below.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10818060

and

**SCHEDULE CHANGES TO LONDON VIA HONG KONG**


Air New Zealand wishes to advise that the operating flight number for our one-stop service between Auckland and London via Hong Kong will change from NZ39 to NZ35 for all B777-200 flights between Monday 29 October 2012 and Saturday 30 March 2013. Flight arrival and departure times are as follows.

• Depart AKL 23:59 arrive HKG 06:05 the following day
• Depart HKG 09:05 arrive LHR 14:45

[Edited 2012-07-09 01:29:17]


CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8580 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19302 times:
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Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 1):
''Kiwis pay top dollar on Air NZ''

Air New Zealand has been left scrambling to explain why Kiwis are charged hundreds - even thousands - of dollars more than British passengers for the same flights.



I guess it was a slow news day again at the Herald ( Just like every other day   ) . In the Singaporean media you will frequently read something similar "Singaporeans pay top dollar on SQ" while in Aussie it will be "Aussies pay top dollar for QF" and in Britain it would read "British pay top pounds on BA". It's the way the market works. The home carrier in any market is almost always the most expensive. In other markets they need to price more keenly because of the lack of prescence/recognition.

Annoying? Yes.

Unusual or unexpected? Not really, except apparently to the 'journalists' at the Herald.



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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19273 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 1):
change from NZ39 to NZ35

I wonder what is the reason for the change. NZ38/39 is a lot easier to remember than NZ35/38.


User currently offlinezkeoj From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19236 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
I guess it was a slow news day again at the Herald ( Just like every other day ) . In the Singaporean media you will frequently read something similar "Singaporeans pay top dollar on SQ" while in Aussie it will be "Aussies pay top dollar for QF" and in Britain it would read "British pay top pounds on BA". It's the way the market works. The home carrier in any market is almost always the most expensive. In other markets they need to price more keenly because of the lack of prescence/recognition.

100% agreed! Germans pay more on LH, Dutch on KL, etc... it's just the home advantage of an airline, and nothing new at all....


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 19104 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
Unusual or unexpected? Not really, except apparently to the 'journalists' at the Herald.

I sent an email to the journalist concerned telling her that she had not served her readers very well by not doing a fare comparison with the other one stop carriers out of NZL to LHR . ( CX and SQ)


User currently offlinetimb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 18911 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 1):
Air New Zealand has been left scrambling to explain why Kiwis are charged hundreds - even thousands - of dollars more than British passengers for the same flights

While there may be similar stories in other countries showing the home carrier charging more for routes originaing in its home country, i still think that it was a good article as outside of this forum many members of the public are unaware that such 'market forces' are so markedly at play.

With the collapse of Greece, the UK APD and the Euro crisis in general, the J class pricing for Europe originating itineraries is as inconsistent as ever. E.g. An executive flying business class from Germany would pay 4,777 Euro on Lufthansa while this is a mere 2,440 Euro if the itinerary for the same lufthansa flights originates in Athens. On BA, return Amsterdam to JFK is 2,331 pounds while direct from Heathrow it is a staggering 4,720 pounds.

Still, for an airline partially owned by the govt who is elected to act in the publics best interests, some may view this an an outrage, an unfair 'profit' or 'tax' (as the govt is ashareholder) derived from people choosing NZ based on naional pride and loyalty as the article reports. Of course, some posters clearly take the political position that the best interests of the voters of NZ is best served by NZ making the max possibe profit available for distribution. Of course such political distinctions are inevitable.

Of note, one must remember that in decades gone by, IATA regulated airfares in such way that this would not happen. Airlines had to adjust airfares with currency movements, if not they would face stiff penalties. I, like many, favour deregulation, but it is merely interesting to note that it was considered in all's best interest not to allow such pricing regimes in the days of IATA regulation.

[Edited 2012-07-09 16:40:18]

User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2890 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18531 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
Annoying? Yes.

Unusual or unexpected? Not really, except apparently to the 'journalists' at the Herald.

This is old news indeed..I remember 25 years ago or so the same thing was going on. It cost my Family in England, far less than it did for me to fly Qantas between Sydney and London and vis a versa. The reason we were given back then was also something to do with High/low season's in the respective countries.



Flown 905,468 kms or 2.356 times to the moon, 1296 hrs, Longest flight 10,524 kms
User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18513 times:

I just flew NZ for the first time last week going PER-AKL-HNL in J, I just wanted to pop in and say you Kiwis know how to run an airline unlike a certain idiot on this side of the Tasman! Both flights were EXCEPTIONAL and some of the best service I have ever received, even better than SQ. As old as she was, the 763 seemed absolutely immaculate inside and the 772 was even better! Cannot wait to fly NZ again.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 18381 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 8):

Good to know your experience was positive. How did you take the change from the 763 J seat to the herringbone?



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18205 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):
How did you take the change from the 763 J seat to the herringbone?

Honestly, for a 6 hour flight, the 763 J was fine, even for a redeye service. The whole atmosphere of the cabin was very sophisticated, the black leather and dark carpets look stunning with the cabin's square lines. The herringbone was fantastic, much better than CX's old J because it's less claustrophobic.

The 763 actually had better IFE than the 772, the touch Panasonic screens are fantastic.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17991 times:

Everyone set for the big show tommrow the launch of ANZ 'OneUp' !!

how long will it take for them to backtrack on this idea. ??  

The way I see it, if you want to fly Business class then pay the price, no point of trying to bid for it and only know a week before hand if you have it!

Air New Zealand's new 'bid for upgrades' auction system takes effect tomorrow, July 12, as the airline abandons the long-standing ability to purchase upgrades at a fixed price using Airpoints dollars -- Air NZ's version of frequent flyer points.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/airnz-makes-...id-for-upgrades-via-online-auction

 Wow!   



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 17924 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 11):
how long will it take for them to backtrack on this idea. ??

Longer than you might think. I always predicted that the life span of the marketing own-goal "Ricco" would be measured in nano seconds; instead, it lasted about a year. "One up" I imagine was contrived by the same demographic (albeit in different departments) as Ricco, and will be similarly loved by the travelling public. Another iteration of the "downgrade-hype-release-backtrck" cycle from NZ that's become monotonously predictable over the last few years.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17867 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 10):
The 763 actually had better IFE than the 772, the touch Panasonic screens are fantastic.

Yep, that's one reason why people have been wanting the 772 to be upgraded with the 77W product for a while..

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 11):
how long will it take for them to backtrack on this idea. ??

Too long. But they've already lost many high valued customers before the scheme had even been implemented - very hard for them to win back those passengers, I'd imagine.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17496 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
Yep, that's one reason why people have been wanting the 772 to be upgraded with the 77W product for a while..

The seats and IFE on the 772 do look a bit aged by now. Does the IFE on 772 crash more often than the Panasonic version, or is it just me?


User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17445 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
Yep, that's one reason why people have been wanting the 772 to be upgraded with the 77W product for a while..

Except, of course, for the fact the 77W has ten abreast in Y, whereas the 772 has nine.

I recently traveled on a full 772 in Y - it was an utter sardine can. What is must be like to travel in similar circumstances AKL-LHR in Y on the 77W, I cannot imagine.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17419 times:
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Air NZ drops down world's best airline list - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mone...rops-down-worlds-best-airline-list

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 10):
the 763 J was fine, even for a redeye service. The whole atmosphere of the cabin was very sophisticated, the black leather and dark carpets look stunning with the cabin's square lines. The herringbone was fantastic, much better than CX's old J because it's less claustrophobic.

The 763 actually had better IFE than the 772, the touch Panasonic screens are fantastic.

Flying NZ246 (DPS-AKL) last week I was upgraded into J (flight was just over half full) and I found 2A to be very comfy for a day time flight. Thought the new ordering system and touch screen were excellent.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17417 times:

Quoting gasman (Reply 15):
I recently traveled on a full 772 in Y - it was an utter sardine can.

I was in a packed CX 77W.. surely felt a lot more spacious than a sardine can.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3033 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 17331 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 16):
Air NZ drops down world's best airline list

I know people will question how objective Skytrax is, but this (drop from 7th to 17th - the worst of any airline on the list) equates with my experience. NZ used to be significantly better than AC (19th), but I now find them about the same. AC is a *** airline, so I wonder if NZ is on the verge of being downgraded. Sad, really, especially for the front-line staff who still go the extra mile as best they can, but are handicapped by a downgraded product. I guess CEOs who spend most of their time fluffing on social media don't improve pax' appreciation of the actual product.



Empty vessels make the most noise.
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 17247 times:

Omg 7th to 17 thats pritty very bad even for nz standards, what reasons are behind such a big drop? Oh they should listern to the customers however there probley jumping ship in big numbers what a day!


CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 17246 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 16):
Air NZ drops down world's best airline list

I know, this was a huge kick in the guts to NZ. Even though people argue skytrax is not the be all and end all of ranking systems it is still a gauge none the less. Quite a few comments on the site about the decline in quality, 3-4-3 on a 777, seats to suit not being what it's cracked up to be etc etc.

I really hope things will turn around before it's too late


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 17240 times:
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Can't wait to see this!

Air New Zealand's promoting Hobbit on flights and spending millions on movie promotions including...........painting two B777s (B77W and B772) into Hobbit planes

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...ealand-promoting-Hobbit-on-flights


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1270 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 17227 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 21):
painting two B777s (B77W and B772) into Hobbit planes

Fantastic news. Once these aircraft are repainted (or have a sticker applied), the following Air New Zealand aircraft will be wearing special liveries:

'Crazy About Rugby':
ZK-OAB, ZK-OJR,

'All Black' (identical to the A320s but with a larger Koru and no 'Crazy About Rugby' titles):
ZK-OKQ, ZK-EAG

'Star Alliance':
ZK-OJH (currently it has a 15 years sticker also http://bit.ly/ShN7wo)

'The Hobbit':
ZK-OK*, ZK-OK*

Unless I am missing any, that is seven aircraft in total. Some kind of record for Air New Zealand, maybe?



Air New Zealand; first to fly the Boeing 787-9. ZK-NZE, NZ103 AKL-SYD, 2014/08/09. I was 83rd to board.
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 17221 times:
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Quoting zkojq (Reply 22):

Unless I am missing any, that is seven aircraft in total. Some kind of record for Air New Zealand, maybe?

Two more 1900Ds are still to be painted black, so a total of 9 aircraft once finished.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 17231 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 22):

Still waiting for a retrojet of some sort too!  



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
25 Post contains images sunrisevalley : After the Skytrax results they should cut out the flashy stuff and start dealing with the substance. The travelling experience has nothing to do with
26 aerorobnz : It comes down to consistency of product for me, Passengers need to know what they will be offered as product onboard will not change from flight to f
27 ZKSUJ : Would be nice to see it in some of the other fleet
28 777ER : Fully agree! A Q300 and ATR would look nice IMHO, but the high wings would reduce the look
29 Post contains images zkojq : Good to hear. Do we know what timeframe this will happen in? Well that makes two of us. I would love to see a TEAL or NAC livery on one of the 737s b
30 kiwiandrew : Or, speaking of retro, a Mt Cook Lily livery.
31 Post contains links 777ER : Airport's bid draws flak - http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times...ws/7277811/Airports-bid-draws-flak
32 Post contains images Andrensn : Is CHC capable of taking an A380 if Auckland was closed? Crazy Idea: What about a crazy about rugby Mt Cook lily cross? How old are the oldest ATR 72
33 777ER : Yes CHC is able to handle A380s Some are about 5 years old
34 Post contains links Andrensn : Look at this http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/fleet Where some of the newer ATRs delivered before the oldest Q300's? Some of the ATRs must really be ge
35 Post contains links NZ1 : ZK-MCA is the oldest ATR in the fleet and is almost 13 years old. Link here: http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-atr-597.htm NZ1
36 Andrensn : By the time the options become available that aircraft will be at least 16 years old, would this be old enough for NZ to consider retiring these airc
37 777ER : Newest is 8 years old according to Airfleets
38 Post contains links kiwiandrew : Interesting question http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/fleet lists their average age as 11.5 years at the moment. They mention their daily usage is abou
39 NZ107 : AKL-NPE is around an hour, AKL-PMR is about the same, PMR-CHC would be similar too and same with CHC-DUD or CHC-ZQN. To me, these include the main ro
40 haggis73 : ZK-EAK was repainted at the end of Jan in the All Black livery. Was only out for a month or so if my memory serves me correctly before going back in
41 Andrensn : Do you think in the future that CHC will build a Double Airbridge so that it can properly handle an A380 because you never know EK might want to send
42 ZKSUJ : First one arrived in 2001 as far as I'm aware so thats 11 years old for the oldest one. The replacement will be interesting though, lack of replaceme
43 zkojq : ZK-EAP was the last Beech 1900 ever made - delivered November 2002, so nearly 10 years old. ZK-EAQ and ZK-EAR were originally delivered in 1999 to Co
44 Megatop747-412 : So does that mean it will be "the end" of Eagle Air? I know it is part of the Air NZ group but just wondering would it cease to exist as a separate e
45 aerorobnz : 3 bases, 3 management structures, 3 fleets, 3 separate crew pools is untenable. The lack of suitable replacement for the 1900D leaves only one option
46 motorhussy : A little big but why not the Embraer Brasilia? A growth to 30-seats can't be beyond the realm of many of those smaller provincial routes. Is it too o
47 A330NZ : I was flying back home from a holiday in Vietnam yesterday, and I had a rather long layover in SIN While I was there, I spotted an NZ 777-200ER parked
48 deconz : Flight Centre Global Ball charter ... flew Friday 13/07/12 AKL/SYD/SIN
49 Andrensn : I thought those went out of production about the same time as the B1900D If ATR produces the ATR-92 do you think that might buy them to replace the A
50 aerocabin : Hi everyone, I'm a regular visitor to this thread but hardly ever post! Just a question re: the NZ subsidaries: While Mount Cook is a NZ subsidiary, d
51 aerorobnz : Technically Embraer could still offer it if the tooling is available (commonality with ERJ135/145 so likely some), but it is out of production. One w
52 nzrich : Yes Mt Cook does select its own crew . Normally only advertised in CHC as it is it's only base at the moment .
53 aerocabin : Thanks for that!
54 duff : I'm assuming from your name that you are asking about Cabin Crew recruitment which I think is done separately. However, pilot recruitment is centralis
55 aerocabin : I was just wondering overall - including crew, maintenance and operational/management. Mainly as there is still an online presence for both Eagle Air
56 ZKSUJ : Its flight crew through a 'recruit to group' system (all pilots apply for all 3 links and they are put where they are deemded best suited). Everythin
57 sunrisevalley : Are you are referring to the long haul services and the difference's between the 77E and 77W in Y and Y+ ? The A320 TT services can hardly be conside
58 aerorobnz : Yes predominantly, but there is no uniformity from one type to the next as you say and I think from my own passenger experiences and from things pass
59 gasman : This is a very well written post, and I agree wholeheartedly with all the sentiments expressed. There are an increasing number of examples of how one
60 Post contains links legacyins : HA is to start HNL-AKL service 3x per week using their 763. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/busine...aiian-airlines-to-start-nz-flights
61 motorhussy : A good alternative to NZ. Hope they have some good introductory airfares as they will be competing and growing the market exclusively on price.
62 gasman : and of course the fact they will be offering seamless transfers to Hawaiian destinations other than HNL. But never fear - you can rest assured that N
63 aerorobnz : I think the standard fares will be very competitive. The Intro fares should be even better. If you lop the same percentage off AKL-HNL NZ fares as it
64 DavidByrne : Hmm . . . I went to the Hawaiian website to see if I could find their press release - but they don't seem to have them available on-line. I typed "Au
65 Post contains links legacyins : Here is a link to the Hawaiian website announcing the service. I believe it should be loaded by now. http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com...-newsArti
66 DavidByrne : Thanks
67 koruman : BNE-HNL = 4,700 miles AKL-HNL = 4,400 miles Hawaiian fares: BNE-HNL return Economy = $1019 BNE-HNL-LAX/SFO return Economy = $1599 BNE-HNL-JFK return E
68 sunrisevalley : Fyfe was quoted a year or so ago that NZ was a LCC. Very well said. Does Luzon have to wait for Fyfe to move on before he starts putting his stamp on
69 Post contains images gasman : I can certainly understand what Rob was saying, but someone needs to explain to him that "Low Cost" can be interpreted to mean "doesn't cost very muc
70 anstar : Thats quite low... will be interesting to see if they actually make money from it.
71 mariner : Yes, indeed - good luck at those prices. And $1019 round trip BNE-HNL in Y? I don't see it, unless those are still the introductory fares. mariner
72 koruman : Mariner, those are long-term fares. The flight is similar in duration to London to Chicago or Miami, where the equivalent fares (£650 economy, £2000
73 Post contains images mariner : I see you're pricing in quid, not dollars. And - of course - there's quite a diff between A$ and NZ$. I've found plenty of $1000 fares BNE-HNL one wa
74 xiaotung : Rob Fyfe on the record has said that he is anti-research. He follows his instinct. He likes being nimble and not afriad of making mistakes. Not sure
75 Andrensn : Sorry if this has been asked before on this forum What is NZ using for European connections now that BMI is gone?
76 aerorobnz : LH. SK and seemingly BA?(according to airfares available) Keep in mind that most European bound traffic leaves NZ in HKG/LAX/SFO/PVG to connect with
77 NZ2 : I have used HA 3 times in the last 4 years for flights from HNL to the outer isalnds, I found their website easy to use and no problems with the flig
78 Kaiarahi : To add to the examples, if you buy a PE fare between AKL and a N. American destination beyond LAX/SFO/YVR, NZ dumps you into the lowest fare bucket f
79 motorhussy : You'd have to wonder why NZ doesn't take full advantage of their staralliance membership and have direct connex at LHR to LH, LO, LX, OS, SK, SN, TP,
80 sunrisevalley : Do you do this or do you get two tickets, one for YVR/SFO/LAX-AKL and return and another for YOW to the West Coast and return?
81 xiaotung : Perhaps more people going to other parts of Europe would prefer 1 stop journey to 2 stops.
82 motorhussy : Indeed, so guess NZ has to make sure their product is a really compelling proposition. I do prefer NZ to most other airlines when flying longhaul and
83 Post contains links ZKOJH : More spats between NZ and WLG! ''Wellington Airport gouging $100m excess profit - Air NZ'' Wellington International Airport, owned by Infratil and the
84 aerorobnz : Personally if I have the choice, I'm not going to transit LHR to go anywhere - the only reason to go is for me visiting London. The taxes are ridicul
85 gasman : An example which I was aware of, which is why I have just purchased a premium economy journey AKL-JFK via SYD and LAX on QF. It was $500 cheaper than
86 LoveNZ : Hi everyone, I have just joined A.net after 5 years of reading this website almost daily. I am interested to know how long you think it will take NZ t
87 777ER : With my next USA/Canada trips I'm booking the LAX/SFO/YVR sectors with NZ and booking UA/US/AC directly. Can get US first class for roughly the same
88 777ER : I was on the third DPS flight. The flight there was 98-100% full with the return flight being around 70% full. IMHO NZ is onto a winner with DPS and
89 aerorobnz : Yes I concede that it is doing ok, but seats to suit. No way, I have my reasons for this that I can't tell you workwise.
90 zkojq : I would have said the same, but keep in mind that Garuda Intends to begin flights to Auckland again - maybe from DPS. This could make the route less
91 Kaiarahi : Since I know what about it, I buy separate tickets. But I've had numerous conversations with other infrequent PE pax returning from Canada/US complai
92 BlackLabel : I'm inclined to agree with you that LHR is - or more accurately, was - a terrible airport to transit. With most of Star in T1 it isn't too terrible n
93 Post contains links NZ107 : And there we have it - the talk about the new livery comes down to changing the koru to black and altering the font. http://theflyingsocialnetwork.com
94 Post contains links and images zkojq : Oh dear, that looks terrible. The current teal blue/green on the tails is beautiful as was the pacific wave scheme (which I want back). I have starte
95 NZ107 : Same here. I'm just thinking about how boring going to the airport will be in a few years (actually, it kinda is already a little boring!).
96 777ER : Since when was black our national colour? Would prefer to see a fleet wide 'All Black' design tail scheme like on the 2x A320s etc
97 jamesnz : I started tracking these threads back in 2006 because there was talk of a new livery back then. If I recall correctly some people had insights into wh
98 Post contains links ZKOJH : Well at least New Zealand is good for something even if the airline can't get an award! ''Auckland International Airport is named the Best Airport in
99 MotorHussy : Just for the hell of it… if I were the new NZ CEO I'd try and get board approval to… 1/ Retire the 77E and 763 fleets 2/ Order A332HGW fleet as in
100 Post contains images NZ107 : That wasn't hard, especially when they were up against the likes of SYD and BNE.. Sounds like the FJ plan
101 gasman : You are quite right, and I too remember those discussions well. Another thing that was never made apparrent was why the Pacific Wave on the fuselage
102 ZKSUJ : What would you do with Seats 2 Suit? and the 10 abreast in Y?
103 MotorHussy : Not sure on Seats to Suit in regional services but there will be a premium service in Y+. 10-abreast in Y on the 77W will stay as long as that fleet
104 NZ107 : Just saying you could have thought of a more unique strategy!
105 koruman : If we are playing "I'm the new CEO"........ 1) Restrict Seats 2 Suit to Tasman, Fiji, Samoa, and with a 2 row premium cabin identical to long-haul 77W
106 mariner : Then you would lose me as a customer on any of my frequent trips to Australia, especially PER. mariner
107 koruman : If you are so price-sensitive that you want to save $70 on a 6.5 hour flight by renouncing baggage, IFE and catering then you would go to Jetstar wit
108 mariner : When did I renounce baggage, IFE and catering? And I have no idea where you got $70 from. mariner
109 koruman : You said that if Seats 2 Suit was axed, you wouldn't fly to Perth anymore. On AKL-PER, the Works fare equates to the old all-inclusive fare. The only
110 mariner : No - I said I wouldn't fly with Air New Zealand. Works De Luxe was the reason I chose Air New Zealand. It was cheaper than Virgin Australia's Flexifa
111 DavidByrne : What you haven't said is WHY you would make these changes, especially dumping the 789 order. And even if you did want to standardise on the A350 in i
112 gasman : It has been some years since it's catered for me. My needs are simply: - a comfortable Y product (the 744 with 36" pitch certainly used to qualify).
113 sunrisevalley : I wonder if the 77W is necessary. At 80% load factors NZ is selling about 280 seats . NZ has no present route that needs the range that this offers of
114 deconz : Agreed. However, IIRC it was 34" pitch in Y and 38-40" in the (old) Y+
115 gasman : I could be wrong, but I thought up until about 2003 or so it was 36". Whatever it was, for me it represented the 'comfort baseline'. For me, anything
116 aerorobnz : As far as 2012 awards go, I thought a little analysis (as far as NZ) might be in order. I have tried to be as objective as possible. World's best Airl
117 Kaiarahi : Does anyone know how to book a flight from AKL-YOW on the NZ website. It won't allow you to input any city other than the drop-down list and Ottawa is
118 ZKOJH : to sum it up in short NZ need to go back to the drawing board again! And maybe have really people at the table instead of monkeys or children, because
119 mariner : I must have flown on a different airline a couple of weeks ago, because the airline I flew on was certainly s good carrier, and it was called Air New
120 xiaotung : I just visited Air New Zealand's Australia Facebook page and everything appears to be already in black. Am I the only one who feels the page looks awf
121 Post contains links mariner : Virgin Australia goes even more bland international: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vir...asses/story-e6frf7jo-1226431600701 "Virgin Australia cabin
122 Post contains images gasman : No one has said that it isn't possible to have a great experience on Air New Zealand. That doesn't negate the fact there are aspects of their product
123 mariner : Very few have said that it is. But - each to their own, always. mariner
124 gasman : I may be misunderstanding you, but your "resigned" tone implies that there are people here who would criticise NZ purely out of narrowmindedness or s
125 ZKSUJ : Well said
126 mariner : In at least some cases, I believe that to be true. When those of who, by choice, choose Seats to Suit are told that we are "thirsty, uncomfortable, b
127 gasman : Agreed. And in the 1970's, Britain joined the EU and there was a major global oil shock. A few years later the direness of the New Zealand economy ma
128 MotorHussy : Because the A332HGW is the right size and spec for NZ right now. The 77E is often too much plane and the 763 underperforms or is too small. Plus the
129 mariner : I was here, in Auckland, the night Britain announced the intention to join the EU and people were gathered on the streets of Auckland in anger and de
130 Post contains images NZ107 : I can just imagine what the "update your details" page would look like.. Preferred name: Mate
131 Post contains images mariner : I just did exactly that. mariner
132 koruman : And so why can't it be marketed as Premium Economy at that price? Mariner, I'm really sorry, I was just being flippant. I was arguing that people who
133 mariner : I don't understand this bee you have in your bonnet about S2S - since you say you only travel up the front, it shouldn't affect you in any way, shape
134 koruman : Mariner, the problem with Works Deluxe is that on narrow-body flights it is the ONLY option above standard Economy class, even for international fligh
135 ZK-NBT : They did it was the 767. Though it lacked a bit of range for some routes and the floors weren't reinforced to handle Biz Premier. They could have the
136 mariner : I don't have a problem with that. One mo' time - the seating is essentially the same as Virgin's PE, the goodies are better. I got that point that yo
137 koruman : Mariner, I would hope that most of us exercise a degree of pragmatism before being parted from our own money. My choice came down to the following two
138 mariner : I don't have a problem with you shopping around. I don't get this "national loyalty" thing (get the best deal you can) and you choose not to live and
139 Post contains images gasman : It's simply nice to feel that one has a mutually beneficial relationship with the airline that you chose to identify with. I have recently been cheat
140 MotorHussy : Could and probably should have. But the 781 isn't confirmed let alone fully defined yet and certainly doesn't look like a 77W replacement. I prefer t
141 gasman : True. And an 8 abreast 332 - better still; and a 7 abreast 763 - nirvana!
142 sunrisevalley : I can't subscribe to this view unless NZ's 77E's are substancially over sized for their market and based on their long haul load factors I find this
143 Post contains links ZKOJH : Are we seeing some light at the end of the tunnel? ''June sees highest tourist numbers in seven years'' The number of short-term arrivals rose to a se
144 Post contains links MotorHussy : Not necessarily substantially over-sized, but a smaller craft would offer more flexibility and be able to offer better frequency for the likes of...
145 aerorobnz : I understand what you mean about the 332 in the fleet - because had it been ordered after the second major 787 delay 5 years ago it would have comfor
146 sunrisevalley : To me it seems likely that QF purchased the A332 with the AKL-LAX route in mind and set the seating capacity so that at about 80% occupancy they had
147 Post contains links and images zkojq : Does anyone know why a Blue Air Boeing 737-300 was in Auckland today? I was watching this video on One News and the registration (YR-BAC) is clearly v
148 ZK-NBT : Ex ZK-SLA and VH-CZA I was told it was all white. Not sure if its returning to NZ for good or not.
149 haggis73 : Arrived in the early hours of Saturday morning via DPS & BNE. Met by Airwork engineers on arrival, so possibly one of there new acquisitions.
150 Post contains images zkojq : Interesting. Thanks for the quick response. Sounds like we might be seeing more of this bird - always good to have another aircraft in the national f
151 sunrisevalley : The 788 with 242-seats has a significantly less range than a 789 with 250-seats. I believe this is part of the reason for the switch from the 788 to
152 aerorobnz : Yes, it does, but the 788 is the '767' replacement suitable for the shorter flights flown by the 763 in NZ operation. There is that need to fly an ai
153 sunrisevalley : You are probably right but the advantage may not be as great as you think. Take a 12hr city pair, a 767-300ER w/winglets has a max payload of ~28t. I
154 NZ107 : Though further on down the track, the commonality between the 788 and 789 would surely have some advantage in terms of maintenance, surely? In simila
155 ZKSUJ : Seen on Yahoo that NZ are reducing domestic fares again and adding extra capacity over the comming year. Probably a good thing from a consumer's persp
156 Post contains links 777ER : http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...0886/Air-New-Zealand-slashes-fares Could this be a case of NZ wanting to reduce fares itself or could there be
157 Post contains links NZ107 : Air NZ will seat up to 300 in first 789s Well, I presume they can only do this by going 9-abreast. Buying new planes to fly Asian leisure routes sound
158 DavidByrne : I'm sure they hadn't thought of that. Maybe you should e-mail them to let them know how wrong they are to do this.
159 NZ107 : Can't wait to see them change their minds after reading/throwing such an email away. Just like how their HVCs were treated.
160 ZKOJH : ''about 300 seats, representing a relatively large proportion of economy passengers'' gosh really they already came down from 34 inch on the 744 to 32
161 PA515 : Using the 789 initially to 'North Asia' in a leisure configuration was only revealed by Air NZ management late last year. Previously Air NZ intended
162 aerorobnz : 300 in a 789. what a horrifying thought. the 77E has only a few more than that.
163 777ER : Maybe NZ has finally seen the light and worked out that leisure markets work with a seperate seating plan that doesn't include high premium seats. One
164 sunrisevalley : This appears to be an about face. Not many months ago Kerry Reeves was talking 250-seats. I agree with the previous post that on the face of it there
165 koruman : Sunrise Valley, I'm not sure that it matters. All Air NZ strategic moves this last year or two have been predicated upon: 1) Gouging monopoly / duopol
166 Post contains images mariner : I'm not sure what the perceived problem is. mariner
167 sunrisevalley : Luxon made some encouraging noises about developing more business in North America. He was CEO of Unilever Canada a job which he would not have held
168 ZK-NBT : PVG AKL 0545 0915 NRT NRT AKL 0915 2345 PVG Throw a Tasman or PI service in aswell. I'm guessing these aircraft will be around 24J 24 W 250Y!?
169 Post contains images sunrisevalley : Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying
170 aerorobnz : he is offering a potential rotation that you asked for and their scheduled arrival/departure times. PVG flight in NRT flight out, NRT flight in PVG f
171 Post contains links ZKOJH : slightly a week old but, didn't get picked up? ''Air NZ flight from Bali delayed after fuel leak'' An Air New Zealand plane has been held up in Bali a
172 Post contains links WLG787 : Zest Air readies for flights to Australia & NZ - wonder if this will actually happen! http://www.interaksyon.com/business/...alia-and-nz-as-it-gea
173 NZ107 : Well good luck to them..
174 777ER : IIRC ZK-NCG operated both my flights to/from Bali, so I wonder if -NCG was the aircraft?
175 aerorobnz : I flew them, they're a very slick LCC operation - better than any of the other ones I have flown. Would be popular with both filipinos & koreans
176 777ER : I'm working nights this week and a few hours ago I heard two Pilipinos talking about the possible new route and how happy they would be at having an
177 NZ107 : Does anyone have any information about what happened with NZ6 last night, and the following effects?
178 PA515 : Agreed. All that could be achieved with three aircraft on present schedules is a Daily AKL-PVG-AKL (2 aircraft) and a slightly less than daily AKL-NR
179 sunrisevalley : Thanks. So it must be assumed that a 763 or a 77E will be needed to round out the schedule.
180 aerorobnz : Yes I do know, but no I'm not confident enough to give you the information online until the avherald publishes. And me, far preferable to holiday in
181 LAXintl : Several months back, I posted that Air NZ was exploring a move away from its current LAX terminal 2 home into the remodeled International Terminal at
182 koruman : Horrible, miserable news. T2 has been great: it's not a zoo like TBIT and in fact the lounge was the best in the network until they started to pimp i
183 LAXintl : Well the move to TBIT will make connections to the likes of Lufthansa easier… Ultimately, however while this will surely be sold as a ‘service imp
184 777ER : Even tho I havn't used TBIT as a passenger, I've used it to get some food in the general public area and in all honesty, I wasn't really impressed wi
185 777ER : Well HKG just became an even more attractive option for LHR services!
186 Post contains links LAXintl : I guess they put a press release out on it: Air New Zealand is to have a new home at Los Angeles International Airport. http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz
187 Post contains links CXB744 : Air New Zealand USA has posted this alternative to the proposed Livery revamp on Facebook by SK Hwang at Raydon Designs: http://www.cardatabase.net/mo
188 777ER : With regards to the lounge, will this be NZs own lounge with NZ themes used by the other star members or a star alliance lounge as the press release
189 aklrno : Thanks. You have spoiled my day. T2 is very convenient for me to get to WN in T1. TBIT is a much longer walk. I have never waited much more than 10 m
190 LAXintl : Unlikely at the moment as AC has membership interest in T-2. Also I'm not certain if the new TBIT will even have a domestic baggage arrival carousel.
191 haggis73 : From an email at work last week, FedEx are bringing in an MD11 this Sunday, 5th Aug, unsure of time at this stage. Judging by the email, it looks like
192 Post contains images ZKOJH : Interesting move to switch terminals, so if you travel on a VS flight out of LHR you now got to switch terminals good move? It looks like 2014 will be
193 koruman : So the LAX TBIT terminal change is yet another "enhancement" which will further damage the passenger experience. Good luck to Air NZ trying to keep do
194 mariner : I thought you didn't fly Air NZ anymore? mariner
195 deconz : now that would be wishful thinking!!!
196 NZ107 : Would be great if you could get a possible time - I'd love to see another MD11 in AKL. LH left us a long time ago!
197 Post contains links LAXintl : You'll still have the same customs/immigration problem there. As further info here is a press release from Star Alliance today. http://www.starallian
198 sunrisevalley : Interesting reason. Based on passenger aircraft typical belly cargo density and pallet loading, NZ have about 250t a week of capacity available each
199 ZKOJH : Hawaiian Airlines have released there times for the new AKL service for next year, this is what we have : HA445 HNL1425 – 2140+1AKL 763 135 HA446 AK
200 azjubilee : Service starts March 13 for southbound flights and the 14th for northbound. The schedule is as follows: HNL-AKL - 1345-2155 +1 M, W, F. AKL-HNL - 2355
201 aerorobnz : Yes it is indeed a regular service from September. Sunday afternoons, one flight a week.
202 Post contains links NZ107 : I presume the routing will be HNL-AKL-SYD in that case? Looking forward to it! http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/intern...451/Hawaiian-Airline-sets-NZ-fa
203 Post contains images aerorobnz : Not as much of a gap as the Aussie based fares. I guess they don't want to force NZ to stop flying the route instantly... More flights per week at go
204 aerokiwi : Maybe the livery change isn't as supported by the staff as NZ exec would have liked. I think this is better, but I still think going black is just a
205 Post contains images koruman : God no, I'm pragmatic now. If it suits me I fly Air NZ, if it doesn't I shop around. I now have status with three airlines, rather than one, and Air
206 cchan : I was on a NZ RAR-AKL flight a couple of days ago. Paid for a rather expensive B class ticket for Seat+Bag, and felt it was a rip off. I think one of
207 aerohottie : I like the bottom livery, but have the normal nose, and straighten the black tail rather than curving it and have the fern curved (like ferns are)...
208 Post contains images mariner : We often disagree, you and I, but I'm with you about the funeral black livery and the Bangladesh Biman colours. I never worked but what was wrong wit
209 gasman : Yes, we've never had a clear answer. I do remember someone suggesting some months ago that the pacific wave had been "difficult to maintain" which so
210 mariner : As I've said, I have no problem with shopping around. I do it all the time. I'm hard pressed to think of a time when I have taken two consecutive fli
211 aerorobnz : My understanding is that the decals were prematurely "corroding" certain engineering components on certain types and not others, and it was deemed du
212 Post contains images NZ107 : What a shame Boeing didn't just keep the templates and apply them to the 77Ws too!
213 gasman : I guess it comes down to some primeval concept of "loyalty", which releases some endorphins somewhere and, tied up with frequent flier benefits and a
214 Post contains images Kaiarahi : I've given up too - after 54 years. My first flight was the Coral Route in 1958. Maybe it's camouflage so they don't get recognized, given the Skytra
215 ZKSUJ : Would be a shame if they were downgraded
216 koruman : Why would it be a shame? Air NZ's marvellous staff have worked hard for years to create a top quality airline, an airline which many of us would go o
217 ZKSUJ : Thats why it would be a shame, front line staff who have and still do go the extra mile (They have for me in the past many times when I traveled as a
218 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Thread #118 (by 777ER Jul 31 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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